User talk:Gryffindor/Archive7

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Esperanza Fhlostan images
I just noticed they got deleted... that's really too bad, they were lovely and relaxing! Do you have any thoughts for a replacement image (for we certainly need one!). It would seem appropriate for you to pick it, since you had it up originally. -- Nataly a 02:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Austrian nobility
Hi Gryffindor;

How are you? I've been thinking, do you think it would be fine to now remove the extensive lists of names and maintain them at the articles entitled List of princes of Austria-Hungary, List of counts of Austria-Hungary, etc? I feel it would be much easier than maintaining an extremely long article. Charles 23:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Quick request
Hi Gryffindor;

Rather than me posting a requested move, could you move Princess Victoria of Hesse and the Rhine to Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine? All other princesses of Hesse (Darmstadt line) are at this designation. Thanks! Charles 02:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Gryffindor. I'll get on that. Oh, I don't know if this is of importance to you, but you may be interested in Talk:Meissen. There is an issue regarding the use of the eszett and ss when using the name of the city in English. I came across this from basic work with the pages of various Margraves of Meissen. Charles 21:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi again, Gryffindor. There is another Hessian royal that needs to be moved. Prince Alexander of Hesse-Darmstadt is supposed to be at Prince Alexander of Hesse and by Rhine. Many, many thanks. Charles 20:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Alexander was the son of Louis II, Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine. Wikipedia, for some reason, truncates the title of the Grand Duke to Hesse, but for the very most part, the princes and princesses are at Hesse and by Rhine. Hesse and by Rhine replaced Hesse-Darmstadt when the head of the "Darmstadt" line was elevated from Landgrave to Grand Duke. The name change reflected a consolidation of territory. It is unlike Bourbon-Parma in that Hesse was sovereign at the time and the full designations were used. The name change would bring continuity to the series of Hessian royals and reflect actual usage. As for Meissen, thank you for taking the time to comment back to me on that. Charles 16:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was determined at some point that there is no need to include "by Rhine" in the Grand Ducal title because there was only one Grand Duke of Hesse at any given time (unlike having two Grand Dukes of Mecklenburg at any given time). For princess and princesses though, there were various lines in the house of Hesse and common royal names were frequently used, so for the most part, the differencing names act as disambiguation. Charles 16:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Names
Hi, thanks for your information. My position is, that an article should have just one name and that it should be the English name in the English WP. I do not know what the English name is in this case, so I think it is better not to vote. This pair of names is not a good idea, I think. --Roland2 20:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

RFC
Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Arabic). I noticed that you previously contributed to the discussions on Arabic. thanks. Cuñado  -  Talk

Image Tags
I am trying to find a tag, not for an image, but for a clip. The "image" is actually a GIF, and so I'm not sure if a tag for "film screen-shot" is appropriate given that the "image" is not stationary. Are there tags for GIFs, or do I have to use the {film screen-shot}? Thank you. Bignole 12:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is a link to the image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:THCSandman.gif . I didn't create it myself, but there has been some concern about it. Right now it's licensed as a film screen-shot, under the reason that we are using it for the Spider-Man 3 page for a look at the CGI of Sandman. Any help would be great. Bignole 13:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Bignole

Queen Anne of Romania and Wied-Neuwied
The administrator who closed the poll posted about it on the admin noticeboard after I requested that he reconsider moving it. Maximilian zu Wied-Neuwied should be at Prince Maximilian of Wied-Neuwied. Charles 16:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved Maximilian's page... I don't like circumventing the process, but it is non-controversial so the other admins won't have to worry about it. I think citing convention is enough. Charles 21:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Maria Antonietta of Naples and Sicily
Maria Antonietta should be at Princess Maria Antonietta of Naples and Sicily. Up until 1816, after she died, her father was the King of Naples and Sicily. After he was King of the Two Sicilies. Charles 20:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Bot
I don't own one, and I have no idea where people got the idea from.-- §hanel  00:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma
Archduchess Marie Louise was Duchess of Parma in her own right, unlike Irene of Greece who married a member of a branch of the Royal House of Italy. Marie Louise's status as a sovereign (regardless of the degree) is higher than her naming as an archduchess of Austria (a non-ruling title). I would actually call on Irene to be renamed, preferably to Princess Irene of Greece and Denmark or less preferably Princess Irene, Duchess of Aosta. The status as consort is iffy... They are rarely referred to by royal titles. If so, Irene of Greece and Denmark would be sufficient. Charles 18:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology
The WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 17:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to join in
WikiProject Baronetcies - Kittybrewster 15:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Rollback edits
Gryffindor, you should not use the administrative rollback on edits whose content you are currently involved with. I would appreciate if you and Suppalucca stops edit warring till some sort of agreement could be reached on the terminology to be used for South Tyrol places. Regards, -- Asterion talk 21:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Apologies for any misunderstanding. Maybe the wording was not very successful but you have made significant edits indeed  in the last few hours, the last one including the use of the administrative revert button which I consider inappropriate. Regards,  Asterion talk 22:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Bozen-Bolzano
Excuse me, why putting the German version of the city website? We agree that Bolzano is in Italy, that the majority of the population is and speaks Italian, and that the English name is Bolzano. So, what are the reasons for choosing the German version, since there isn't an English version? I will not reedit that to avoid controversies, I hope you'll reconsider your revert.--Supparluca 11:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean, the German version alone is acceptable, but not the Italian version alone?--Supparluca 13:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course you didn't say that the Italian version is not as valid as the German one, since it was implied in your rollback. In my opinion, it is better to put just one version to don't waste space and because the two versions are exactly the same page, and of course this version should be the Italian one, for the (logical) reasons explained above and also because it's the same solution adopted for Aosta. However, I agree that your compromise is more acceptable than putting the German version alone.--Supparluca 08:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Copy?
Hi, Gryffindor! I love your decor and was wondering if I can borrow your Pax vobiscum dove, and maybe even your Talk template at the top of this page? They are so classy! Laura1822 19:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi Gryffindor;

Manuel de Sousa, a banned vandal, is editing pages as an anonymous user. Could you have him banned? Charles 18:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure thing, I understand completely. The behaviour matches identically so perhaps a sockpuppet tag would help best. Charles 21:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Gryff, have a good evening Charles 21:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Brixen
Hi Gryffindor, I moved Brixen-Bressanone to Brixen, Italy because Brixen was already taken by a dab. I don't think this one is particularly controversial: Brixen has a German-speaking majority (approx. 60%), and I saw nobody arguing for Bressanone on Talk:Communes of South Tyrol. I don't think it's necessary to restart the requested move circus for all separate articles, do you? Markussep 20:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I started this survey on 14 September, after a false start at Bozen-Bolzano on 10 September. I think most arguments have surfaced by now, and there was a clear majority for this solution, see the summary. I don't think waiting longer would have changed much. As for Bolzano and Merano: the Italian names are a lot more common in English (according to Google test), so that would be the better choice. For Bolzano, it's also the majority language. I don't see the big advantage of using double names in article titles, they're very confusing, especially in composite names (Natz-Schabs etc.). The minority names haven't gone, you know! BTW I'm not finished moving, I'm working my way down the alphabet (next in queue: St. Leonhard in Passeier). Markussep 21:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * From the WP:RM page: "Page moves usually take place after five days, or earlier at the discretion of an administrator. The time for discussion may be extended if a consensus has not emerged.". Anyway, my impression was that the discussion was completed. I understand that you're disappointed your suggestions didn't get more support. I agree that Merano violates the "C" scheme (by a very narrow margin), but the naming conventions are clear about using the name that the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize. I guess that goes above the population majority then, although the Google test was not extremely decisive (858k:326k). I wouldn't mind having a separate discussion about one or two towns (do I understand you correctly that you only have major objections against Merano?), but not for all 116. And let's consider other place names (rivers, valleys) in South Tyrol, like Rienz-Rienza, Eisack-Isarco, Vinschgau-Val Venosta. Markussep 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Markusse is my last name ;-). You're right about consensus for Brixen. I don't know why it wasn't moved, I posted a comment on Talk:Brixen, Italy, but didn't get a reaction. I'll let Mets501 know on his talk page. Markussep 17:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a very common name in some villages in Zeeland ;-). I'll definitely need help with moves, if I don't want to do it the cut and paste way. So please go ahead (unless Mets501 has a better idea). Markussep 17:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

First Warning
This is a first warning to you. The naming convention is being hijacked by POV to the German side and is not in consideration or following of the ACTUAL naming convention per many sources/references and the Italian government. YOU must be careful in following this convention. This should very easily resolve such a conflict that has existed for well over a year now, without a biased POV. To not do so is to either (1) abuse your rights under wiki or (2) ignore the actual truth in references. Your call. Rarelibra 21:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * So you are blind to the fact that such a POV is occurring? You want me to just go in my corner, sit there, shut up, and keep making maps? No problem, if you want - because this is the kind of thing that is so obvious to so many (even users who LIVE THERE) and yet, goes challenged by users such like you. You are destroying the spirit of Wikipedia. Sheesh. Try to contribute so much and yet get this kind of treatment, even in the light of such an obvious thing! Rarelibra 21:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner on South Tyrol. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars. Rarelibra 21:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

You are not acting in an impartial or nuetral way, especially when the history of this article has exposed it being changed from a proper naming convention to a naming convention of bias and POV that is detracting from the article's focus. The proper name, as per all relevant sources (incl. the UN, Italian government, CIA, etc) is "Trentino-Alto Adige" with "Sudtirol" (acc.) as the "alternate" name - properly referenced as per wiki rules (i.e. Trentino-Alto Adige (Sudtirol)). Same with "South Tyrol" - which does not exist in reference. The name of the province is "Bolzano" with "Bozen" as an alternate name (hence, Bolzano (Bozen) as per wiki rules to be proper and including alternate naming reference). So STOP with the "South Tyrol" bit, once and for all, please. Rarelibra 21:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Please ASSUME GOOD FAITH in regards to the edits, and be careful with threatening me on my talk page. I have cleaned up the edits and the talk pages were sustained across such. If you continue to harrass because of this, I WILL report you. Rarelibra 21:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

One question - why such a fuss with this whole "South Tyrol" thing and, yet, the Trento (Trient) article stays untouched? Rarelibra 21:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Gryffindor! If you get a chance, would you mind taking a look at some suggestions I made about article placement? Olessi 23:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Trentino-Alto Adige/Sudtirol
Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol is the name that art. 116 Italian Constitution give to the Region: Trentino-South Tyrol is an uncorrect translation because South Tyrol is the german name, not italian. If you wanna translate write:Trentino-High Adige/South Tyrol. Be careful: I'm not a vandal. I apologize my English.--Gp 1980 14:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He doesn't care, he has his POV set so far. He made the change on 25 Oct. 2005 afterall. :) Taalo 00:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Trentino-Alto Adige/2
I don't protest use of English language, I protest because to give the correct name to an Italian Region, Wiki English translates from German and not from Italian. Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol is bilingual official name: Trentino-High Adige/South Tyrol is the correct English version. Believe not?--Gp 1980 09:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppets?
I get the impression there may be some sockpuppets on stage. I find hard to believe someone's first edits would be to "vote" on an ongoing survey. Your thoughts? Asterion talk 20:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe WP:RfCU? Asterion talk 21:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Image
ok, Gryffndor - let's compromise - we'll leave the title as such, and leave the updated provinces as such, DEAL? That way you have your title of "South Tyrol" and the provinces have their correct titles Rarelibra 13:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I changed the name in Commons to "Trentino-Alto Adige-Südtirol provinces.png". This should suffice for all uses. Rarelibra 16:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Géza von Habsburg
Géza uses the surname von Habsburg in the same way that Otto uses it. I know this because Géza (with the acute accent over the 'e') summers in Newport, as I do occasionally. I assume he also used that name because his marriage is morganatic and his wife is only entitled to be called a Countess of Habsburg. Archduchess Walburga can be called Countess Walburga Douglas, Archduchess Walburga, Countess Douglas, or a number of other things. I prefer the inclusion of at least one of the titles. However, we should probably go with the most common name on this one. Charles 16:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not sure... I don't know if she is *the* Countess Douglas or *a* Countess Douglas... Until that is determined I don't think an oridinal is necessary. Charles 17:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Austro Daimler
Hi, dear wikipedian. I have done some fixes on the Austro Daimler article. I would like that you may tell me your opinion. Anytime. --AndresArce 19:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)AndresArce

Hi, dear TLOTR-maniac. It is done. With each uploading, I will ask all doubts to You. Stay nearby. Anytime. --AndresArce 20:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)AndresArce

Hi!
How are things with you? I was wondering if you could help me out. For a while I had my name on my user page, so it is therefore in the edit history. I wonder if it's possible to have this information deleted before this change. It would be greatly appreciated for the sake of my anonymity, especially when it comes to vandals with a vengeance! JHMM13 (T | C)  09:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm doing well. I'm probably about 50% coherent with the language of Italian, so I'm spending much of my time on that, all the while trying not to lose even more German. I'm sure the admins will deal with the request well. I'm just worried about people searching me out on my school's website or something and finding out how to contact me. Thanks a lot. JHMM13 (T | C) [[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|25px| ]] [[Image:Flag of Germany.svg|25px|  ]] 17:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Removing content from User talk pages
I've noticed that you sometimes warn users not to remove warning templates from user talk pages. What do you think about a situation where a user removes from his user talk page any comments from other users which he doesn't like (not something which could legitimately be considered at the level of personal attacks)? Noel S McFerran 10:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

My user talk page
It is very apparent that, for some reason, you are choosing to monitor me and/or continue to issue warnings against me. Because of the recent situation with the mediation of South Tyrol, I would have thought it best that you and I go back to positive, useful, contributing edits within the Wikipedia community. I can see now that you only wish to pursue things with me more and more. I am going to notify Lar of your involvement with me and hope that he chooses the right outcome regarding this. I only ask for you to continue on and that I continue on with positive edits and to 'let things be'. Trust me, this will not bode well if this continues the way you wish to. Thank you. Rarelibra 23:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Your wikistalking me
I added an Archive page - and did not remove any warnings. Looks like you failed to notice such. Rarelibra 15:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

And I am not accusing you of wiki-stalking, this is VERY REAL in your pursuit of me. Cease and desist your actions and MOVE ON to better things. NEITHER OF US NEED TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME THAN NECESSARY FOR THESE ANTICS. So BE DONE. Rarelibra 15:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Your warnings on Rarelibra's page
Leave Rarelibra's talkpage alone, please, and stop putting back anything he has removed. It's a common misconception that it's appropriate to try to force users to keep some kind of brand of shame on their pages. Please see "User space harassment" in Harassment, and several threads currently on WP:ANI, e. g. this and this. The templates about not removing warnings, and the block threats, are for anonymous vandals, not for cases like this. He has a right to remove anything he likes from his userpages. Bishonen | talk 13:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC).

Glad
No problem, it's good to be of assistance. - Nunh-huh 23:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)