User talk:Gtrmp/TV draft poll

Computer programs
British English conventionally uses computer program, not computer programme, though television programme is used. – Lee J Haywood 11:15, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The "laundry list" format is no good
I think a better format would be a to mimic Dealing with disruptive or antisocial editors/poll. The reason I say this is because the (now disputed) convention was written and, whether people agree or not, the pages have already been moved. I suggest this format. -- Netoholic 15:42, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Should Wikipedia adopt Naming conventions (television)?
 * A. Yes, it should be adopted.
 * B. Yes, but further discussion on some points is needed (specify)
 * C. No, but some points should be retained (specify)
 * D. No, all aspects of the written convention need to be re-discussed.


 * I disagree. The original poll was not given sufficient opportunity to give the draft naming convention legitimacy. A vote for (TV series) is basically a vote for "adopt the current revision of the policy". -Sean Curtin 22:01, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

TV series vs TV movie vs other TV shows, and some more cons
More cons: This touches on my objection to lumping TV series', TV movies, and the many other types of TV programming together. I think TV series and TV movie should be their own articles/categories (instead of redirs) broken out of television program, and all other types of television programming (and common information) be moved to television programming, so I would want to vote for either (television series), (television movie), or (television programming) as appropriate (or the abbreviated forms). Contrary to what television program says, to Americans, 'TV series' generally means multiple episodes, from first episode to last episode, regardless of how many episodes (although very short ones are sometimes called mini-series, but that, to me, is just a modifier of 'series'). Note that the recent USA Network's 5-episode 4400 was billed as a "series". 'Season' is usually just used as a form of measure within longer series. Also, even a series that is cancelled after only one episode is broadcast is still referred to as a series. I guess I also am requesting that the poll's description be more clear as to whether this only refers to TV series', as implied by the mention of Cat:TV series as a "pro" for tv series, or if it's for ALL programs appearing on TV, like the intro kinda implies. (If they all have to be lumped together, I think I'll probably vote for (television programming) to cover the lot.) Niteowlneils 01:12, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * (program) is a disamb page
 * (programme) is a redir to a disamb page
 * (programming) is a redir to computer programming
 * (series) is a disamb page
 * (show) is a disamb page

Disambiguator
Some episode/character/etc articles already use the name of the series as the disambiguator, e.g. Mirror, Mirror (Star Trek), The Gift (Dilbert), Phlox (Star Trek). Most of the ones I've seen are for Star Trek, and not all of them could use (television) as a disambiguator (e.g. Vulcan salute (Star Trek)) so perhaps that's the reason (Star Trek) is used throughout.

So perhaps (show/series/program name) could also be an option for disambiguation for articles that are "internal" to any given show/series/program. – Foolip 12:04, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there's a problem with articles about aspects of a series using the series name as the disambiguator; in the case of article titles like "The Gift", there are multiple TV shows that have had prominent episodes with that title, and so in cases like that more disambiguation than just "article (TV)" is needed. Also, the most prominent TV show with numerous related articles - Star Trek - isn't just limited to the realm of TV; articles using (Star Trek) in their titles could be referring to the films or novels, or other sources. The main question is what should be used for series names that themselves need disambiguation; I've reworded the poll to be clearer in this regard. -Sean Curtin 00:18, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

On rewrites
Please, don't delete large amounts of content without discussion! In particular, poll options that received votes in the initial poll should be present in the revised poll, regardless of whether or not you personally support those options. -Sean Curtin 00:57, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)


 * Hey, don't yell. What items were missing?   Why do almost a complete revert, I think the new separation and items was much clearer.  -- Netoholic @ 02:02, 2004 Sep 14 (UTC)


 * All of the options that didn't actually contain "TV" or "television" were removed. Not all of the options demand an alternate in the case of multiple-episode programs, although some definitely do, in which case options will need to be presented - but there's no reason to have the other options require the same vote to be cast twice. -Sean Curtin 05:12, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

The goal
I like the basic goal here. A few comments:
 * I am definitely for removing any mention of TV networks' names. Having "The Late Late Show (CBS)" makes no sense to anyone outside the US.
 * I don't like the disambig "TV Movie" - who ever remembers if something is a tv movie or not?
 * I don't like the idea of "series" - I don't think I would look for eg Seinfeld under Seinfeld (series).
 * When a show exists in several different countries, ie Current Affair (US) and Current Affair (Australia), I don't see what choice you have but to disambig in that way. Perhaps in that example Current Affair (TV show) should itself be a disambig page pointing to the different version.s Stevage 07:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)