User talk:Guerillero/Archives/2012/April

CfD
"In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus."

Therefore I'm notifying you of ongoing discussions at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 1, as I believe that you may be able to improve the quality of discussion on a topic in which you are interested. --RexxS (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates/Crucified Soldier
The nomination has been put on hold to verify that the colour edit is acceptable. As you voted but did not specify a preference, could you give further feedback? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:09, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Interview
Hi, my name is Pedro Rodriguez. I am a student at Michigan State University, working on an exploration of the Wikipedia adminship process under Jonathan Obar. You had previously showed interest in being a interviewee for our study. I can conduct the interview via Skype or email, whichever you prefer. I can be contacted at my email: [NO SPAM] to set up a time to Skype or, if you wish, to obtain your email to conduct the interview that way. Thank you for your participation in our study. SirGuybrush (talk)
 * Replied -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  23:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Those edits ...
... now suppressed, per policy. Thanks for revdel'ing :) - A l is o n  ❤ 18:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Alison. :) It slipped my mind to send you guys an email at oversight. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  18:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Enforcement re: Russavia and VolunteerMarek
Hi there, I just saw your comment at the Arb Enforcement page regarding Russavia and VolunteerMarek and am puzzled. You said regarding VM I presume: "IBans shouldn't be used to claim parts of the pedia and I feel that we would be perpetuating this idea" - but the situation is that Russavia started a DYK. That wasn't him "claiming" an area that VM was then forced to stay away from. It's not an article page, just a DYK - insignificant to most, but important to editors (like myself) that like to have their pages get seen by a wider audience. That VM went there on purpose to scupper the DYK shows bad intent on his part, not a natural urge to "improve WP" in an area he was naturally interested in. I fail to see therefore how your view that iBans lead to editors staking out their area of influence is related to this particular matter. Perhaps I've missed something though and you could enlighten me? For the record, over the last few years I've seen VM cause a lot of editors a lot of trouble on a lot of pages and I think he's due a slap on the wrist and may mend his ways following it. Thanks for your time. Malick78 (talk) 17:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You are seriously misreading VM's comment at DYK. Especially when the next editor to the page said exactly the same thing as him. It isn't like what he did was beyond the scope of reasonable activities. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  23:20, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

RM Arb case
Hi,

Just a quick point of clarification. Does this, WP:Arbitration_guide apply to this WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case? The evidence is actually a statement verging on the polemic and is approx. 1200 words. It will be WP:TLDR for a lot of people coming to this afresh and in what could be a technically complex case does not set the scene for those in the community not familiar with the respondent or with the background. If the 500 word limit does apply, even with leeway I don't think 1200 is within an acceptable tolerance. Leaky Caldron  10:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * While it is double the size of the evidence limit, the starting statement is not evidence. While conciseness is important, when the case is a dispute against you it is understandable that he would post so much. Its a bit late to force him to condense since the arbs have voted and I have started to open the case. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  18:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The evidence that counts is that which is submitted on the /Evidence subpage. The statement made when the request for arbitration is made is kept purely as an archive. --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 18:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks alex -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  19:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Leaky  Caldron  19:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Request (File mover rights)
I have read the wiki guide and have understood all rules and regulations so i want to move files which named wrong thanx Khan810 talkundefinedContributions 06:26, 8 April 2012
 * no -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  18:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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Recent edits on the Zoophilia article
Why I reverted some of the changes made today Zoophilia Talk page

Please add any opinions or comments. I don't want another edit war to start.

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DYK for Jackie Hudson
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Pomposo the Magnificent
Hi Guerillero.

For the current arbcom review case, having blocked this account as a sockpuppet, please could you please give an opinion whether this is a sockpuppet of Echigo mole or Mikemikev. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 21:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion on this matter. I was acting on the CU's direction in the SPI -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  16:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

MtC
Perhaps you could find some time to look at this? I think we need to find a solution. --MGA73 (talk) 20:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

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Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich Farmbrough/Evidence
I had been undecided as to whether to add evedience to this case or not and as someone not normally involved in arbcom cases I was a bit surprised to see this closed. At the top of the page it says evedience closes on 18 April 2012 and I took that to mean the end of the 18th rather the beginning and so thought I had today to decide whether to submit evidence or not. Now I realise I was making an assumption there but having ambiguous dates in the header like that is, I think, unhelpful and likely to cause confusion to those editors not used to dealing with arbcom as it did with me. Raising this with you first as you were the one to semi-protect the page and close the evedience stage but I suspect this is a wider problem. Dpmuk (talk) 05:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I read it as the evidence closes on the 18th. All involved here would like it to be a speedy case. If you would like to submit evidence, I will allow it. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  14:18, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Request
This edit split up my post by commenting between specific bullets. Could you ask that editor to refactor his comments so that my post remains exactly as I left it? I would do that refactoring myself on a normal talk page but in this case it seems better to let the original editor handle it.

Separately, and perhaps this should be answered first, is threaded discussion permitted on the workshop page instead of the talk page? This is not the only example of it. I was under the impression that, as in a parlimentary setting, all comments on the workshop page are directed at the arbs, not at the other editors who post there. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk)
 * I will think about your first request and I need to look up the answer to your second. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  17:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 21:32, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Blarg. My life has gotten so so so busy. The comments in the workshop have traditionally been allowed to be threaded. As for RF's replies to your statement, he seems to be doing it so often that it isn't worth the hassle putting everything in line-- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  15:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Great Wikipedia Exodus of 2012
A red link currently, eh? Perhaps would be a good essay. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It would. I just do not know what to write about. It could just be the people I work with, but I have seen the largest spike of people retiring since I have become very active in 2010. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  18:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, though a good deal of that is natural, both on Wikipedia and in any other group. It's important to separate typical contributor turn-over (due to changing priorities, regular burn-out, shifts in interests, less time and energy, etc.) from a larger-scale exodus.
 * As someone who's been around here (on the English Wikipedia) for quite a few years now, there have been a lot of great editors who I've seen come and go. (And sometimes I don't even notice they're gone until months after they've left!) I'm not quite convinced that there's been a particular uptick this year, but that's precisely why I think an essay might be great, if there's more content to substantiate the claim and get people thinking about ways to address the problem. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Seeing Giano, Bishonen, iridescent, CharlieEchoTango, and Fastily leave; MastCell, Malleus, and Sven getting close to the door; and SandyGeorgia giving up her position as a FA delegate makes me feel like there is a bigger movement than a normal year. Its only April. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  17:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, "leave."
 * I can't (or won't) really devote the time necessary to do proper research with diffs and such, but from what I remember:
 * Giano &mdash; Giano II, GiacomoReturned, Catherine de Burgh, Ka of Catherine de Burgh, et al.; it looks like the latest (known) account&mdash;GiacomoReturned&mdash;has gone inactive, but there's simply no way I'll believe Giano has left the project until I read a verified obit;
 * Bish &mdash; Bishzilla, Bishonen, et al.; inactive, but hardly gone (and it's hardly recent that she went inactive);
 * iridescent &mdash; you probably don't remember her grand departure (I believe curtains were involved), but she subsequently came back and went on to become an Arbitrator (as I remember the timeline); she's now apparently still somewhat active as iridescent 2; and, of course, none of this is particularly recent (certainly not confined to 2012);
 * CharlieEchoTango &mdash; seems to be a perennial pattern; without doing any real research, my guess is that he's a student of some kind and his workload increases as the semester wraps up; just a guess, though; and
 * Fastily &mdash; still apparently quite active at Commons; likely just taking a break from the English Wikipedia and will return at some point; the body has yet to cool, so it's difficult to judge too much at this stage.
 * Sven, Malleus, and MastCell are all addicted. I don't imagine any of them are going anywhere anytime soon. (Though Sven seems to have turned a bit toxic, so perhaps it's time for a break for him.)
 * This isn't to say that people never leave, it most certainly does happen. But the greater truth is that people quite often "leave." They usually return at a later date, under the same account or a different account, depending on the antics of their previous departure ("I've scrambled my password, changed my e-mail address, and kicked my cat, I'm outta here!"). It's hardly unique to this year or this project. I think there may be a bit of selection bias in your analysis of the site and any possible exodus. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 17:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * So you come to my page and harass me, continue to make comments after I ask you to leave me alone, and then decide that I'm the one being toxic? You have a weird set of delusions. It's people like you behaving like you do that drives people like me from the project.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  19:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're very dramatic lately and you seem rather hell-bent on creating some kind of feud between me and you. One doesn't exist, but you've been trying to rally people around the idea that it does. I'm not sure why this is.
 * As I said, I think you need to take at least a break from the project, based on my observations of your behavior. But that's ultimately your call. :-) From what I've seen, people who don't take breaks have a much higher likelihood of burning out completely. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Right on
. I'd give you a barnstar, but you already have two right above this section and we don't want you feeling too good about yourself--there's a policy for that, somewhere. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Drmies.It is very easy to give out awards and praise for reverting  from someones userpage. It isn't as easy for most of the other tasks that need to be done: clerking, writing, gnoming, fixing, etc. That is just life. The greatest award I could get is seeing that nearly 6 thousand people decided that the article that I wrote, Jackie Hudson, was interesting enough to read and edit. As for the star: to each their own. Both of the starts above are left over from a drive I worked on 3 months ago. (I can't play any musical instruments. Sorry) -- Guerillero  &#124;  My Talk  16:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
For your response at WP:PERM   Mlpearc  (powwow ) 19:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

McMaster University Articles
Hey Guerillero,

I just wanted to tell you that we have just finished evaluating the articles. I was just wondering if wasn't too much trouble, to maybe edit the article and provide your input. Unfortunately, one of the articles still has some problems, so here is the other article. Thanks a lot for your time.

Ongjf (talk) 00:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merci. I will try to get there ASAP -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  16:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)