User talk:Gunkarta/Archive 05

Indonesian dishes
Hello, Pak Gunkarta. I think you have many contributions to Indonesian related articles especially Indonesian dishes. I am interested in improving some articles but I'm troubled when it comes to search the reference. Do you know any books or good websites about Indonesian dishes? Regards. MRFazry (talk ) 15:06, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Indonesian martial arts
Just wanted to mention that I am so glad you created an article for Indonesian martial arts. Too often, Indonesia's martial heritage is seen as silat and nothing else. We really needed an article which includes all the fighting styles found throughout the country. I'll get to work on putting those into the article shortly. Cheers. Morinae (talk) 17:23, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Alcohol in Indonesia
Hi, thanks for your contribution to Alcohol in Indonesia. You added "History" section with "no sources" attached to it. Kindly add sources to your addition or it will get removed. I have just created that article, I will quick search for sources but I will not go deep into it. Article is nominated and approved in WP:DYK and may feature on main page of Wikipedia, so any unsourced addition will be removed, so please provide citations within some time or I will remove it if I don't find citations in my quick search. Thank you. -- Human 3015   TALK   06:54, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done adding refs, you're welcome. Cheers!  Gunkarta  talk 08:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your work on Alcohol in Indonesia. I have added your name as author of article on Template:Did you know nominations/Alcohol in Indonesia. Hope our article will feature on main page. Cheers. . -- Human 3015   TALK    10:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's great! thank you for your efforts and interest on Indonesian matters. Greatly appreciated... .  Gunkarta  talk 16:20, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, please nominate Aviation in Indonesia for DYK as soon as possible, its been already late for nomination, if you delay further then they will not accept it. Regards. -- Human 3015   TALK   20:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Martial arts template
It seemed silly to have both Indochina and Indonesian in the same line - but I must admit that I mis-read Indochina as Indonesian and thought it had been posted twice. The general rule is that articles must be C-class and up which Indochina is not but I have also just promoted the Indonesian to C. It is not necessary to have all country specific martial arts listed in the template. If we keep Indonesia (which I am not against) we need to delete Indochina.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:52, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I see.., thank you for your confirmation and thank you on promoting Indonesian martial arts to c class. I do hope Indonesian martial would stay in the template. Greatly appreciated.  Gunkarta  talk 11:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

November 2015
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Indonesia–Malaysia relations. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. JQTriple7 (talk) 07:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * Regarding this edit summary - a reminder that IPs are not second-class editors and there is no requirement to register to edit or be heard. --Neil N  talk to me 13:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Alcohol in Indonesia
Credit added per this edit to the nomination template and subsequent request of the article's nominator. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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DYK Aviation in Indonesia
Hello! Your submission of Aviation in Indonesia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 4meter4 (talk) 06:57, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see new note on your nomination. Yoninah (talk) 22:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Seriously

 * Thank you...  Gunkarta  talk 06:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Aviation in Indonesia
Hi Gunkarta, can you add references to Aviation in Indonesia? Each para should have at least one reference, I am currently busy, also I am not finding much sources. You may find it in Indonesian language and other Indonesian newspapers that you know. If you add references to each para then it will feature on main page. So please be quick. You create nice articles but you don't add much references to your work. You should add reference to each claim in article at the end of sentence. I think you should be quick on Aviation in Indonesia, otherwise this DYK nomination will get closed. I can prepare article Aviation in Indonesia for DYK within half hour, I just have to remove all unsourced matter and still sourced matter more than 1500 characters remains. But instead of removing things that you wrote it will be better to add sources for them. -- Human 3015   TALK   07:31, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

maaf
perlahan lahan, kalau saya coba ingat dalam bhs indonesia, sedikit pulang ke kepala saya, terlalu lama di luar dari Jawa. Tetapi kalau saya coba menulis dalam inggeris, terlalu banyak lupa. When I try to edit article about Indonesia in english, there are many many small bits. I am sorry I am unable to concentrate to go through it all in one edit, I need to come and go from it. Be v careful about WP:COPYVIO and WP:CITE - the more WP:RS the better!!! JarrahTree 13:59, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Aviation in Indonesia
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DYK
Hello! Your submission of Aviation in Indonesia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! North America1000 09:57, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello Gunkarta: Enjoy the holiday season and upcoming winter solstice, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, North America1000 19:53, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


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DYK for Aviation in Indonesia
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
thank you for helping me with the discription i really appreaciate it nice greetings (King Muh) :-)

King muh (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2015 (UTC) 

Suman (food)
Hello, seem you have many contributions to Indonesian related articles especially Indonesian foods. I think you are the right person for me to get an opinions. In the Philippines, we have dishes named Suman (food). So I want to ask about our Suman (food) is adopted or variation from Indonesians Lontong? I hope you can contribute in Suman (food) article. Greetings from Philippines.

Magbantay (talk) 17:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, mabuhayǃ thank you for your interest on our common cuisine. I think Suman is more similar or closely related to Indonesian lepet than lontong. I don't know weather the suman was adopted from lontong or not. But I think they are a common Austronesian rice cake, and probably suman is related to lepet.  Gunkarta  talk 08:09, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Agriculture in Indonesia
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 * Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Again,food fight
Hi,actually i don't want food fighting anymore. Tell me,what can make you satisfy? Re-structure Singaporean cuisine by remove some Indonesian food? If i make it for you,please don't involve anymore in editing Singaporean food unless if it related to Indonesian food. I think it's fair enough. Let bygones be bygones. Now i try to construct all the food in Singapore cuisine. Many more foods that's created in Singapore. But, i try to avoid put in conflict dishes into Singaporean Cuisine section. Anyway,thank you because remind me for that's thing. Just what said,i try to minimize conflict dishes among neighboring countries,Indonesia and Malaysia.Lee788 (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, this is not a food fight. Just want to make things clear about what makes a dish Singaporean cuisine. And you do not have a right to barred and exclude me from participating in editing Singaporean food article. Let's discuss this matter in talkpage of related issues.  Gunkarta  talk 05:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Who is Pleyte? Sanghyang Tapak inscription
Hello, do you know who Pleyte is (full name)? The Wiki article Sanghyang Tapak inscription says "The contents of the first three inscriptions (according Pleyte)" 64.134.64.190 (talk) 08:54, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Cornelis Marinus Pleyte (24 June 1863, Leiden – 22 July 1917, Batavia), a Dutch archaeologist. In 1915-1917 he taught history and ethnology at the Administration School in Batavia and worked as a curator at the Royal Batavian Society of Arts and Sciences (now the National Museum of Indonesia in Jakarta).  Gunkarta  talk 12:01, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Inaccurate Image
This is inaccurate. Mahayana developed in South India. There are numerous sources that say this.VictoriaGraysonTalk 20:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input and information. After careful reading I think you're right, I'll corrected the map right away. Cheers...  Gunkarta  talk 10:49, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Invitation
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Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter – March 2016
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Copying within Wikipedia requires proper attribution
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from History of beer into Beer in Asia. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted copied template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 00:53, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. Thank you for reminding me, I'll do that in the future.  Gunkarta  talk 02:59, 23 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I see you are still not adding the required attribution, as required under the terms of the CC-by-SA license. Please have a look at as an example of how it is done. Please let me know if you still don't understand what to do or why we have to do it. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Understood, thank you....  Gunkarta  talk 21:44, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

sarawak laksa
Hi there, My recent addition to sarawak laksa has been remedied to remove any promotional means. Sarawak Laksa is indeed cooked by using Sarawak Laksa paste and this paste (difficult to prepare due to wide range of ingredients) is readily available throughout Sarawak. Appreciate any feedback thanksSarawaklaksa (talk) 08:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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GA review for Aviation in Indonesia
Hello! I'm not sure why the bot didn't inform you, but I've started the GA review process for Aviation in Indonesia. It's very close to GA quality but needs a few minor fixes. My initial comments are at Talk:Aviation in Indonesia/GA1. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Satay images
Instead of reducing the amount of images in the article, you could also introduce galleries per section such as in Glutinous rice. - Takeaway (talk) 12:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion, I'll do that.  Gunkarta  talk 12:08, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers! - Takeaway (talk) 12:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

April 2016
Your additions to Demographics of Indonesia and Indonesia have been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. — Diannaa (talk) 17:11, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, sometimes I have problems on distinguishing the boundaries between direct quoting and text copyvio. I'll try to write it in my own words and using it just as a reference. Thank you.  Gunkarta  talk 21:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Bandung
There are many Chinese people in Bandung. Just as Sundanese, Chinese is considered a native language by several Chinese-speaking people in Bandung. Therefore, I believe that Chinese transcription in the article is also needed. Moreover, if Dutch is not a native language, why are you not deleting the Dutch translation? Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 06:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Bandung
There are many Chinese people in Bandung. Just as Sundanese, Chinese is considered a native language by several Chinese-speaking people in Bandung. Therefore, I believe that Chinese transcription in the article is also needed. Moreover, if Dutch is not a native language, why are you not deleting the Dutch translation? Thank you. Calvin Wisanto (talk) 06:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for your additions to Template:Street food. I have added the new entries you added to the new List of street foods article I created the other day. Cheers, North America1000 06:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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Demak Sultanate
Would you please quote your sources?Xx236 (talk) 06:45, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

July 2016
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without verifying permission. You have been previously warned that this is against policy, but have persisted.

Please take this opportunity to be sure you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. — Diannaa (talk) 20:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Very sorry that you are blocked
I know you mainly from food-related articles. You will be sorely missed. In my opinion, an indefinite block is too harsh for someone who has done so much good for Wikipedia but apparently, admins take copyright infringements very seriously, even when you have done so many other things that can only be viewed as commendable. - Takeaway (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support and your kind words Takeaway.... Currently I feel really bad. if this is really the end of my contribution to wikipedia, after fruitful and exciting 9 years. It was a privilege, and it has been really fun collaborating, contributing and editing food-related article with you. Thank you....  Gunkarta  talk 04:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope that everything will turn out okay now. See it as a holiday. And you can still contribute to Commons in the meantime. - Takeaway (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Please also make sure in future to mention in the edit summary from which article of Wikipedia you copied text to place into an another article. Cheers! - Takeaway (talk) 14:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Got it.., thank you so much... Cheersǃ  Gunkarta  talk 17:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Unblock appeal

 * I'm inclined to think that an indefinite block for a user who's never been blocked before and has been on the wiki as long as they have might be excessive. I don't want to unilaterally overturn the original admin's decision, so I'll ping . Copyright violations are immensely serious and a preventive step is necessary, though I'm not yet convinced this editor is so beyond saving they must be indef blocked. Would you be opposed if I adjusted the block to one month, to give time for the editor to learn about the policy. At that point, if there's further abuse, I would support an indef block. Thoughts? -- Lord Roem ~ (talk) 07:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The reason we started using indef block is because if we do it that way the editor cannot resume editing until they provide us with a clear statement that demonstrates that they have read and understand our copyright policy and intend to follow it in the future. There's been many people who simply resume what they were doing, to the detriment of the encyclopedia. Copyright is a very serious issue on this wiki and this is one of the ways we are trying to control it. Sorry if that seems harsh. — Diannaa (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the response. I absolutely understand where you're coming from and I completely agree about the seriousness of the issue. This is/was just one of those times where I was on the fence. I would strongly advise the editor to brush up on the policy; no further excuses for any blatant copyvios. If you have any doubts, err on the safe side. You can always contact Diannaa, me, or another admin if you have questions on this subject. Wishing everyone the best, Lord Roem ~ (talk) 14:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Dianaa for your trust in me by unblocking my account; I will be really careful on copyrights issue from now on. And thank you Lord Roem, and fellow contributors in Food and Drink and Indonesia project for your support and kind words; Takeaway and Jarrah Tree, you guys are the best... Terima kasih banyak...  Gunkarta  talk 17:04, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments re this user
As a regular and consistent contributor to the Indonesian project, Gunkarta is probably one of the last remaining regular native speaking Indonesia editors that the project has with a broad interest and capacity to ed it and work in the full range of Indonesian topics.

I do not think from my 10 years of editing in Indonesian subject areas has there been another editor like Gunkarta in being able to sustain a positive attitude to editing through thick and thin. We have had many short term editors who have been and gone, but Gunkarta has remained regardless of the weather, so to speak.

- the Indonesian project on wp en has had a very difficult time in sustaining in-country native speakers who last more than a foray into bad english and lists of things, this editor has, by all standards raised the standards of articles and material more than most non-Indonesian editors who have ventured into working on the project. To take any one aspect of an editors behaviour as the simple device to indef block, I believe that the risk taken in simply focusing on one aspect is of considerable damage to the Indonesian project on the basis of a limted view.

Maybe projects per se are passe (the level of maintenance on some is pitiful) in some editors minds, but for others, long standing commitment and endurance to projects imho should account for more than a lockout as this particular action entails.

If it were up to the project to determine an editors status, I do not think that someone with such dedication and long term benefit to the project and wikipedia would achieve the current status. I can think of some particularly destructive and very damaging editors who have wreaked havoc unrepentantly upon wikipedia who have been given less stringent sanctions. JarrahTree 07:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

To the editors/admins who have reviewed the case above, a gracias, terimah kasih, shukran - or simply thank you on behalf of the Indonesian project, and it is hoped that the issue is something in the past. JarrahTree 14:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you soo much JarrahTree for your supports and kind words. Terima kasih saya setulusnya dan sebesar-besarnya kepada Anda...  Gunkarta  talk 17:10, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Betawi people
I have paraphrased and removed some of the content you added to the above article, as it was copied directly from the source web page http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/06/24/betawi-house-hunt.html. Please have a close look at so that you can improve your editing and not get blocked again. — Diannaa (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Got it, thank you...  Gunkarta  talk 16:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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Ukondafu Kazufusa
Hello Gunkarta. An editor has changed the subject's name used within Ukondafu Kazufusa to "Ukondayu". The majority of book sources do seem to support this spelling, so as you created the article about a year ago could I ask if you think the page title should be changed Noyster (talk),  00:08, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your notification Noyster, I think you're right, I've moved the page to Ukondayu Kazufusa, cheers.  Gunkarta  talk 15:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

File:Mataram Sultanate in Sultan Agung Reign.svg
Hi, Pak Gunkarta. Just wondering, might you be interested in adding another version of File:Mataram Sultanate in Sultan Agung Reign.svg, in which the pre-1617 territories and the territories conquered by Sultan Agung have the same color? That way, we can use the map to talk about Mataram territories in general without being in context of Sultan Agung's conquest. For example, we can use it to say, "This is the territories inherited by Amangkurat I", because in this context it doesn't make sense to distinguish which one is pre- or post-1617. Similar to, for example, how File:Banten Sultanate en.svg can be used. What do you think? Thanks! HaEr48 (talk) 23:19, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, what do you think? HaEr48 (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm too lazy to change the map and not interested to change it for the moment. The map was meant to demonstrate Sultan Agung conquest and to distinguished the "true" Mataram area of Javanese heartland (dark orange) which was Mataram with the remnant of Pajang and Demak also Banyumasan (or in Indonesian called "Kawasan berbudaya Mataraman"), in contrast to other distinct areas (culturally and ethnically), such as Priangan, Cirebon, Surabaya, Malang and Madura, which was colonized areas ("daerah jajahan").  Gunkarta  talk 21:39, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation, and understood that you're not keen on taking extra work for another version of the map. I'm looking for a better map to use in Trunajaya_rebellion, which I am nominating as GA, do you know of a more appropriate map? Otherwise probably it's time for me to learn some SVG editing, hehehe. HaEr48 (talk) 22:11, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

History of Southeast Asia
Hi! Thank you very much for your cooperation. As you might have noticed, i have recently made a lot of edits. I am aware, that i might also have removed some of your edits - sorry for that, but i think that many sections in the article were too prosaic and of little or no relevance, unnecessarily detailed and mostly un-referenced. I know, the article is a very complex and difficult subject. Still, we have to focus on the essential facts and maintain consistency. However, i love to work in a team and highly appreciate and look forward to your future contributions. Please don't be offended, when i improve the style of your edits. Contact me, when you have ideas, questions and critique. Let's be constructive. All the best Wikirictor 07:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem Wikirictor, I understand that it is better to be direct, short and concise, especially in wide-ranged subject like the History of Southeast Asia. I think you're doing a great work on this article. Keep up the good workǃ Cheers.  Gunkarta  talk 08:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, mate! As i said earlier, i'd love to work together and hope you keep stuff coming. I think you have lots of knowledge. BTW, i really like your maps at Commons - very aesthetic. All the best <font color="#303030">Wikirictor 08:31, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Pork
Why delete when you could have marked "unreferenced"? Cobanyastigi (talk) 15:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Why don't you try to find some source/reference to support your edit and try again. Your edit is bordering speculation and sounds like original research.  Gunkarta  talk 16:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Srivijaya
Hi! I'm not a frequent Wikipedia person, so this is just to tell you that I'm making use of your nice Srivijayan Empire graphic at a talk I'm giving in Singapore. I will be attributing that graphic in the notes pages. Thanks for your good work! Brythain (talk) 05:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, glad to be of service. I hope you don't mind I've moved your comment from my user page to my talk page. ː) Cheers..ǃ  Gunkarta  talk 12:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)