User talk:Gunmetal Angel/Archive 5

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!
Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. My name is Claudi Balaguer (User Capsot from the Catalan Wikipedia and Occitan Wikiccionari), I've just read your profile and saw that you like music which is so important a vector of communication between cultures and people so maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm a member of a Catalan association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to this moment because Catalan is not supported by a state even though our Association is working real hard. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. By the way, the picture on your userpage is really great! Thanks again, I wish you a very nice, warm and pleasant summer, take care! Capsot (talk) 10:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

The Word Alive
I'm going to be editing your new sandbox article as much as i can, but i was wondering: since their EP charted, shouldn't that have at least saved it from a speedy deletion? Just wondering. -- ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  13:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * EPs aren't as notable as albums. Back in the day (like 2007 if I'm not mistaken) Hollywood Undead got deleted several times, even protected from being created because they didn't release their debut full-length yet. • GunMetal Angel  14:05, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

SS
Are u referring to Suicide Silence EP featuring Rick Ash on guitar? If so, he did play on that EP. Purchase it - he played on it. He's credited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SkeletalStrong (talk • contribs) 19:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Zombie EP
Could you kindly point me in the direction of an EP that has "EP" on the cover art and immediately following the title, but only so it won't confuse people between an EP and a full length? If not for confusion, decoration perhaps? If a band puts "EP" on the cover in the title, then it's part of the title. This can be seen on: Left Coast Punk EP, All Hallow's E.P., Oblivion EP, The Open Door EP, The Summer EP, The Seaside EP, Summer EP (Hawk Nelson EP), 21?! EP, Closer EP, This Time of Year EP, The Kane Mutiny EP, Jonah Hex: Revenge Gets Ugly EP, The Black Rose EP, Feel Like Hell EP, Flathead EP, The Frequency E.P., Let's Talk About It EP, Ole Black 'n' Blue Eyes EP, Monster EP, The Crown Jewels EP, Fuck the War EP, The Everglow EP, The Blinding EP, Hold That Sound EP, Photographs EP and the list goes on and on and on. And if we are to hang on the almighty word of Allmusic, then the article for the upcoming split album by Isis should probably be titled Melvins/Isis (Split CD) because that's what the source says. Despite the fact that the album was never pressed on CD. Fezmar9 (talk) 07:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Does it mean this much to you? And I'm not trying to upset you, bro, you're a cool guy. It's just this information leaked before Allmusic, it was specifically titled "Zombie" without the "EP". And I gurantee by the time it finds it's way into Revolver and Alternative Press in the next issues it will also be called "Zombie". So can we cool off on this until some more sources suround what it's titled? We'll move the page if it's goes as far as what you're saying. Deal? • GunMetal Angel  07:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're a pretty experienced Wikipedia editor, so the proper titling of articles should mean something to you. I am sorry I went off on you a little bit, but I found your edit summary to be a tad insulting. I am rather familiar with editing and albums and I know that sometimes sources will refer to a release as an EP, even when it's not part of the title. But when it's on the cover art for the album, then that is the title. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No offense taken from you, and I didn't mean any offense from my edit summary. It was simply made to set my point. Go 'head; move the page. I'll be busy fixing up The Used for the next five minutes and then probably go for a walk. (= • GunMetal Angel  15:23, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, but before I do anything it's interesting to note that the article was recently vandalized. It looks like has only edited bands signed to Warner Bros. Records, or it's subsidiary labels, and  was tagged as being registered to Warner Music Group. Perhaps the label is not happy that this article was created prior to their grand announcement? Would you be against redirecting it to The Devil Wears Prada until the official announcement? Also, if you want to work on The Used and related articles, you should know that it has been plagued by User:USEDfan who has pretty much destroyed anything Used related since May 2008. Most of the editors that have been editing the article since then have given up. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Errrm, no. It could just be a Warner Bros. represenative's son that couldv'e done that. We don't have solid proof if anyone at the label is unhappy, and even if they were they don't have to be assholes and vandalize the article, they can contact WP administrators or post something on the talk page for TDWP, so let's not assume something that I'm pretty sure isn't even real (although, I'm not pointing a finger at you, because 'anything is possible). Now as for USEDfan, what do you mean by plagued? Well I fixed-up a lot of the article so it's looking good now from the building to the street-view. But whatever you mean by "plagued" I'm guessing that's probably the reason why the article isn't one of the first Google search results when you do a search for the band. • GunMetal Angel  16:02, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * By plagued I mean USEDfan had the mentality and English language skill level of an American nine year old girl and has rewritten most of the article in his sad attempt of "improving" the article. Since his ban, he has created countless socks and used multiple computers (avoiding an IP ban) to continue editing. I don't actually recall a single edit of his being a useful contribution. A lot of editors just gave up and many of his edits remained live. Over time, various editors or IPs would notice horrible grammatical errors and terrible spelling and have improved the article some. So, the article may not seem that bad as of right now. But there was a time that the article had clear and defined paragraphs of information, now it's just a clump of words. He will be back (probably around the time more information is announced about their upcoming album) and he probably will undo any of your real contributions. He has a seriously unhealthy attraction to the band. He kept giving bizarre reasons for why only he should be allowed to edit The Used, and no one else should. One of which was that his backpack was on The Used's myspace, therefore he is the ultimate fan, and therefore only he should be allowed to edit the article. Curious, I went to check out said backpack, and sure enough, there was a picture comment that said "that's my backpack!" And what I thought was seriously a nine year old girl turned out to be a 22 year old male college student. That was the point I realized all hope for The Used is lost, and have since given up. The end. I wish you luck. Fezmar9 (talk) 16:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hahaaa. Oh you know he'll definately need another banning after the next album comes around, not only due to vandalizm but due to extreme ownership. — I just got my fix on the Used for the first time in a while last week by purchasing Berth and I even remember the first time I ever listened to them was several years back in middle school my friend lended me a disc in consderation of me checking them out and I even fell asleep to it. Ahahaa, good times. But this user sounds like he may be victim to ADHD or some other issue and most importantly; you don't have to go gay for a band. As for the TiDWoP issue, aparently I'm getting some cred from a representative at Ferret (see below) and Prada wants their fans to be informed all at the same time (next week) so he removed the info that was needed to be and we could restore it on Sunday. I have no choice but to let this go upon me being as big as a fan for TDWP as USEDfan is for The Used. Just kidding!… But I'm a certainly a fan, ahahaaa. • GunMetal Angel  16:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it really doesn't matter what policy he violates at this point, if he creates a new account will get blocked on immediately by way of the duck test. As long as someone catches him and reports him. And as an added bonus, if it's obviously a sock puppet, his revisions may be reverted without further question per WP:BAN. Also, I really wouldn't question whether or not that's a Ferret rep. I'm certain that it is. AbsolutePunk posted the cover art this morning, but it has since been removed. Allmusic gets their information directly from physical CDs, usually the same promotional releases that reviewers are given, so they were likely just doing their job completely unaware of the countdown. Because Allmusic information is pretty much the basis of all music websites, they like to get that out ASAP. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for sharing. And one more thing about The Used. I fixed-up two sections today, reworded their horrible sentence structures. There's about five more sections. I'll probably do one a day, or whenever when my head decides to work and begins to craft-up fancy words. Maybe you could help? • GunMetal Angel  18:32, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Prada's Zombie
hey man, I'm from Ferret Music, can you please not repost the Prada artwork and track listing until next week? the band has a countdown and it's super important to them to be able to reveal it to all their fans at the same time. We would appreciate and hope that as a fan you can respect that! thanks - Ferret  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferretmusicnj (talk • contribs) 16:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

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Vandal
Hi! Left you a message on my talk page. And thanks. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. • GunMetal Angel  23:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

The Black Dahlia Murder (band)
Hey there. I declined to protect The Black Dahlia Murder (band). There's only a few random edits here and there, but not enough issues to warrant a protection. I did however put up a pending request on the page for a week. If the issues come back, we can always go from there. Just figured I'd give you the heads up. Keep up the great work! Jmlk 1  7  07:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

TDWP
Just following your earlier request per this edit, actually rejecting an IP edit that was unsourced and failed to follow the Wikipedia advice to explain that edit. Guess times have changed. Yes, I am in fact nuts. Despite this, I'll try to keep out of this particular genre smackdown. Dl2000 (talk) 03:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Times haven't changed, he was just reverting vandalism. • GunMetal Angel  04:49, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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Option Paralysis
Subject lines are inappropriate places for discussions, so I am talking what you wrote here from Option Paralysis and bringing it here. First of all, something written funny is not a reason to remove it. This is Wikipedia, try to improve upon it first. And how do you propose one would write "All lyrics written by Gregory John Puciato except "Parasitic Twins" by Jeff Tuttle, all music composed by Ben Weinman" better anyways? Second, there is generally very little reason to ever remove a source. A bonus track limited to one edition is something someone might not inherently know. I think the rest of the bonus tracks should require sources, but that many citation needed tags would look very cluttered. Third, after being absolutely sick of editors misinterpreting WP:ELNO, I opened up a few discussions. I invite you to read Talk:Meridional (album) and then WT:ALBUM. Fezmar9 (talk) 22:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You already described this to me numerous times, I get the point of the MySpace link; but with it displayed onto that article seemed out-of-place, but nevermind that now. And as far as the listing for writing credits goes I was mostly concerning that the writing credits can attach right onto the track-listing box, it seemed sort of janky if not inappropriate oherwise; but it's okay. Upon my good faith to you for most of Wikipedia's metalcore articles, I'll let you have it your way again. • GunMetal Angel  22:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This has absolutely nothing to do with having it "my way." You are the one that misinterpreted WP:ELNO, which is Wikipedia's way. Did you have any intentions of restoring the credits using the track listing template fields? If not, then deliberate removal valuable information to an article would be seen as vandalism, which is Wikipedia's way. Bonus tracks should require verification, which is again Wikipedia's way. Some of your edits just make no sense to me. And furthering the confusion, your edit summaries are always blank when we seem to butt heads. Including your edit that is causing friction here and now. All I saw was a lot of changes that didn't match up with my understanding of Wikipedia guidelines, and all this with no explanation. I am not deliberately seeking out your edits and reverting them just to get it "my way." Fezmar9 (talk) 22:26, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do you seem so insulted? And if anything my edits that are left with blank edit summaries I could of sworn would simply come off as simply common sense why they were made. There's a lot more confusing edits I've seen with blank edit descriptions then simply removing a few uneeded sentences. And "have it your way" was more than just it coming off as "have it your way", nor was I refering to Burger King either. It revolves around me ensuring that I know what you're doing. Will you stop getting so grumpy now? • GunMetal Angel  22:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My apologies. It may not be your intention, but the way you write sometimes has a negative tone to it. I honestly didn't know another way to interpret, "I'll let you have it your way again." Fezmar9 (talk) 23:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I guess, or today I'm just as ballsy as I am shy. I wouldn't be that way to you, I've treated you upon the same qualities as a friend for nearly my whole stay on this website. • GunMetal Angel  23:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Use of rollback
We've spoken about this before. Please only use rollback for edits that are unquestionably vandalism.These edits, for example, wasn't vandalism. There are many edits that are unhelpful, but aren't vandalism and you should use another method of reverting those or I believe there's a script that allows you to provide an edit summary with rollback. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * For the Coldplay article, I hit "rollback" on accident, I meant to hit "undo" and then add a description. I'm sorry. As for the talk page for BFMV, altering comments from other people's discussion kind of is vandalism, don't ya think? I mean guidelines states that it has a major thing against it. • GunMetal Angel  19:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it looked like good faith to me. It would have been better to undo and point them to WP:TPO in your edit summary. Anyway, just be careful my friend. I wouldn't want to see you get yourself into hot water over something so trivial. Personally, i don;t like the policy, but I understand the reasons for it. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

3 Libras (song) → 3 Libras
Hello, I have reverted your attempt to copy-paste move the subject article. "Moving" an article by copying its text and pasting it into another article causes the page history to be broken up and violates GFDL. I have been bitten by this in the past. If you want the article moved and cannot do it yourself, please list it at WP:RM. Thanks! &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 17:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Rollback
Excuse me, why you wheeled my remark in your discussion? I just asked you to substantiate your rollback, no more Mistery Spectre (talk) 08:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a revert, not a "rollback", rollback is a feature. Furthermore I removed it because this notice just didn't seem important to me, plus I'm in sort of a cranky mood. Sorry. • GunMetal Angel  10:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Gun
Quit warning. Any sourced genre can be put there. And you are no one to give me warnings. All the edits done for improving an article are good faith edits. And if I accepted your talk last time, it was nice of me. Because what I put there is completely sourced. Again: quit warning. Solino the Wolf   09:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sourced before. Metal observer, Heavymetal.about, pyromusic.net and found this one just now: http://www.apeshit.org/reviews/between-the-buried-and-me-the-great-misdirect/ . Anyways I don't like fighting with you again and again. I feel you don't like progressive death to be there (NPOV?). So if you are ok with progressive death to be there tell me (enough source?), if not, it's ok. Solino  the Wolf   09:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

As I Lay Dying
In respect, there are not too many refferences to Tim's Christian faith so this one from The Full Armor of God Broadcast an known syndicated in the Christian Metal scene. Please do not remove. TY Armorbearer777 (talk) 03:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the way that you re-wrote the edit to enclude the link for the Full Armor of God Broadcast. I would like to see the name of the show mentioned, as I do feel that it is a notable show (if only within the Christian Metal scene). However, as this article has suffered so much vandalisim in the past, I am content not to push the issue. Thank you, I appreciate your input and can see why you have been able to make so many successful edits on Wiki.Armorbearer777 (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Tim Lambesis - I don't get your undo for vandalism? I simply applied the same radio reference to both As I Lay Dying and Tim Lambesis as the Tim Lambesis article was in need of references. I hope this is not a matter of WP:NPA. Accusing that editor of being vandalism, is a bit over the line. I can see that you are an agressive Wikipedia editor and I respect that. Please do not launch a personal attack. I am not angry or a vandal. There are many vandals on Wikipedia for you to police, if that is what you do. I am not one of them. Thank you and I trust we can move forward in respect to each other and avoid any unproductive confrontations over this matter. Armorbearer777 (talk) 19:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * For one; you seem uneasy. I don't do personal attacks. For second; stating something was vandalism was one sentence (directed to the IP adresses), having a notification that I was removng the uneeded descriptions of his radio interview is another (directed to you). • GunMetal Angel  20:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * A thousand apolligies! I stand corrected. I did Change the Tim Lambesis radio reference to include a different quote and removed radio show name.Armorbearer777 (talk) 23:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Adoption Request As we are both Metal fans and you do have a considerable more experience as a wiki editor that I, would you be interestedin taking me on as an adoptee to learn under your wing??Armorbearer777 (talk) 23:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. =) • GunMetal Angel  23:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sweet! I am learning.. Have over 800 contribs (give or take), but I really need to learn what the "Sam Hill" I am doing!! How does this work? Do we make or are we allowed to connect off Wikipedia (Facebook, Email, Skype)? You let me know and I will follow your lead. Thanks! Armorbearer777 (talk) 23:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Iwrestledabearonce
Someone just changed the genre from avant-garde metal to mathcore. However, like the invisible warning stated nearby the genre infobox area, the anonymous person who did that went to the talk page, and stated his viewpoint in a non-rude manner. I'm not saying I agree with the person, but I don't want to revert it immediately, because this person doesn't seem to intend trouble at this point. See the talk page of the article for more information. Thanks. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 23:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Commissioner (group)


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Between the Buried and Me discography
Hello, I see you've done a lot of work on the Between the Buried and Me article. I was wondering if you would be interested in working on a discography page for the band as well. I've set up a basic outline for the article but I'm missing several sources and extra information. If you'd like to collaborate on it, check out my sandbox and feel free to edit things around or discuss changes with me. Note the sandbox also contains some general suggestions for other articles not related to the BtBaM discography. Thanks. atallcostsky  talk   02:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

RE:Hey
Um, YES! Of Machines was my favorite band, and Austin Thornton was their drummer and is WIM's drummer. I made a user page for Woe, Is Me actually. -- ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  01:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  23:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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I messed up with the album title
Dane Poppin is in A Static Lullaby, not A Skylit Drive. Just check the actual link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krazycev13 (talk • contribs)
 * I don't listen to either of those bands so I didn't know. xD • GunMetal Angel  22:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Tony Danza
Regarding this edit, what do you mean it isn't sourced? Do you not see the source immediately beside the genres? Written by James C Monger, editor at AllMusic? I mean, it's right there. — Huntster (t @ c) 01:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Further, you didn't even revert my edit, you simply removed two genres, one of which didn't even exist there before my edit. Did you simply disagree with experimental metal and mathcore being there? I'm even more confused now, since "None of this is sourced" is obviously untrue. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Appologies, I did not check the source, I only thought grindcore was a primary source for where Allmusic goes. But do not revert my edit, due to the fact that we only need so many genres, the two that are listed: "extreme metal" goes as far as generalazation and "grindcore" may be considered as a metal genre, but was evolved from punk which is what 30% of Tapdance necessarily is. Take it to the talk page or make a section on the article for "musical style" if you're so concerned upon this or if you wanna inform people what their sound is labeled. • GunMetal Angel  02:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you've explained your thought process, I agree that the most generic form ("extreme metal") is enough for the infobox. But please, in the future, use the edit summary to explain your reasoning, rather than throwing in an unfounded accusation.
 * But, the last part of your reply, "if you wanna inform people what their sound is labeled", is also confusing. You're making it sound like the band disagrees with being labelled experimental metal or thrash, or read another way, that labelling them as such is somehow a bad thing. The first case is completely irrelevant...we're reporting what other sources say. The second case is just nonsense. Unless you are applying a different meaning to what you said? — Huntster (t @ c) 03:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Sigh…* All I mean is if you want to explain details on their method of sound you can add a "musical style" section like so. • GunMetal Angel  03:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies on my part. I guess I'm getting cross-eyed from staring at the computer screen too long: I read that as "Take it to the talk page and title it "musical style" if you're so concerned...". I'm going to sleep. Take care GmA. — Huntster (t @ c) 04:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, today has seemed espicially long. Seeya, bro. • GunMetal Angel  04:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: The Word Alive
Unprotected, now that I've given the userspace article a quick look. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:25, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Talk page unprotected/sandbox handled. the lowercase version can probably stay as is, if someone types it in in the search box, it will redirect them to it. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 15:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

N.W.A
I'd like to see the guidelines or a link that justify your edits and removal of correct data backed with sources. This is the third time that you have not provided any. esse quam videri - to be rather than to seem (talk) 07:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold
My edits to Avenged Sevenfold was not completely done yet. And I did not disassemble half of the article. I cleaned up stuff. Removed excessive quotations and unimportant details to the article. Well, no use trying since this article has an unstable project layout and at this rate can never reach featured article or good article status. Especially when "deathbatnews" is a "verified" source. So have fun with this poorly disorganized article that's more of a fanpage than encyclopedia. Kevon100   Talk! If you're ❺❺❺ then I'm ❻❻❻ 21:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

About In Fear and Faith
Why do you keep removing the links to instruments on that page? There isn't any reasoning behind it. -- ҚЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  00:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone came along weeks ago and explained that it follows the rules of WP:LINKING when he did it. • GunMetal Angel  00:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:Telle
Pardon my French, but what does this say? "The lead must conform to verifiability and other policies. The verifiability policy advises that material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and quotations, should be cited." --Georgiamode01 (talk) 09:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can be cited in other sections, but the citations shouldn't be visible to the lead. • GunMetal Angel  16:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you quote this? --Georgiamode01 (talk) 17:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Meshuggah
First off, the fact that I disagree with your disruptive edits does not make me own an article. Secondly, I am not interested in your ironical expressions like "welcome to Wikipedia". Go and tell that to your mom instead please.

Suffocation (band): The infobox includes technical death metal (a subgenre of death metal), so death metal does not need to be included unless you can find a source that Suffocation plays also death metal that is not technical death metal. The time periods for the record labels are original research derived from the album release dates. In fact, we don't really know when did the band exactly have a contract with a label.

Meshuggah: I don't see any of these edits constructive. Explain every change you do on my talkpage, please. Btw. obZen is written correctly per MOS:TM. Do you have problems with readig? You ridicule yourself by citing policies that prove you wrong. What's the point?--Lykantrop (talk) 07:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, didn't think you would get stressed enough to use one of those inmature "go tell your mom that" gesters. I didn't use an "ironical expression", if text that you find inappropriate included as part of the template that it's used for, it's not my fault. I don't really know what to say about Suffocation, if it bothers you that much, revert me. But as for Meshuggah, there were several problems such as the no sources in the lead policy along with infobox problems as well as just cleaning up in general (some of the things didn't even make sense as you read through it). Furthermore, I did not cite any text that prooved me wrong. MOS:TM clearly has the sentence "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting 'official'", Obzen (or obZen or whatever...) does not warrant the title correct upon it having a lowercase first letter, if you'd kindly notice it has several lowercased and it has some janked-up funny spelling in the middle of it to make it look cool. It is not eBay or iPod. Several things you wrote to me here seem to be taking hits at me, but I will choose to ignore it as I've already had a good night out tonight and wouldn't want any conflict get to me, so I won't be using anymore templates regarding any dissatisfaction to you and I will not attempt to subliminally insult you as if we were just two angry douchebags having some dumb fight over who think's the other's edit is "disruptive". All I wanna say is, just chill down — getting hot over the sake of improving something is not totally metal anyway. • GunMetal Angel  08:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * well, concerning obzen, you might bring that one up for a discussion. but it's obviously not an allcaps trademark like KISS or nocaps like adidas. The "ob" is an actual prefix and the "Zen" part is an actual, separate word in the title like "Pad" or "Bay", not some janked-up funny spelling in the middle of it to make it look cool. "Zen" has an actual meaning. so you may propose a move of that article if you disagree, but there is no point in rewriting the "obZen"s to "Obzen"s at this point, and if you can't even do it properly.


 * i don't feel like disussing your removal of random parts of sentences, removal of references, external links, discographies etc., when you ignore my appeal to explain these. You obviously also like to follow all WP:MUSICIAN recomendations, but i don't need to follow them all blindly; since they're neither policies, nor guidelines, but only recommendations.


 * if you're getting hot over something, then chill down. but you don't need to tell me about that.--Lykantrop (talk) 14:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That seemed kind of backwards, I noted you were the one getting hot over something and losing your head over nothing, unless you're attempting to make some weird pun out of the expression "getting hot". Furthermore, I didn't remove citations, just the ones that are uneeded - and as far as that goes - not totally reliable. As for sentences, a lot of things just never seem to be completely readable through at times. My suggestion is; is it cool to work around your edits and add-in my own? In other words; not totally revert back to my revision but hold-in some of the things that seemed more adequate to the format of the whole thing? • GunMetal Angel  19:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, i would like to comply your suggestion, but what do you mean with "work around your edits and add-in my own"? I am just keeping the things that you removed; how do you want to work around that? You can list the things that you think are not completely readable, but that's quite all.--Lykantrop (talk) 09:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Opiate
My apologies for reverting your edit. I was misled by the infoboxes for the last three Tool releases (Salival, Lateralus and 10,000 days, which have "progressive metal" as the only genre, and by Tool being described in the lead as "progressive metal band". Sorry again, will pay better attention before reverting other contributor's edits in the future. Regards. -- Francesco Malipiero (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * On second thought: I withdraw my apology. My edit was made in good faith, and your reaction to it was inappropriate. However, you need not worry about any further interference from me: having only 16 years of professional experience in the record retail business, I suppose I am not qualified in the matter of musical genres. I have now removed all popular music articles (historically ranging from Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Rush and the likes to Kyuss, QOTSA, Tool etc) from my watchlist, and will confine myself to classical music in the future. Editors in that field of interest seem to be more inclined to assume good faith. Live long and prosper, and may the force be with you. --Francesco Malipiero (talk) 00:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

genre warring
I am not conducting in genre warring on Meteora (album) or Hybrid Theory. It seems like every other edit on both of those pages are changes concerning the genre. We should be listing the main genre of the album, not include styles of it as well. Ga  Be   19  00:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Where was "consensus met" on their respective talk pages? I don't see any "consensus".


 * Also, you say "Give me, the IP adresses and several other editors a break [...] multiple people are reverting you", only you and three IP addresses reverted edits by me on Hybrid Theory and you and two IP addresses reverted edits by me on Meteora. Where are the "several other editors"? Ga   Be   19  01:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
Hey whats up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Number67xxx (talk • contribs) 19:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, hey to you too. And thanks for singing my guestbook.(= • GunMetal Angel  23:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold
Hey, I noticed you reverted the edits of MetalBrasil on the Avenged Sevenfold article. A consensus needs to be reached on the genres and I've replied to his post on the talk page, providing genres and sources to back them. Would appreciate it if you could add to the discussion because it will be difficult for just two editors to reach a consensus. =) HrZ (talk) 14:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Medal of Honor hatnote
Hello there. Just wondering why you reverted my revert of your removal of the "for X see Y" at the top of Medal of Honor (2010 video game). Thanks! Fin©™ 21:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's pretty simple; get this: there's seriously no need to hatnote an article when it has the title for it descriptive. I mean the dab for the title "(2010 video game)" already distinguishes this. If they want another thing, they're already aware they're in the wrong spot. • GunMetal Angel  00:41, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Dunno if I quite agree, but fair enough. Thanks! Fin©™ 10:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's just usually how it's done on here. It wasn't fair of me to revert your edit without explaining within the sumary, so I appologize for that and hopeful that this made up for it. It was also reverted, though because the song context was wrong. I'm a big editor of music on here and song titles are supposed to be quoted, not Italictized or both. • GunMetal Angel  00:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Genre warriors
Hey, when dealing with disruptive editors, it's best to give the most relevant warning possible, rather than a generic vandalism warning. For genre warriors, like the one I just blocked after you reported them to AIV, uw-genre1 (or 2, 3, 4) is better than the uw-vandalism set. The vandal warnings can be very bitey, so it's better to AGF and assume that they don't know they're being a pain in the arse and give them a template that explains why what they're doing is a pain in the arse. The uw-genre series are supported by Twinkle, btw. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've also been thinking there should be a new tag "tag: genres changed". Can you make a request for something like that? - GunMetal Angel  21:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:EF/R. I'm not sure how workable it would be, but I don't know anything about filters. If you explain what you want it to catch, the folks there will be able to tell you if it's possible. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder: Please use the uw-genre series of warnings for genre warriors, not the uw-vandalism series. Also, you should note that genre warring is not an exception to the three-revert rule. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * When did I do either of these? • GunMetal Angel  19:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the TDWP photoshoot relevance
My most sincere apologies, sir/madam. In the midst of misunderstanding what exactly an "autoconfirmed user" is, and just how to become one, I apparently missed your undoing of my revision. I apologize again.

I only considered the photoshoot noteworthy due to the fact that it gives a bit of insight as to the recording methods of the band and possible fruits of their latest labors.

Once again, I offer my apologies and leave you with no ill will.

Nintendufus (talk) 01:36, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * For one, I'm a dude. Lmao. For two; I didn't need a big appology. All I was saying was it's not really appropriate for an encyclopedic entry to keep track of every time the band blows their noses. A photoshoot isn't entirely very noteworthy, but glad you understand. • GunMetal Angel  02:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

RfPP
Hey, please be careful when editing RfPP—the last three times I've seen you make requests, you've put them above the header despite the hidden comment. Please try to pay attention to the hidden comment in future. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not my fault, I use Twinkle to request page protections. It does it, not me. • GunMetal Angel  23:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * So it would appear. I'll raise it at WT:TW. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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re:ARV
Hello - Thanks for the message. I'm happy to discuss my declination to block that IP editor and why I felt your report was stale.

I removed your report at WP:AIV (I don't know where ARV is, unless you're talking about that JavaScript tool) because, if you'll notice in the little green box at the top of that page, that under instruction #3 it states, "unregistered users must be active now". "Now" means now, not seven or eight hours earlier.

You reported the IP to AIV at 0624 UTC. When you reported him, he hadn't edited since 2142 UTC the previous day. That's almost nine hours earlier, and that is not the definition of "active now". Nor is it exactly a "frenzy," to use your word.

I removed the report at 0935, a full 12 hours after that IP had edited and nearly three hours after you had filed a stale report. I see that another admin blocked the IP today, but I strongly disagree with that block. Unless an IP's using multiple socks or there's another extraordinary reason, I'll never block an IP after it's been inactive for 12+ hours. It's a simple difference in philosophy - I can always block him later if he resumes. But he wasn't resuming - he was sleeping.

I'll AGF and write off the "Listen, can you not..." start to your message to me as simple frustration, but I know you know that's not the best way to get someone to come around to your way of thinking. Thanks again for the message. If I can answer questions or if you ever need help, let me know. :-) -- Krakatoa Katie  04:16, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It was more of a question and also to take notice, he vandalizes like twice a week at peridodic times, so isn't it best to forget the "stale" rule and not wait around for the shark to come back around? Furthermore, he has a proxy IP that was blocked too, so that's another reason why I briefly stated these things. PS: I wasn't mad at you, it was all asking a question. • GunMetal Angel  05:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

re:Network Songs
I thought the updates for Rock Band 2's music store stopped last month. I guess I was mistaken. Although at some point, they're going to shut down those updates anyway if they want to start using Rock Band 3 features on future Rock Band Network songs (which they will). So, to answer you're question: I don't know why that store is not being updated. Recliner Man 2:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

In Fear and Faith
hey there. i made the edit on the In Fear and Faith article "to great success" part. any reason why you reverted it? "to great success" is extremely subjective, whereas simply putting a billboard chart number on a page is an objective fact. and if it's a great success, then who is it specifically a "great success" to? please let me know. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.32.185 (talk) 05:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, I guess your edit can be deemed to be subjct to greater faith and plus it's more encyclopedic in that format, I'll restore your edit. And sorry for the inconvenience, I reverted it more out of in contrast to unveriable wording to what I believed was the best run-through sentence. • GunMetal Angel  06:06, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Nick Urlacher
Where did you find that he left the band? And who is Kinaj? -- KЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  21:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.myspace.com/thewordalive/blog/541422685 - Jer '' 757  22:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Aha, yeah Jerry answered that for me, and Kitaj is Nick's original last name. I have him on Facebook. • GunMetal Angel  22:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. -- KЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  21:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

The Word Alive
Why did you revert my edit at The Word Alive? I tried to contact you here but you removed my comment. I think that the sentence "Word Alive has gained renown praise for their innovative style of modern metalcore" does not make sense as written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maori Star Wars Fan (talk • contribs) 01:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * How does it make sense what you wrote? Renown means attention or notice and with that word follow along with "praise", which means good and positive respectful reviewership or attention makes the sentence complete and senseful. Saying "The Word Alive has gained renown" is what doesn't make sense • GunMetal Angel  01:54, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've never encounter the expression "renown praise" before and didn't think it was standard english. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maori Star Wars Fan (talk • contribs) 01:56, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It's okay, while you're on this site be sure to sign your posts by typing ~ after each time you leave a comment on a talk page. • GunMetal Angel  01:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

What I meant was that I don't think the expression "renown praise" does make sense in english. Never heard or seen it before; should be used a lot if it were standard english. Maori Star Wars Fan (talk) 02:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Wherever you live...
I want to live there. Because the shows that pass through your town are awesome. Haha. -- KЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  00:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I live in this shitty little town, and trust me you don't. It may be kinda close to Vegas, but usually the shows I go to are out-of-state. Such as I caught the Killswitch Engage show with TDWP in LA which is located in California, same where I saw Slipknot. Attack Attack!'s This Is a Family Tour didn't even come to Nevada, and Tempe, Arizona was closer than the ones even in California so I drove 7 hours out of my way on a school night to catch 6 bands and made it back home at like 4 or 5:00 AM. The only bands that play here are either local stuff or on the Threadzfest that happens here every year and at least then I get to go backstage to meet the groups (Asking Alexandria, We Came as Romans, A Bullet for Pretty Boy and Pierce the Veil was last year, the year before that was Blessthefall, I Am Ghost and some other ones). Next show is gonna be Underoath on the 28th and that's in Vegas so thankfully this will be the first big show I'm going to in a while that is in the state I live. • GunMetal Angel  02:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. That's kind of insane, haha. Still haven't gotten my license, so I'm not able to go anywhere. Also, being in southwest Ohio, I'm an three hours from Toledo and four from Cleveland, where most of the big shows are around here. Though we got Attack Attack! at Bogart's in Cincinnati, I wasn't allowed in, haha. -- KЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  21:00, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn, I wish I lived in Ohio. But wait... I thought you lived in Canada? • GunMetal Angel  01:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Genre warring and AIV
Please see my comment on your most recent AIV report. Giving generic vandalism warnings for genre warring is unhelpful,a s I've told you before. How are they supposed to know what they've done wrong if they just get a generic template every time they edit? We have a uw-genre series for that, which is even supported by Twinkle and which actually explains what's wrong with their edits, so please make a point of using those in future. Then your AIV reports can be actioned if they persist. Thank you, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Responded on your talk page -- GunMetal Angel  19:35, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

What's up with that?
Second page in as many days about post-hardcore music that I've had to request protection for. First with WCAR, now with In Fear and Faith. Is this becoming a trend? While I may not like much of this style of music (although my friend got me into WCAR before they were signed, so happy to see such a good band going somewhere), I strongly dislike people who hate on types of music just because they think it isn't legit enough. If this is a trend, I think we should put together some people to keep an eye on pages of post-hardcore bands, because I think it's only starting. --Fbifriday (talk) 06:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a trend, It's some asshole vandalizing post-hardcore bands left and right and jumping IP adresses doing so, they're all pretty similar so I can gurantee this is no work of 4chan or some trolling comittee here to attack on Wikipedia. And yeah WCAR are good guys, I met them all and even helped Eric Choi load his drum kit in his case after a set. • GunMetal Angel  07:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —&mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Job for a Cowboy
Greetings! Be so kind, and explain please what exactly are you talking about here, would you? I have no idea what content has been removed, what guidelines violated, what typographical errors created or anything. I removed dead-linked sources and added new sources for updates; added chronologies to members; added new section; and edited the lead section per WP:LEAD. So tell me what is Your concern --Lykantrop (talk) 21:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ignoring me? allright then--Lykantrop (talk) 11:46, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't ignore you. Sorry that the problem you set for me got in the way of everything I was doing on this website yesterday. Anyway; just get this. It's the removal of associated acts, and re-arrangement of band members that mainly gets off as being unconstructive torwards the article. There are also a few typographical errors that are made within the edit. Everything else looks fine, so you can restore that without any de-consesus on my part. But all-in-all the least you can do right here and since I've been kind enough to let you in on the issue, can you be kind enough to not violate the guidelines of removing associated acts or changing the order of the band members again? •  GunMetal Angel  20:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * frankly, according to Template:Infobox musical artist, "Groups with only one member in common (...) should be avoided". A band member chronology "vocalist-guitarist-bassist-drummer" plus a "time chronology" are a standard in rock band articles. Please consider your own behaviour before telling others not to act against guidelines.--Lykantrop (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Looking back at this issue, at the beginning you rollbacked my simple contributions and accused me of violating guidelines. So you needed me to explain my contributions. Afterwards your rollback turned out to be completely wrong (thus against guidelines), and you gradually had to accept my contributions. Now that's funny. But what was the point? Please—don't revert others' work on a cursory, skimming, didn't-read basis without paying enough attention to judge the merits of it. I'm not a newbie, so I'm not offended when I see it, but one has to remember that doing that kind of reversion to newbies would constitute WP:BITEing. It takes good contributors and sours them on future contributing. Thanks, and happy editing. Regards,--Lykantrop (talk) 12:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

That's because I hit rollback on mistake, once it was done I was just "whatever" about it because I didn't think it would lead into the issue you gave me. And I accepted your revisions because it seemed helpful rather than the unhelpfulness you made of yourself on the article. Running around and being all "herp, imma gohead and put tehh singerr in frawnmt of all teh bandmembaz becuzz dats wat i heer first!11!" isn't helpful and its against guidelines upon how the members are supposed to hear alphabetically. Stuff like that bothered me. To be nice; you're helpful when not annoying. - GunMetal Angel  21:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * What guidelines are you again lying about? Template:Infobox musical artist says "Current members of the group, listed in order of joining..." why is it so hard to comprehend that? where is your alphabetical chronoly in FAs AC/DC, The Beatles or whatever? why do you make up non-existing guidelines? do you think everyone else is retarded? are you serious? are you just joking man? this is ridiculous--Lykantrop (talk) 22:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm just going by what everyone else has told me; isn't that how guidelines formed? For like 50 articles now, there has been consensus to leave the members alphabetized. This is exactly why when I'm pushed this far, I just give up with you, say "fuck it" because, I just can't deal with the stubbornness or the problems, so I'm just gonna once again say just do what you want cuz I'm so done with constant objections. • GunMetal Angel  00:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * well, as i expected. anyway, why did you keep objecting against my edits then, when your're so done with constant objections? you started the whole thing by reverting and objecting. Just don't ruin other's work, don't object to people who improve articles and there will be no problem. btw, i didn't revert you more times than you reverted me; and you started to revert, so how am i more stubborn than you, haha? so, in the future, just don't lie to people, allright?; and don't accuse editors of violating guidelines, when it's you who violates them, allright? cheers!--Lykantrop (talk) 10:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't lie about a thing. There's a difference between going by what everyone seems good with and almost appeals as a requirement when I'm constantly getting yelled at for doing what you used to do and lying. I did not lie; it was a matter of experience and what other users have convinced me on doing. Or perhaps you're just saying I lie to attempt to bother me? Ha, I hope you know that doesn't work either. - GunMetal Angel  19:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you said there's an actual guideline for what you did, but there wasn't any. Maybe not for you, but just that fact constitutes a lie for me. Everything else you said after that were just excuses. And to make it clear, i don't wanna bother you at all. I just get quite bored when my work here gets messed up by someone, who afterwards just wastes my time for pointless discussions, that only prove I was right, what I knew I was already before anyway.--Lykantrop (talk) 09:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Rollback
After reading the discussion again today it seems that I might have made a mistake and acted too quickly. I apologise for this. The edits you were reverting did not seem like blatant vandalism to me, and it appeared to be a content dispute. However as I know nothing about post-hardcore music, I will defer to the judgement of others. However I would like to make a suggestion: instead of revert-warring with a vandal, just following the procedure of issuing warnings and then reporting to WP:AIV. After they are blocked you may revert the vandalism at your leisure. It doesn't really matter if the wrong version is up for a few minutes and it saves some stress! Anyway, apologies again. Returning rollback now. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. And also; the problem with that vandal is he's an IP-hopper so I couldn't of reported him to AIV; otherwise I wouldv'e saved myself a half hour of freshing the history page every 5 seconds to see if he's vandalizing the article again. Mitchell has been helping me with the problem though by protecting the pages he goes for, but it's still pretty ridiculous. If you take a look at the section above ("What's up with that"), that's a message actually being brought to my talk page about a user regarding this incident. Thanks for understanding. Have a good day.(= •  GunMetal Angel  20:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

The Word Alive's Deceiver album
Didn't want to start a revert war with you. I respect you too much. But as far as my edit goes, I saw my grammar issue, and I'll fix it. But I'm not seeing how speculation is encyclopedic. "For a debut, Deceiver sold considerably well" is almost completely opinionated, unless some source said that. In addition, "...disliking to the album's clean (melodic singing) vocals" reads sort of awkwardly, and the parentheses seem almost intrusive. I feel that "(melodic singing)" should be dropped and the next statement should read "Lambgoat referred to Smith's melodic singing as..." Please tell me if you have any other suggestions or revisions. -- KЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  00:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Before I explain, I'm gonna say that first line you left me was truly bromantic =). As for the actual case in issue, I believe the "melodic vocals" in parenthesis should be left. I mean TWA could be the next Bullet for My Valentine by next year and those that can't comprehend to "clean singing" could have this kept in mind. I tried to make that entire passage simplistic and follow-along better than what's found among other articles, I mean the entire TWA article and its subpages has like become this pride and joy of mine when I log onto this site, I've never seen an article get written that well that quickly, and an amazing band as such deserves it. In the case to avoid WP:POV, go 'head and revert me, but could you maybe keep the wording stylization in? I mean to take an example; instead of having "(melodic singing)" and "positive reviews by many" removed I think they should be kept-in because think of it this way; Lambgoat did give them a bashing review but they did admit that the band was quite on hype. • GunMetal Angel  02:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That line brought the lolz. Happy birthday as well! Haha. And as for the "positive reviews by many", I removed "by many" because stating that it gained positive reviews should be specific enough. I'll leave that in for now though. -- KЯĀŽΨÇÉV  13  02:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)