User talk:Gunmetal Angel/Archive 7

Re: Your Warning
Won't happen again. If I ever do, it means I'm pissed off to hell with a user and I want them to know it. But this is unlikely in the future as I OFFICIALLY QUIT EDITING ARTICLES ABOUT ELECTRONICORE BANDS.

Oh, and why are you referring to yourself in third person? Salamibears58 (talk) 21:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)Salamibears58


 * I still think you and Jer are the same person, but that isn't important. Thanks for your time.  Salamibears58 (talk) 01:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)Salamibears58 P.S. Can I write about this hurdle on my page?
 * I'd have been blocked for being a sockpuppet when he was blocked the past few days. So no, we're not the same person, just have a similar taste in music. - Jer Hit me up 01:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Even though you can say we're similar as people in a couple ways, it would be pretty weird to say we're the same person since you know nothing of us personally. I can already bring evidence to the table of how him and I are different as I do not support local bands, Jer does in his town (I mainly don't because almost every band here are douchebags attempting metalcore left and right). Also, I happen to play bass, Jer plays guitar. • GunMetal Angel  03:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And obviously I wouldn't drive all the way to Arizona from Virginia just to see a band play a show. Although I did drive out of state to see Trivium with Dream Theater a few weeks ago, it wasn't THAT far. :p - Jer Hit me up 04:38, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Edivence was: You both monitor the same articles and change the same things. Salamibears58 (talk) 13:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)Dontaskaginalright

So what you're saying is, when somebody agrees and enforces the changes I make over Wikipedia, that person is automatically me? LOL • GunMetal Angel  15:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * God I really hope we aren't the same people, would make stuff like this super weird. Maybe He is also the same person as us too! - Jer Hit me up 18:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to mention, you also helped me out on the talk page for these guys regarding that TV Tropes wasn't a reliable source, to which I fixed days later because of your input of what I dind't realize. This happened about a week and a half ago? Yeah dude, we are totally the same person, and Kevin is the clone of us both. It only makes sense!!!1! • GunMetal Angel  19:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Pornogrind
NVM, It was unsourced anyways. 98.101.159.65 (talk) 01:38, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

(98.101.159.65 is me.) Salamibears58 (talk) 01:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)Salamibears58

TesseracT - SikTh
hey, good job changing the TesseracT page to Tesseract. Could you do it to SikTh too, I've no idea how to!Yellowxander (talk) 17:08, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Do not add Motionless in White unitl you get a reliable source
a record lable is not a reliable source. Either find a reliable source or don't liste them. Ever band listed here has a reliable source and there labels are not one of them. Do not just list them as Gothic metal because the there label says they are. Find a reliable soruce some place are:

http://www.musicmight.com/ http://allmusic.com/

etc. The lables are not a reliable source though. --Epica124 (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry to say, but no, not every band listed on there was backed up by a reliable source. There were a few bands backed up by Encyclopaedia Metallum, which is not a reliable source at all and never has been. However, I have removed the bands that had that website as a source so it the article can condone better to the support of reliable sources. As for Motionless in White, here are all the sources I just found referencing that MiW is goth, at least one of these has got to meet the quality of a reliable source, most certainly Fearnet would be one referencing that they are gothic metal and is regularly used as a source in several articles. •  GunMetal Angel  22:52, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

And you did not want to use any of those why? That's all any one was asking you for was to use links to sites with reliable source.As for the rest I really don't have the time to go through ever band that someone puts up or link to a bad site. That's not really my job. I work full time. If you see some problems then fix it and if you have reliable source like you just showed use them. Record labels, facebook, myspace, and bands websites are not reliable source. In fact if you have not already done so I will take some of those links and put them on the bands wikipedia page. And I see you have done that to. Again that's all I had asked you for from the very being. And I was not being rude to you at all. I was trying to help you by pointing out that you had linked to very poor sources. --Epica124 (talk) 00:48, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I know, thank you, and the reason why I did not use any of those before was because I didn't do as big as a search as I did this time. • GunMetal Angel  01:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Well then I'm glad I could help you. Oh and I had to add the band Tristania back in the first link already lists them as gothic metal a long with a http://www.soniccathedral.com/webzine/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=101&Itemid=35 which is one of the biggest sites in dealing lead female fronted bands. So out side of the one mistake I agree with the rest of the edits. --Epica124 (talk) 01:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

One other thing I can do to help you
If Devin Sola is a Session member. Make a part to list session members. That's how it's done for the band Epica. --Epica124 (talk) 01:24, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * He's a substitute that is simply filling in on bass for their recent tours. However, I have no source for this as I met him at one of their concerts and asked him personally if he was in the band or not and he replied "Nahh, I'm just filling in". There is also no source indicating that he actually is in the band, not to mention. • GunMetal Angel  01:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Disregard. It's actually become official today http://www.motionlessinwhite.net/post/13428607900/were-really-happy-to-announce-that-we-have-found • GunMetal Angel  07:03, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Now I feel a bit douchey for having requested it be protected, lol. - Jer Hit me up 12:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

What no pie or cookies?
Man that bites. :p Just kidding thank you. --Epica124 (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

WSMFY AbsolutePunk review
It isn't unstarred. For a short time, AP.net went by a star system, and WSMFY had a score out of five. On the review's page, it clearly has a score on Bare Essentials. (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=2016852) Although they go by an X/10 system now, they still use it along with the percent rating. If there's a star rating available, there's no reason to not use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.105.172.154 (talk) 13:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

WIM
Curious if you've seen them since Andrew joined? Seen em last night and Kevin was playing most of the "lead" parts (though some were on a backing track). I think its pretty safe to say Andrew is the rhythm guitarist, and Kevin has moved to lead, though was curious if you noticed this too? - Jer Hit me up 15:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know dude, I kind of stopped listening to them a little. I've only seen them once and it was at Warped Tour. GunMetal Angel  05:53, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Keep and eye on this guy. Lots of disruptions. Sensesfail123 (talk) 05:20, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If he listens to ISFOF, then yeah, terrible music taste. But I don't know why you're bringing this to me, just give him warnings and then report him to ARV. I'll give the person a warning template right now, though since it's been brought to my attention. • GunMetal Angel  05:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Despite My Deepest Fear
Hello, Gunmetal Angel, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Despite My Deepest Fear, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:


 * 1) edit the page
 * 2) remove the text that looks like this:
 * 3) save the page

It helps to explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the Help Desk. Thanks again for contributing! Sparthorse (talk) 07:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

10,000 Days cover
Hey there,

Can you explain why you reverted to the old version of the 10,000 Days cover? Thanks.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 12:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Because the version I reverted to simply shows the artwork for the album which that image is supposed to be for and demonstrate for the page. The 3D glasses insert, that while may be available & over the cover for the slipcase, it is just an accessory, not the album cover. • GunMetal Angel  09:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I would argue the version I uploaded more accurately shows the cover artwork for the album. The 3D glasses flap is not an accessory, it is built into and integral to the package: that the lenses align with the eyes indicates this was not an afterthought. Also, that the flap is on the outside when you buy the album (and is designed to fit best that way) demonstrates that this is how Tool intended the cover to be displayed. They could have easily modified the flap to be on the inside if their intent was to display the cover as you would show it. (Your image also cuts off some of the left and right edges – it's about 5.5" x 5", not square.) At any rate, since my image displays what you might call the "as-received" version of the cover, and yours requires some action on the part of the end-user, I am reinstating my image.  Two Hearted River  ( paddle /  fish ) 16:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Metalcore, etc.
You cited TWO sources. Yes, two. Out of how many?

(on a side note, all italics in quotes taken from sources are mine.)

An interview with the early metalcore band Shai Hulud with Punknews.org, dated 05/28/08: "These bands that were heavier than the average hardcore bands. These bands that were more progressive than the average hardcore band. My friends and I would always refer to them as 'metalcore' because it wasn’t purely hardcore and it wasn’t purely metal".

-that sounds pretty clear to me that it isn't a subgenre of heavy metal, nor is it a subgenre of hardcore.

However; the interview goes on to state:

"It was like a heavier hardcore band with hardcore ethics and attitude but clearly a metal influence"

-which in turn is that metalcore is firmly rooted in the hardcore punk genre that it came from, and the metal element is an influence, but does not make up the primary elements of the music; just like in say; thrash metal (which is itself, incidentally, a fusion of speed metal/NWOBHM and hardcore punk), the music being played is still heavy metal both structually and riff wise, but it incorporates some elements from hardcore punk (in the case of thrash metal, shouted vocals, the down-picked rhythm guitar style and the 4/4 drums, mainly taken from the bands Discharge and GBH.) -So; by the logic you are using as regards metalcore, thrash metal bands like Anthrax, Slayer, Evile, Megadeth, earlier Metallica, Sodom, Destruction etc. are playing a subgenre of hardcore punk bands because the music they play is a fusion between heavy metal and hardcore punk. Obviously, this is nonsense. Go figure as regards metalcore.Let me put it this way: calling metalcore-or any hardcore punk-based genre that incorporates extensive metal elements for that matter; such as grindcore or crust punk- a 'subgenre of heavy metal' is like squirting a bottleful or strawberry source and proclaiming "there, we have a strawberry." -Apologists for the view that metalcore is a metal subgenre are often very keen to completely disregard the hardocre punk origins and (extensive) hardcore punk elements in the genre.

In another interview; with Shai Hulud guitarist Matt Fox on metalcsucks.net; he states:

"When we used to joke with the term, it was just a clever (or not so clever) way of describing a metallic hardcore, metal-influenced hardcore"

-Bands like Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Converge, Shai Hulad, Integrity etc. were hardcore punk bands that incorporated elements from various heavy metal subgenres to create a new subgenre (or genre). They weren't metal bands incorporating elements from hardcore punk, as can be seen above. So clearly, metalcore is thus a derivative of hardcore punk and NOT a subgenre of heavy metal.

oh; and as regards deathcore by the way:

lambgoat.com: "This is deathcore. This is what happens when death metal and hardcore, along with healthy doses of other heavy music styles, are so smoothly blended..." -yup, it just says death metal and hardcore are 'blended' -so you could just as much conclude from that description that deathcore is a derivative/subgenre of hardcore as much as you could say it was a derivitive/subgenre of heavy metal.

-a review of a All Shall Perish, Alienacja, Despised Ico, and  Whitechapel in Knoxville, Tennesee by Cosmo Lee on metalinjection.net:

"They're all textbook 'deathcore', fusing death metal and hardcore punk."

-again; it just says deathcore is 'fusing' death metal and hardcore punk; not that it is a metal subgenre.

Ed Rivadavia, on allmusic.com regarding Heaven Shall Burn:

"Munich, Germany's Heaven Shall Burn specialize in highly controversial and politicized death metal fused with hardcore; a hybrid style often referred to as death-core."

-again; that says exactly the same.

Alex Henderson on allmusic.com:

"What is deathcore? ...it's essentially metalcore... Drawing on both death metal and hardcore..."

-again, where does that say deathcore is a metal subgenre?

-so, the sources saying that metalcore (or deathcore for that matter) is a subgenre of heavy metal are few, and those that say it is either a fusion of hardcore punk and (various forms of) heavy metal ; OR a derivitive of hardcore punk that takes influence from various metal subgenres, outnumber them by quite a wide margin.

"even heavy metal itself is a subgenre of rock" -well; seeing as Black Sabbath and their peers were playing blues rather than playing straight up rock 'n' roll; or hard rock or any derivation thereof; indeed Ozzy's biography states quite clearly: (pg 27)"we were a blues band more than anything ", if anything, heavy metal is a derivative of the blues more than anything else. It isn't just 'oh, its just a general term to describe any music thats a bit heavier than normal rock' because i.it's more complex than that and ii.that would include plenty of types of guitar-based music that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with metal of any shape or form- for example-hardcore punk; whilst being certainly heavier (and faster) than its ancestor, punk rock; nevertheless does not owe this increase in heaviness to any influence taken from any metal band.

Oh; and before you start saying stuff like my edits are based on a 'personal bias against metalcore' or other such hilarious nonsense, I've played in a number of hardcore punk, metalcore, and deathcore bands in the past, and quite enjoy all three, so I can assure you that there I have nothing personal against either type of music.

I've given you sources to back up my reasons for my edits, please refrain from any personal attacks or accusations of original research. I get how wikipedia works thank you very much.

At any rate, with the deepest of respect on a personal level; please read through my above arguments with a with a neutral eye; rather than a "uh, he doesn't like metalcore, so that's why he's saying it isn't a type of heavy metal, therefore I can disregard his arguments."-because that certainly isn't the case.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 21:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This is all original research and since you continue to refuse to cooperate I have started giving you warning templates as there is nothing else I can do. This site goes completely by sources, not whatever you perceive to take sources as. If the source says it's metal then it's metal. It's simple GunMetal Angel  22:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree completely Gunmetal. JWULTRABLIZZARD, you need to understand that by simply reverting edits in less than 24 hours as you did at, is completely inappropriate, and is simply putting you in danger of breaking the 3RR rule. Do understand that by adding original research is simply putting you in the spot where you are violating Wikipedia policy, and can lead to a loss of editing privileges. As for you Gunmetal, what he did to the Article you were editing was wrong yes, but note how you've ended up reverting much of his edits in less than 24 hours; you are both on the verge on breaking the 3RR rule, and technically still at an edit war.   Abhijay  Talk?/Deeds  03:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

-Only I cited several verified sources that have been used as a reference by the metalcore wikipedia page that clearly show that metalcore is not a metal subgenre; its a derivitive of hardcore that is influenced by various subgenres of heavy metal. Thus, its not Original Research at all, nor is it POV, nor is it fanciful interpretation or even misinterpretation. Read the sources. Its there in black and white.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 19:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Reply at the message you gave me
Glad I could give you a tip Gunmetal. But still, don't let those IP addresses or any other difficult editors bother you and your style of editing. Abhijay Talk?/Deeds  12:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are you so bent on getting me blocked? I said I wasn't edit warring. Ya know, you seem like a nice guy most of the time, but this is about the third time you went along with a assumption of me doing something wrong and then went to try to get blocked. Could you please just stop stalking my edits and leave me alone? • GunMetal Angel  18:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Really, reporting something that happened before the last block and subsequent discussion, which led to a voluntary agreement to avoid such behaviors in the future? I can't see how that was even intended to be helpful. I note the report has been rightfully declined on those same grounds. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:17, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the Suffokate
You should express your opinion regarding the possible Suffokate's article deletion: link. --Runkulis (talk) 14:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * We need someone who knows proper English to fix the sentences and punctuation. And why are you deleting other external links? --Runkulis (talk) 18:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I already explained that, per the WP:EL guideline. A collection of weblinks aren't appropriate, you should normally only have one or two. • GunMetal Angel  19:43, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Re:Alesana
I'm just going by what allmusic says. On just about every other band page it is regarded as a credible source and used as such. It lists the band itself and all its albums as being screamo (among other genres) and in regards to Try This with Your Eyes Closed also says "Through word of mouth and Internet promotions, the album sold well online and created a buzz among screamo fans.". I also looked through the talk page and saw this comment by a poster: "Alesana is labeled as metalcore on the Wikipedia article because reliable sources have stated that Alesana is metalcore (the same is true for screamowhich makes me cringe and post-hardcore). Read verifiability for more information." So it is credible due to being listed as such as a credible source. In my opinion the only thing that can disprove it right now would be a credible statement from someone from the band specifically saying they are not screamo.

And I'm sorry if I'm coming off as douchey for this but I'm just following what the rules say.--P.4.P. No. 1 (talk) 05:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya know what? How about we just keep the three genres there and start a "musical style" section? You're not coming off douchy, that was actually a pretty kind way to state things. • GunMetal Angel  05:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I just feel that it should at least be mentioned. Thanks, I just didn't want to come of as sounding like a know it all or anything.--P.4.P. No. 1 (talk) 05:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll let you be in charge of it, start it off making it look something like the one here » on the In Fear and Faith article and I'll add onto it. Otherwise if you don't want to, I'll do it tomorrow because I'm out of it right now lol. • GunMetal Angel  05:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

i made a change to the metalcore page as i dont see Underoath, trivium as metalcore (underoath more post-hardcore and trivium more thrash), i did edit in unearth, hatebreed and full blown chaos as they reflect the genre better, underoath and trivium are more emocore i would say, and it does say modern not popular bands so i think my contribution is valid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremevic (talk • contribs) 08:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

you have Underoath as a metalcore band but not hatebreed? its not an oppinion i just want to contribute correct additions, i can get sources for both if i need? and hatebrred and full blown chaos not listed as modern over popular non metalcore bands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremevic (talk • contribs) 08:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Bells Associated act
Jon Hershey, the original Vocalist is part of band Bells. That sounds like a reasonable association. Look at Saosin's page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saosin). Similar situation member leaving band, however still Circa Survive exists as an associated act.

What would you justify an Associated Act? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.105.223 (talk) 18:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, last I recall. Associated acts are not supposed to be listed unless it's more than just one member coming off of one band and onto another. • GunMetal Angel  18:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Not sure that is true seeing as the number of acts that have only one member associated with said act. Where are you seeing this rule from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.105.223 (talk) 18:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Says it right here, do not revert it again • GunMetal Angel  19:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

According to that description Bells would be a valid associated act under : 1.) For individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member, ( Jon Hershey ) 2.) Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together: ( Bells has collaborated on their latest album "leveler") 3.) Groups which have spun off from this group ( Bells have spun off from August Burns Red after Jon Hershey left the band)

Following the template and rules that wikipedia has provided, this is a Valid edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.105.223 (talk) 19:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow bro....Uhhhh, did you see the bit that says "Groups with only one member in common" under the section that says "The following uses of this field should be avoided"? • GunMetal Angel  20:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Honestly with all due respect, it seems like this is a clause that is mostly outweighed by the agreeing terms that wikipedia offers. Here is just a short list of some bands, out of probably thousands, that violate this "rule". I appreciate you understanding and keeping it up. Thanks! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saosin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deerhunter_(band) , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Petty_and_the_Heartbreakers , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Eyes_(band) , — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.105.223 (talk) 20:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * A million people could make a mistake, it's still a mistake • GunMetal Angel  23:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

You are incorrect, on the link you provided it shows an example identical to this scenario. See link: http://i.imgur.com/QDg6w.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asimpleart (talk • contribs) 14:44, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I provided a link to a rule of this website that has THIS SENTENCE:

""The following uses of this field should be avoided:
 * Association of groups with members' solo careers
 * Groups with only one member in common
 * Association of producers, managers, etc. (who are themselves acts) with other acts (unless the act essentially belongs to the producer, as in the case of a studio orchestra formed by and working exclusively with a producer)
 * One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song
 * Groups that are merely similar""


 * I would suggest reframing your attempts to get around this or I will get an admin involved. This is about the third time now I've demonstrated this guideline, but you still chose not to listen. • GunMetal Angel  20:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

In the linked image I provided you will see that the example wikipedia offers as acceptable use neglects "Groups with only one member in common". We're following the example wikipedia itself has laid out by the example. Either wikipedia needs to edit the example given, along with 1,000s of other entries, or the Associated act "Bells" will remain. I'm happy to speak to admin's, as there is inconsistency in their rulings and in 1,000's of other articles that include associated acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.55.162 (talk) 19:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

BFMV
I did provide a source and an argument for my "point of view". --MightySaiyan (talk) 21:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * MightySaiyan, do not revert Gunmetal's talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Bullet for My Valentine. This is vandalism.  Abhijay (☎ Talk) (✐ Deeds) 02:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Sleeping with Sirens
This is not vandalism. -Cntras (talk) 12:34, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Previous edits before that one made it seem so, sorry if it technically isn't, but it does add spamlinks nonetheless. See WP:ELNO • GunMetal Angel  13:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * They fall under the category of WP:ELOFFICIAL which is the exception to WP:ELNO. -Cntras (talk) 13:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Bullet for my Valentine
Hi Gunmetal, should we place a protection tag on the article Bullet for my Valentine, because every time I edit this article, one vandal keeps on popping up all the time. I also would like to apologize for earlier what happened between you, Jer757 and me. I understand I went a bit tad far and it did piss the both of you off. But anyways, I understand what I did was wrong and I shouldn't have done it in the first place.

Let's leave all that, but keep an eye on this guy User talk:82.41.61.99. He's been disrupting the Bullet for my Valentine article almost all the time. Abhijay (☎ Talk) (✐ Deeds) 07:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been pretty keen on what you've been doing. It seemed like you stalk me over this website trying to get me blocked. Another example could be the time where you reported my edits to an article for an Alesana album for edit warring even though they were days apart from each other. What's up with you and this kind of stuff? • GunMetal Angel  15:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, i guess you could say I've just been being a WP:DICK. Come on, I'm real sorry. Abhijay (☎ Talk) (<b style="color:#000">✐ Deeds</b>) 16:13, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Knoted troubles
Hi Gunmetal, Sorry to see you've also been having trouble with Knotedatitud. He's been making the worst edits over at 2012 in heavy metal music, and im not happy to see he's been doing the same activity elsewhere on Wikipedia...(Ant smusher) (Ant smusher) 13:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * That was my bad, I meant to remove the disambiguation to In Waves, not to The Crusade, fixing that now. • GunMetal Angel  20:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

This Means War (Attack Attack! album)
Hey man, take a look at the infobox of this page for a second. I tried to clear it up a few times, but some editors are continuously adding outlandish genres. I don't want to start an "edit war" so I thought it would be best to refer the situation to someone of your expertise. By the way, thank you for your many helpful edits to We Came As Romans recently. With much respect, --  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ... (Talk)   19:19, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems that the problem has resurfaced.--  ♪ ChrisBkoolio     ...    (Talk)    20:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Genres
Well there is a few songs on What Seperates Me From You that are neither Metalcore or Pop Punk, one of them being All I Want, the song all the A Day to Remember fans are talking about right now. --Mewtwo465 (talk) 22:44, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That is totally your opinion, has no source whatsoever. • GunMetal Angel  23:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

im sorry
sorry for changing many of the genres in bands. if i consult u and explain, do u think i can change a few things with ur permission. once again terribly sorry -andrew cherrey
 * Apology accepted. But the thing is that you need to understand that it's incredibly annoying to have (what we call) genre warriors on this site. It's just better off to not mess with the genre section. It causes a ton of drama that other editors and watchers of these pages do not need. • GunMetal Angel  09:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: My Arms, Your Hearse
Hey, check out Reign in Blood. If the dashes and production credits are listed like that on a featured article, then that's probably a good way to go for formatting production credits and dashes on other articles. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 16:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess. I just find it much more convenient to have the listings as mini sentences than having to relist "production" two times just to get that format. I mean that's how I wrote it for this page three years ago and since then, it's how I saw things correctly. •  GunMetal Angel  22:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

AfD and PROD notifications
Hey Gunmetal Angel. Back in November, you got either an AfD or PROD notification, and it was during one of the template testing project's experiments. If you could go here and leave us some feedback about what you think about the new versions of the templates we tested (there are links on the page), that would be very useful. (You can also email me at swalling@undefinedwikimedia.org if you want.) Thanks! <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   22:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

After the Burial
Sorry if I offended you. I get annoyed when people label "corebands", "screamo", as Heavy Metal. Core bands are more punk related than Metal in my opinion. It does depend on the band. ATB is about 60% punk, 40% metal. Let me know if what I'm saying is incoherent. I have terrible grammar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheInaneCynic (talk • contribs) 22:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No they're not. After the Burial are like 90% metal, and 10& (if any) punk. They don't even branch off of punk bands and barely any metalcore bands necessarily do. After the Burial come off of the Dream Theatre/Meshuggah side of music and even said it themselves that those bands are their typical main inspirations for what they sound like. Your original research is wayyyyy off, dude • GunMetal Angel  23:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Why are you so angry? If you're this offended by something so trivial, I'm not going to talk to you if you're this presumptuous.

I can't express my opinion on a music genre unless I have a source for my opinion? What you just mentioned is an opinion.I'm aware that what I did adds to the stereotype of Wikipedia and I only edit specific topics that I can elaborate on. If you're this offended by something so trivial, I'm not going to talk to you if you're this cynical.


 * I'm not offended at all. I'm just saying that if you're going to call a metal band punk, you might as well call Cannibal Corpse country rock. • GunMetal Angel  00:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Emmure
Excuse me!!! This is Dan Steindler (Original bassist of Emmure) I was there from the beginning and you can ask anyone of the members now!! Who are you to take my credit from all the years I've been with them?I have pictures....videos and the respect from everyone in the band and i dont need to concern myself with stupid trivial issues like this.I know who i am and everyone else that watched us could back me up. Dansteindler (talk) 15:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)DAN STEINDLER

Regarding my "disruptive editing"
I apologize if I vandalized any articles (such as The Black Dahlia Murder) since I thought that the discussion was towards keeping it as Melodic death metal. If I commit any other disruptive edits, I apologize and know that it is in good faith. I'm kinda new to this, so yeah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tehultragamer (talk • contribs) 02:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Templating
I wasn't the one who templated you. That was User:ConcernedVancouverite (See here). I then added a comment that he shouldn't have templated you. – Confession0791 talk 07:10, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry =\ but thanks so much for that comment against him though! - GunMetal Angel  08:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Meshuggah
Hi. Please gain consensus on the talk page before making a change to the genre in the lead. Discussion is much better than just getting into an edit war. You started a discussion on the Opeth talk page, discussion was had, and changes were made. A similar strategy would be a good plan here.

As for the "its/their" thing, the grammar is more awkward when it changes throughout the article (frankly, using "its" doesn't sound awkward to me at all). Keep it consistent throughout the article, but if it's really that big of a deal, change it to "the 2002 album". MrMoustacheMM (talk) 23:33, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm new this so I didn't know, I haven't looked at that article in a longtime either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inbetweenlionsteeth (talk • contribs) 00:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiThanks
In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! 66.87.2.12 (talk) 15:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

between the buried and me
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your amazing. I updated the wiki page for Between The Buried And Me with the proper past members to include Kevin Falk, which is me. It is now correct. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swamptech (talk • contribs) 23:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * you're but thanks so much for the compliment dude, this talk page is getting so sweet it's giving me a toothache x) • GunMetal Angel  23:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Track listing
Hey! Please check out Template:Track listing. In particular, under Parameters, the section on the note parameter: "An optional note to be displayed in parentheses behind the title. Useful for original titles in other languages/scripts (e.g., kanji) or to denote bonus tracks only included in certain editions. Keep notes short. Excessive commentary disrupts the flow of the track listing, which should be easily scannable." (emphasis mine). Splitting the track listing is unnecessary, especially if the article has never had the bonus tracks split in the first place (that's generally how things are done on Wikipedia: if there is more than one way of doing things, stick with how it was done first, like using one date format vs. another (WP:DATERET)).

Additionally, avoid using the collapse parameter unless it's necessary: "Include this parameter with the value yes (|collapsed=yes) to have the track listing table start out collapsed. Useful for very long lists or pages with several lists. This parameter only takes effect in JavaScript-enabled browsers." (emphasis mine). Two lists is hardly "several lists".

Here's an example of when it's good to split off track lists and collapse them: 21st Century Breakdown. One long list and several different sets of bonus tracks. But an album with only two editions can just have the bonus tracks kept in the same listing and use the note parameter to denote bonus tracks.

Thanks! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * (moved per the header clearly visible on my talk page) Why do you revert my edits all the time just for the sake of reverting them? Plus in Template:Track listing there is nothing at all that states what you are getting at. I'd advise you to look at WP:OWNERSHIP because you seem to have a big problem with someone editing the page after you. • GunMetal Angel  22:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not reverting simply for the sake of reverting them. I gave you good reasons for why I reverted your changes: a format had already been set up on the page, the format that was originally there is supported by Template:Track listing (as I copied/pasted above (if you didn't understand what I was getting at, please tell me what you didn't understand and I can try to explain it more clearly)), and you gave no good reason for making that change. Trust me, I have no ownership issue here, the problem is people making pointless changes that make the page look worse and that don't follow usage information given on a Template page.


 * Generally your edits are fine; you've been editing a long time and know what you're doing. The problem arises when you either make pointless edits like this that go against Template usage, or poor grammar edits that need to be corrected (like that edit you made on Meshuggah that turned a grammatically-correct sentence into one that was grammatically incorrect), or when you make broad genre changes on articles (like trying to distill a band's genres to something as useless as "rock" when they're a metal band) without any discussion whatsoever. If I revert an edit you make, instead of just un-reverting it and leaving unrelated edit summaries ("Per overlinking"? What overlinking was done there?), start a discussion on the talk page. Maybe there's a good reason to change it that I haven't seen, or maybe your edit just wasn't a good idea. Either way, it can be hashed out and a decision made, instead of us reverting each other's edits. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:51, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There's nothing in Template:Track listing at all that explicitly says someone can't use a different row for a different section of track listing and saying it "looks worse" is just your opinion • GunMetal Angel  22:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you provide something that does explicitly state that you should do that? I mean, that Template page doesn't explicitly say not to stick beans up your nose... MrMoustacheMM (talk) 23:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well whatever, but aside from that I'll have you know yeah I did make a grammar error submission on one edit last night when I was skipping through the page, not checking back. Big deal! That's only happened like just that time. Aside from which your claims that I generalize something "as useless as rock when they're a metal band" never happened except for Opeth being that they don't play just metal, but progressive rock also. Don't try to put the blame on me doing something wrong when there's a clear reason for it • GunMetal Angel  08:30, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Question
Do you have any association with user GunmetalProject on Youtube? He seems to have the same musical intrests as you. Just wondering. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PBTF-Guitarist (talk • contribs) 21:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's my other account that I made like 2 months ago. Although I roommate with 3 other people and they all use that channel to comment on videos so it usually isn't me commenting. • GunMetal Angel  22:27, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Emmure
I'm the bassist on the demos!!!! That's my source!!! Dan Steindler (Original bassist of Emmure)

A beer for you!

 * Thanks. I'm not even old enough to drink • GunMetal Angel  23:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

RE: Guy that called Wolves in the Throne Room a hipster band
Hey there. Yeah, it does appear the person was trolling, haha. "Hipster shoegaze" is a rather abstract, weird way to describe Wolves in the Throne Room, and is of course not for Wikipedia. Thanks for the comment. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 01:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Request
I have a specific issue with anon IP editing to the Sylosis article. As usual it is genre warring. Band is sourced as a number of specific genres in reliable sources, but a number of anon IPs seem to want to draw me into a slow-motion edit war. Obviously, I am unprepared to do this, so your input would be welcomed; a general revert to sourced content and semi-protection strikes me as appropriate, but that is an admin decision to make. Cheers in advance, 20:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, so you should take this to preferably this guy or this guy. • GunMetal Angel  22:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Genre warrior?
You frequently warn other editors about changing genres without providing sources or engaging in discussion and yet you yourself frequently change genres without sources or discussion, and your edit summaries don't justify your alterations either (they're usually blank). I'm just curious how what you're doing is any different from the people who you've warned. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow dude, is there anything you DON'T bitch at me for whenever you come across me on here? What is your problem seriously? EVERY EDIT on there are sourced genres or are either simply restores of genres that were already on the page beforehand. THAT'S how I'm different from an IP that comes in on Wikipedia and fucks with the genre section being all "herp derpaaa dis is avant garde pop rock not pop punk". Thank you very much for your time • GunMetal Angel  01:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Among other purposes, talk pages are for editors to communicate potential issues in editing behavior. I noticed a potential issue, thus I came to your talk page to discuss it with you. This is distinctly different from bitching and there is no reason to get defensive. Your contribution to Axe to Fall was neither a restore nor a sourced genre as you claim it to be--crossover trash was never previously listed in the genre box, nor was is it listed in any of the sources in the article. At Put On Your Rosy Red Glasses you changed avant-garde to progressive, but progressive isn't listed in any of the sources provided nor was this a restore move. In fact, one of the reviews actually describes the album as avant-garde. None of the sources at "The Hounds of Anubis" list thrash metal. An editor on the talk page even requested a source be provided, but you told him he was wrong because because he was advancing his opinion. But by not providing a source yourself, it sure seems like you're trying to advance your own opinion as well. These examples are only from the last few weeks and this is an issue I've noticed for a long time as you edit a lot of articles on my watchlist. In the future, could you simply provide an edit summary that states you're changing a genre and why you're changing it? Something as simple as "adding this genre because it's mentioned in three of the professional reviews in the reception section" or "replacing an unsourced genre with one that was previously sourced" would go a long way. Thanks. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The article itself for Put on Your Rosy Red Glasses says that Put on Your Rosy Red Glasses is progressive metal, I knew nothing of the band by the time of editing so adding that genre is not my personal opinion. And FYI; magazines such as Alternative Press cite The Word Alive as par-thrash metal so nice try. And finally; big fucking deal that I decided to add genres to a page that did not have genres. It's not like I even cared specifically what goes on their genres, I was just taking a guess on what would describe them so I could fill out a blank section. Now can you put this to rest? This is like the sixth time you've got on my dick over something so ridiculous. • GunMetal Angel  02:21, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

User reverting perfectly legit edits.
This user http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Syxxpackid420

(who has previous warnings), is reverting edits in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Technical_death_metal&action=history

without any good reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.146.155.215 (talk • contribs)


 * Actually, I took a look at the history and he's not the only one reverting your edits. Your edits are not perfectly legit. The source you used on the band you added to the page was unreliable for one thing and for two, that band doesn't even have an article so in retrospect you should seriously stop reverting him back, that's called edit warring and is totally frowned upon on here. So best thing to do is to keep it cool, I suggest you should make an account for yourself and create the article for that band using this guide and if you have further problems with him, just go to the talk page for the technical death metal article and start a discussion instead of reverting back and forth. So go 'head, you should make an account •  GunMetal Angel  13:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Dr. Acula.
I don't want any trouble, buddy. Calm down. I'm just a D.A. fan trying to help other D.A. fan's by improving an article. As far as the "poorly written" comment goes, I believe I copied word for word from the bio. No hate. <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herpderpalex (talk • contribs) 19:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Falling in Reverse genre
I have told this user to stop adding "screamo" numerous times, directing him to consult the talk page. He refuses to discuss, and continues to revert back to his original edit. A lot of editing has been done since, such as the case with this edit [] where the user deletes the new picture that was since added among other things. In my opinion it's genre trolling and (maybe?) vandalism. What do you think? TJD2 (talk) 18:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Poison the Well
Can you please show me a source that says Poison the Well has signed to Rise Records? There's a huge difference between signing a contract to have a label own the rights to what an artist creates, and having a label reissue old material under an exclusive license from another label. Of course Rise will list the band on their roster, it's pretty hard to sell merchandise without an online presence, but it still doesn't mean Poison the Well has signed to the label. In fact, it's even possible that Poison the Well had nothing to do with these reissues.

For example, the allmusic entry for Black Sabbath's Paranoid lists dozens of labels in which the album has been reissued over the years. Should all of these be mentioned in the infobox at Black Sabbath? Hell no. Only the labels which hold or have held the rights to the group's music should be mentioned. And for an example of a label displaying an artist in their active roster even though they aren't signed to the label, check out Deathwish Records' band list. That label has a ton of bands who've reissued old material that are listed as part of the label. Hell, Kylesa only has one song released through Deathwish that was part of a reissued split EP, yet they're currently listed as "active". Give Up the Ghost reissued their two studio albums through Deathwish, and the webstore makes it perfectly clear that these releases are "under exclusive license from Equal Vision Records", yet they too are listed as an active band. It's just a business/marketing thing and it doesn't mean the group has actually signed to the label. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I opened up a discussion at Template talk:Infobox musical artist and my argument seems to be supported there. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:17, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The only reason why I added Rise Records to the list of labels for Poison the Well was because of this http://www.riserecords.com/new_site/bands_inside.htm • GunMetal Angel  23:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Brian Calzini
Would like to hear your explanation for restoring libellous/vandalism here. Or should I assume that it was a mistake?-Cntras (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That edit was made by Brian Calzini himself. He was vandalizing articles like Limp Bizkit, Korn and Marilyn Manson and making Facebook statuses about them so I reverted those edits to those articles and reverting that one that he made to his own page too in regards to everything else he was doing on this site with. Also, I don't see how that edit is vandalism anyway, controversial, yes, but vandalism? I mean it does have a source. Also I took a further look on the article, and even the guy that put that on the page asked on the talk page why it was being removed. So can I ask you why you think it's vandalism? Something controversial does not mean it's vandalism, good sir. • GunMetal Angel  06:32, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there any way to verify the notion that it was Brian Calzini who made those edits? It is vandalism either way and the fact that I even have to explain this to you is a little concerning. As for the references, I don't suppose WP:RS means anything to you?-Cntras (talk) 07:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hang on. The IP which you referred to as 'Brian' (98.237.80.129) was actually the one who repeatedly removed the content. . -Cntras (talk) 07:52, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * See? I told you it was Brian, he obviously wants to dumb down the fact that he blew another man even though in that source there are pictures. But it doesn't quite matter to me since I don't really care what ends up on that page. I was just reverting his edits since practically all of them were vandalism and when I looked into this situation, I found out what was really going on into deeper detail. Whether it is on the article or not didn't matter to me • GunMetal Angel  08:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I’m astounded as to how you could be so oblivious to BLP concerns. WP:BLP – ‘ Contentious material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced - whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion’ -Cntras (talk) 08:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I never read that. Like I said, dude: I don't care about Brian Calzini or him sucking dicks or any of the latter of the situation like I just stated above. Sorry I reverted something that I was not quite so aware on due to the fact that I was simply reverting a vandal's edits and did not give this much insight to what was actually going on until after it was done. • GunMetal Angel  09:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Stones Roses
I agree with you on your last edits. Thanks for being so civilised. Davdevalle (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Protecting We Are Defiance and Brian Calzini
Hello Gunmetal Angel,

can you protect the articles for We Are Defiance and Brian Calzini so that unregistrated users can´t change the articles? It seems that some users added something what is wrong in the articles. Thank you --Goroth (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't get why everyone thinks I'm admin now • GunMetal Angel  00:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh sorry. Can you contact an admin please or tell me a user name? --91.22.42.13 (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Just go here and put the articles you want protected on the page • GunMetal Angel  02:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Deicide
You've used this site long enough to know not to make unsourced, undiscussed changes to genres suiting your opinion. I have no problem templating regulars who don't follow basic Wikipedia rules (and I ignore the essay (not policy) WP:DTR – besides, I wasn't misusing it, per WP:DTR: "They may also simply be trying to save time by avoiding writing out a lengthy message that basically says the same thing as the template, which is, after all, the purpose of a template."). Start discussing your proposed genre changes, or start providing sources. Also, start using the edit summary, you make far too many edits without any explanation (again, something that I would expect you to know to do, considering how long you've been here). MrMoustacheMM (talk) 06:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The only reason why I originally added that to the page was because it was in the history and felt like it was rightfully placed there. I don't care about what the genre says. Furthermore; I don't have to do what you tell me, just like you feel like it's okay to piss off users by using templates for them. • GunMetal Angel  06:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Re-adding a genre just because it was in the history is not a good reason to re-add a genre. If you re-add it, provide a source. This is a basic Wikipedia guideline: WP:CITE. Whether you source it in the infobox, or somewhere in the article, a source is required.
 * Please read WP:DTR completely. Specifically, the last section. I did not leave the template to piss you off, I left it because you keep changing genres without providing any sources or starting any discussion, and I wanted to let you know about it in a simple, easy-to-understand manner. The template was the best choice to do that. Opeth, Meshuggah, Deicide, and other articles immediately come to mind as examples where you have done this.
 * Also, EDITSUMMARY. Always a good idea. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * WTF? I never did that to Opeth or Meshuggah. Stop making stuff up to try to put me on the line • GunMetal Angel  07:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Opeth and Meshuggah. I'm not making anything up. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 07:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Are you for real? Lolwow, that is not changing genres, that's applying to WP:NEUTRAL without even to regard the long discussion I held over the talk page for Opeth suggesting that the lead should state rock since the band does not exclusively play metal along with following the neutral guideline. Same goes for Meshuggah. So yeah, you practically are making things up and lumping them together with something totally unrelated. • GunMetal Angel  07:41, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Um, yes, I assure you that I am a real person.
 * You changed genres from "heavy metal" to "rock" on Opeth, and from "extreme metal" to "heavy metal" on Meshuggah (and you changed genres from "death metal" to "death metal, blackened death metal" on Deicide). That's changing genres. I'm not sure how you don't understand that that is changing genres. I am not "lumping together" "unrelated" edits, all were unsourced, undiscussed genre changes.
 * Yes, you did start a discussion on Opeth after the diff I provided. Why did you not do so prior to your edits on Meshuggah and Deicide? You knew that making those sorts of changes would be challenged. You also saw that after discussion, consensus was reached on the Opeth page (which is how pages should be edited, by consensus). Heck, this isn't even the first time I've said that discussion is better than unsourced, undiscussed edits: see here, after your Meshuggah genre change (where I acknowledge the discussion you started on Opeth). Clearly you didn't understand what I was saying then, so this time I used a template, in the hopes that you may better understand that unsourced, undiscussed edits to genres is not good editing practice on Wikipedia.
 * Can you provide a quote from WP:NEUTRAL that supports your claim that you were "applying to WP:NEUTRAL"? I see nothing non-neutral about calling a band an applicable genre in its article's lead.
 * Suffice it to say, you make too many unsourced, undiscussed (and usually unexplained) edits, especially to genres. As you said, you've been around here long enough, and so I would expect you to know basic editing practices, like including sources to information you add/change. This is explained in WP:V, one of the core policies of Wikipedia: "Other people have to be able to check that you didn't just make things up. This means that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." MrMoustacheMM (talk) 17:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I made those changes to Meshuggah and Opeth articles based open the neutrality guideline. Unless you're trying to convince everyone that doing what the project tells you to do shouldn't be followed, then you are wrong. • GunMetal Angel  17:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a quote from WP:NEUTRAL that supports your claim that you were "applying to WP:NEUTRAL"? I see nothing non-neutral about calling a band an applicable genre in its article's lead. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 17:47, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone. Biased information can usually be balanced with material cited to other sources to produce a more neutral perspective — "rock" is a genre of heavy metal and "heavy metal" is a generalization to everything Meshuggah plays. I am not changing these things just because I feel like it. Considering how long you've been on here, I would expect you to know this before bitching at me for "changing genres". • GunMetal Angel  17:51, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Remember, my main problem is not that you change the genres, but that you do so without any sources or discussion. Regardless of why you change genres, WP:V is still policy and should still be followed.
 * I don't think you understand what "neutral" means. Making an article "neutral" does not mean to generalize it. It means to avoid skewing the article towards a particular viewpoint or opinion. For example, "Opeth is an awesome heavy metal band from Sweden" is not neutral. Neither is "Opeth is a terrible heavy metal band from Sweden". But "Opeth is a heavy metal band from Sweden" is quite neutral. Calling the band "heavy metal" is not biased, when supported by sources (which it is, by several sources in the article).
 * Rock is not a genre of heavy metal. Heavy metal is a genre of rock.
 * How would I know that you aren't "changing these things just because I feel like it" when you provide no discussion or even an edit summary explaining what you are doing? Without any explanation or discussion, for all I know you are "changing these things just because [you] feel like it". MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Probably because SEVERAL articles follow this exact same thing that I was making for Opeth and other company? For example Senses Fail says they're a rock band not a "an American post-hardcore band", Panic! at the Disco says they're "an American rock band", not a "alternative rock band" and Linkin Park says "Linkin Park is an American rock band", not a "nu metal band". Keep in mind, I don't even edit these articles because they're not my type of music. I like metal. I listen to Opeth, Meshuggah and several bands like them and felt as bands like My Chemical Romance follow this neutrality guideline, then why the hell can't Meshuggah and other metal band articles follow the same damn thing? I mean hell, even Pantera says in the lead that they're a heavy metal band, not a "groove metal band". • GunMetal Angel  21:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, from what I've seen there is no "neutrality guideline" stating to generalize information given in articles. Can you provide a quote from a guideline/policy explicitly stating to "generalize" information given in articles? WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a good enough reason on its own.
 * Interestingly enough, you appear to edit all of those articles you listed. In fact, I notice that you're the one who changed the lead on Senses Fail, which up until your change a couple months ago did in fact call them "an American post-hardcore band". I see Panic! at the Disco took tons of discussion and even went to the WP:Mediation Cabal in order to sort out what genre to call the band, and Linkin Park also had plenty of discussion on its genres. Once again, more support for having discussions prior to making changes. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 21:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're not getting it. I don't wanna talk about this anymore • GunMetal Angel  23:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm getting it just fine, but no problem. Just make sure that future edits are accompanied by sources (and provide those sources, don't just allude to them like you did on Portals (album)), and/or are discussed first. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 16:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Indefinitely blocked
You have violated your voluntary restriction: "edit warring related to genres on Brand New in violation of WP:1RR restriction in place" and have been indefinitely blocked. You may appeal this block, and I am not opposed to it being modified if you agree to broader restrictions on your editing such as a topic-ban on music-related subjects, broadly construed. However, your edit-warring and disruption related to it must be put to an end. Toddst1 (talk) 23:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The only reason why I did it was because he was vandalizing so many articles. Changing stuff like "metalcore" on pages to "fashioncore". Which is purely ridiculous and obvious vandalism. He even removed maintenance templates off other pages. I've agreed to not edit warring on genres, which I wasn't trying to do. Don't you see that this was vandalism I was reverting? He kept on restoring stuff on Brand New and changing their genre to "gothic rock", like are you kidding me? Do Brand New really play a live show in make up and wear all black? No they don't. Just because I revert someone's vandalism means I have to get blocked for it? • GunMetal Angel  00:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hopefully you can log back on and unblock me soon because there are several disruptions occurring right now that need to be taken care of. But given that I'm blocked and I'm really the only one that babysits these pages, I guess they'll have to stay vandalized. • GunMetal Angel  07:27, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've had a look at the three edits you mention. Trouble is they don't look like vandalism, unless you're far more aware of the scene.  The first edit does seem initially suspicious, based on the addition of Nicki Minaj, but if you look at the respective pages of the associated acts they do state that they have all supported each other at various times in the past.  Additionally, the second two genre changes are borderline, and before reversion discussion would be a better path to take.  I'll grant that discussion before the initial change would also have been a good idea, but that hasn't happened, so be the good citizen and query it after the fact, and ask why they think a genre change is justified.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you go here Template:Musical artist and read what the associated acts part of it is for, it clearly states that the field is not used for those types of bands. What was in that field before was its proper use, but that IP address just deleted the correct content of what the guideline stated. Also the other edit clearly removes sourced content and the last one puts in unsourced content with poor grammar included. « « « « This right here, this what I just explained is ALWAYS, I repeat ALWAYS my biggest problem on the site; I revert disruptions that no one seems to get WHY they're disruptions, which is why I get blocks like this. Yes it isn't fair, but I never have room to explain how it isn't. Every blocking admin will never get a chance to see the troubles I see and assume that it's edit warring when it's really technically a huge disruption. Take how I blocked for example, I was reverting completely absurd edits to the Brand New article. No fan of Brand New in a million years would call them gothic rock. That's preposterous. Let alone edits that remove content that is sourced more than 5 times should come as common sense why they're vandalism. • GunMetal Angel  10:51, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See, this is discussion, and a pretty good one too. Why didn't you pour all this out at point of reversion on the talk pages, instead of after you'd been blocked because you didn't explain your reasoning?  Our paths first corssed a couple of years ago for a similar reason - you had good reason to revert, but were not taking the time to explain why, and just using Twinkle to revert which was classing everything as vandalism - when they were not vandal edits.  Calm down a bit, and explain your thought processes.  Explain why you are doing things.  Ask why other people are doing things.  Just some comments.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Believe me man, I've tried it countless times. I hope the admin when he wakes up soon and logs on can see this discussion and have the heart to unblock me and will hopefully see this the way I do. • GunMetal Angel  11:28, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but I'll just add as a last comment that it's not up to the unblocking admin to see it the way you do, but for you to see it the way the unblocking admin does. That is the crux of the issue.  (As I see it.)  Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:53, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * At this point, I see no reason for unblocking. If you'd like another admin to consider unblocking, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks and address the issue in my block message first.  Toddst1 (talk) 13:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol you've got to be kidding. That doesn't work and I'm not even going to try. Goodbye, Wikipedia. It's been a good five years, but there is absolutely nothing I can do. What was done to me is not justice in any way or form. Now I feel what R. Budd Dwyer felt all those years ago, ironic isn't it? • GunMetal Angel  22:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * So you're blocked, as you desired, You don't wish to appeal the block and you don't care about Wikipedia. Fine. Thanks for your contributions of the past, they do matter whether you think so or not. Maybe not a whole lot in the grand scheme as you say, but a little anyway. You're free to move on now, I suggest you go ahead and do so. Best of luck in your future endeavors. Khvalamde :  Argue, Scream, Chat, Yell or Shout   10:37, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of List of Parkway Drive concert tours


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Nomination of List of Parkway Drive concert tours for deletion
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Swarm! moved to draftspace
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Your draft article, Draft:Sewers (album)


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Your draft article, Draft:Swarm!


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