User talk:Gurch/Archive 24

CfD nomination of Category:Wikipedia long term abuse
I have nominated wikipedia long term abuse for renaming to wikipedia long-term abuse. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. The Evil IP address (talk) 20:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Man you rock
Huggle .95 out already with my suggestions in a day and more? Hats off to you, sir. Tommy2010 20:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * no your suggestions were already implemented. except one of them was disabled in config. Gurch (talk) 20:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

removing user's access to huggle?
Hi Gurch, I was looking at the instructions for huggle and despite seeing reference to it in some of the archives I couldn't easily discover how to remove a user's access to it. Can I get some help? Thanks! Syrthiss (talk) 12:11, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Huggle question
What does the red box with the black dot in the middle mean on the IRC side? Tommy2010 00:12, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:Huggle
Hi Gurch, I still cannot login with Huggle 0.9.5. What is the problem ? Did I make an error? Best regards --Jivee Blau (talk) 00:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:HG
A friend of mine in es:wiki talked about you and your participation in HG. I would like to include a project in this program. How can I do it? Thanks in advance for your response. Regards Ricardo (Rrmsjp) Wiktionary 04:08, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply: Re:Day
You deserve it as you have biggest credit for wiki ads. --Extra 999 (Contact me +  contribs) 15:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Adminship
You should be an admin. Is it OK if I nominate you? ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 18:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are better uses of your time. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Mate, apart from Huggle maintenance, he's basically inactive. Orphan Wiki  13:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Issues with Huggle 0.9.6
Hi Gurch,

When I try to log into Huggle it gives me the message 'unable to connect to the remote server'

Any ideas as to what's causing this?

Thanks, The  Suave  16:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Logs of Reversions
Hi Gurch, this is the author of STiki. We had some previous conversation about the relationship of our tools -- but I now come to you for a different reason. I was curious if you had logs of the RIDs which your tool issued a particular warning. In particular, I would like to gleam the edits your users classified as spam.

Of course, one could go searching through the UserTalk namespace and look for template additions and then parse out the 'diff/RID' in question. I thought you might have a quicker listing. The "edit summaries" left by Huggle seem a little generic, in that they don't provide RIDs or the reason for reversion, correct? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I wanna use huggle
In Huggle config there is an option to require rollbacker rights to use it. Can you please turn that off? T3h  1337   b0y  00:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I already replied to that on the feedback page. Gurch (talk) 08:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Reply from Bodnotbod
Hi there, thank you for dropping me a message. I didn't think you were harsh; I am certainly not in any way offended and I don't feel the slightest bit ill-treated. What concerns me is that you don't seem to feel that the wind is blowing in the right direction; you seem rather pessimistic about Wikipedia and so I am very interested to learn why. I am still very much in the "wow! Isn't this great!" stage with Wikipedia. But obviously many things are far from perfect. So I basically just wanted to hear a bit more about what factors you feel are holding Wikipedia back. As I say, if you're open to talking about that a bit (or throwing some links at me), I would listen keenly. However, if you find yourself rather too busy (either with work on here or in real life) then that's OK too; don't feel obliged. Take care. --bodnotbod (talk) 00:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Thanks very much for taking the time to provide that list of impediments to new volunteers. Many of the things you list I wasn't at all aware of. Others I knew about but hadn't given much thought to. And, even if I had become aware of them individually over a period of time, I doubt I would have put all the pieces together to draw a conclusion on the extent to which they build such a barrier to new editors.


 * As you discovered I have been here a long while. I think I joined at an excellent time; I had fun editing without citing sources (nobody said I had to!), introducing my own value judgements (not on controversial issues, stuff like saying "this was one of the scariest children's programmes ever broadcast") and a whole heap of things that wouldn't be accepted now and that I would no longer do.


 * So it is hard for me to put myself in the position of someone coming here and editing for the first time, because when I arrived the climate was so different.


 * I was unaware of the exceptions made for admins (since I am not an admin), so as well as not grasping the newbie point of view, I didn't grasp the admin POV either.


 * In short you have provided me with quite an education. Thank you.


 * I'm currently in a groove of doing work on en:wp that I'm comfortable with and I intend to keep plugging away at that. But I plan to return to your message and give it some thought. I would certainly recommend that you consider posting something on strategy.wikimedia.org - there's two ways you could go about that; you could either start an article in the Wikimedia-pedia, perhaps called something like "barriers to new volunteers" or, if you have a proposal to tackle the issues put something in the proposal namespace.


 * If you do either of those things, drop me a message with the links and I will help out if I can. If not, perhaps I will do something like that myself at a later date.


 * For my own part, when using Huggle, I have tried to become gentle on new users; instead of warning after one edit (even if it's obvious vandalism, "yo mama!" etc) I will post a welcome template and revert without issuing a warning. Also, if I see a talk page that only has warnings on it but where a welcome has not been given, I will post a welcome anyway. I once got told off for this, but the way I see it the welcome template has a number of useful links. So even though I don't exactly feel welcoming I think it's good to put those links in front of the user. Absolutely everyone I spot, who does not yet have a talk page, gets a welcome from me.


 * I entertain the thought of drafting a Huggle "best practices" page on occasion and that could be an opportunity to try and develop more friendly procedures, at least as far as your users are concerned, whether I'll finally get around to that I'm not so sure. And I realise such a thing would not address the barriers you've explained to me, such as blocks on page creation.


 * Thanks again for taking the time to inform me. What you say is very thought provoking. If I take any actions based on what you've said I'll get in touch. --bodnotbod (talk) 12:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Interwikitmp
A tag has been placed on Template:Interwikitmp requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (&lt;noinclude>&#123;{transclusionless}}&lt;/noinclude>).

Thanks. Axem Titanium (talk) 10:41, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Dudley C. Rutherford
I was using Huggle, saw a vandal had inserted defamatory material on Dudley C. Rutherford into Catholic Church and Orthodox Judaism and removed it. Then I got curious, did a search on the name, and found several more, e.g. Unemployment, Action for Children, The Village Voice etc.. All the first and only edit for an IP, same material pasted in. Is there a way to put this name and variants into a redflag list of some sort? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:35, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You're thinking of the abuse filter. But don't put it there either, because there are enough over-specific filters slowing things down as it is. Gurch (talk) 16:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I suppose repeats will keep getting spotted and reverted in the normal way. A fresh search shows more of them on Halakha, Poindexter, Alvin Karpis and Stephen Clancy Hill which have all been reverted by different editors. A Google search gives Dorothy Good, Witch-hunt, NBC Studios, NBC, Action for Children and American Red Cross. They have all been reverted too. Who knows how many more there have been or will be? The process is working, but the vandal is wasting editors' effort. I don't know how much automatic controls and filters should be used if they risk discouraging new contributors. I do know this kind of vandalism discourages me. Aymatth2 (talk) 04:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Just for fun I started Dudley C. Rutherford. Maybe it will act as a focus for the vandalism. But now I am completely stuck on how to de-orphan the page short of starting a set of related articles. Mega-churches Christian or otherwise are not really my thing. I don't suppose you have any suggestions? Aymatth2 (talk) 02:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Nobody cares listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Nobody cares. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:Nobody cares redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Huggle
How can I download that? --☯ The Dark Lord of Wiki ☯ ( talk) 23:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you tried the button labelled "Download" at Huggle? – iride scent  23:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

File:Fnord.png missing description details
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Wikipedia ads
Template:Wikipedia ads has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 21:39, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

How to improve the 3RR noticeboard
Hello Gurch. You did the last major improvement in how the reports are submitted at WP:AN3. (You did the 'Click here to add a new report' button). Do you have time to discuss some further ideas? I wish there was some way to automate the creation of the section header for each new 3RR report, in the form:. (People get this wrong all the time). Can the currently-used Inputbox extension be coaxed to allow this? Please reply on my talk page if you are willing to comment. The impulse for this work was some stuff that User:Netalarm did, but the next step is not obvious. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It can't be completely automated. The "inputbox" extension makes no provision for section titles of new sections. The section header can be filled in from a link, but it will still have to contain two "Fill these in" sections for the user's username and reported user's username. These are currently in the text of the section itself. Gurch (talk) 16:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage
Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * your bot is stupid and fail. i alraedy posted there. Gurch (talk) 00:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * no u --MZMcBride (talk) 05:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Banner Question
Hello, I was wondering if you still worked on banners. If so, could you make one for WP:VIRGINIA? You can have free reign on how it should look, but might I suggest the Seal of Virginia somewhere? This isn't something that has to be done immediately, but at your leisure. Thanks and Have a Good Day... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 08:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Why is your userpage pure vandalism? --Chemicalinterest (talk) 13:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. I LOVE CH...damn, stop it now! Special Cases Spit out your comments 10:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedies
I see you don't like my speedy templates - it took you a long while to not like them (>1 year). I use them all the time, it's just identical the same system that Twinkle uses using the standard Template messages/User talk namespace messages, so it was compatible not complicated. I know others use them as well. Now I will have to add all of them to my config, and manually check the warning level each time, or jump into Twinkle. I think that's more complicated. C'ést la vie.  Ron h jones (Talk) 00:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * There is already a template for telling people not to remove speedy deletion tags, in the template messages list. Why on earth would you want to issue such messages with a four-level warning system? If they remove the template twice, either they read the message and decided to ignore it, in which case just leave generic warnings until they can be blocked, or they didn't read the message, in which case what makes you think leaving the same message three more times will have any effect? Gurch (talk) 12:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The same argument would apply to the standard warnings Template messages/User talk namespace where there are uw-speedy1,uw-speedy2,uw-speedy3,uw-speedy4 (also used by Twinkle), but those are there, and I have seen them often used as well. In general removal of speedies is a novice user, changing the message to vandalism after one speedy message could confuse them.  Ron h jones (Talk) 16:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, the same argument applies to the "standard" warnings. Most of them are unnecessary, redundant or overly aggressive, and those that aren't are often so verbose I can't imagine users ever read them. This is, of course, part of the reson Huggle has its own, intentionally terse and limited, warnings in the first place. Gurch (talk) 16:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You are probably right there. I'm sure that there are many more warnings in that set than there was, say, 12-18 months ago.
 * P.S. I assume that the line "speedy;Removal of speedy deletion template," also needs to be deleted in Huggle/Config under Warning Types" as it now points to non-existent templates.  Ron h jones (Talk) 18:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Final warning templates
Some user wants the final warning templates to be changed back from last back to final because it sounds it stronger.  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   19:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Huggle not working
Hi Gurch. There is a discussion over at WP:HG/F regarding something that has gone wrong with HG preventing us from using it. If you have any ideas or suggestions, you might want to weigh in here. Thanks! —  Spike Toronto  18:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hello. I send you mail that asks idea of branching for code localization or joining of me. :) Thank you --Was a bee (talk) 04:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I sent mail. I want to join development about cross-language aspect (like this or this). Briefly I do not make big change. I only make small fix in area of localizations. I don't reduce usability of en.wiki user to fixing cross-language feature. I hope you can find my mail from spam-box. --Was a bee (talk) 11:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Huggle is a great program!
Hi Gurch. I think that Huggle is a great program! I have always been impressed with how it works. I was very surprised to see it be pulled down tonight. I understand that it is because of this. But, maybe there is nothing wrong. Perhaps that editor is just selecting the wrong version to revert back to. If all one does is look at only the one diff that HG puts on the screen, then one doesn’t always get the big picture. I saw one of that editor’s similar reverts this afternoon where he eventually used Popups to revert to the last clean version. But, that was just because one had to go back almost 10 diffs to a clean version in the first place. So, the fact that some vandalism remained was not HG’s fault. It’s up to us who use it to look at an article’s history to get the big picture, and to look carefully after reverting with HG to make sure we ought to have gone back even further. Not doing so seems to me to be human error more than HG error. It probably also doesn’t help it run smoothly when people other than you go and make unilateral changes to the global config file. Well, that’s my 2¢ worth. I really think Huggle is a great program. Without it, Wikipedia is going to become the property of the vandals. I hope you reconsider. Thanks! —  Spike Toronto  06:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

*hug*
<3 sonia ♫  10:46, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

* cuddle* —  Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  • 8:18am • 21:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

File:Rollback_example.png listed for deletion
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By the by
"This seems like an excuse to make meaningless edits to hundreds of thousands of articles for no reason. " If you believe that, then please help prevent these edits by going and voting for the - although it already has the highest vote of any open bug. Rich Farmbrough, 20:19, 20 November 2010 (UTC).

Huggle
Hi gurch, I would like to participate on development I know vb and c++ if you would like to have more members in your team let me know Petrb (talk) 20:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Huggle question
Question for you about Huggle: is there anyway to make a queue that contains only edits tagged by a certain edit filter? I asked this question at WP:HG/F a week ago and I have gotten no response yet. Usb10 Connected? 17:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

UK Community Notice - IRC meeting
Dear Wikipedian,

This is the first of what will hopefully be a regular notice to help bring together the UK community so that you can be involved in some amazing things. To kick things off, there will be a UK community IRC meeting at 1800 UTC, December 7, 2010 to discuss the future growth and developement of Wikimedia UK. Without huge community support and involvement, the chapter cannot be successful and to get the most out of it, get involved.

For information on the community IRC meeting please go here

More to come about:
 * Wikipedia 10th Anniversary Events
 * 1st Annual UK Wiki-conference
 * Trustee interest meeting - an event for those community members with even just a fleeting interest in becoming trustees of Wikimedia UK.

Many Thanks
 * Joseph Seddon
 * User:Seddon

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UK IRC community meeting
Just a quick reminder about the IRC meeting at 1800 UTC tonight to bring together the Wikimedia community in the UK to help the growth and success of the UK chapter and community activities. For information see Community_IRC_meetings


 * Many Thanks
 * Joseph Seddon


 * User:Seddon

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File:Qxz-ad34.gif listed for deletion
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*hug* back
Hey, remember when you gave me a hug here? I never properly hugged you back, so

* hug* T ofutwitch11 ''' (T ALK ) 01:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Foob listed at Redirects for discussion
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Drmspeedy2-n
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Drmspeedy3-n
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Drmspeedy4-n
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File:Rollback_example.png listed for deletion
Just letting you know that I posted here on your commons talk page http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gurch that the file you have uploaded has been nominated for deletion by me because I have replaced it with formatted text. If you have any reason to keep it please use the commons pages to explain why. Alex³ (talk) 21:07, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Huggle bug
Hey Gurch, can you tell me about this bug report? It was encountered after I attempted to update to Huggle 2.1.6.

Win32Exception: %1 is not a valid Win32 application at System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEx(ProcessStartInfo startInfo) at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(ProcessStartInfo startInfo) at System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(String fileName) at Huggle.UpdateForm.UpdateDone(RequestResult Result) at Huggle.Requests.Request.ThreadDone at Huggle.Misc.CallbackInvoke(Object TargetObject)

Any suggestions?  I'm Flightx52 and I approve this message  02:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note, It is probably worth taking this to Huggle/Feedback. Gurch is not currently actively developing Huggle and you may find a faster response on the huggle feedback page.  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 22:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

File:Gurch-barnstars.png listed for deletion
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