User talk:Gurubrahma/Archive08

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Please add new archivals to User talk:Gurubrahma/Archive09. (See How to archive a talk page.) Thank you. --Gurubrahma 18:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the DYK box on Talk:Hutsonville Bridge
I probably should go fix the list on my user page now too, I forgot about UTC vs local time. BTW I'm 5 for 5 now... I know self noms aren't as good as ones people spot, but I'm just pleased as punch that I've managed to get 5 articles selected. When do I get my prize? LOL... kidding. (you can preferably answer here if needed, probably isn't, but I watch convos I start) ++Lar: t/c 15:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if you really want a prize, you should participate on WP:BAP to make the DYK barnstar a reality; hope to see either a DYK barnstar or a DYK medal ready by the time I return from my wiki break. ;) 8) --Gurubrahma 17:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Another query
Hi there. I wonder whether imports from 100-year-old encyclopaedias may be classified as "new articles". Is there any policy on this? --Ghirla | talk 16:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Adding licensing info
I uploaded on behalf of somebody. I left out the licensing info at the time because I didn't know what to add. Where I can add it for this image now. Can't find any place for that. Thanks, Tintin Talk 16:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) Tintin Talk 17:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Reply to comments re:PII
Hi Gurubrahma - thanks for your thumbs up on the article!

I've already addressed nixie's points - noted below Saravask's comments. I've had a lot of re-writes on the opener - its bludy difficult to include all the points you correctly say should be introduced. Another user had just commented on the need to shorten the length of the opener. But since the first para does a lot to include the important points and introduce the subject, I don't think it should be messed with - especially as "political integration" is not a technical term with a concise definition. I wanted "Thousands of years" into the opener so that it delivers the full impact of what we're talking about - I've added a link to history of India there, and it has a factual basis, at least in terms of territorial extent. I rmvd the more problematic Mauryan empire link a while ago. The order of conflicts - Junagadh, Kashmir and Hyderabad are mentioned so becoz the chronology is important when one is noting Patel's actions - R. Gandhi explains that Patel considered Hyderabad more important to Kashmir (he let Nehru take over the latter and waited out Mountbatten on Hyderabad before making the kill). Plus, once Hyderabad was in, India was strategically secure as in its present territorial extent (no unusual problems).

Once again, thanks for your help on a piece of work very meaningful to me. Enjoy your break! Rama&#39;s Arrow 17:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks
thanks for following up my copy vio report on battle of berlin.--Jayanthv86 17:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Republic Day wishes
Thank you.i saw on your talk page that you wont be available on R-Day.So,Happy republic day in advance to you also my friend.and happy holiday from wikipedia.I must take some time off from wikipedia too,and fast.--Jayanthv86 17:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Ravi Shankar Disambiguation
Hi, I do not quite understand your message. There are a number of links that pointed to Ravi Shankar, that were not the musician. It was my hope to disambiguate these, by pointing them to Ravi Shankar (musician), Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Ravi Shankar (poet), etc. Then, what that was done, move or point the disambiguation page to Ravi Shankar. That way, if editors add new links to Ravi Shankar, they will hopefully notice that they should disambiguate.

I did not make Ravi Shankar a disambiguation page initially, because I imagined it would confuse me in going through the links.

Please let me know what you think. Thanks --BostonMA 18:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm taking a short break. Please leave me a note on my talk page. --BostonMA 18:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll look into it--Commander Keane 19:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Greetings
Greetings on India’s 57th Republic Day. --Bhadani 08:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

New Main Page Election talks
A discussion has begun on how to handle an official election for replacing the Main Page. To ensure it is set up sensibly and according to consensus, your input is needed there. --Go for it! 22:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Help required
Hey..Did as you asked. Now see his reply. -- Pamri &bull; Talk 07:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi
Hi Gurubrahma - hope you enjoyed your break. The Political integration of India is now FA, and I've put up another article, Lothal for peer review. I hope to have your help on that, but there's an important issue I wish to discuss here: I know that by adding huge amounts of improperly formatted information, I screwed up the Mahatma Gandhi article and endangered its FA status. I stand by the quality/credibility of info, but I know now from my recent FA experience that it doesn't help in present form. Presently, the article is 66kb despite the removal of content to The Leadership of Mahatma Gandhi.

I want to solve this entire problem - I want to raise this article back to top qualtiy. But I'm gonna need your active advice and help. Here's what I think is nececessary:


 * 1) The size should be reduced from 66kb to as close to 50kb as possible.
 * 2) The "Vision and Principles" section must be reformatted and compressed.
 * 3) In-line citations are necessary. I can provide a lot of those from my sources.
 * 4) The "Criticism" section needs to be more comprehensive.
 * 5) The "Contents" box must be smaller - re-formatting necessary.
 * 6) Fancruft and POV need to be filtered out.
 * 7) The Leadership article (NPOV disputed, and I agree) needs either to be re-formatted, or deleted. I'm prepared to do anything to elevate the main article.
 * 8) The References need a few templates - my mistake of creating another article was happily reverted.
 * 9) Need to use tools like "INCOTW", etc. to build a consensus on article reform. (Maybe, we will need to re-submit for a new FA nomination...I don't know).

Lemme know what you think, of what you want me to do. I'm sorry to say that in good conscience I would have to vote down the article's FA status in the present state, but I'm prepared to do copious work to correct the problems.

Jai Sri Rama! Rama&#39;s Arrow 08:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi - I've recently expanded Rama and am working to make it a great FA. I hope you'll give me your criticism on its ongoing peer review. Jai Sri Rama! Rama&#39;s Arrow 09:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hi, I think we both support the DYK barnstar proposal, do you know how we go about making it official?--nixie 01:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad you're back, there are so may suggestions at the moment that the 4 updates a day are necessary - I can only get three done a day if I want to sleep! The medal is probably a good idea, but I'm not sure were to go from there, I know a good illustrator who could knowk something together if we offered some suggestions.--nixie 00:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
 '''Many thanks for participating in my RfA. Although you voted neutral, I appreciate the kind comments you made and hope we'll be able to collaborate on something in the future. All the best, Jamyskis Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 16:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

*My* RfA
Thanks for supporting my RfA. It suceeded 71/1/0, so now I can get to work on Requested Moves ;) Ashibaka tock 00:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanksss!!
Thanks for being a great help by giving me all those links! They really helped!! Thanks !! Hariharan91 20:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Berlin (air)
Please see: Talk:Battle of Berlin (air) --Philip Baird Shearer 17:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

In action again
So you are now back in action after your short break. Nice to see you in action. --Bhadani 15:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the advice on minor edits and on using summaries. I will begin using summaries so that users can more easily track what I have done. Thanks for the input. Arundhati Bakshi 18:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

mahatma gandhi
saw the move at mg to mohandas gandhi, was wondering what to do abt it when you fixed it. thanks. --Pournami 06:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

need advice
i saw that mahatma gandhi was moved to mohandas gandhi by cut and paste. was confused how to list it for fixing. the instruction at WP:SPLICE is confusing. it says article which has been moved: that means original location of article or new one? where must i place  ? on the talk page at new location?-Pournami
 * 1) Place   on the talk page of the article which has been moved.
 * 2) List the article on this page, under the "List of cut-and-page moves to be redone properly" section.

also, what happens to the edit history of the new article? now, you've fixed the cut and paste move, but the revisions on the new location: has not appeared in the edit history of fixed original article? -Pournami

forget mg. i was asking a general doubt. the above instruction at that page is really confusing. -Pournami

hi guru, see if i've fixed it right, will you? TIA ---Pournami 12:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

i looked at the preview of what the capmv generates. says:

This article has been moved from NAME OF PAGE THE ARTICLE WAS CUT FROM via cut and paste. An administrator should merge the page histories of the two articles, following the instructions at Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves. Please also list this at WP:SPLICE, and explain which pages were affected by the move. This template should be used on talk pages only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pournami (talk • contribs)

PDB
Yeah, I echo your concerns. He is difficult to handle, but you'll have to be firm. Since he has been warned before, periodically remind him that a repeated failure to discuss the issue could get himself blocked. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  09:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * ANI would be the first step. But do talk to him. You can ask another admin to intervene. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  11:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

CC
Next time you have something to say, CC it to ALL relevant parties, not only to those who patronize you. Thats incivil, IEO.Pizzadeliveryboy 15:32, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

/* Tripuraneni Ramaswamy chowdary */
Thank you for correcting. No honorifics. Yes Sir. Generally! What is generally may I ask? "well it depends on when was the signature from. (I guess it is from Later part of his life when he became more iconoclastic). I do agree that Ramaswamy is bigger than the narrow caste confines", was a comment left by a anon visitor to the kaviraju.blogspot.com

The signature of Ramaswamy very clearly mentions the date signed. Please visit and ascertain for yourself. He himself loved to be known as a Ramaswamy. There is an interesting anecdote to that. But that is besides the point. Don't you think that the tarnished history should be corrected? The future generations deserve a better knowledge world.Don't you think so? Aren't we here on this page now just for THAT?

When one visits Wikipedia she looks for the authenticity of the material that is present there. As you rightly pointed out, the article may, can and or should mention the fact that "he is against casteism" to quote your own words. But are we not perpetuating what others had 'imposed and or attributed 'their' own interests to be his own? The records at the municipality in the Town he was a chairman for three consecutive terms mentions his 'popular' name to be 'Tripuraneni Ramaswamy' not ' Ramaswamy Choudary/Chowdary". When a child is named 'bujji' do you record it's name to be bujji or the one given to it by it's parents or the society that it adopts? Is it enough that one can be called by a 'nick' and chronicle her biography with that 'name'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anil atluri (talk • contribs)

Thank you "Another thing to note:- If the article were retained at 'KAVIRAJU'..., people would have problems in finding it because they would search for "Tripuraneni..." or even may be "Kaviraju", but never "'KAVIRAJU'". You are right again. Let it be where she can find it easily --Ramaswamy Tripuraneni. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anil atluri (talk • contribs) --Gurubrahma 13:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Bhoot
Excellent job; I've since changed my opinion. Cheers. PJM 17:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Did you know
I'm sorry you've already notified Jengod, but the item clearly does not meet the qualifications for DYK. It's not even an article.--Pharos 05:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't recall lists ever much being posted there, and certainly "list" is never used in any guideline. And I am especially reluctant to prominently feature such a small and relatively unannotated list as this (not that it's the creator's fault of course, certainly this is an inherently limited topic.)  I would surely support you on a higher bar for minimum article length, even if it meant a marginally longer interval between updates.  Thanks.--Pharos 06:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Main Page and DYK template - oops & thanx
Hi, I am sorry about the above and thanks for correcting me. My cause for concern was that POTD etc. had a template for each day - all the features on main page except DYK are updated only once in a day and hence I was confused with your original edit summary. I hope you have informed User:AllyUnion of the change to Template:Did you know as mentioned in the instructions there. It is required as one of his bots helps in archiving purposes and any changes in the formatting throw it out of whack. --Gurubrahma 06:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello! No worries about the misunderstanding.  I missed the instruction about contacting AllyUnion, and I'll be sure to do that immediately.  Thanks for the tip!  :-)  &mdash;David Levy 06:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks (DYK)
Thank you for notifying me about Xianxingzhe being included in the DYK section. It was interesting! Shawnc 11:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

administrator
how did you become an administrator, just by posting alot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ch25violet (talk • contribs)

Nikolay Yakovlevich Danilevsky DYK
Thanks for letting me know; my first DYK in over 30,000 edits... --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 23:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Template ideas
Thank you for your kind words. May I trouble you too look here ? I am planning on adjusting the selftest template as well to allow for the choice of namepage, and eventually, I think all the canonical "test" templates should have options; eliminating the redundancy of the test? and test?-n template. Your thoughts, advice, and spreading the discussion to others would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Avi 15:51, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Hobbsie
Hey, thanks for the note - I've left a warning on the (potentail) sock's talk page, and I'll keep an eye on it to see if they keep posting nonsense. Cheers! --P e ruvianLlama(spit) 20:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi
Hi - I didn't have time until now to address the problems as promised, but I should have them addressed by Friday. I will start a peer review after I finish the work to gather a consensus on what was done/needs to be done now. I have listed The Leadership of Mahatma Gandhi for deletion, becoz I now feel it is only a collection of perspectives and analyses, full of POV language that does not serve the purpose of the main article. Please give your vote at the deletion page. Rama&#39;s Arrow 04:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Test2b
Template:Test2b has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for deletion. Thank you. -- Avi 14:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Vera Kholodnaya
Hello, I nominated the article for WP:DYK but have trouble to determine under which date it should be listed. It was initiated by me as a stub several months ago, then was expanded by User:Ted Wilkes on February 5, and then was eventually unstubbed by me today. I listed it under "February 5", but it's for you to decide which date is more appropriate. --Ghirla | talk 16:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Bangalore Peer review
Hello Gurubrahma,

A peer-review for the Bangalore article is currently under way. I invite you to please provide your thoughts and valuable insight to help improve the quality of the article before we push the article for a FA nomination. Details of recent work done to consolidate and clean-up the article can be found on Talk:Bangalore ("To-do List"). Thanks! AreJay 19:15, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Vivek Paul
Plse stop adding perceptions and "it is perceived" and "it was noticed" crap to Vivek Paul page. What you state is simply wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.241.250.130 (talk • contribs)

Proposed deletion
I hadn't known about this category. Shall start looking at that also. I promise to expand Raju in March. I am still away from India and would do it as soon as I am back. Tintin (talk) 14:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Scouting Star

 * I saw the revert, but no talk. I proposed the star as a topic award, and not a PUA. evrik 15:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I replied to the discussion page. I think that the award is broad enough and should stay where it is.evrik 16:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven’t had the time today to address your comments on civility, but I wanted to clarify my remarks to make them less offensive. I did not strike my comments because I did not remove any text. Would you please post on my talk page an authoritative source that says it’s bad form to edit ones own comments after they have been commented on. Also, could you please cite the source that says that editing in this fashion can get someone blocked from wikipedia. evrik 18:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't want to be a pain, but if you are going to threaten me by having me blocked, you could at least back it up with some specifics.evrik 19:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I just left a very long response on the talk page. I disgaree with your opinion (but am offering an olive branch).

Gandhi PR
The Gandhi peer review is on. I've made some edits to start the problem-solving. Rama&#39;s Arrow 16:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Regarding your views on "Hindutva" and "Hindu nationalism" - I think V.D. Savarkar's formulations (and accompanying controversies), and the political agendas of the BJP are "Hindutva."


 * "Hindu nationalism" is grander in the sense of (1) Shivaji and other folks resisting the tyranny and anti-Hindu pogroms of Muslim monarchs, (2) Lokmanya Tilak (3) Lala Lajpat Rai (4) the incorporation of Hindu philosophy and culture into freedom struggle and politics by Mohandas Gandhi, and (5) the defence of Hindus against League propaganda undertaken by Sardar Patel. A lot of the "Hindu nationalism" is often asserting the interests of the wider nation against some opponent ideology like Jinnah's two-nation theory, but Tilak, Lajpat Rai and Gandhi also revived lot of Hindu national, cultural ethos. Rama&#39;s Arrow 16:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:DYK
Hi, I don't think this was fair. We need to update the template more often, not to delete nominations like this. --Ghirla | talk 19:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Indian COTW
You voted for Maruti Udyog, this week's Indian Colloboration of the Week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Ganeshk  ( talk ) 21:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Tandon query and Gandhi PR
He worked as the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the present-day Uttar Pradesh for a period of 13 years, from July 31, 1937 to August 10, 1950


 * Hi - I want to ask you, does this statement mean Tandon did not resign in 1939 with the World War II outbreak, or take part in Quit India? According to R. Gandhi, all elected Congressmen resigned in 1939 when the INC protested the unilateral insertion of India into the conflict, and did not return to office until elections in 1946. For a man who became Congress president in 1950, I consider this highly unlikely as he would have no esteem left in the party if he hadn't resigned. Rama&#39;s Arrow 22:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Regarding your PR criticism - my edits were to start bringing the article in line with FA guidelines. I did not simply remove material - in-line citations, lead retooling, expansion of "Criticism" are important constructive edits. The material I removed was in violation of FA guidelines - repetitive, POV, unsourced and judgmental. The entire "Vision for India" was importing R. Gandhi's viewpoint. I completely respect the need for proper dialogue and consensus before action, but my initiative here sets a mark of action and seriousness on a long-delayed, much-needed effort. Thank you however, for being forthright and helping me spot any mistakes that I might make. Rama&#39;s Arrow 22:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your message
Thanks for the suggestions. I will try my best to add more WP:ES and use Show Preview. I have placed speedy on all my sandbox work. They are gone now. I will take a took at Rani Rudrama Devi when I get a chance. I am currently putting up WikiProject Politics of India. That project is much needed. Wikipedia could be a single source for all biographies of Indian politicians. Our little contribution to the Indian democracy. Hopefully people will sign up. - Ganeshk  ( talk ) 05:45, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for picking my two new articles for DYK. I had a nice wikibreak and am now slowly returning - so it was a nice 'welcome back' to see your notes! ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 10:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The Original Barnstar for DYK Updation - moved to Appreciation --Gurubrahma 11:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

14th Lok Sabha
Thanks for letting me know. You saved me a lot of effort. And please do join WP:POI. Thanks, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 17:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Anytime
Glad to help. I can't stand it when users resort to that. Cheers. PJM 17:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Welcome Message
I have some questions about the Welcoming Committee User Greeting, as I am a relatively new user. As you are a more experienced user, can you look over my welcome message? Does the message have any problems to it or can I start to use it? -- T B C ??? ???  ??? 23:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Vikas Khanna
This article has appeared again but it doesn't look an obvious copyvio this time. Someone had put a speedy tag but I moved it to AfD. Tintin (talk) 03:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Gandhi sub-articles and title
Hi Gurubrahma - a user:Saiswa has created two sub-articles: Criticism of Gandhi and Gandhi's comments on various religions. While his input/contributions are valued (I've asked him to join the peer review), these are not appropriate, nor is their content independent - its just like the "Leadership" article, only copy/paste of contents from Mahatma Gandhi. Although sub-articles are a good way to solve the size problem, I'm not in favor of retaining either of these, as they undermine the main FA by deleting material from it, inserting POV and producing unnecessary articles. What do you feel should be done? I have nothing against this person, but I feel that these ill-advised actions have undermined the job of cleanup. Rama&#39;s Arrow 15:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)