User talk:Gustavobaldo

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Speedy deletion nomination of Jupiter Icy moons Explorer Mission


A tag has been placed on Jupiter Icy moons Explorer Mission requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://sci.esa.int/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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September 2013
Hello, I'm Flat Out. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Exploration of Jupiter, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from Jupiter Icy moons Explorer Mission, a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Click here to contest this speedy deletion and appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. ''' Flat Out   let's discuss it   10:11, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio
Hey, I thought I'd explain why I still deleted the page and moved it to User:Gustavobaldo/Jupiter Icy moons Explorer Mission. The long and short of it is that we can't take word for word text from any source. You can give brief quotes, but ultimately everything that is submitted to Wikipedia should be re-written in your own words. Part of this is to ensure that whomever wrote the original text or wherever they posted it do not come and try to sue Wikipedia for copyright infringement. The other part of it is that in most cases the text isn't neutrally written or written in a manner that would be helpful for the average person coming into Wikipedia. For example, it's in the ESA's best interest to write up their data to be interesting and to promote the ESA, even if indirectly so. That means that they might include a buzz word or two that makes people assume that the article is written from a pro-ESA stance.

The other big reason why we tend to re-write things is that many times the pages in question aren't written in a manner that is easy for the typical layperson to understand. That's really the biggest problem with this article, as you mostly just give technical specs and everything is sort of written in a choppy manner. It doesn't really flow and as such it's a little confusing at times. I'd recommend that you re-write it in more of a paragraph format similar to say, Mars Exploration Rover or Interface Region Imaging Spectrograph. Listing data like you have tends to only interest a few and while I'm not saying that you should outright exclude the hard core space scientists, this information tends to detract from an article more than add to it. It's also hard to tell exactly all of what's going on. Is this a manned mission? An unmanned probe mission? It doesn't state any of that information, which is important. You should never write an encyclopedia article assuming that anyone coming into the page will be automatically familiar with what you're discussing.

An example of how you could re-write a portion of the article is as follows: "The Jupiter Icy moons Explorer Mission has a projected launch date of June 2022. Calculations predict that the probe will reach Jupiter's orbit in January 2030, where it will study Callisto and Europa. The probe will complete several flybys of each icy moon before moving to Ganymede in 2032, where it will observe several circular phases at various altitudes. If successful, the mission will be completed in 2033." This give a more fluid summary of what is going on and emphasizes that this is a project that has yet to actually launch and that these are just projected calculations of how long the tour will take.

Now that aside, the article also has problems with sourcing. You only use primary sources from the ESA. The problem is that primary sources cannot show notability and not every probe mission is automatically noteworthy. You must show that this proposed mission has received enough coverage to merit its own article at this point in time. Given that this is still in preliminary stages, it would take an awful lot to show notability, as space missions are cancelled or put on indefinite hold all the time. You'd show notability through stuff such as news reports and the like.

In any case, you have a copy to work on in your userspace for right now. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)