User talk:Gutaworks

Galija

 * 1) Besides having an album which consists entirely of covers of traditional songs (Južnjačka uteha, 1999), which would be enough for Galija to be classified as a folk rock act, some of the songs from their other albums have folk music elements, so they should be classified as a folk rock band.
 * 2) Thank You Ostalocutanje but I tend to disagree. In my opinion, ethno rock, if any, would be much more appropriate definition for Galija's work than folk rock. I did not change the article but please be so kind to consider doing it Yourself. Gutaworks (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Well, there is no article about "ethno rock" on Wikipedia, and I don't believe that term is used by the Western critics. There is a thesis about the existence of the genre specific for the former Yugoslavia, which could be called (and is by some) "Balkan rock". I think Galija could be categorized as a Balkan rock band, but the bands which are categorized as Balkan rock - Bijelo Dugme, YU Grupa, Leb i Sol - have a sound that is, in my opinion, very very different than Galija's. However, the term "Balkan rock" is still not accepted even by former Yugoslav critics, so I think we shouldn't spend much time thinking about this. In former Yugoslav countries, there is a certain pejorative note in the term "folk rock" - mostly because of the works of Bijelo Dugme, of course - but that wouldn't worry me - people outside Balkans don't see the pejorative in the term "folk rock".


 * 1) For two bands to be associated acts, they need to have at least one member which played in both of those two bans, that is why Riblja Čorba, Bijelo Dugme, Smak, YU Grupa and Piloti can not be associated to Galija.
 * 2) Thank You very much for this explanation, I didn't know that. I am sorry that I changed the associated acts section in a wrong way. Gutaworks (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) It is very nice that you have posted an image of Galija from the 1990s, but there was no need for removing Nenad Milosavljević's image from the article. Ostalocutanje (talk) 13:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Thanks again, the only reason that I've replaced Nenad's image with the image of Galija live on stage is that the article is about Galija and not about Nenad Milosavljević. Please consider replacing Nenad's picture with one that shows at least three members of the band, if not all of them. Gutaworks (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Wikipedia strictly follows the copyright laws, and it is very hard for us (I'm talking about several of us who are working on and maintaining articles about Serbian rock bands) to find images that can be used on Wikipedia. If the band doesn't exist anymore, you can use a copyrighted image, but only if there is no chance of the band reuniting (for an example, one or more members are dead). Between you and me, two images of Galija which are used in the article are probably used against Wikipedia policy - they are used because Stojan Čupić, present on both of them, isn't alive - but the band is still active, and for the bands that are active, you must use a free image, or the image with the proper licence; the policy about this is very complicated. That's why we used Neša's image - it was the only image with proper licence we could find. Articles about numerous famous bands have individual photos of their members incorporated into them.

In the future, please answer me on my talk page, because it would be easier for me to follow. And I have to ask you a question - I said I won't, but I just have to. Your nick indicates that you might be, well, let's say very very closely associated with the band. Am I right? P.S. If you speak Serbian/Serbo-Croatian, we could stop discussing in English. Ostalocutanje (talk) 23:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Da, govorim srpski jezik i da, moj nick ima direktne veze sa mojim real-world nadimkom. Jedino što na žalost ne znam kako da odgovorim na Vaš/Tvoj talk page pa ako nije problem da dobijem neko uputstvo oko toga? Gutaworks (talk) 17:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ideš na ovo "talk" koje stoji u zagradi iza mog nicka, i kada se otvori rock strana kosrisnika ideš na "new section"... Ostalocutanje (talk) 12:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Pa, ne poznajemo se, ali ja se nadam da znam ko si ti... Ostalocutanje (talk) 21:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Prvo, moram da ti se zahvalim što si rešio da ovu rečenicu ne prepravljaš, iako prema meni kao autoru članka ne moraš da imaš apsolutno nikakvo poštovanje, jer na članke niko ne može imati monopol (mada postoje izvesna ograničenja kada su oni koji su u direktnoj vezi sa temom članka u pitanju, objasniću ti ako te zanima). Istina je, međutim, da sam ja autor samo onog dela koji se tiče Galije nakon 2005. Autor ostatka teksta je Petar Janjatović: u pitanju je prevod teksta o Galiji iz njegove Ex YU Rock enciklpedije, odakle je i preneta sporna rečenica. To da Galija u svojim tekstovima, na omotima itd. nikada nije promovisala nijednu političku partiju ja, kao fan, odlično znam, a to se i u tekstu članka i ne kaže. Skoro sam čitao jedan Nešin intervju u kome govori o tome kako javnost vidi Galiju po tom pitanju. Prošvrljaću malo po netu i pronaći ću reference za obe strane priče. To bi, međutim, značilo da će se u članku o grupi Galija pojaviti odvojena sekcija "Politics", kakva postoji u člancima o Bori Đorđeviću ili Đoršu Balaševiću, a to je nešto što bih ja lično hteo da izbegnem... Evo, da zatražim pomoć u formulisanju toga što bi u članku trebalo da piše - kako bi ti objasnio to što je Galija bila prozvana "režimskim bendom"? Ostalocutanje (talk) 12:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Izvini što se duže nisam javljao, nisam imao pristup internetu. Uglavnom, ubaciću referencu iz Janjatovića u članak o Galiji, a u skorije vreme ću verovatno dopuniti članak podacima iz Vanjine Enciklopedije niškog rocka, na to me je podstakao ovaj razgovor. Ostalocutanje (talk) 15:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Pa, što se tiče linka, on i nije bio nužan, jer je Enciklopedija navedena dole kao glavni izvor. Inače, ima tu jedan momenat koji je meni veoma zanimljiv. Za SPS se obično vezuju negativne konotacije, evo, i mi smo na neki način to i uradili u našem razgovoru, ali za SPS devedesetih, a eto, oni su sada na vlasti... Ali ne bih da zalazim u politiku. Nisam siguran da li ti smeta što se Galija dovodi u vezu sa SPS-om, ili što se dovodi u vezu sa nekom strankom? Ako je ovo prvo u pitanju, to ne bi trebalo da nas brine previše. U svetu je to sasvim normalno, eto, Obamu su podržali i na njegovim mitinzima svirali i pevali Springstin, Areta, Stivi Vonder, Madona i ko sve ne... E sad, što mi ovde mislimo da rok muzičari moraju da budu večita opozicija i što im ne opraštamo politički angažman, zvali se oni Bora Đorđević ili Vlada Divljan... Ali, evo, Kako bi ti to formulisao, na koji način bi (u tekstu) doveo Galiju u vezu sa SPS-om, pošto je neke veze nesumnjivo bilo: 1, 2, 3, tekst Petra Lukovića, koga ja lično smatram nadmenim kretenom, ali još jedna ilustracija, 5, itd. Ostalocutanje (talk) 14:08, 30 June 2011 (UTC)