User talk:Guyinblack25/Archive 13

Merge discussion at Video Game
Have another discussion that your expertise on references and quality of information would be valued in. SharkD wants to merge graphical video game over to video game. Everyone is in agreement the article is a stub and shouldn't exist on it's own. It's just split (1.5 vs 2, and I'm saying 1.5 because I'm not sure how to interpret Xeno's vote) on whether to actually merge the content itself in to video games. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

RFA
I was refered by. I looking at your contributions closely and I feel that you are well-qualified for WP:RFA, interested in a nomination? Just remove that ugly semi-retired tag. Thanks Secret account 22:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Your removal of Google Book and atarimagazines.com links on Sword of Aragon
Hi, Guyinblack25, I have reverted your removal of Google Book and atarimagzine.com links. I have not seen any policy or guideline that discourages inclusion of Google Books links or encourages their removal. I did a search and for the past 3 years, it seems most decisions allowed the inclusion of such links when done in a proper manner and context.


 * Wikipedia talk:Citing sources/Archive 11: Recommendation to use combination of link and reference (July 2006)
 * Wikipedia talk:Citing sources/Archive 15: Helpful but optional (February 2007)
 * Wikipedia talk:External links/Archive 15: Helpful links (February 2007)
 * Help desk/Archives/2007 September 8: Helpful (September 2007)
 * Wikipedia talk:External links/Archive 15: Not copyviolation (January 2008)
 * Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 17: Consensus seems to support use of Google Books (August 2008)
 * Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems/Archive 11: Not copyviolation, not discouraged (October 2008)
 * Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/archive37: Consensus seems to be such links are helpful, but not necessary. They are certainly not discouraged. (May 2009)
 * Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2009 August 21: Google permitted by the copyright holders to display certain pages, their display does not constitute a copyviolation (August 2009)

In short, Google Book links can be used in properly formatted references to help others to verify the referenced text. If I have missed out a later thread that established a decision to exclude such links, I would appreciate it if you point it out (and I will remove all Google Book links from the articles that I still monitor/maintain).

As for atarimagazines.com, http://www.atarimagazines.com/about.html states, "The head of the project, Kevin Savetz, has received permission from the magazines' publishers to make the material available on the Internet for free."

The host has been granted permission by the copyright holders (and not the articles' authors or such); the magazines are still copyrighted but freely displayed by permission of their publishers. This is a case similar to Google Books, and certainly no different from GameSpot's licensing to host Computer Gaming World's content on their website in the early days; many of such GameSpot pages are linked to by WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Online print archive. The two sites are a far cry from those that post scans/transcribes of copyrighted contents without permission. Jappalang (talk) 01:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, just beware of some sites that may have not gotten proper permission. I know of one that offers scans and transcribes of Spectrum, Zap, etc but they have only obtained permission from the authors of those articles, not the publishers.  That means that they did not really get permission from the copyright holders (publishers), hence, their hosting of those articles are still copyviolations.  Jappalang (talk) 01:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, thank you for the Retro Gamer heads up. Unfortunately, neither of their look back on SSI had detailed information on Sword of Aragon, except for that one liner in part one, which I just inserted the quote in full (I wonder if it is a blurb by them...).  The Retro Gamer articles sure is a gold mine for some more serious stuff though.  The SSI lookback could do much for Strategic Simulations, Inc., and various game articles that might need sales figures, such as Pool of Radiance (with that info, it seems possible to make PoR comprehensive enough for FA even...).  Jappalang (talk) 22:54, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

RfA Thanks
MrKIA11 (talk) 12:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Pong Toss
Hmmm, looks like the Peer review was closed. Oh well. Could you still continue it on the talk page? I'll get to implementing your suggestions ASAP! - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

DKC2
Hi, thank you for choosing to do the review for Donkey Kong Country 2. I look forward to your review. NarSakSasLee (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello. Um. Not to rush or anything but can I have some feedback on DKC2? NarSakSasLee (talk) 18:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Your help
Hey Gib. Sorry to hear that you are semi-retire. I hope you can bounce back from your funk. Anyways, I'm at a loss. Can you take a look at The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay again? I placed it on FAC a while ago and it closed yesterday and wasn't promoted. I want to know if there's a problem to it. So, please do it if you have time. Happy New Year's. GamerPro64 (talk) 00:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:VG series and remake reviews
Template:VG series and remake reviews has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 10:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: First scrolling video game
Depends what you mean by "scrolling". Scrolling enemies and player, or scrolling landscape controlled by the player, or both? 1976's Cobra Gunship gave you a scrolling play area, as did 1979's Star Fire and included a scrolling star scape. Both do multi-directional "scrolling". The very first one with a fully detailed scrolling background was Atari's 1978 Sky Raider (which is playable in MAME if you want to verify it your self). This is what was later ported as River Raid by the Activision guys (most of their 2600 games were ports of 70's Atari arcade games). Features full vertical scrolling of the landscape. There's also Super Road Champions from that year (you can see it through out this video here). Atari's Football (1978, seen here) also features full vertical scrolling. Atari's Lunar Lander (1979) of course has full horizontal scrolling of the landscape (which can also be verified here). So in any of the definitions, I don't see where Defender is first at all. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 05:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

re:RG 70
Email sent, thanks for this. -- Sabre (talk) 19:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Awesome. Its slightly blurred on the edge of the last page, but I can just about make out the words. Thanks, this should come in a lot of use. -- Sabre (talk) 20:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Some humor
An article about Gib for Gib (I found this by random, by the way). GamerPro64 (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Characters of Kingdom Hearts's FAR
nominated Characters of Kingdom Hearts for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 (talk) 02:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I noticed this got demoted, but what does it get demoted to? Can it go back to GA, or does it need a new review for that? Just curious if you knew. Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 00:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, good to know. Thanks, MrKIA11 (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * But since it was a GA before it was a FA, and now it's only C, doesn't that mean in the whole picture that it is technically a former GA? MrKIA11 (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Battlezone II
The convo started up there, once again they were trying to get the patch in to the infobox. I tried explaining things, and compromising by putting the IGN link they wanted within the Modifications section, but they're still reaching for straws to get what they want. Since you had the majority of the convo the last time, figured you'd want to weigh in again here. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Spindizzy cover
I believe the max width should be 300px and then for our project the minimum is 250px in width, so i guess anywhere between those to numbers would be suitable. Salavat (talk) 01:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: VG newsletter interview
Sorry, not interested. Maybe some other time. From what I can see, there have only been three featured editors so far (in the last three issues)? There are some good editors that I think would be good candidates for an interview. Gary King ( talk ) 18:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess besides the obvious candidates of users who frequent WT:VG like Fuchs, I'd suggest User:S@bre as I've worked with him before and think he'd be interesting. Gary King  ( talk ) 19:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was about to ask if you have suggwstions for this quarters Featured editor, but I see you found one. Are you gonna inverview Sabre? GamerPro64 (talk) 00:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Miss Croft
Sorry for the delay there, didn't forget about the article just work's on my case and with an impending wedding...yeah I'm a busy guy. I'll try to get to something this weekend, probably Saturday or Sunday.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, added a few references to the shebang, still got a lot to wade through. What's a real backbreaker with all these is, unlike say Ivy, Rayne, Tifa, or even Samus, there's really not a lot of substance to what's being said here, it's just repeating the same two points over and over. With the other girls, you get "she's a positive/negative icon because of this or this". With her, it's "she's positive because she was videogame's quintessential and most identifiable Eve."
 * Anyway, started a paragraph in the sex appeal section on why her appearance is met with mixed reception and by who, I'll build it up when I get the chance and can pull some meat from all this text.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Palace Software games
HA! I did not know you were working on Cauldron (video game) till I saw your nomination at GAN. I have nominated Barbarian: The Ultimate Warrior. I also recently brushed up its sequel, Barbarian II: The Dungeon of Drax. Although I am most likely to stop developing further articles for this company (I had played Death Sword and hence the interest this part here), maybe one day there might be enough articles for a Topic on Palace Software, eh? Jappalang (talk) 22:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Taco Bell Atari games
In case you're interested (since I know you like the subject matter), they are coming out now. I did all of them. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 22:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Video review for it came out. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 21:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me know how they run on yours. I've been getting intermittent reports of speed problems on random hardware, and some older hardware. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 21:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

GAR
I have reviewed Cauldron (video game), it is on hold look at the review page. -- Pedro J. the rookie 19:52, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Roxas
After working in a sandbox, I created (or redirected) the article Roxas (Kingdom Hearts). I still have various things to work there, but you are welcome to give a hand. By the way, what do you think it is the image that should be used in infobox? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 20:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. I'll continue working later.Tintor2 (talk) 21:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think I finished doing all the stuff I could to the article. I referenced all I could and expanded the creation section to one big paragraphs and two small. Maybe the appearances section can be expanded a little but I'm not sure. I didn't play 358/2 days so I don't know if such part of the article is wekk written (I only played the first KH, Chain of memories and II). Do you know if there is an interview with the English voice cast of the series? Considering how famous are some of them like Haley Joel Osment, I suppose they were interviewed about their work. Besides, in youtube I found interviews about some of them, but I think it is from TV program. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 19:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, do you if classifies as a reliable source. The author, Anoop Gantayat, appears to be an IGN editor.Tintor2 (talk) 20:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 20:21, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Re:VG interview
I suppose I could, but be aware that I'm a little bogged down with uni work at the moment (I haven't even found time to finish off the three paragraphs needed to complete the article I was working on). Still, I'll give it a shot. -- Sabre (talk) 16:24, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there a particular date it needs to be done by? I'm a little strapped for time in the immediate moment. -- Sabre (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, last question filled in. Sorry about the delay and the fact its just before the deadline, I've been north of the border for a while. -- Sabre (talk) 10:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Shadow Tower Abyss
It's taken a while, but I've finished the article on Shadow Tower Abyss. Since there's only one known review, at Famitsu, it didn't seem appropriate to include a 'Reception': I don't understand a word of Japanese and couldn't find the bulk of the review anyway. After completing the article, I didn't think it deserved a Start or a C class, so I'd appreciate feedback if you have a moment. I feel like I've done as much as I can with it. Thanks for some of the links as well! Mephistophelian † 03:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

If you have the time and will...
I know you're prolly bogged down, but if you have any time Halo 3: ODST could really use another pair of fresh eyes with regards to prose. There's no pressing deadline, just wanted to get some more attention on it before I go for FA. :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 14:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not off to a good start :P But thanks very much for the assistance. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 19:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Roxas (Kingdom Hearts)
Hey i was wondering if roxas should be reassessed to at least B-class article. to me it looks like A class or maybe GA. Still, does a reassessment like classes for c-a need to be informed in the project?Bread Ninja (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll place it in the reassessment request page.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

nevermind, i just noticed tintor already requested for b-classBread Ninja (talk) 15:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't plan to nominate it to GA, seeing that my English grammar is not very good (I'm from South America). You are welcome to give a hand to the article if you want.Tintor2 (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems ok to me. Anyways, that was just my thoughts, i didn't plan on making it GA right away, though A-class seems more appropriate from what i can see.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Tintor- I think it has a chance for GA. If grammar is your only concern, you might want to consider GAN after I copy edit it. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC))


 * Ok.Tintor2 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I had one doubt. Can the sentence

"Unaware of the virtual nature of the city, Roxas begins to see memories of Sora's adventures in dreams;[13] encounters Axel, a member of Organization XIII who was given orders to either rescue or kill him;[14] and meets Naminé, who tells him he is Sora's other half."

be split? If it can be splitted it could be explained a bit more who are Sora (just saying he is the protagonist of the series), and Organization XIII in the section. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 16:18, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it would be best by adding redirects for Sora. Namine and Axel [art really dont need to be explained as much.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * They already have redirects, but a brief description is still needed for general readers to know who is such character. For example, the first part mentioning Riku includes that he is a friend of Sora.Tintor2 (talk) 18:01, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Well all is needed to know is that Sora is the main protagonist.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just throwing this out there. How about switching the placement of the "Appearances" and "Creation and development"? I think that might give better context to the development content. Any thoughts? (Guyinblack25 talk 21:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC))


 * Can you give an explain it a bit more?Bread Ninja (talk) 22:14, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Here you go. Feel free to revert. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC))
 * not a big change, but it looks alright.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I like it.Tintor2 (talk) 23:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Cool! The article became GA. Nice work. By the way, is this edit okay? Specific sections were changed to redirects.Tintor2 (talk) 02:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

BGE refs
How's the search for Beyond Good & Evil refs? Hopefully you got someting good, like an interview or an award. GamerPro64 (talk) 22:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Your Lara Croft revert
Your reason was: Revert good faith edit- Sorry, but articles are not linked like that. Please explain this more fully. The link worked and it seems to parse correctly too. Could U provide a WP:MOS style guideline that supports your decision? Warmest Regards, :)—thecurran Speak your mind my past 23:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: VGseriestitle
Yeah, that would be great! Thanks! -- Pres N  18:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good! There doesn't seem to be any issues, so it's good to go for redirection. -- Pres N  21:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)