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Pig in a blanket
I just tried to go to the article for pig in a blanket and got redirected to pigs in blankets. This bugs me because a) "pigs in blankets" *sounds* weird, and b) naming guidelines (WP:SINGULAR) say to avoid plurals. I figured I'd check the page history for the redirect to see if the article could be moved over the redirect, but it has more than one history entry. I was going to say "screw it", but after clicking away a username flashed across my line of sight and instead I said, "holy shit, it's Gwern".

I don't have the wherewithal to deal with Wikipedia bullshittery anymore to try and get someone to do a proper move, but I thought that you might if brought to your attention.

Thanks. -- C. A. Russell ( talk ) 02:12, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello. I just came across your Norway Talk page Taxes comment at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taxation_in_Norway#Skatteliste Please see my comment there. Formulairis990 (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Do you still have access to that book and scanning equipment?
Hey, I noticed a copyright issue with an image you apparently uploaded to Commons eleven years ago. I'd need to be a complete lunatic to hold it against you that you made a mistake that long ago, but while I removed most of the non-PD text, there is still some text visible on the opposite side of the page, and was wondering if you would be able to re-scan the image with perhaps a dimmer light or something? Sorry, I know even less about scanning than image editing (and I made the change that I did in MS Paint...). Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 22:55, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I have to click through and stare at it to see any text. I made the scan from a library book I had ILLed at the time, so I do not; but by sheer coincidence in the past few weeks, I have been going back through my articles on gwern.net & WP and buying cited books in order to scan & upload them, and have already ordered a copy of Japanese Court Poetry. --Gwern (contribs) 03:01 1 October 2017 (GMT)

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Have you created any more bots that are against Wikipedia Standards? 69.255.82.84 (talk) 18:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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Nomination of Happstack for deletion
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Leonard Pickard
Hey Gwern, thanks for adding those missing testimony docs for this case. When I first added the docs in that collection ~10+ years ago, for some reason they weren't all available through PACER. I haven't had a chance to read through the links you added, but I plan to at some point in the future. jlcoving ( talk ) 00:09, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, the docket timeline is confusing. For some reason, the transcripts were yanked and then new versions posted later, which was confusing because I wasn't sure if I'd gotten all of Skinner's or not... I didn't care enough to download the additional filings to figure out what went on there, as my experience has been that when filings get amended like that, the reason is often boring, and I had spent enough money at that point. (Getting all of them cost $50!) I still wasn't able to get some of the transcripts listed as I got permission-denied errors, which I assume means they were hidden for confidentiality or secrecy or something. If you're interested, you might want to retry PACER. The docket should also be on RECAP now. --Gwern (contribs) 00:46 1 October 2018 (GMT)

Linking to pirated copies
Of papers is not allowed. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 12:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

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Nomination of Genome-wide complex trait analysis and bundled with it Genetic correlation for deletion
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Sourcing and citing health content in WP
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 * 1) While editing any article or a wikipage, on the top of the edit window you will see a toolbar which says "cite" click on it
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Please don't take this as pointy. Jytdog (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

AE filing
Arbcom is set to de facto ban him (he cannot resume editing without permission from the Arbitration Committee) and it looks like they will block him indefinitely, and so he can't be sanctioned further for behaviour at that AfD, and thus there's no point to an AE filing, and I'd suggest withdrawing/removing it. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I see. I didn't realize that his talk page edit was in response to that.
 * I would still like to see an AE resolution, to condemn his behavior and affirm the topic ban, in case he ever comes back, and send a message about trying to redefine 'GMO' even after being specifically told to interpret it 'broadly'. I still have to deal with the consequences of his harassment even if he has been indef banned for other things. --Gwern (contribs) 17:30 4 December 2018 (GMT)


 * I suggest that the only venue at the current time to raise the concerns you're raising is on the arbitration page. But keep in mind that the issues relate to something totally unrelated to what you are raising. If you decide to participate you may want to be mindful of that. Coretheapple (talk) 18:05, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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Connection
This link has the same name as your user name https://www.gwern.net/docs/biology/2000-iapac-norvir/index.html

What is your connection? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Obviously, I am hosting the archive because of its historical value and interest. What is your problem with this? Did you not look at the reference I provided and have not familiarized yourself with the polymorph incident despite having reverted me twice now? --Gwern (contribs) 02:37 29 November 2019 (GMT)

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Polygenic score flagged for expert-subject genetics
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 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polygenic_score&diff=prev&oldid=749941005

Don't get me wrong, sometimes I am myself more in the mood to fill a gap than to find ideal language. Nevertheless, on a dispassionate footing, I bounce around in this kind of material a lot, and rarely do I encounter a sentence like this one that defeats even my second reading (though I did eventually clue in). If you still recall your own intent, you'd be the best person to unravel this language in the first instance. Part of the problem pertains to "hits" being a common English word, so phrase-binding does not at first proceed as abstractly as it might otherwise do were a jargon lexeme to take its place. &mdash; MaxEnt 01:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * That would be myself. --Gwern (contribs) 16:24 21 January 2022 (GMT)


 * Well damn! Not bad for someone that young. I'll be stealing that, thanks :^) ZaidhaanH (talk) 17:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * See my response on the talk page. --Gwern (contribs) 22:31 19 June 2023 (GMT)

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Hello, I recently encountered your "Internet Search Tips" and I am in awe. --Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:08, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Glad you liked it. I learned a lot of that by researching stuff for Wikipedia articles, so I hope it'll be helpful for your own editing. :) --Gwern (contribs) 01:53 11 August 2023 (GMT)
 * I sent it along to someone I know at Wellcome and they said they are going to fix some stuff! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

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Oh good! You're still here.
This is beautifully written:

I was reading this when I happened upon this. The owl flies at dusk. It is so perfect and the paragraph is in your words, not Ted Chiang's. (I like his short stories and recall reading, with confusion, the one about Louise and the Heptapods).-- FeralOink (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Glad you enjoyed it. :) It is a confusing story, isn't it? But it has a beautiful idea at the core, and I tried to do it some justice. --Gwern (contribs) 19:25 26 November 2023 (GMT)

Inspectigation
Your analysis is pretty impressive. I also read that Harper's article, and I've been going through some deleted revisions about it. I have noticed a couple extra things -- interested in pursuing this further. I'd also like to publish what you discerned in the Signpost. Let me know what you think! <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 06:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to hear an admin is looking into it. I don't think he should get a pass on so much POV pushing and WP manipulation just because he confessed as a "story" & Harper's readers like the political POV being pushed...
 * But I've done as much as I have the time to spare. (I was actually just killing time before Thanksgiving dinner because my real work was hard to focus on.) Feel free to write it up in Signpost or anything, I stand by it. --Gwern (contribs) 18:46 26 November 2023 (GMT)


 * Any updates on this? I thought The Signpost story was disappointing and didn't get into any of this. --Gwern (contribs) 14:26 3 February 2024 (GMT)
 * Just a small note that Harper's published a letter from fellow Wikimedian Annie Rauwerda regarding the article. Ckoerner (talk) 18:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Not that I disagree, but it could have been stronger. For example, Lerner could make amends by being more forthcoming about what he did, so perhaps it can be fixed, instead of trying to have his cake & eat it too. --Gwern (contribs) 18:59 5 February 2024 (GMT)

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So somehow I got caught up in a discussion over at Talk:Dunning–Kruger_effect (in the unlikely event you really wanted to know). Plot twist: it turns out it's all your fault!

I got into this because I was reading (among others) the full text of gignac et al over at gwern.net. I only noticed the domain just now. %-)

Nice that you're hosting it. Did you ever use that text in one of your blog posts or so? --Kim Bruning (talk) 04:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Not as such. I was looking into it after Gignac & Zajenkowski 2020 came out via Andrew Gelman's blog because it was one of the better demonstrations that Dunning-Kruger is mostly or entirely spurious, and I thought that I might make the topic a newsletter entry or maybe an entry on my regression-to-the-mean-related fallacies page (since it's mostly driven by measurement error enabling misinterpretation of the resulting regression to the mean). But I haven't yet - one of these days... --Gwern (contribs) 14:49 28 November 2023 (GMT)

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You added a bunch of references (and other content), way back when. I think that it's probably "Campaign for Labour Rights" rather than "Campaign for Labor Rights", as I have been able to find a few references to the former organization. I have not, however, been able to find "Newsletter Number 9". Any ideas? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC).


 * I found it! I think... https://web.archive.org/web/20100710132202/http://www.clrlabor.org/archives/Newsletter/news9.html (the date seems uncertain) - however the only mention of McDonalds is a school play about the assembly of happy meals. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC).


 * No idea, sorry. I don't remember anything at all about that. Maybe No Logo got it wrong? --Gwern (contribs) 17:03 19 March 2024 (GMT)
 * Thanks, I think I'll remove that ref. There's plenty of documentation.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough 10:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC).

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The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Path_analysis_(statistics&redirect=no Path analysis (statistics] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C
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"Astounding incident" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Astounding_incident&redirect=no Astounding incident] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Duckmather (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)