User talk:Gwood3710/Indigenous science/Hylaversicolor Peer Review

Remember to include the appropriate titles and headings for your references section.

I think this article draft does a very good job of reorganizing, rearranging and updating the information contained in this page. This article draft does a very good job of reorganizing and improving the references section.

Your draft is suggesting changing the title of the section "In Ecology" to "Ecological Knowledge". Are you just providing a quick summarization of traditional ecological knowledge inside the Indigenous science article? What differentiates your draft from the Main article: traditional ecological knowledge?

Link 3 for reference 3 does not appear to work.

Link 2 for reference 2 does not bring up the reference directly. It must be found by navigating down through the link page and clicking on the DOI: link which then links to the correct article. I would suggest linking it directly from this page.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187734351400116X?via%3Dihub

The link you provided for reference 2 does not open the proper page directly.

References 2 and 7 appear to be the same. The link shared above is the same for reference 2 and 7.

This is a great start to your article draft but I would consider doing some more revisions and additions to the In ecology/Ecological Knowledge section. Perhaps you could also include additions to other sections or create entirely new sections to the main Indigenous science article.

The In ecology/ Ecological Knowledge section still mentions and focuses on ecology quite a bit. I understand you are trying to differentiate ecology from traditional ecological knowledge and you are saying ecology is a subset of TEK, or falls under the umbrella of TEK and ecology from the western perspective is just a small component of traditional ecological knowledge and the term TEK is far more inclusive then the narrower definition of ecology. You should continue to include what else falls under the umbrella category of traditional ecological knowledge and maybe differentiate that into its own section and continue to discuss ecology in the In Ecology section. If you want to include discussing ecology in your Ecological Knowledge section, you should broaden and expand the topic as much of the information written into the draft still focuses on ecology.

Certainly there is place-based knowledge pertaining to a certain region but there is also universal and ubiquitous principles that can be analyzed and applied to any region, and the transfer of knowledge can occur even though the indigenous inhabitants of a region might not share the same species, but the principles understood can be applied across regions.

"Using ecology can also be a great start when trying to understand the perspective of (w)holistic thought by thinking of impacts such as how the declining fish population effects nature, the food web, and coastal ecosystems. What declining fish population are you referring to specifically? I think both traditional and western scientific ways of knowing innately understand the concept of declining populations of a species is correlated or caused by the changes/imbalances to the environment, and ecosystem.

How is this article related to the past, present, or future outlook for a mineral, energy, or food resource or major policy issues pertaining to such a resource?

Despite what appear to be harsh criticisms from my peer review initially are only intended to provide constructive criticism as I am really interested in this topic and feel that you are providing meaningful contributions to this article. I feel the original article is lacking a lot of material and I believe your article draft will provide much needed contributions to the original article which is lacking quite a bit of content.

I will also suggest looking into the book "Braiding Sweetgrass" by Robin Wall Kimmerer, as the book is heavily relevant and pertains deeply to this article. If not the book then check the author (Robin Wall Kimmerer) on google scholar or Carleton library for her publications as they would be excellent quality references and sources. She is a very knowledgeable Indigenous Biology Professor from the State University of New York College of Environmental Science and Forestry.

I also recommend looking into publications from Dr. Scott Sampson if you are interested in this topic or would like to include additional references and sources for your article contribution.

Be sure to add a summary of your intended changes and why you intend to make them to the talk page of the article too.~ Hylaversicolor (talk) 16:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the feedback! I had not checked the references link so that is good to know. I also intentionally double referenced but for some reason I thought it would link that to show they were both the same.
 * I totally see where you're coming from with he ecological knowledge vs the old title vs TEK. I have a lot more to add about this but for reference based on my knowledge working in the field of Indigenous science, I'm trying to show that within Indigenous knowledge systems, Indigenous science is only one category, and then within that, Ecological knowledge or TEK is another category since science extends past what is just ecological. However, the place-based is a very important concept since this knowledge is heavily based on observation. for example, in my language kwak'wala, the observations and science is built into the language and informs how we understand time, ecological relations, our environment, etc... so we wouldn't have words to describe plants or animals that are seen I other areas of the world where my people hadn't gone. but I think you do bring up a good point in that language itself could be the universal tool that can describe things.
 * Also, thank you for the source recommendations! Robin will certainly be featuring in the article later with both of her books. but I haven't heard of Dr. Scott Sampson so I will look into him! Gwood3710 (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)