User talk:Gyrofrog/2008Jan-Jun

This is the archive of comments added to User talk:Gyrofrog from January 2008 through June 2008. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Siye abraha article - "THE ERITREAN QUESTION: AFARS AND ASSEB"
TO Gyrofrog

"By 2001 however Ethiopia, having in effect won the war with Eritrea, had regained this all-important strip of territory. Seeye wanted, for obvious reasons, to retain it; or at least to negotiate guaranteed rights of access to the sea"

How is the above sentence correct actually it was eritrea who was militarily in a stronger position.

Furtheremore its highly offensive it dismiss the United Nations Observer Mission to Verify the Referendum in Eritrea. Eritreans had a Referendum and 99.79% voted for indepedence.

The quoted comment from the Siye abraha article is factally wrong and lacks considerations for FACTS.

Please can you delete "THE ERITREAN QUESTION: AFARS AND ASSEB" article because it questions the soverign state of eritrea this is highly offensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNOVER —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theapple12 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 2 January 2008


 * ✅ Done, left response at User talk:Theapple12 (forgot to indicate this earlier today). -- Gyrofrog 23:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Done. -- Gyrofrog 20:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Done, along with a few other album covers I had uploaded. -- Gyrofrog 20:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks! -- Gyrofrog 22:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Done. -- Gyrofrog 10:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Template_talk:WPBiography
I've answered an old comment of yours at Template_talk:WPBiography. --kingboyk (talk) 21:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help and clarification. -- Gyrofrog 04:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you have against ebay? Just kidding. That was a typo, thank you for pointing it out, lol. I have no idea how that got inserted, but it's a funny mistake.--Octavian history (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Seeking Help!
I’m once again asking help from Wiki administrators in regards to the Nur Ali Elahi article. Octavian history, who recently began using this account name instead of Persian history after archiving all of the past history and information related to Persian History in a poorly veiled attempt to conceal all the different sockpuppet banners that were posted on that account, has repeatedly been disrupting and vandalizing this article while ironically accusing others of doing so.

It is clear from this user’s edits that his/her motive is not to improve or expand this article but only to disagree with other people and to undo the work of others. I’ve explained this further on the Nur Ali Elahi Discussion Page.

Global.wiki (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Gyro, read the explanation I just wrote on the Nur Ali Elahi talk page.--Octavian history (talk) 09:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Gyro my Wiki Stalker
You have a history of changing things you should not change. There is absolutely no valid citation listed for 80% of the false information the person wrote on the Nur Ali Elahi page. This will be the last warning I will give you to stop stalking me or I will make an official "Requests for arbitration" to have your admin taken away. You have a very long history of picking on me and others and making accusations that are not true.

If you look at my history, you will immediately notice that I have made over a 1000 constructive edits and created many new topics of great interest with factual citations. Global.wiki and Fhariri appear to be two fanatics who have never made any contributions to wiki except to the one article. Instead of making contributions to wikipedia, they have spent 80% of there energy making personal attacks against me and writing absolute gibberish (about me). I will not waste my time with an individual who wants to make a career out of personal attacks. The Ostad Elahi Foundation is a VERY dangerous cult and has been accused of many crimes in France.

Read this again Gyro, as to why I deleted that section.

1. He had all the spellings of the names wrong. (Amatu fixed it, thanks)

2. He had a lot of misinformation which is absolutely not true.

3. '''Many of the citations are incorrect, erroneous and false. For example citation number 22 is a false citation for the name Fatollah. It is out of context. Citation number 23 is also erroneous, no such info in the book. Most of the citations are false'''

4. A large part of it taken out of dictionary to explain the definition of Ostad and Hazrat in Persian. That is not the place to define words. Anyone can pickup a Persian dictionary.

5. Many POVs--Octavian history (talk) 12:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The Nur Ali Elahi article has been on my watchlist for a while. I saw another dispute over content and thought I would weigh in. -- Gyrofrog 13:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Left additional comments at User talk:Octavian history. -- Gyrofrog 01:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * (...which he chose to delete -- Gyrofrog 04:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC))

Proposed deletion for The Other Nite Show
Hi, I'd like to request you delete The Other Nite Show. It is a non notable community radio show from a minor AM station (and therfore not notable, if you don't delete it any other Australian community radio show could put up a page. Cheers, Ryan. 122.148.64.45 (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Left responses at User talk:122.148.64.45 and Talk:The Other Nite Show. See also the AfD entry. -- Gyrofrog 15:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Meetup/Philadelphia 6
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Suspected sockpuppet
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Octavian history (talk • contribs) 15:16, 27 January 2008
 * Please provide evidence. Do not use this tag without filling out the "evidence=" parameter. -- Gyrofrog 16:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, do not use this tag without filling out the "evidence=" parameter. -- Gyrofrog 17:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Title change
Request for change in consensus: Change title to "Franklin Coverup Incident"

"A small group of editors can reach a consensual decision, but when the article gains wider attention, others may then disagree. The original group should not block further change on grounds that they already have made a decision. No one person, and no (limited) group of people, can unilaterally declare that community consensus has changed, or that it is fixed and determined."

The existing title is, in the opinion of many who have commented (Gyrofrog, Awfultin, Wayne, Tom1976, Conexion, Apostle 12), fatally biased. To start out saying that the subject material is a "hoax" is indefensible, especially when that point of view is hardly universal. A specially called county grand jury used the word "hoax;" that is all. And there is ample reason to believe that those who comprised the jury had a vested interest in protecting local people.

Request for Comment: Change title to more neutral "Franklin Coverup Incident" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apostle12 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC) Apostle12 (talk) 02:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Take Two: Request for change in consensus
Take Two: Request for change in consensus. Change title to "Franklin Child Abuse Allegations"

"A small group of editors can reach a consensual decision, but when the article gains wider attention, others may then disagree. The original group should not block further change on grounds that they already have made a decision. No one person, and no (limited) group of people, can unilaterally declare that community consensus has changed, or that it is fixed and determined."

The existing title "Franklin Coverup Hoax" is, in the opinion of many who have commented (Gyrofrog, Awfultin, Wayne, Tom1976, Conexion, Apostle 12), fatally biased. To start out saying that the subject material is a "hoax" is indefensible, especially when that point of view is hardly universal. A specially called county grand jury used the word "hoax;" that is all. And there is ample reason to believe that those who comprised the jury had a vested interest in protecting local people.

In the previous section, various editors commented on their support for, or opposition to, a name change to "Franklin Coverup Incident." Those who commented over the space of several days included Sherurcij, PopeFauveXXIII, Wayne, Orange Mike, Apostle12, and Rosicrucian.

Orange Mike came up with a suggestion: How about "Franklin Child Abuse Allegations"? Neutral, takes no position regarding "hoax" or "coverup" claims.

I support this newly proposed title change and am asking for additional comments at this time from concerned editors. Apostle12 (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Almost giving up
Gyrofrog, thanks for weighing in with your wisdom on the Talk:Nur Ali Elahi page in the past. I'm on the verge of giving up on that article, and letting it go wherever it will. At first I was involved as a third-opinion contributor, but when I began removing peacock terms and other non-neutral phrasing, I became embroiled in a battle with an Elahi follower who can't seem to agree to incorporating more neutral language. And I don't even have an interest in the subject. Do you have any suggestions on getting more editors involved than just two people? It's a decent article, but I'm on the verge of abandoning it, and I'd rather pass the mantle on to others who have an interest. -Amatulić (talk) 19:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Left response at User talk:Amatulic. -- Gyrofrog 20:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

deletion
Your page User:Gyrofrog/2006-07-19 was marked for speedy deletion by User:Sceptre, and I have deleted it - letting you know as a courtesy. —Random832 19:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. The page in question was a copy of an unsolicited canvassing email that I received, and I guess I had kept it as evidence. I had forgotten about it.  (Also posted this to Random832's talk page.) -- Gyrofrog 19:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

New mailing list
There has been a mailing list created for Wikipedians in the New York metropolitan area (list: Wikimedia NYC). Please consider joining it!  Cbrown1023   talk   21:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

About my daughter
Thanks for the congrats! If you'd like to see more about her, have a look here. -- llywrch (talk) 04:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Irir Samaale
I see you have a history of working on the article Irir Samaale. I am looking at it from the project Unreferenced articles where it is one of the longest unreferenced tagged articles that does not meet at least the barest minimum of verifiability. It has been tagged and completely without references since June 2006. It would be extremely helpful if you had some references you could add to the article to help support its verifiability and notability. Thanks for any help you can give.  Birgitte SB  21:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You are invited!
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Summa Universalia
hey, sorry for dropping off the radar. my RL has been ultramega overwhelming these past few months. the business upgrade on my webhost was on sale, so i got one. you still down with the disco-wiki? --PopeFauveXXIII (talk) 20:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Left response at User talk:Popefauvexxiii. -- Gyrofrog 20:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! i did that once too, there was like 400 of them. I should probably just switch to login required edits, its not like we're going to have a real large base of editors. I'll get on the image resizing software tonight. I emailed this guy stbob who has a shitload of decadent worker articles, but he hasnt gotten back to me yet. I'm planning on getting serious about recruiting in the near future. --PopeFauveXXIII (talk) 20:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * PS. wow. are you just perpetually logged in here or what? -pf23
 * Holy shit, I got the image software working: --PopeFauveXXIII (talk) 00:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

DC Meetup on May 17th
Your help is needed in planning Meetup/DC 4! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

keep your cool at village pump
Please try to keep your cool while arguing about sources on village pump, specially when talking with anonymous users with nothing to lose. If your source is good and he doesn't give any source, then your opinion will naturally prevail by wikipedia rules. If you get angry, this can turn against you by malintentioned or POV-pushing users trying to accuse you of impartiality --Enric Naval (talk) 21:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Left response at User talk:Enric Naval. -- Gyrofrog 21:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't check the style to see if it was him. (That IP belongs to Microsoft, btw). He could have forgotten to login. If the IP tries to disrupt the conversation, we can complain about it. For now, it has only put forward some doubts wich are a bit silly and has put forward no hard proof, so i can be safely ignored --Enric Naval (talk) 21:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

the citation barnstar

 * Thank you! -- Gyrofrog 10:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Irir Samaale
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Hi Gyrofrog
Thank you very much for your kind advice. I would like to discuss with you the territorial size of Somaliland. The measurement of 137 500 square km does not seem correct.

Somaliland and UK is about the same size. Please see civic web or use Google Earth.

Looking forward to hear from

best regards Maaxdan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maaxdan (talk • contribs) 19:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Feedback
I've been working on the stub for Broadcast Journalism. I'd appreciate any feedback you have as well as any suggestions for further expansion on the article.Tmac9986 (talk) 04:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

April 2008
What was un-attributed? That the clan lives in Ethiopia, Somalia, Yemen and Kenya even though it is provided in the page it self where it says "The majority of the Marehan live in Jubbada Hoose, Gedo and Jubbada Hoose Regions (gobolka) in southwest Somalia; the Galguduud and Mudug Regions in central Somalia; the Ogaden; and northeast Kenya."

The population is an estimation based on the regions they inhabit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarehanEmpire (talk • contribs) 07:08, 11 April 2008


 * Left reponse at User talk:MarehanEmpire (forgot to mention it earlier). -- Gyrofrog 18:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you anti-Eritrean?
Everything you've edited about Eritrean issues seems to sugest this. We know your wife happens to be Ethiopian and we know how you're infatuated with Ethiopian history but why does most of your editing about Eritrean topics seems to always leave an Ethiopian twist to it? You clearly favor Ethiopia in all Eritrean/Ethiopian topics, be it war, history or common things we share so why are you even editing on every Eritrean issue that has nothing to do with Ethiopia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.233.12 (talk) 16:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Left response at User talk:71.112.233.12. -- Gyrofrog 19:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Planning for the 7th Wikipedia Meetup
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Interview
I am trying to find a wikipedia administrator who would readily do an interview for a research project I am conducting from the perspective of a wikipedia insider. If you'd like to do this, please email me at goat77 (AT) gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goat77 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: June 1, 2008
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responding to your Puntland question.
I am not copying a copy righted material. The Puntland information are mine. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JBondII (talk • contribs) 00:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Left response at User talk:JBondII. -- Gyrofrog 01:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Yazdanism
Hello. Okay thanks for informing me. But this subject is kind of controversial. I am a Kurd myself, but many Kurdish nationalists have personally interests in Aryan and proto-Iranian identity, so I hope we can get some neutral aspects on this case.(Xizilbash (talk) 14:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC))

Articles for deletion/Tõnu Trubetsky
You might be interested in this AfD. Renata (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Borana people
What is there primary occupation?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Left response at User talk:Otolemur crassicaudatus. -- Gyrofrog 19:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Shashamane - Dr. Melaku E. Bayen, EWF Founder Picture addition
Thank you Gyrofrog for the User talk that you sent. When I said "our founder", I am speak as an Ethiopian who is proud of any positive work from any one of my country is like the success of us all - as a people. I, personally, am not related in any way to the founder of the EWF, only as a fellow countryman;-) Sorry if that sounded like a conflict of interest yet you did well to remind me of this and I checked. I am just a student and researcher who has found additional information that should be useful, in non-partial terms. So, I think that it would be okay since most of this is just public domain and is found elsewhere in reliable sources that record the history of the organization. I check on the article talk page and disclose whatever will be appropiate and be mindful of Wikipedia's policies... Thanks again, Wendim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendimyadon (talk • contribs) 15:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)