User talk:H/Archive 15


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Adminship
Hey HighInBC, just thought I'd drop in and congratulate you on your successful RfA - that's not somewhere I tend to visit much but if I'd known you were up for adminship I'd have added my support to the long list. Although I've mostly encountered you at FPC I've also seen your name in my watchlist doing all sorts of good work elsewhere. Congrats again and happy mopping, --YFB ¿  06:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have avoided major catastrophe so far. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 09:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Christ Church Cathedral (Victoria)
Those Christ Church photos were very nice, thanks! —mwalle


 * Thanks. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 01:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Fandemonium

 * This conversation is in reference to HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

How do you provide a verifiable reference when all the newspapers and TV stations in the area have completely incompetent web departments and can't keep track of an article on their websites for more than a couple weeks? I can provide scans of the paper editions. Ogredude 19:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Post the Name of the paper, the date, the name of the article, the author of the article. Put these in the AfD and in the Wikipedia article as references. You cannot post a scan on wikipedia as that would violate copyight laws. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 19:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

puzzled by your interpretation of weasel words

 * This conversation is in reference to HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I know full well of WP:Weasel words - half way down the page there is the example "Many people say..." - it's a direct correlation - i removed the need for citation because the presence of both the 'many' and the is contradictory (one cannot provide a proper citation for 'many sci-fi books use ___') - if you feel that the citation is more important then remove the soft 'many' --Danlibbo 00:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Verifiability is very important in a featured article, or any article. I agree the word many should be removed. The whole sentence seems a bit out of place. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 00:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * agreed - remove the sentence until someone finds an appropriate citation --Danlibbo 00:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the lengthy block on that vandal. When I sent in the resuest I was expecting 24-hour ban or so since most admins seem to assume good faith. I don't have to check my user page everytime I log on anymore now :). You just became an admin recently? Wow, you're making an impact already then. --Wizardman 00:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am a recent admin, and I do assume good faith until evidence shows me that I should not. I have a really low tolerance to user page vandals. Thanks for the appreciation. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 00:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks from me too on banning vandal 205.247.251.99. I've almost given up requesting blocks for vandals because they seem to go unheeded. I'm all for giving new users some leeway to test and vandalise a bit before settling down but most admins seem too easy on the vandals, I spend a good 15 minutes each morning just reverting overnight vandalism to all the articles I monitor, most of the vandals shows continuous patterns of vandalisation. Grrrr. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks too - PocklingtonDan 08:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Hello HighInBC. I just heard via the Wikipedia Signpost that you became an admin this week, congratulations! You should have told me you were on reveiw, sorry I didn't notice. Good luck with your brand new mop! | A ndonic O Talk 11:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Foreign language sources on wikipedia

 * This conversation is in reference to HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw on the no original research talkpage you wrote 'foriegn language sources are allowed'. Can you clarify this? thanks --  maxrspct  ping me  20:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It says here: Verifiability that


 * English-language sources should be given whenever possible, and should always be used in preference to foreign-language sources, so that readers can easily verify that the source material has been used correctly.


 * This seems to indicate the foreign language sources are allowed when no alternative in English exists. That is really all I know about the subject. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 20:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on Adminship
I just noticed your RfA. You welcomed me to Wikipedia back when I was new, and were the first user I interacted with, if only barely. You did serve as something of a passive example for me in some ways. Had I seen your RfA while it was running, I would have made a support recommendation, not that it would have been needed. Instead, I'd just like to congratulate you. AubreyEllenShomo 20:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, welcoming new users is very fun. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 20:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Unsigned vandalblock tag?
Hello! Most, if not all, of the tags that I come across are unsigned, so I follow the same format. (aeropagitica) 22:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Huh, I did not know that. I always treat it like any other message. I think it is fine either way. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ta bu shi da yu's userpage

 * This conversation is in reference to HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 03:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"If you are really Ta bu shi da yu, then please log in before you edit your user page. Otherwise, your edits could be mistaken as vandalism and removed. Thank you." Don't you mean "mistaken for vandalism"? anyway, that page looked so desolately empty, I had to put something there. Please understand. I'm sure Ta bu shi da yu would. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.19.73.110 (talk) 02:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC).


 * "mistaken as vandalism" is valid grammar. Please don't edit other peoples userpages, it is considered rude. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 03:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Illegal activities
Wikipedia is not a place to brag about illegal activities- as you should know, such behaviour is highly inappropriate. Your userbox about engaging in illegal activities has been removed. Please exercise better judgement in the future. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.19.73.110 (talk) 00:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC).


 * While I appreciate your concern TC, I am not bragging about anything. I assume you are refering to my userbox saying that I enjoy cannabis? Which policy is this violating? I put it there with the intention of letting other editors know my personal feelings so that they could better detect unintentional bias in my editing. Sort of a full disclosure kinda thing. As for the illegality of the subject, that depends on where you live. I am allowed to consume cannabis for medical purposes, and am not violating Canadian law by doing so. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 00:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If there is Libel in a comment What Should I DO?
I am having a very difficult time here. user timecop stated something as fact that he knows to be false. First he linked to an old resume and said that it proved that I hadn't held a job for more than one year. After requesting to delete the statement (which the resume itself disproves) the link to the resume was deleted by an admin, but the libelous statement remains. Regardless of whether you all believe that I am notable in my field, I do have a lawyer and she advised me to warn the user, the moderators, and the admins of the crime and of my intention to sue to remedy the situation. She also told me that if I let it slide it is an indirect way of me admitting said lie.

Because of the coverage on Digg and possible other news sources and blogs, I cannot have such a outrageous and easily disproved statement whose sole intention is to defame me remain for one more minute as with each hour more people read it!

This is despite the fact that a resume that statement has Nothing to do with my blogging career since the resume ends at 2000 and I didnt start blogging until 8/2001.

this is the discussion thread in question

this is the discussion i have had with the user

this is the discussions i've had on the Admin page

i have done everything i can to have this matter solved without legal action.

i would prefer not to sue anyone, but if it remains up there any longer you are forcing me to. my hands are tied. please solve this very easily fixed problem or explain how you can allow boldface libel up on a page exposing yourself to legal action, and allow a user to keep his defamatory statement up there knowing that he is in violation of the law and (i would assume) the policies of this fine website. - Tony Pierce 70.219.47.146 04:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If you wish to deal with this user, do so outside of wikipedia, you can use the E-mail this user link at the side of the users page. Legal threats on Wikipedia will result on blocking. Our policy regarding legal threats is at No_legal_threats. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 04:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that Admins allow libelous statements on public discussion boards that are indirectly linked by Digg, and the only way I can get it removed is to email the user that wouldn't even remove the link to my resume? - TP 70.219.47.146 04:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want to make legal threats then you have to contact the user outside wikipedia. Which statement specifically do you have trouble with, you have not said? This users has said things about me that aren't true, I would not take it personally. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I do not want to make legal threats, I just want this statement deleted immediately and have been told by my lawyer that I have to let the user know that I am willing to go to court over it.

Here is the statement: "Self-proclaimed 'blogfather', never held a job for more than a year and never achieved anything except a passing reference for some of his blog-related activities."

First of all, I have never called myself the Blog Father, that is a term that others have used about me, including the user who initially posted my entry on Wikipedia. It is a term that I believe was first, and more accurately used as a nickname for Glenn Reynolds, whose politics I am completely against, but is in my eyes, the Blog Father. That is not the libel, it's just a sloppy and false.

The Libel is "never held a job for more than a year..." Because timecop has read my resume, and because I asked him to re-read the resume he knows that of course I have held a job for more than a year. Because of Digg and other webpages that are linking to that AfD, people in my field of whom I might have employment with in the future might take timecop's lie as fact. Because there are two lies in one sentence and both lies are meant to defame me, and timecop, after being notified that they are lies, never provided evidence otherwise, he is in a way admitting that he knows he's spreading lies every time someone reads that thread. It is against the law and it need to be removed immediately. By the way I truly appreciate this discussion - TP 70.219.47.146 04:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And have you tried to remove the text? Oh wait I see it is protected from new users. Let me look into this. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 04:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry it took a while, never dealt with this before, WP:LIBEL says:


 * If you believe that you are the subject of a libellous statement on Wikipedia, please:


 * [mailto:info-en@wikimedia.org E-mail the info team] with details of the article and error.


 * That would be your best bet. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 04:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

My good man. As you can see from the links I have provided above, I have written about this several times to several different people. If you are an admin, and you have the ability to delete that one sentence, please do me this favor and delete it. I have written the Admin board and someone asked a follow-up having nothing to do with the topic, it has been 24 hours now and no note has been added, no nothing. I do not see the benefit of Wikipedia exposing themselves to legal action by keeping something in that discussion that is so easily proved wrong. I am all in favor of debate, and if my entry goes away fine, but I cannot have a libelous statement like that floating around for one more day. If you can guarantee me that I will get a response back from the "Info Team" in an hour, when odds are you or another Admin can delete that one sentence in less than a minute, then I will write to the Info Team.

I say this in all respect and out of complete frustration. My life will be fine if my page is not on Wikipedia, but if someone in the online community gets the impression that I cannot hold a job for more than a year and that prevents me from getting work in the future... well it's just not fair and it could be easily prevented with one edit. timecop can say whatever he wants about me and my qualifications on Wikipedia but he cant spread lies that he knows are not true. please delete the libel. please. - TP 70.219.47.146 04:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but if they don't do anything at that e-mail address then I cannot help you, that is our legal contact. I do not know enough about the situation to do anything. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 04:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The issue is not if they can help me, it's when. Every hour that it stays up there someone is capable of reading it. And yes you do know enough about the situation, I just explained it to you and provided several links. One final question then, are there any other Admins who I can talk with, or a phone number or anyone else other than a generic email address with no specific name attatched to it? Is there a night-time Admin who could possibly delete that one sentence tonight? - TP 70.219.47.146 05:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If you really want you can post about this at WP:AN/I, I am not experienced in any legal matters. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 05:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much I will go there. And if it occurs to you that the right thing to do is to delete the sentence we just discussed, and if you feel that you are one of the people who could delete it, I would appreciate it. Happy Holidays - TP 70.219.47.146 05:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the help. I might be up in BC next month to liveblog the recording of Matt Good's next album. If you're a fan of his or even if you're not, I'm sure he would be interested in meeting a Wikipedia Admin since he's a serious web geek.

If you are a fan, feel free to email me at busblog @ gmail - TP 70.219.47.146 06:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I mostly listen to music by dead people. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I hope when Matt Good dies, you take the time to listen to his music. I really like it.  :)  --Yamla 18:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * lol, I do not actually wait for the artist to die. I have found that I tend to like music from the past. Exceptions include Bob Dylan, Leon Redbone(I think he is still alive), Clinton Fearon ect... HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 18:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks Ryan for the barnstar! I have appreciated your well-timed words of encouragement. Chondrite 07:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for adding the indefblockeduser template to Timecop's pages. Silly forgetful EVula... EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 18:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, I have also warned the user that called you a racist, that accusations not founded by fact with evidence can be seen as very uncivil. Looking at that users contribution history and userpage it is clear that that user is more upset at the block itself than your alleged motives. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 18:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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