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Steve Jagla
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Steve Jagla, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add db-author to the top of Steve Jagla. Toddst1 12:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC) Hi Hal, You might want to review Notability_%28people%29 for politicians. Unelected state candidates are generally not notable. If there's something else about the campaign that makes him notable, we should get it in the article because as it stands now, I don't think he passes the test. My $0.02 worth. Cheers. Toddst1 13:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What makes him notable is he is a resident of the 6th, unlike his rival Democrat. He has been mentioned in a number of national news paper articles and as such fulfills the notably requirement of wikipeida. When Tammy Duckworth ran, she held absolutely no public office as well.

December 2007
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Please read tag as I have
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I object because of the reason i stated for notability as well as the fact its a Major federal office and the wiki reader deserves to know who's running against Jill.HAL is not IBM 03:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Steve Jagla
Steve Jagla, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Steve Jagla satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Steve Jagla and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Steve Jagla during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Toddst1 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to No original research, Neutral point of view, and Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.)  Toddst1 19:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I DISAGREE and Your assumptions are flawed
This is all wiki mumbo jumbo and disconnected to any reality. You make huge assumptions, which you are unqualified to state.

First assumption that I'm Stan. This is false. IF I am or not makes no diffrence and you have no way to know that. To use this as your basis to remove this bio is on this assumption that I'm Stan.

This is fundamentally wrong.

Second, By the shear fact that this candidate is on the ballot for a major federal office against another candidate with same experience (which both have none)is note worthy on to it's self. To ask to remove this is outrageous.

I feel your arguments are spurious and driven by pov rather than having fair and balance bio's for both democratic candidates running in the February primary for the 6th congressional district.

Also, campaign bios fall under "fair use" and and not subject to your claim of copywrite. Are you a trained attorney and as specialist in IP law? I don't think so. So, IMHO you don't get to make that call. Your opinion is no better or worst than mine. Further more, You must allow time for a consensus to be reach rather than unilaterally removing this bio.

I disagree and your augments are with out merit.HAL is not IBM 06:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You definitely appear to be personally involved in this election. It's not prohibited to edit articles that you have a conflict of interest, but WP:NPOV must be maintained.  I've added the  tag to get some else to make the call about fair use. Toddst1 12:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * YOU full of squat... and to make such a charge could be considered a personal attack. You have no proof and your assumption is based on the fact I have some passion for what is right.  Now Make the case with some logic and stop attacking the messenger. Also,I charge you with the same by having a personal interest in this as well and conflict of interest.  You are more qualified then then me on this.HAL is not IBM 16:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jill Morgenthaler
An article that you have been involved in editing, Jill Morgenthaler, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. Toddst1 17:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for keeping it fair.HAL is not IBM (talk) 22:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)