User talk:HJKeats/Archive 1

Treaty of Versailles, 1783
Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. Original source text such as that in Treaty of Versailles, 1783 belongs at our sister project, Wikisource. RickK 05:31, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Shanawdithit
Please don't copy and paste material from other websites. Copyright violations can cause legal problems for Wikipedia. RickK 05:35, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Bold titles
Hi HJKeats. Thanks for the articles you've been creating, though please remember to bold the articles title. :) &#9999; Oven Fresh  ²  18:32, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Bay de Verde harbour image
Hi. I like the Image:BDV.jpg image you uploaded for Bay de Verde, Newfoundland and Labrador, but I'm not too sure if Wikipedia can use it. You haven't attached any image copyright tags to it to indicate who owns the picture copyright. Just judging from the image itself, I'd probably guess that it was borrowed from another website because of the fancy dropshadow on it. If you took the picture or own the copyright, please tag the image accordingly, and if you don't please tag the image for deletion or let me know and I'll help you out. Thanks. --NormanEinstein 16:13, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * If you can't substantiate the origin and copyright status of an image it's probably best not to use it. Most government stuff is public domain, but sometimes governments contract other agencies to create websites and the images they use might have specific copyrights that are not compatible with Wikipedia. If you have a photograph that you've taken yourself that would be the best option. When you're ready to have the Image:BDV.jpg deleted you can tag it with .  --NormanEinstein July 4, 2005 13:55 (UTC)

Watching articles
You noted on the Canadian noticeboard that you can't watch articles that haven't been created yet - well, you sort of can, if you go to page that does not yet exist, there is still a "watch" button. When the page is created, it will show up on your watch list. Adam Bishop 16:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
Just wanted to say thanks for the help with the new Newfoundland-geo-stub! Any help in re-templating stub articles is always welcome! Grutness...  wha?  11:48, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you got the lot (other than one or two which I added - mainly ones that N&L shares with neighbouring provinces - those articles get double-stubbed). You certainly got all the ones that were there the last time I tallied what was in the Canada-geo-stubs category (I keep a reasonably up-to-date list here). Grutness...  wha?  12:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Nephrotic syndrome
I'm sorry to hear about your grandson. I hope he's doing well now. I removed the link to the NephCure foundation in a bit of a kneejerk reaction. At the moment I'm one of the few people patrolling medical articles for links that are spammed by tort lawyer firms, pressure groups and crackpots. On the odd occasion I remove a bona fide link such as your own.

Nephron has now put the link back, and added some other useful resources. In general, it is better to improve the article itself rather than adding external links. JFW | T@lk  07:47, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Nephrotic syndrome is not always an easy diagnosis. I agree that the prognosis paragraph in the Wikipedia article is a bit gloomy. Perhaps Nephron, who seems to be a kidney expert in the making, could enlighten us. JFW | T@lk  17:52, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Removal from the Order of Canada
I wish to respond to your comments at this page. You said "Information on the individual to the individual's article page on the circumstance of the removal from the Order of Canada. Keep the Order of Canada page clean with just a reference to individuals removed and if necessary a separate article on the process for removal from the Order of Canada." The entire article is mainly about the removal process, the two people that were removed and about one movement to remove a person from the Order. I was wondering if you wish to look over the article again and reconsider your vote, or is there anything I did not respond to yet that I should respond to. Thanks you. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Tables
How to use tables - is this what you're looking for? Adam Bishop 14:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, in that case, I don't know...sorry! Adam Bishop 15:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Frank D. Moores
Why do you consider the category for People from Newfoundland and Labrador redundant, why does it exist if it cannot be used? HJKeats 22:11, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi! I didn't mean to imply that Frank Moores shouldn't be in the category, but rather that he is already in it. The category is redundant because he's already a member of Category:Newfoundland and Labrador premiers. This category is part of Category:Newfoundland and Labrador politicians, which is part of Category:People from Newfoundland and Labrador. So Moores was already in the category indirectly. My understanding is that an article should only be included in the most specific categories. It's not necessary to include it in the more general categories, since these are implied by specific categories (e.g. he's not in Category:People, either). I hope that this explains my revert. Please let me know if you have any concerns about it. Pburka 03:43, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a generic category that currently exists which will allow researches of each province a one-stop list that has everyone in it who has been a part of and influenced their history. As you say, those other lists are indirect, subsequently an individuals attachment to a particular province is inferred. HJKeats 10:12, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Right. But anyone who browses Category:People from Newfoundland and Labrador would immediately see that it has sub-categories. It's not necessary to include articles from sub-categories into the enclosing category, and I believe that it's discouraged. A quick perusal of other premiers indicates that it is conventional to list the premier in XXX premiers and not in People from XXX. See Joe Ghiz, Joey Smallwood, and Bob Rae, for example. Pburka 15:10, July 30, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah ha! I finally found it. I knew it was written down somewhere. Take a look at Categorization: An article should not be in both a category and its subcategory&hellip; (This is not a WP policy, but a WP guideline.) Pburka 15:34, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Copyrighted material
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as those to Herman William Quinton, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from web sites. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing! Fawcett5 03:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi again HK. Just to clarify, it does not matter in the slightest if the copyrighted material is in book form (even in from a limited print run) or from the web. Copyright on the encyclopaedia you reference is controlled by Memorial University. That being said, I invite you, even strongly encourage you, to add back the relevant information, but using only your own words, rather than excerpts from the encyclopaedia. By the way, it sounds like you are in possession of a very nice collectors item. Cheers, Fawcett5 13:22, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Another Copyviolation
HJ, I notice that 11 days after warning you about the innappropriateness of adding copyrighted material to the wiki, you went ahead and did it again with the George Cartwright (trader) article, which you lifted from the Dictionary of Canadian Biography. Please, please, stop &mdash; one possible consequence if you persist is that you might be banned from wikipedia, and I wouldn't want that to happpen! Fawcett5 04:24, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Similar! That an understatement if I ever heard it... Large chunks are directly cribbed! For example:

From your article:
 * In the spring of 1766, on John’s appointment as first lieutenant of the Guernsey, flagship of Commodore Hugh Palliser, George sailed with the governor-designate to Newfoundland where he spent a season cruising along the northeast coast.

From the DoCB:
 * In the spring of 1766, on John’s appointment as first lieutenant of the Guernsey, flagship of Commodore Hugh Palliser*, George sailed with the governor-designate to Newfoundland where he spent a season cruising along the northeast coast.

From your article:


 * ..his operations from 1770 to 1786 was the stretch of coastline between Cape Charles, where he occupied Nicholas Darby’s old site, and Hamilton Inlet

From the DoCB:
 * ...his operations from 1770 to 1786 was the stretch of coastline between Cape Charles, where he occupied Nicholas Darby*’s old site, and Hamilton Inlet.

From your article:


 * In his relations with the native peoples of Labrador, especially the Inuit, Cartwright displayed an honesty which led to mutual trust. In 1772 he took a family of five Inuit to England, where they created considerable interest, meeting with the king, members of the Royal Society including Joseph Banks, and James Boswell, who reported to a sceptical Samuel Johnson his ability to communicate with them by sign language.

From the DoCB:


 * In his relations with the native peoples of Labrador, especially the Inuit, Cartwright displayed an honesty which led to mutual trust. In 1772 he took a family of five Inuit to England, where they created considerable interest, meeting with the king, members of the Royal Society including Joseph Banks, and James Boswell, who reported to a sceptical Samuel Johnson his ability to communicate with them by sign language.

Anyway, knock it off, it just creates a headache for everyone else who has to come along later and clean up. Fawcett5 14:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

User Categorisation
You were listed on the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Canada page as living in or being associated with Newfoundland and Labrador. As part of the User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Wikipedians in Newfoundland & Labrador for instructions.--Rmky87 20:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

S.S. Nascopie
heya, thanks for the creating the article on the 'S.S. Nascopie'. however im not really sure what it is exactly, i assume it is some sort of ship, as it isnt mentioned in the article. thats just something i thought would be useful for people like me who have come across it by chance. Remy B 01:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Right, I failed to mention that it is a ship that was eventually operated by the Hudson Bay Company. Thanks for the tip HJKeats 01:22, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Map
HJ, quite honestly, I'm not sure if a watertight fair use provision argument could be made for the map or not, as the powers that be are really cracking down on this. It's worth a try though. At a minimum, the image needs to have a tag put on it and the rationale explained - you might try mentioning that only a small part of the total map was used, and that it is for informational purposes only, and that the use was intended to illustrate that specific area. It will also be important to provide more information about the source - who had it published and when? Note that the fact that the map is distributed for free actually carries little weight in terms of claiming fair use (actually, in Canada it is fair dealing). Fawcett5 19:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

DYK
Hi, in response to your question any interesting article created within 5 days can be on DYK, top billing goes to articles that have images with appropriate free licences. With the set up of the template it is most logical to have the article that accompanies the image first. Keep up the good work on the new articles.--nixie 13:16, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

St. John's
Hi, I thought you might be able to contribute to the discussion page Talk:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador on whether St. John's is the oldest settlement in North America. Jcmurphy 03:49, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Pleasantville.JPG
Thanks for uploading Image:Pleasantville.JPG. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use GFDL to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use or fairuse. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by going to "Your contributions" from your user page and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. --Pak21 10:59, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Placentia
I removed a good chunk of the Placentia article as it was a word for word duplication of the first part of the article-in other words the same paragraphs were put in the article twice for no apparent reason. Mícheál 01:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Siobhán Coady
Hi. I just wanted to say that your edits to this article are great. The article now clearly meets WP:BIO, and I changed my vote on the AfD accordingly. Skeezix1000 22:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. HJKeats 23:27, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Dr.Ann Duggan
Hey, I was wondering if you can comment on this page since you have added to it. Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ann_Duggan

Anakinskywalker 7:30, 06 January 2006 (UTC)

That's awesome man. I hope it stay but it's because of a user who has probelms with the University of Ottawa page that he is also wanting to delete the page. She is very established and can't believe she wouldn't be on here, when there are so many garbage article here.

I was wondering if you can add some input into a dispute if you have time. The page is the University of Ottawa talk page. I think some of the wording needs to be changed, but the same guy who request for the Ann Duggan page to be deleted, is the same guy who is deleting massive amounts of information without any sources, descriptions and proof to his claims. Any input would be great if you ge the chance, thanks!

Anakinskywalker 02:11, 07 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada
Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there! -- user:zanimum

What links here
Hi, I do that too, I like to see what appears at the end of the list...I don't think there is a way to make it appear in the opposite order, in fact I don't know why it appears the way it does in the first place (it used to be alphabetical as far as I remember). Sorry! Adam Bishop 02:12, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know, you'd probably have to talk to the MediaWiki developers, you could try to get a hold of one from http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Developers (or on the IRC channel maybe). Adam Bishop 02:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Humphrey T. Walwyn
Your recent edit to this article says that it's a disambig edit, but you only set the "Dartmouth College" link to invisibly point to Britannia Royal Naval College - there's no disambig there. THe BRNC, as far as I know, was never known as "Dartmouth College" despite being located in Dartmouth, England. "Dartmouth College" refers pretty exclusively to the college in New Hampshire, USA. Do you have knowledge on this person as to where he actually attended? If so, could you link this page to either one or the other? I tried Google, but the only sources I can come up with about where he attended are Wikipedia mirrors which all of course have "Dartmouth College". --└Smith120bh/TALK┐ 05:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, that's what I figured, but since Walwyn also spent a lot of time in Newfoundland, I wasn't sure. I changed the link to read "Dartmouth Britannia Royal Naval College" to clarify that - Americans reading the article would think the Dartmouth in New Hampshire on reading "Dartmouth College". --└Smith120bh/TALK┐ 00:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Moving disambiguation pages
Often with a dab page, the " (disambiguation)" is superfluous, see Malplaced disambiguation pages. There is no need to move pages to include the " (disambiguation)".--Commander Keane 20:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Mmm, I don't knwow why the question was removed and I'm glad you added it back in.


 * Keep in mind that the otheruses templates are just guides, and you should never change anything (eg move a page) to conform with them. The thing is, you only use the otheruses templates when a term redirects to the page and people might have been looking for antoher meaning.


 * So let us look at Hayward (profession). It doesn't need the "For other uses of Hayward, see Hayward (disambiguation)" at the top, since someone who typed in "Hayward" would go to Hayward, not Hayward (profession). No disambiguation notice is required at [Hayward (profession)]], this is why no template exists for that case.--Commander Keane 11:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Basically, you are misuing the templates - that's why they don't work. Ask the Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation, where you will hopefully get a better explanation. But what you are trying to do is unneeded. It would be like having "For another North American country, see Canada" at the top of United States.--Commander Keane 12:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thinking about Carolyn Hayward. The otheruses template facilitates navigation to disambiguation pages, if it's required.

Someone doesn't accidentally stumble upon Carolyn Hayward when they are looking for someone else - they have typed "Carolyn Hayward" into the search bar. If they were at Hayward, and then click on Carolyn Hayward and want to go back - then they can use the back botton on their browser (it's not up to us to provide a route back).

So, the thing your are trying to achieve with the names is nothing to do with disambiguation navigation (see my Canada/United States example above). I really don't think it neccessary to have anything at Carolyn Hayward.--Commander Keane 12:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Bach is completely different, becasue it redirects to an article: Johann Sebastian Bach. This is very different to the Hayward case. Take some time to think about the differences, if it's not clear to you.--Commander Keane 14:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Don Johnson Cup
Thank you for adding info on the Don Johnson Cup. If you know anything at all about the various Maritime leagues and championships, please help... these are the ones I know of, most of which I personally started:
 * Maritime Junior A Hockey League
 * Central/West Junior Hockey League
 * Island Junior Hockey League
 * Nova Scotia Junior B Hockey League
 * St. John's Junior B Hockey League
 * New Brunswick Junior Hockey League
 * Nova Scotia Junior C Hockey League
 * Prince Edward Island Minor Junior Hockey League
 * Don Johnson Cup
 * Maritime-Hockey North Junior C Championships

Any further help would be much appreciated. DMighton 01:16, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

List of communities in NFLD
Thanks for your note on the editing I forgot to get back to, I have straightened out the proper coding and added another 15 hamlets and villages. Perhaps you are not aware of a duplicate site Category:Communities in Newfoundland and Labrador I didnt see it on your User page, should somethinglike this be merged?, (originally from Stephenville via Harmon AFB) WayneRay 16:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

second similar list of NFLD towns and villages
Category:Communities in Newfoundland and Labrador this is the second and possibly duplicate list i found. I added a photo of Outer Cove at the header and it can be moved as soon as I put an article on Outer Cove, or leave it. also here are more photos if yo want to add them to wikimedia WayneRay 23:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

Coats of arms
I'd entirely forgotten about that image. Wikipedia's policy on coats of arms also seems to have changed since I uploaded it. The best thing to do would be to create a coat of arms oneself, or to ask a Wikipedian with some skill at illustration to do it. Otherwise, one might be able to find an image on the web and ask the creator to release the image under a free, reusable license. I'm going to take a look around myself and see who has been creating coats of arms for Wikipedia. If I find a helpful user, I'll certainly let you know. Jkelly 16:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

NFLD Cities
Didn't realize that so many communities existed in NL, keep up the good work. I have noticed that you have been applying the Category for Cities of Newfoundland and Labrador. According to provincial standards and regulations there are only three cities, St. John's, Corner Brook and Mount Pearl. On a different note, we should consider collaborating with other contributors of similar NL interests on projects or articles. HJKeats 19:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes this unpublished manuscript I have with my publishing company, has more than what I have put on in the A and T sections I just completed. but most are smaller than settlements or islands etc. Category for Cities hmmmm you may be right but I only just discovered what the categories do and what can link to them. We can remove them later but I haven't been to the category directly to see what it says on there. Yes future collaboration is a good idea. Also if you find any references in any of the articles, I have started a references link on the bottom of the main articcle list page, so add some there if you find any WayneRay 02:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

PLEASE DISCUSS THIS
I made two new sections contained in the list of communities in Newfoundland and LabradorI have put in articles for, I thought the original article page was reall long as there are so many communities. As each letter is article finished, do you other editors think this is a good idea and then we eventually get rid of the ==A== etc and end up with ==A NFLD Communities== etc on a smaller looking page? Please discuss before criticising me or putting it back the way it was, this is only a test. WayneRay 19:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

Newfoundland and Labrador WikiProject
Up for creating one? Oz Lawyer  16:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Right here. I'm not even a Newfie myself (married to one) so I'm no expert (been there twice), while you seem to be the most prolific Newfoundlander Wikipedian, so feel free to totally rearrange the page (which I just created a couple minutes ago). Oz Lawyer 
 * I'm already trying to find NL users and ask them to join, so if you have more names than are in Category:Wikipedians in Newfoundland & Labrador, then sure. Oz Lawyer  17:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, they've all been invited. I hope no one thinks that's spamming. Oz Lawyer  17:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Newfoundland and Labrador Census Division Map
Here you go:



-- Earl Andrew - talk 20:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * One could deffinately do those things in MS Paint. --Curlingstub.png Earl Andrew - talk 22:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Page cleanup
The new NFLD page looks terrific now after your cleanup, I was trying to find a way to let people know about the photo uploads and that they should not be made in wikipedia but in wikimedia, Can this be achieved on the main page or just a link back to the main wikipedia pages concerning uploads? Where did you find those extra Categories ?? I looked around and didnt see many. WayneRay 15:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

Uploading Pictures
DO NOT use wikipedia to upload photos, I know it works there but they are not recognized in the Wikimedia image library. You have to re-register in Wikimedia with your ame name and password and then use the Upload link. Use the only category for NFLD as the category link and then when you log back in to here, use the same image name when you put it in a article. WayneRay 21:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

License tagging for Image:NL-CD-Div-01.png
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Flags
Thanks in relation to the Labrador one, but the Tricolour I just pulled off the main Flag of Newfoundland and Labrador page. It needs some work, especially since there's apparently a good amount of debate about what it really means. Oz Lawyer  00:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great. And thanks back to you for all the work you've done on Newfoundland articles—you've done a whole lot more than I have.  In fact...

Newfoundland Tricolour
If we can get this article up to shape within the next couple days, we can submit it for "Did you know?" The fact that it is one of the oldest (and only) flags to use the colour pink is, I think, good enough for it to go up. I already referenced the pink fact from an article in the Independent. I think we should get to work, using your book and other sources we can find, to clean up the article quickly. Do you agree? Oz Lawyer  01:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Native's Society page. If there was another source for the flag influencing the creation of the Irish Tricolour, specifically one relating to that flag and not the Newfoundland Tricolour, that would be great.  I couldn't find anything in my quick search.  I think the article is probably ready for DYK, although it certainly can use some work.  Would you mind nominating it?  I noticed the templates on your talk page about previous DYKs, so you seem to know what to do. Oz Lawyer  15:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, a paper reference for this statement would be nice: "The tricolour was flown at Government House during the Boyle and Murray administrations at the turn of the 20th century and was shown on 19th century flag charts as the flag of Newfoundland." Oz Lawyer  15:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Incorporated.  One more thing to cite is the "and one of the oldest in use in Canada" line, and add the information that it is the second oldest after the fleur-de-lis (which I read on one of the webpages, I think), if such information can be found in a reliable source.


 * P.S. - Do you know anything about formatting? I'd like to get the verse numbers I put on the song to show up in front of the first line of each verse without breaking the columnar view. <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  15:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * One more thing... all three references in the first paragraph are to the Independent article. Do either of your books mention the same thing? <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  16:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I like your statement for the DYK, and I've edited the article to make it fit. Want to submit it? <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  16:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  17:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If you have things to add to/change about the tricolour flag page, go ahead, it's not like it's my page. <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  00:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

 * Thanks for the help and the nomination, HJ. I didn't actually get to see the article up on the DYK section, though! :( <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  16:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, look down. Did you know you're a community in Newfoundland and Labrador? :) <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  17:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just wondering if Newfoundland was ever at the Olympics. I can't find anything on the web, so I assume it was not, although not finding anything on the web isn't real proof.  If Newfoundland did compete in any Olympic games (they definitely didn't win any medals), I think an article about that would be neat to write (although I fear they really didn't compete). We could write up something about Newfoundland at the Commonwealth Games, I guess. <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  18:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

S.S. Florizel
Looks good, let's do it. <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  19:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a great use of the WikiProject. We need more use like that. <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  22:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. <b style="color:black;">Oz</b> Lawyer  23:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

CNS images
Thank you very much for undertaking this effort. You can just include the PD-Canada tag in the upload summary (by including the text " ") instead of selecting a license from the "licensing" drop-down. You can also give give all other information on an image in the upload summary, such as the source, photographer, and an explanation why the image would be PD in the U.S., too. Luckily, they give enough background for us to determine that.

As to copyright: any photograph (not subject to Crown Copyright, but that doesn't apply here) created before 1949 is in the public domain in Canada, so you won't have to worry about that. The rules for the U.S. are summarized neatly on Peter Hirtle's chart. Let's look at the photographers one by one: The problematic cases are thus Bert Holloway, Parsons' sons, and Vey. However, even if their works were unpublished, PD-old-70 applies to Bert Holloway and Vey, if we assume that the first publication of these photos was by the museum on their web site and that web site went on-line after 2002.
 * Robert Edward Holloway died September 4, 1904. His photographs were published as postcards and in books, guides, and magazines at the turn of the century, and his family published a book containing images of his in 1910. I think we may safely assume that all his images are PD-US (published before 1923) and PD-old, too (as he died more than 100 years ago). No worries with unpublished images.
 * His son Bert Holloway died April 14, 1917. His widow then copyrighted all the images. No worries though, the Canadian copyright has long expired. Unfortunately, the museum doesn't say whether his images were published. Maybe these are unpublished works, i.e. works that were not published while they were copyrighted. See below.
 * Simon Henry Parsons died March 1, 1908. His photographs were published in his lifetime. PD-US and PD-old-70 apply.
 * The situation about Parsons' sons is unclear.
 * James Vey died 1922; it is unknown whether his photos were published.

So, to make a concrete example, for a photo by Robert Edward Holloway, I'd use an upload summary like this:
 * "<Description>
 * Immediate image source: <URL> at the CNM
 * Photographer: Robert Edward Holloway (d. September 4, 1904)
 * PD-Canada
 * Holloway's pictures were published pre-1923, see http://www.library.mun.ca/qeii/cns/photos/geogfindaid.php
 * PD-US
 * PD-old"

Finally, upload any images that are PD to the Commons!

HTH, Lupo 09:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Theft
I actually just ripped off this:

<div style="padding: 0px; background: #f5deb3; border-style: ridge; border-width: 5px; border-color: #C6AEC7;"> notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add  to the top of Laura Strong. JASpencer (talk) 11:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, there
Hi, there, what's up? LANGOLASSI (talk) 20:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Connaigre, Newfoundland and Labrador
A tag has been placed on Connaigre, Newfoundland and Labrador requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ~ LegoKontribsTalkM 23:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * At that time, there was very little context. Next time I would recomend creating the article in your own userspace, as a subpage, and once it has enough material to be classified as a stub, you can copy it to the actual title, so that it does not get tagged as WP:CSD.  Thanks, ~ LegoKontribsTalkM 00:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this new policy for creating articles within Wikipedia, if so I will gladly adhere to them. --HJKeats (talk) 00:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not a policy, but it would increase the quality of the article, and that way it wont be tagged for CSD. ~ LegoKontribsTalkM 00:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If that is the way you like it, then that is fine. Next time though, put under construction that way it will not be tagged for CSD ~ LegoKontribsTalkM 00:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Connaigre, Newfoundland and Labrador
You're welcome. It seems that your article had few context when it was tagged for speedy deletion (although it already had enough context when it was created, in my opinion). Next time you create an article which is going to be expanded in less than 24 hours, add to the very top of the article, but do not create articles consisting only of this template. And thanks for placing instead of removing the speedy deletion tag, which is unfortunately what many people do. Victao lopes (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Fort Chain Rock / Anti-submarine net - St. Johns
Hi HJKeats,

I was wondering if you had any sources of information for Fort Chain Rock in St. John's, or pertaining to the chain/anti-submarine boom over St. John's harbour. I was working on The Battery (St. John's) and cant find an appropriate source for this information. Thanks! Mdavidbaird (talk) 15:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hard Hard Times/ Rigs of the Times/ Hard Times of Old England
The relationship between the various members of this family, is discussed here: (http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=63228).

In the Roud folk song index, (http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/home.cgi?access=off) this song is listed as song number "Roud 876". If you inspect "Roud id number" = S147319 it lists the first line as "So now I'm intending to sing youa a song" and the title as "Hard Hard Times", as given in the book "Penguin Book of Canadian Folk Songs" (1973) by Fowke, page 52-3. the words are given here: (http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2511). Under the same Roud number you will find other titles, for example "Rigs of the Time" (S159416). The lyrics of the Steeleye Span version are given here (http://www.poemhunter.com/song/hard-times-of-old-england/). As you can see the words are totally different, but the scansion is the same and the sentiments very similar.

Now you could of course argue that each of these versions deserves its own article within Wikpedia, but that would lose the valuable sense of continuity that exists in the evolution of of an idea. The most recent version of this song is the one re-written by Maddy Prior. Again the words are totally different but the scansion and sentiments are very similar. Ogg (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Trepassey, Newfoundland and Labrador
The article doesn't cite any sources. If you have any handy, please add them and remove the unreferenced template. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  22:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Mistakes in Crow Head, Newfoundland and Labrador infobox
Hi... just notifying you that Crow Head is in Census Division #8, not #5 and is under the Bonavista-Gander-Grand Falls-Windsor electoral district (Scott Simms), not the Avalon district. I've fixed those two mistakes on the article. ~NeonFire372~ (talk) 13:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I've also noticed that the postal code you entered is incorrect as well as the land area and population density. I've fixed all that data from the Head community profile at Statistics Canada. Can I ask where you found the incorrect information? ~NeonFire372~ (talk) 13:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Musical interlude
Check this link - - Sláinte Sarah777 (talk) 23:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Unincorporated communities
Hi Keats,

I have finished adding the infoboxes to the NL town articles. I am about to start in on the unincorporated communities. What do you think should be in the "settlement type" field for those articles? Does it make sense to use "unincorporated community" for all the communities listed on List of communities in Newfoundland and Labrador?

Neelix (talk) 15:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Keats,


 * I couldn't agree more. Any wrinkles should get ironed out before the bulk of the work begins.  Would you mind making the proposal to the WikiProject?  You seem to have a clearer idea of what kind of classifications would be helpful.  Many of the articles do not mention their specific settlement type, therefore some of the "settlement type" fields will need to be temporarily left blank or temporarily filled out as "unincorporated community".  Which of these two options do you find most agreeable for the short term?


 * Neelix (talk) 00:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Maritimes
Yes it is, and I'll start an RFC over it if I have to. Me-123567-Me (talk) 03:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

AM radio
There's no such thing as an -AM suffix in broadcasting. The call sign of an AM radio station is always just "CXXX" with no suffix, ever — WikiProject Radio Stations accordingly uses (AM), rather than -AM, when an AM radio station needs to be disambiguated from something else with the same four-letter acronym. Bearcat (talk) 20:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

New articles
The best thing to do is to contact User:Alex Bakharev, because he's the one who maintains User:AlexNewArtBot, the bot that actually populates the new article lists. There's a set of instructions on the bot's user page for how to set up a new feed, but I'm finding it kind of confusing — so it would be better to talk to Alex himself about it. Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 18:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Anything But Conservative
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Anything But Conservative, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. TheMolecularMan (talk) 14:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Siobhán Coady
We can't really extrapolate an AFD from 2005 to today, for two reasons: back in 2005 Wikipedia practice was much more lax about the presence of references in the article, and we hadn't yet come up with the alternate solution of including unelected candidates in list articles. If you feel she's notable enough for her own independent article, you can always undo the redirect, but you would need to add actual verifiable references about her from reliable sources. The article can't just stand on its own without any references anymore — in 2005 we could get away with that, but not now. Bearcat (talk) 17:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects don't typically require AFD discussion first. If they're disputed after the fact, they should generally be taken there for discussion in lieu of an edit war, but they don't have to go to AFD in advance. But again, I want to stress that the article can be recreated anytime somebody takes the initiative to add some actual verifiable references — and if she wins on election night, it'll also go back to being an independent article within a day or two at the most. Bearcat (talk) 18:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting
It will be interesting to see you prove that no one saw Neptune before 1846. I have given extensive references to the MacTutor article, in the Talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.202.155 (talk) 11:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I’m sorry, but I cannot prove it. Conversely proof must also be sought from an editor who places strong factual statements without a citation. The only reason why I had removed the edits is because the subheading and single line statement looked out-of-place and no reference was cited to backup the claim. --HJKeats (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)