User talk:HJ Mitchell/Alternate/Archive 1

Bhurshut
Why did editor Moonriddengirl ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moonriddengirl#Bhurshut ) delete the rewritten post which had no copyright problem? Elsewhere you say there is no issues if the article was rewritten and so was it done to avoid any possible copyright violation. Till it was deleted by Moonriddengirl and so you are requested to restore the latest rewritten version ignoring any personal issues which Moonriddengirl seems to have regarding this article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.79.182 (talk) 07:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's okay, she hasn't deleted the article, she's just removed a few edits from the history so there's no trace of the copyright violation left. The article is still there though, so don't panic! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   07:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Please check the old post to see that 90% of the article rewritten by MangalKavya was deleted. The trace left is of little use to anyone compared to the whole article and more importantly when whole of the rest 90% deleted by her was rewritten so why delete and on what ground? 117.254.79.182 (talk) 07:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably because the paraphrasing was judged to be too close to the original. Wikipedia has to be very careful about copyright because it is is licensed under a very unrestrictive licence, meaning that most of it can be copied just about anywhere with just a link and because website owners and businesses tend be quite unhappy when their material is reproduced in violation of their copyright. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   08:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * More on this at User talk:Moonriddengirl. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

ITN and DYK icons
Hey there HJ Mitchell. Your ITN and DYK icons are starting to intermingle with the "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" text, and they would probably go off the screen as your great ITN and DYK work continues. Could you possibly move them to a subpage? Thanks. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  16:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I have quite wide screen and they were just over half way across the page. Is this any better? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Your England flag is now doing the same thing to me. I'm a web developer so I can take a look and see if I can sort it all out if you want? -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 17:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Isn't the flag supposed to be over at the side? dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 17:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to try and see if you can improve it and yes, the flag is supposed to be there. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Its better but the Flag is now too low. The issue is basically that you were using position: absolute; which is evil. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 18:10, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My markup skills are atrocious- I just copied the flag from someone else and changed the image. If there's a better bit of code that keeps the flag right up in that corner, then by all mean feel free to tweak! :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, it should all be OK now, and the flag should be in the right place. Tested in Internet Explorer 7/Internet Explorer 8/Safari/Firefox. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 19:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, now it's very broken. Firefox on a 12" laptop, and tested IE6 as well. All the ITN etc are much below where topicons usually are (which I assume was the intended effect), and the flag is nowhere near the logo. so  nia ♫♪ 21:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Better? -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 21:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it actually looks better now. I know that it's not where it's supposed to be; but it looks good. Maybe you could put the image in a gray box or something so it doesn't just look like a red cross.  Mr. R00t    Talk  21:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks jumbled when I view it even with the changes. Using a 13" MacBook with Firefox on Mac OS X 10.6.3. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 22:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

This is how it looks for me. I have lowered the icons a little more so it should look better, but now someone else will probably complain they are too low :p. Wiki html editing is hard :(. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Now the English flag covers up the teal page title. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 22:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Much better. Thanks 1234r00t. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 22:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Stop screwing around with the interweb, guys. Who do you think has to clean the series of tubes? Half  Shadow  22:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Give credit to Eraserhead1 to! He did most of the work. The above is what it looks like to me.  Mr. R00t    Talk  22:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm, it looks odd on my screen (if it matters I use Google Chrome and the old monobook settings). Here's a screenshot:


 * The flag is supposed to be right up in the corner, behind the Wikipedia logo. Can I have it back? Whisky drinker  &#124;  HJ's sock   23:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It never went behind the wikipedia logo. It was blocking it out. I'll mess around with it to try and get it back there. I think though that you'd have to get into the actual HTML of wikipedia to break into it being behind the Wikipedia logo. I can try though.  Mr. R00t   Talk  23:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC
 * Sonia fixed it. I made the image smaller so that it would not block out your page title. Is that what you wanted Whisky drinker/HJ Mitchell?  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, it definitely was behind the Wikipedia logo: . Works on Chrome and Firefox, not tried on Safari or Internet Explorer yet (can try IE if necessary, Safari probably not possible since I'll be running stuff up in a non-OSX VM). TFOWR 23:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's behind the logo for me sometimes, and in front at other times, for no apparent reason. Weird. so  nia ♫♪ 23:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * (many ECs!) It's still me, I was just logged into this account when I opened up WP and can't be arsed to log into my main account! The flag is back where I like it, but now the amusing tag is all squashed, there's a huge chunk of whitespace and the recognised content icons are all left aligned. Would it make a difference if I put the icons on a subpage and transcluded onto my (HJ's) userpage? Whisky drinker  &#124;  HJ's sock
 * I know that you're HJ Mitchell The recognized content thing is a good idea. I made it at User:HJ Mitchell/Recognised. I can put it up on the page if you want or you can do it.  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

✅-  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Whiskey Drinker, I have no clue what I'm doing and I did that comment(match IP to find it) for fun and for the admins to laugh, I was partying too, sorry. However I did it from friends internet not knowing you guys have this watch system in place. I apologize for that, please don't associate this IP to anything flagged my friend is a great guy, wouldn't pull or tolerate that and HE uses wiki more than I which is incredibly almost impossible. Sorry about that, hope there was some chuckle or laugh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.85.252 (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Flag by Wikipedia-logo
It's at User:HJ Mitchell/Recognised That way we can f*** up the code there!  Mr. R00t   Talk  23:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I appear to have fixed it to the way it was a while ago. After a while you are going to need to make another table underneath that with  in between the two tables. Hope I helped.   Mr. R00t    Talk  00:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Might want to take a look at this. There is a big ol' space at the top of the page and it is smooshing the "amusing banner" over to the right.  Might want to tinker with that for a couple. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 00:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Root. Homer's right though, there's still a bloody massive chunk of whitespace at the top and it squashing the tag. Whisky drinker  &#124;  HJ's sock   00:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The flag is causing the problem, when I moved it up the whitespace moved up with it, goto the User page and you'll see what I mean... Perhaps the flag should just be part of the page instead of being up at the top-left corner of the page...  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  01:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * After some serious tinkering I've come to the conclusion that the ambox and flag's div tags are causing the problem, I fixed the alignment for them both but the whitespace still follows now the recognised content is all over the place :S  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  01:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What was wrong with the flag how it was? Also, would it make a difference if the recognised content were trnascluded froma subpage? Whisky drinker  &#124;  HJ's sock   01:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have my userpage transcluded from different subpages. Nothing is actually there but a banner (for the moment) and it seems to work better than everything being on the page. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 01:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, I now have a greater appreciation of the fact that my userpage works for most people. (Not all, though. :P) so  nia ♫♪ 01:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 2 in a row for that matter, anyway, the div tags are your problem, restore everything the way it was goto User:TonyTheTiger's userpage and use a recognised content layout like his. Your problems should be over if you do that HJ.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  02:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * HJ Mitchell- It's already being transcluded ( - ) which does not appear to help other than that it's easier to move the credits around.  Mr. R00t    Talk  02:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's when all your problems started, I'm gonna try and do what I suggested earlier, the English Flag will still blot out part of the Wikipedia Logo but for organisational purposes it's worth it.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  02:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok done tweaking. How's it look?  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  02:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I put all the ITN and DYK (plus the GA and FA) icons and the Mop and Twinkle Dude in here. Took out some spacing and boom, done. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Homer! You just earned yourself a barnstar! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Couldn't have just added that here? It seems like that would have saved you time.  Mr. R00t    Talk  02:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It can be moved to the other page and the "TopMenu" page deleted. Whichever works.  Just don't forget to transclude it to the main userpage. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Shall I delete the topmenu page, then? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply to Fridae'sDoom: One of your edits (this one) undid my previous changes. I've tried to change it back. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 02:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

er... is that flag supposed to cover up the Wikipedia-logo now? I thought we fixed that.  Mr. R00t   Talk  03:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I hate to trouble you guys, but there's a stray "</span" in the top right of the page now! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * x2 Hmm where'd that come from. Dffgd: I know but the div tag problem started there, I undid the problem from there then Homer fixed the rest of it. You could possibly add what I reverted. Sorry about that but HJ's page became a mess, so I tackled the problem from the roots. Barnstars pl0x? lolz jokes  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  02:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed :D  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  02:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't you love your stalkers, HJ? ;)  so  nia ♫♪ 02:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They certainly make things entertaining! And now I know I have stalkers to fix it, I'll tinker with the markup more often! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * :P Do admins ever have leashes? :P  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  02:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Are we now using "position=absolute;" on the image? I thought we were using "position=relative;". Would it be bad if I changed that? Is that the price we must pay to get rid of that (horrid) white space? I also changed around the User:HJ Mitchell/Recognised by adding a  in the middle of the links. I think it looks better.   Mr. R00t    Talk  03:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be nice if the flag (no matter in front or behind the puzzle globe) be shrunk just a tick and made flush with the "User Page" Box line. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 03:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you both, but don't add those horrid div tags... they were the cause of all this muckup.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  03:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep relative is what causes the problem, I just made the flag less wide since it was eating up a bit of the text.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  03:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're probably all asleep but I did some really cool stuff to HJ's userpage. Instead of the ugly way it was before while we had it as absolute I've no covered all of the Wikipedia logo with the flag. As you can see by my spamming the history I was cautious. I think you guys will like what I did.  Mr. R00t    Talk  04:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am never asleep before 4am EST. :) I looked at the userpage and the flag is up high above the puzzle globe.  Was that intended?  If so, it looks good.  I would perfer if it were dead in the middle with the globe, but that is just me. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was the intended purpose, I like it better were it is. Nice work Root :D  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  04:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, just wanted to make sure. Good work Root. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

x30- You guys shut up for a second so that I can say something. I am not in the mood for another editconflict! I'm gonna leave it alone and not move it any more. I think we should leave it be until HJ wakes up again so that he can say if he likes it.  Mr. R00t   Talk  04:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Strange you got ECs. No one edited the talk page for 5 minutes before your post.  My post above was the last one until yours there.  Strange. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I agree with Root, we should wait until HJ is awake... which he should be in... 5-6 hours considering he lives in London.  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  06:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, only 6:44am GMT there right now. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 06:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How are all of you guys awake? Fridae'sDoom, your timezone is understandable, but where do the rest of you guys live that you're still online? so  nia ♫♪ 07:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am in Virginia (so 3:18am as of this writing) and I am always up this late. I am a night owl.  Sleep all day, up all night. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 07:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, I love the Southern Hemisphere, the only countries in it are all ahead of the rest of the world. As they say, "Don't worry about the world ending today, it's already tomorrow in Australia."  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  09:52, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutralhomer: wow. How do you ever see people? Fridae'sDoom: Um... South America...? That said, I know what you mean, as a Kiwi. I <3 being exactly UTC+12, I really do. (Only thing is... when everyone else is out enjoying the summer, we're slogging through the worst of winter, like now. :P )  so  nia ♫♪ 10:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to hazard a guess that the weather in Auckland right now is no worse than the weather in Glasgow. My rule of thumb is Glasgow's summer temperature is the same as Auckland's winter temperature. Obviously, if you're a Mainlander or other non-Jafa your milage may vary ;-) TFOW<b style="color:#F00">R</b> 10:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh all right, point taken. :P Meh, I was born in the tropics, so I'm the hardiest of our family. In the office sometimes everyone else is wearing thick jackets and I walk in wearing a blouse and skirt, and I feel hardy- but compared to most of you folks, not really. Remind me never to move to the UK ;) so  nia ♫♪ 11:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Skin problems (pun intended)

 * Do you guys realise that you've racked up about 80 edits to my userpage between you? Combined with the two vandals and Fridae's updating, you have to scroll right the way down the history to find my name! ;) Is there a reason the flag is above the wiki logo and I can only see half of it? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   11:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Three separate options - or would you like it lower still? so  nia ♫♪ 12:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Better, but lower would be nice if at all possible. I'll be back in a couple of hours. I do have a life outside of Wikipedia, but only just! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Now? Well, we ended up right back at just about the same thing... so  nia ♫♪ 13:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay...In reply to some earlier posts: I was asleep, so I'm going to try to sort through all some of the posts here...Also, I redid those changes. Next time I won't do it when there's a major markup change going on! :) dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 13:29, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... What's wrong with what I did to it? I thought that we were trying to get it over the wiki logo? Can I just restore my version of that section of the page? Unless HJ wants it to be covering the wikipedia the free encyclopedia part but not the entire logo.  Mr. R00t    Talk  14:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Root: Screenshot, please? I don't think I did that. Maybe it's a browser difference. so  nia ♫♪ 14:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Current revision in my browser (Latest Firefox on Mac OS X):before it looked like this to me:. Which browser were you using in which skin? All shown in box.

looks like that in monobook.  Mr. R00t   Talk  15:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As for why I was up so late is that I'm currently acting very Chzzlike. I'm drinking large amounts of tea and not sleeping. I'm Pacific timezone.  Mr. R00t    Talk  15:13, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks the same for me (vector, IE8, Windows Vista) as the vector picture above (right over the WP logo) but the logo is in front of the flag. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 15:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Could I have a screen shot from as many users who know how and are willing? I'd like to be able to solve the problem. Anyone know if there's something that can change what code the page uses depending on the skin?  Mr. R00t   Talk  15:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * x5 Wow. That is weird. I'm using vector, FF on XP. However, my revision looked to me like yours does for you, more or less. I wonder... Maybe it's because I have such a small screen? (n.b. It looks utterly bizarre on IE6. Try it.)
 * Is it a new day for you now? It's now the 15th over here, and it's 3:17 in the morning. (Screenshots coming as soon as I finally manage to save this.) so nia ♫♪ 15:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Root's screenshot is exactly how it looks for me (monobook ran back screaming as soon as they changed it! Damn I hate vector! and latest Google Chrome). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try to use the outside website NeutralHomer used. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 15:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Now it is perfect when I view it. Firefox 3.6 on Mac OS X 10.6.3 on a 13" MacBook with vector skin. The icons are no longer jumbled and the flag is no longer wonky. Also, your sock now has a teal page title. Face-wink.svg ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know any code that will identify the skin the visitor is using and then adjust what they see accordingly? That seems to be the best choice right now. Sonia- Right now it's 8:34 AM on July 14, 2010. Cheers,  Mr. R00t    Talk  15:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Screenshot. Vector, IE8. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 15:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * For some reason the only way I can make it go behind the wiki-logo on Firefox is to use "position=relative" which than brings us back to the large whitespace problem. Wait a second; I think I might have a solution. Don't touch  Mr. R00t    Talk  15:40, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

x2 There's my shots from about 5 mins ago. (Wow, a lot of people going to a lot of trouble!) Now I should really get to bed, but I have to check my watchlist one last time. Just one. so nia ♫♪ 15:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * My previous edit didn't work. Back to the drawing board.  Mr. R00t    Talk  15:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone have CS5 suite or anything useful like that? I can install it as I have the install disk. I've just not bothered yet as it takes 2.5 hours. If I use it I can make the flag taller so that the vertical red line is longer but the horizontal line is not. Let me know  Mr. R00t    Talk  15:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Then it's not very, well, flag-like. I usually have access to CS5, but I'm not commuting today (thank goodness!) so I can't do it for you. Why not use Paint? Joking, joking. so  nia ♫♪ 15:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to repeat this again: "Does anyone know any code that will identify the skin the visitor is using and then adjust what they see accordingly? That seems to be the best choice right now."  Mr. R00t    Talk  15:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No idea, sorry. so  nia ♫♪ 16:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone looked at my screenshot yet? The logo is in front of the flag! Also, FYI, use to say. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 16:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, so that's how you do it- thanks! (As for the screenshot: No, sorry. Our modem is very slow of late, and it doesn't like that site.) so  nia ♫♪ 16:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I looked. I just can't download IE6 right now so I can't look at the HTML to check. Guys (and girls); I have an idea. Do any of you know how to view the actual HTML code of a website? Any of you that do could you please copy all of it and send it as an e-mail to me? (this is the link to email me) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1234r00t (talk • contribs) 16:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, what? The code is the same for all of us, is it not? It's just how the browser renders the code. If we're all using the same skin. so  nia ♫♪ 16:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Amazing! No one's posted in this section for 5 minutes! dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 16:20, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Sonia; you're mistaken. the code is often subtly different between browsers.

To view the source of User:HJ Mitchell you would have to go to that page and follow the following directions: In Firefox you go to View -> Page Source, In Internet Explorer I think it's View -> Source and in Safari you do View -> View Source. I need to see the differences in HTML code for those/ see if there is any difference. I've got Safari and Firefox. I need the recent versions of Internet Explorer's code. Don't worry this isn't illegal or anything.  Mr. R00t   Talk  16:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * @Dffgd: . @root: Uh... I should hope we all know how to view source, and that it's not illegal, so I doubt anyone's worrying. What specific revisions do you want? Only IE6 here, don't have the newer versions. so  nia ♫♪ 16:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you send an email either through here or by emailing sauronthefish@gmail.com with the title HJ Mitchell's Userpage HTML. Or something like that. I need you to copy all of the code from the Page Source and put it into the email. I'd suggest using the one going through here as it tends to not mess up an email when you put in HTML.  Mr. R00t    Talk  16:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I didn't mean the wikitext. I meant the HTML/XHTML/CSS/Javascript that is the foundation of HJ Mitchell's userpage.  Mr. R00t   Talk  16:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that. I was just asking if you also wanted the source for some of the older revisions (just to compare between the browsers, not with the current one). Ah well, I'll send you the current one anyway. so  nia ♫♪ 16:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this would be a good thing for all of them to go off of. I already did FF with MoNoBook and Vector so you needn't worry about those.  Mr. R00t    Talk  16:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll probably have these done tomorrow. Then I'll break into the HTML (I've already found 4 problems) and fix it.  Mr. R00t    Talk  16:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well. It seems that I'm going to have to wait for a reply at Help_desk. Apparently media wiki isn't as open to code breakers as most websites. So it looks like our choices are as follows:


 * 1) Teach ourselves how to create a tag that will identify the skin the visitor is using and then adjust what they see accordingly.
 * 2) Just live with it
 * 3) Take out the flag
 * 4) Keep beating our heads against HJ's user page until we fix it. Let me know what you think the best option is. I'm leaning towards number 1... Cheers,   Mr. R00t    Talk  17:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You could do what you've been doing all along&mdash;#4, but without the "fix it" part. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 17:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I'm using Monobook to see if I can figure out the problem. I can do my best though!  Mr. R00t    Talk  21:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, when I checked after your most recent edit it looked damn near perfect. Obviously, I'm not "the client", but still... good work! <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 21:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Of course it looks good; you use Monobook. That's what that edit was geared at.  Mr. R00t   Talk  21:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * @Sonia: Oh yeah right South America and Africa :P Forgot about them lol, we were doing so well when we forgot HJ uses Monobook (blech), now it's blotting out the Wikipedia the Free Encyclopdia tagline on the logo... for Vector at least... Use Vector HJ!!!  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  23:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember it was -20 Centigrade in... Hangzhou and I was only wearing a jumper and a t-shirt, heh my mum and her friend were like "What the heck!?" Good times. This godforsaken logo problem varies... it's fine on Windows 7 Enterprise with IE8 and Vector for me, well was since you guys changed it >.>  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  23:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * When HJ said tinerking with the markup I didn't believe him but now... I dunno... on a completely unrelated note, nothing like a Neopolitan Ice-Cream on a winter's day :P  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  23:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, for my current opinion on this, see below. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 23:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Your flag
I think I've fixed your flag but, as you and TFOWR are the only ones that use Monobook I have to ask you guys what you think. So... What do you think of it? User:Ale jrb suggested something that I'm going to try.  Mr. R00t   Talk  21:44, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I use monobook too and it is dead in the middle of the puzzle globe, right where it should be. Looks awesome! :)  Great job Root! - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 22:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * EXCELLENT! That's exactly where it should be. Why would you use Vector anyway? Horrible, horrible skin. Tanks Root, nicely done! If I hadn;t already given you on, I'd give you a barnstar! ;) Whisky drinker  &#124;  HJ's sock   22:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The only reason that I use Vector is because when I started <3 months ago that was the default. For now I'm going to be using Monobook.  Mr. R00t    Talk  22:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ale jrb is not responding which makes it difficult for me to contact him.  Mr. R00t    Talk  22:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It's screwed up again. For the vector code, something similar to this could be used, but with the English flag. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐ • ✍) 22:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Which still doesn't work with Monobook. We just have to wait til Ale jrb wakes up.  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:11, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ... Here's my interpretation of what's happened so far: The flag is in the wrong place. Well, let's work with it a bunch 'til it finally works in Vector. (later, after some work) Congratulations! It works in Vector! It just doesn't work as well in Monobook. Well, we can fix that, right? We just need to figure out how. (later, after more work) Wow! We finally did it! Amazing! It's smack in the middle of the right place, even in Monobook! One problem: it doesn't work in Vector anymore. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 23:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I could just put a note on the page saying that some aspects of it might look odd if viewed in skins other than monobook. But that would be too easy, wouldn't it? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, what I say is too easy is taking out the flag. It's obviously much better to fight with the code in first Vector and then Monobook, while always having something wrong in one or the other. dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 00:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... well you could try make a script like if skin= Vector else blah blah, if and else conditionals work marvels :D  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  01:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh um HJ, what's that mass rollback script do, I know it's for emergencies but what else?  Fridae&#39;§ Doom  &#124;  Talk to me  01:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It gives you a button on contributions pages that rolls back every edit by that editor in a single click. Handy, but don't click it by accident! It's a bit like The Big Red Button That Must Never Be PressedTM ;)! I used it yesterday on a spambot and I've used it on vandals a few times. It's handy for quickly getting rid of mass spam/vandalism. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * For those who like monobook, what do you think of this? — m o n o   01:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm that skin is not so bad, Vector is still better IMO.  Fridae'§Doom &#124;  Talk to me  02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm going to be gone for a few days, so I won't be able to see this story unfold...or give any more helpful commentary. :) dffgd &#91;messages·edits&#93; 12:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Sad
I have almost as many edits to your userpage as I have to mine.  Mr. R00t   Talk  19:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahem! I make it 54 + 18 = 72. 72 > 59. Transcluded subpages count, too! ;-) <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 20:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bloody hell. You've racked up over 100 edits to this talk page, over 50% of your edits are to user talk pages, yet you've never made more than 6 edits to an article? How did you manage that? You should do some article work, my friend. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Vandalism patrol. Very few articles get vandalism (that gets past Cluebot, you, and NSD) more than a few times.  Mr. R00t    Talk  20:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Aaah, well Whisky drinker isn't much better. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)



Would something like that work for the flag? See my sandbox, which is a copy of an old one of Mono's editnotices, for the usage. Currently it's reading your gender and telling you stuff that you should already know. ;)  Mr. R00t    Talk  20:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's spooky! If you can get it to detect the reader's skin (or at least monobook/vector, the most common), you could be on to something. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Still trying to fix the godforsaken flag problem eh?  Fridae'§Doom &#124;  Spare your time?  23:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, we are trying to fix that bloody flag. By the time we fix it England's flag will have changed and we'll have to start over.  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow
Look at this. Isn't that just stupid? Are they trying to get reverted?  Mr. R00t   Talk  15:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently so! Lol! Btw, I saw you've been keeping the vandals at bay on Whisky drinker's userpage with your own sock. I've fully protected it now. I also gave your sock some flags! :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot all about that revert. You're welcome for the revert. And thanks for the flags. I probably was about to request them. Thanks!


 * Also, I found out how to do the Vector= one file Monobook= other file. It's going to be a complete pain in the ass but I'm sure I can do it.... I can't actually get it done for a while since I'm going to Northern California on Friday and won't be back until the end of Sunday. I'll probably finish the template for you by next Tuesday or so.  Mr. R00t    Talk  16:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well don't rush- the world isn't going to end because the flag is in the wrong place to people unlucky enough to be stuck with Vector or stupid enough to have opted for it! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've opted for it... <span style="font-family:'arial bold',serif;border:1px solid Black;"> N419 BH  16:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem right now is that I just don't know which function to use. I could use read={skin file} or I can do (this is a messy script that I created that works on Wikipedia it's similar to one that I've used before though):

read -n= {skin file(s)} if [1] skin == Vector open VECTOR if [2] skin == Monobook open MONO if [1]= true echo "$VECTOR" if [1]= false echo "MONO"
 * 1) !/bin/bash
 * Total gibberish! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

It's really to bad that Wikipedia doesn't support bash... Better try something else.  Mr. R00t   Talk  16:41, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the code so it looks better now. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  16:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, as the code is not usable in Wikipedia it really doesn't matter.  Mr. R00t    Talk  16:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That code runs great when I run it on my shell. It's pure bash (kinda). Though when I run it I had to specify what URL to read the code from. If you were willing to let my shell run that script (with a few modifications) at all times and have it help you we would no longer have a problem. It's risky, but I think it could work.  Mr. R00t    Talk  16:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd take the risk HJ, say if you have a flag for your state, shire, region, district, municipality or whatever they call it you can use them both like what I did on my userpage. Then you don't have to worry about it... much.  Fridae'§Doom &#124;  Spare your time?  00:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I quite like just the England flag. Besides there isn't an English county I really identify with, except Nottinghamshire perhaps. I like your new sig, btw! :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You could add Nottinghamshire's flag maybe. Thanks, I do too my old one wasn't that good.  Fridae'§Doom &#124;  Spare your time?  00:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome & question re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Coon
Hi HJ, I've left you a reply message on my talk page Cprofenno (talk) 17:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

re McKerras et al
03:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi HJ, you were off-line when this post for you started a right gab-fest, so maybe TalkBacks are needed sometimes. 'My'/our allegedly dead celeb. didn't make the 'news'! , apparently 'Whisky drinker' was stalking me!. UzT for me, so see ya in a few hours! -- 220.101 (talk) \Contribs 20:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Ping! (talk) \Contribs220.101.28.25 (talk) 02:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I should pay more attention to my watchlist. I've been busy elsewhere! I wasn't stalking you. At least not on that occasion! ;) I was using a script- Igloo- that just flashes diff after diff after diff across my screen and if I tell it to revert it, it does so and bloody quickly, then automagically warns the vandal without me having ever visited either the article or their talk page. Impressive really. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sniff. Okay! Are you UTC or +1? Having trouble working out relative times now our summer is (well and truly) way over! (UzT soon for you!) BTW comment re archiving page on my Talk too.  --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 02:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am indeed UTC+1, which makes it nearly 4am. I've been waiting for someone to write something on the golf so I could stick it on ITN- if I'd just left it, it still wouldn't have been on there when I got back! Now I'm going to bed, at least, once I've replied over on your talk page! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi HJ how's things? How was the movie? Are you aware of the kerfuffle at ace.Wiki- as discussed here? Advice, never mess with a person with 3 gonads!, but how did a username like ever pass? -- 220.101 (talk) \Contribs03:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just saying hi! and as above ↑ . -- 220.101 (talk) \Contribs, 03:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC) 02:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC) d/t fix 220.101.28.25
 * UzT HJ! -- 220.101 (talk) 03:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Christian Dating
I think you deleted the Christian Dating article based on unacceptable previous versions of the article, as opposed to the revised versions. Please take a look. e.g. in my revised versions I realized that citing websites to state the fact that Christians still date online outside a marriage context, was mistaken for trying to advertise those websites. So I quickly removed the actual links. The admins seemed to approve because they left me alone and started helping me improve the article.

That was before discovering today that you made the delete.

Please take another look and can you get back to me? Note. I am changing my username from Doubledaredating to Cujo411 because I am not trying to advertise any dating companies and I don't want anyone to think I am trying to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doubledaredating (talk • contribs) 15:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please provide a link to the article you're talking about. I've deleted hundreds, probably thousands, of articles and I don't know this one specifically. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've found it. If you want to improve the article, I can restore it to a subpage of your userpage (userfying) where you can work on it with less risk of deletion and then move it back to article space when it's ready. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Can't move pages
Hi!!!! When I accept pages on Wikipedia AFC I can't move them! Why is this? Thanks :) walderslade watercircus presents.... dum dum dummm THE AMAZING fisheyyyy MAN!! ba baaaaa bannnn booom bom bom!! we hope you have a great time!! BOOOOOOM!!!!!! xx (talk) 19:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoa, weird signature! You aren't autoconfirmed yet. See WP:MOVE. dffgd   talk · edits  20:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * FYI "Whoa, weird signature!" editor above aka has been indeffed as a sock of  --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 20:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Now why doesn't that surprise me? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:54, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * After not even a year here, one becomes sensitive to the whiff of 'socks'! Add 'odd' signatures and ones 'spidey senses' start tingling, don't they! --220.101 (talk) \Contribs00:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well this guy has set my sock detector off again because I'm sure I saw an equally fishy signature a while ago. Must find that. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Happy HJ Mitchell's Day!
Today, July 27 2010, a date that will live in history, has been Declared "HJ Mitchell Day". Yay!--220.101 (talk) \Contribs 02:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I also wanted to congratulate you on your day, but I couldn't edit your regular talk page. 67.136.117.132 (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thanks guys! Sorry about the can't-edit-ness. Blame the vandals! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Columbus Page
Greetings Mitchell, sorry about all the trouble on the C.C. page. Some time ago I did a brief write-up about the types of ships used in Columbus' day. For an illustration I uploaded the engraved image of the Columbus fleet, very fine engraved historical depictions on US postage stamps, and then being new to the ropes of editing and such, wrongly applied the 'PD-USGov' tag to the upload summary, unaware of post 1978 Fair-Use requirements at that time. My apologies for this oversight. I have since replaced the 1992 issues with those of 1893 (identical except for date) and whch are in the public domain. I am hoping my edits are welcomed. Regards, GWillHickers (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Let me know if I can be of assistance in future. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)