User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 10

Re: Yet another ban proposal
That was not the most drama-reducing proposal, and probably didn't help a whole lot...

I'm not quite at the "that's troutable" level on this, but it would help if admins didn't do things that increase drama.

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Alas, you're probably right. Not that I have anything at al against those three editors but I'm just so sick of seeing them carry on such pathetic arguments in any forum they can find! Ah well, I probably just need sleep! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Ever reviewed a GA?
(pretend it's an ad) Well now you can by reviewing the article Ersatz Monarch class battleship! Just follow the Good Article Criteria and tell me of any issues! But wait there's more, act now and you'll get a free.....well I've got nothing just please review this thing for me. I need this for the WikiCup as Casliber is catching up to me and this article has been awaiting a GA review since mid May.-- White Shadows stood on the edge 16:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Can you please delete the redirected page German Type IXA submarine so I can move my sandbox article User:White Shadows/German Type IXB submarine to that page? Thanks.-- White Shadows stood on the edge 16:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll have a look later on (and yes, about 50 in response to the title!) ;). You sure you've got the right link there, that's not a redirect... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you meant IXB, so that's where I've stuck it (I didn't leave redirect behind, but I figured you'd only have me delete it under U1 later). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks I did mean IXB :) As for the review, go for it!-- White Shadows stood on the edge 17:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
I appreciate that. Dare I reveal my ignorance by asking what happens next? Obviously, I have a slight agenda here, in that I'm really asking "will the userfication happen", rather than "talk me through the nitty-gritty of processes that I should already know about"...!

Cheers, TFOWRidle vapourings 18:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've no issue with userfication as long as the creator is aware that WP isn't a web host and it may be MfD'd if it just sits there indefinitely. As for the nitty-gritty, if the article hadn't been deleted, I'd just move it to an appropriate place, unticking the "leave a redirect behind" box that admins get. Since it's been deleted, I'll restore it first, then do exactly the same. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I can move to their userspace if you let me know when I can. If I'd been on the ball I'd have done that prior to posting at ANI... Regardless, I'll let them know about what's required. Ta! 19:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * But you can't move without a redirect (yet!) so you would have had to have tagged the redirect for speedy, meanwhile the AfD says it was deleted but it's a bluelink. Basically, it's esier if you're an admin! I've stuck it at User:Rohedin/Newgrounds Linux. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've volunteered myself for any further questions. I'm a Linux person, so I see the motivation, but I'm not convinced it's a Linux distribution that meets WP:N yet. TFOWRidle vapourings 19:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Nadal Australian Open 2009 2.jpg
Hello! Please note that when cropping an image for the main page, it should be uploaded under a different filename (with "cropped" appended) to preserve the original file's appearance within articles. (Instead of the c-uploaded tag, the m-cropped template is used). Thank you! —David Levy 20:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I forgot when I was cropping that file- I was in a hurry! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 22:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

To present/onward
I finally got around to starting a discussion about the date range issue, and I'm curious as to what the responses will be. If you're interested in chiming in or simply following along, the discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies 23:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm equally curious, but I don;t have much to add, so I'm just watching. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Friendly heads up.
So I guess 4chan is mad at you or something. Heads up, you'll probably be getting a lot of spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.210.154 (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Re:In case you're not watching it
— MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  00:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

— MC10 ( T • C • GB •L)  00:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Robots.txt
re: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ARobots.txt&action=historysubmit&diff=365898941&oldid=353973694

You need to close the source tag, too; the /pre is still at the bottom ;) Jack Merridew 03:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry- you know I'm useless with markup! ;) Is that better? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Ya. Tags should be balanced. The same rule applies to some templates, too; see here (scroll to the end of the diff past a lot of miscellaneous nits). This pair of templates should travel as a pair. The core issue with all the stuff re markup and colors is that most users have no clue about markup. But some are just full of opinion, anyway. They need to see Equus. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's the same with being an admin- plenty of armchair generals with no appreciation for the difficulties of the job! That's Wikipedia (and life in general) for you. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Harassment again at my page
Hello Mitch, as you told me before and I understand that you could help to semi-protect my talk page (could use the indef-SPP right now, thanks!), but what about this harassment? Looks awfully like JA or his clone operating under an ANON IP, which is their usual MO. Anyway, I'm kind of indifferent to their nonsensical behaviour these days, meaning that I'm mildly irritated but I'm not angry at a mentally disturbed soul. Regards. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 09:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've semi'd your talk page for another 6 months. I wouldn't worry too much- they seem to have new-found fascination with me after I used RevDel on the edit summaries from the latest round of Grawp page moves. Just ignore them and they'll get bored. Eventually. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for the little help. Going through the records, I must say that I've noticed about the current trend of disturbances (leading to the various RevDels all over WP) that has been going on for the last 2 weeks, their particular interest seems to be focused on the several Admins and editors who had crossed their path, you being one of them. But like you've mentioned, they will get bored by it, eventually. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 13:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

HighKing
Perhaps you could also delete all his unfounded accusations. By the way, I posted NO personal information about him; I made a point of not doing so by leaving out vital elements. I tried to keep the whole issue confidential but he ws having none of it. Mister Flash (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In the interests of fairness, and because HK obviously feels strongly about it, I should point out that you've only done half a job - two revisions of minor edits remain, therefore keeping the whole text. However, please pay attention to the background here, and also note that I HAVE NOT OUTED HIM, NOR DID I INTEND TO. I have not divulged ANY information that could lead anyone to his identity. He insisted on noting the fact that I'd sent him an email which he descibed as threatening. Not to put too finer point on it, he was asking for it to some extent. Maybe you could remove a whole string of related revisions, then we might get back on the stright and narrow. Mister Flash (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Those two revisions shouldn't contain the information because the first had been deleted, but I've deleted them just in case. You posted an IP address and a location- regardless of your intent, that kind of information, unless specifically given by the subject, is private and has no place being posted on one of the most visible noticeboards on the wiki. As for the rest, I've no interest in what's going on between you and HK and that belongs on ANI, not here. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of German Ministers-Presidents by longevity
I found your closure of this AfD as keep, without any explanation of your rationale, surprising. Purely numerically there were three editors for delete and three for keep, but two of the keep rationales were based simply on WP:WAX so should carry little weight. Whilst it's a judgment call, I certainly don't see a "keep" result there; I appreciate that you did, but its not so obvious it needed no explanation. The AfD also cited Articles_for_deletion/List_of_German_Federal_Ministers_by_longevity which itself cites two other AfDs - all of which are near-identical and resulted in delete and again, your reasoning for coming to a different conclusion would have been appreciated. I42 (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Frankly all the arguments made in that AfD were pretty weak. Personally, if I'd opined, I would have gone woith a delete !vote, but analysing the discussion as it is, nobody had commented in over a week so, after the nom, we have, in order:


 * WP:OTHERCRAP
 * "Jut not encyclopaedic"
 * The only !voter to actually provide a rationale for their opinion
 * "Just not encyclopaedic"
 * and finally, another othercrap argument
 * Given that the only strong, or even valid, argument besides the nomination was a keep !vote, I closed it as keep, but you may consider this leave to re-nominate in a few weeks when hopefully the discussion will attract more participation. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I think that ignores the primary rationale that the two categorisations are unrelated, ie fails WP:NOTDIR #6 (Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations). I think the article can be made encyclopedic (List of German Chancellors by longevity, for example, includes non-indiscriminate information such as age at inauguration in addition to age at death) so I will see if it can be developed before renominating for deletion. I42 (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Qassim Afzal
I have serious concerns about your AfD close. In particular: In the light of above (and of your "reluctance" mentioned in the close statement), can I hope in a reconsideration of the close? Thanks! -- Cycl o pia talk  20:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This site (which had most sources, but not all) doesn't look like a "local newspaper". Neither this, for example.
 * Even if they were, I have never heard consensus that local news are not considered RS.
 * The fact that other sources don't verify "basic biographic information" seems irrelevant in face of WP:GNG and similar guidelines -we can simply avoid to give such information and stick to what is effectively in sources (if I am wrong, please link the appropriate guideline).
 * Well, if you genuinely have "serious concerns", then I suggest you raise them at WP:DRV, but if you're just expressing a strongly held opinion, I'll take it as that. As I recall, neither of the sources above were in the article (but I'll check the deleted content in a minute). Local news sources can be RS, but they don't do a lot for establishing notability- for example, coverage in the Lincolnshire Echo would do less for notability than coverage in, say, The Guardian (just example). My reluctance in closing it that way was that I felt it could have gone the other way if a few more people had made strong keep arguments and actually improved the article and its sourcing. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about DRV from the start, in fact. :) About "improving the article", well, it's not the status of the article that counts, but the subject itself (WP:ATD). In fact, there is the opposite problem: people (including myself) are often wary of touching AfD'ed articles because they feel their work would be wasted if it closes as delete anyway. So, better to bring the arguments and sources before and then waiting a decision. -- Cycl o pia talk  23:15, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I have to say that, in borderline cases, a few edits to improve the sourcing can make all the difference. If you'd like, I can userfy it for you to work on and you can move it back into the mainspace after it's been sourced and there's been a reasonable "grace period" since the AfD... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea, please do! How much time would you advice to wait (in any case it won't be less than a month due to real life stuff)? -- Cycl o pia talk  14:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * A month seems reasonable. I'll sort that out for you now. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's now at User:Cyclopia/Qassim Afzal. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

click year ahead
You are obviously a few 'click years' ahead of me in wikipedia. You make an edit, at... 13:22 	(Deletion log)‎... I cannot fathom its effect but hope you can answer for the simple reason that I am somehow linked to that edit and I try to understand what happens in wikipedia now and then. Thanks! Politis (talk) 14:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a diff or a page name so I know which action you're referring to? I had a look through my deletion log and couldn't find anything in my last 200 deletions with that timestamp, but if it was in the deletion log it was either a revision deletion (which removes an edit or an edit summary from the page history) or a page deletion (what it says- first it's there, then it's not). hope that helps. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

In case you are at the receiving end of lots of daft questions, thanks! This is what appeared on my watchlist and I had never seen it before: 14:07 (Deletion log)‎. . [Future Perfect at Sunrise‎; HJ Mitchell‎ (2×)]. Politis (talk) 15:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that means something was deleted, but without a diff or a title, I couldn't tell you what or why. Most of my deletions are spam or expired proposed deletions, though close the odd AfD and zap a few attack pages and copyright violations. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Datastat
He created a similar article on the Visa policy of Ukraine. I nominated for a speedy on the grounds of no content, but then had second thoughts. Can you take a look? Thanks. ScottyBerg (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't qualify for speedy, but I'd suggest an AfD might be in order. I mass-deleted a number of his contributions due to copyright problems a few weeks ago. At least this one isn't a coyvio, so it might be worth just leaving it for a while and seeing what happens- it's not harming anyone. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's sort of informative. I think I'll just leave it be. ScottyBerg (talk) 16:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

History merge needed
I would like 2010 Pennsylvania 500 and 2010 Sunoco Red Cross Pennsylvania 500 histmerged. I created the latter a few minutes ago when I realized the former existed. The latter has the correct title and is more up-to-date. Thanks. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ • ✐) 15:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅, you can just use in future and leave a note explaining whats up on the talk page. -- Taelus  ( Talk ) 15:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Taelus :). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Reid Stowe Biography
Hello HJ Mitchell. I've suggested you extend the protection of this article indefinitely as the edit wars are likely to reopen as soon as protection is dropped, and that the article will suffer from even more imbalance once those wars escalate and the article is relocked. I believe that the article should continue to be managed through consensus. Thanks. Regatta dog (talk) 15:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't protect the article and my only involvement was to answer an editprotected request while patrolling CAT:PER. You might like to contact  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Regatta dog (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

AfDs
Isn't it about time that there was a rule in place saying that editors who nominate an article for deletion should present their case in the nomination and the leave the AfD alone for the closing admin to decide after weighing up all the arguments presented in favour of deletion and in favour of retention? This being instead of keep chipping away at every editor who does not share the nominator's POV (I'll give you one guess as to which AfD discussion and which editor I mean). Mjroots (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, as someone who closes the odd AfD, I prefer it if the nominator makes their case and just shuts up, but I don't have a problem with them replying civilly to one or two of the keep !voters (I'm guilty of it myself occasionally). Badgering gets on my nerves, but I tend to ignore bickering when I close unless someone actually has a valid point. I suppose my thoughts on running up and down a thread bombarding those who disagree with you is documented in the AN thread I started. I've seen much worse AfDs, though. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I tried to resist the urge, honestly! Mjroots (talk) 17:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not worth it. You could get more arguing than an FAC in, but almost none of it will affect the close. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (best Andy Pipkin voice) Yeah, I know! Best way to counter an AfD like this is to keep improving the article. Mjroots (talk) 18:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol! That's a good approach- all too often, people !vote keep in AfD citing "lots of sources" but don't even edit the article, then they're surprised when the AfD is closed as delete! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne: The final push
Hi HJ, I don't mean to be insistent, but I had completed your GA suggestions two nights ago. I'd love to just get this thing a final push and have it done after all these months. If you still think there are issues, don't hesitate to let me know (or fail the damn thing lol). Thanks! –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies 18:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be on it later this evening. I need to eat! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate it, see you then! :D –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies 19:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Text
Is this the text that needed to be removed? I can't see where it was re-added. Dreadstar ☥  20:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That was indeed the text intended to be removed- I thought I'd deleted that... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It certainly looks like you deleted it, but for some reason...it's still there. Maybe somebody copied it or changed it when they did a later edit...but I couldn't find where that might have happened.  Dreadstar  ☥  20:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I made another redaction and it's not appearing in the current version. Hopefully that's it sorted. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Take 2 successfully removed the visibility fo the text from my edit, but it's still in the history before I removed it. Very strange, must be some glitch with that particular function. The content doesn't appear on before the first redaction, then suddenly appears on the page the next edit after the redaction - but that edit didn't add it.  Maybe I'll email an oversight admin to take a look and see what happened..  Dreadstar  ☥  21:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea. They're more knowledgeable with RevDel than we humble admins. At least it's out of the current version and not easily accessible, though. Weird. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Apparently they are...
. Whoops. You should ahve seen the page BEFORE I tried to fix it, though! Courcelles (talk) 22:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I know. It popped up on my watchlist. It's really not that difficult! I've done it at least twice and "un-transcluded" a fair few SNOW closes and my markup skills are appalling. How can you be an admin if you can't copy and paste 2 lines of code? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I screwed it up because I was trying to fix everything in that RFA

Looking like

it

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a

row

of soldiers! That it was broken, though, is hard to understand. Further, not answering the questions first killed the chances that RFA had, IMO (So does letting an editor with under 300 edits nominate you...) Courcelles (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunate but true. I've bumped into the nominator and nominee a few times and both are good editors but a cack-handed transclusion of an incomplete RfA is unimpressive. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not trying to influence your opinion at all, but I personally think it is harsh to hold the nominators mistake against the nominee. But that said, I have not yet had time to analyse the candidate, so perhaps you know them already. Just felt I should comment though. :) -- Taelus  ( Talk ) 22:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If I was a 'crat, I'd remove the RFA, remove all the votes, and tell the candidate to re-transclude it when ready... but I'm not sure how that would go over at this point. Courcelles (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If I were feeling extremely bold, I'd delete the whole thing and tell him to try again when he's ready, but I've manged to go for a few days without being accused of admin abuse and I'm quite enjoying it! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for photo fix to Douglas Youvan
I learned how to do this from you by usinga diff. Many thanks. Funny photo, huh? Bridgettttttte (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :) Let me know if I can be of any more help. Whisky drinker  |  HJ's sock   00:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

AL good article
Whew!!!! Thank you so much HJ, and I really, really appreciate your thoroughness. I'll continue to work on the article as the fourth album release nears, and when I'm situated near a library someday, I will track down her biography(ies) and see what I can do about replacing The Mirror entirely, along with a few other references, most likely. That's all for the future though. I only picked up the slack at the end, I certainly can't lay claim to being the only major contributor. I hope those people know who they are :D –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies 02:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well you did a great job. There's a potential FA in there, but it'd take a lot more work. It was a pleasure working with you anyway- we only seem to bump into each other on Talk:Miley Cyrus but if I can be of assistance in future, do let me know :). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * "and subtle pestering on my talk page" lol!... You seriously surprised me with that barnstar, I really appreciated it. I agree about the FA, but I think I'm going to take a little break from Lavigne for a short while :D I won't be around the MC boards as much either, the article is in great hands with all the users over there. It was a great pleasure working with you, thanks for all your help and advice. –  Ker αun oςc op ia◁ galaxies 02:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if ever you need a GA reviewer, admin or just a friendly ear, you know where I am. ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

thank you
thank you for removing that bias piece on on this day much appreciated toda--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Kia Cee'd
The Kia cee'd page has been vandalised recently by Warty Dave. Sco1996 &#124;  I will respond.  10:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion please?
Could you take a quick look at User_talk:Taelus if you have spare time? I would like a third opinion on whether my full protection of the page, and handling of the content dispute, was justified. Contacting you since your in my timezone! Thanks in advance, -- Taelus  ( Talk ) 10:54, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input, and don't worry about delays! Very few things on Wikipedia are a rush. :) Happy editing, -- Taelus  ( Talk ) 19:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Any time. Always happy to help a friend :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
For the page protection on Watcher (angel). Ian.thomson (talk) 18:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Let me know if it keeps up after the protection expires. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Adminship
I would like to thank you for the barnstar and just wondered if you ever considered nominating me for adminship sometime.Gobbleswoggler (talk) 18:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I certainly will consider it in the future, but for now I think you're probably best off gaining a bit more experience. I think you're a great editor and I'm absolutely certain you'll be a great admin one day, but not right now- it's not an easy job and it can take considerable experience to decide on the best course of action (and even then, a lot of people won't be happy!). Admin coaching is unpopular at the minute, but I'd be happy to help you informally to gain the experience and knowledge you need. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your help in fighting vandalism on Phil Judd. Mark in wiki (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You;re welcome. There's absolutely no excuse for telling someone to "get fucked" in an edit summary. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
You have  new messages ( last change ).  — fetch ·  comms   22:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied there.  — fetch ·  comms   22:59, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Tao2911
HI HJ,

I've unblocked (per your note at the top of this page), for reasons explained at the ANI thread. Just a misunderstanding. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw on ANI, but thank you for the courtesy. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

FrescoBot
01:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Airplaneman  ✈  04:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Autoreviewer
G ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 08:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Custom welcome page spread by Diego Grez onto ~1000 user pages
Hi Mitchell,

RE:Diego Grez

I'm not sure that this custom welcome page spread by Diego Grez onto ~1000 user pages is such a good idea. It's really unorthodox. And it also spreads following images:
 * Potential privacy/privacy of a minor issues: Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Bullying_Irfe.jpg ~ 1000 pages
 * Likely without permission: Special:WhatLinksHere/File:My_Grandfather_Photo_from_January_17.JPG ~1000 pages

I've also seen IP users finding this welcome page downright offensive. Please consider replacing it with a regular welcome page.

--Dc987 (talk) 05:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm, dDiego hasn't edited a user talk page besides mine and his (and one to Xeno's) since early January... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Uh. Ok. Anyway, please double-check this link: Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Bullying_Irfe.jpg. This image has been spread onto ~1000 welcome pages and it features two kids. It might be privacy of a minor/CIPA violation. --Dc987 (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt it, and if there were, it would be a Commons problem, since that's where the image is. You can raise it on commons:commons:AN if you wish. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I think I did that for fun, in late November, as far as I remember, when I finally got a permanent and stable Internet connection :) File:Bullying Irfe.jpg is a picture, taken by me, in a public place, a school, and I don't think that needs permission. The other one clearly states it's my grandpa, and I think the fact that he's dead since October 2007 is also important here. And also, as HJ pointed out, I don't edit anything since January, so I can't think why it is a problem now, more than 7 months I stopped using that welcome message. --Diego Grez let's talk 01:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I checked this one out, and I agree with HJ and DG - I don't see any problems with those two images; the children are certainly not readily identifiable, and the picture of DG's grandpa is just a very nice picture - just because a pic by a Wikipedian is good quality is not a reason to assume it must be a copyright violation!  Chzz  ► 01:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input, Chzz. Diego, can you email me please. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. As to the question, why it came up more than 7 months after - pure accident. Some of the edits are in the time frame of the PAN 2010 LAB training corpus, so they are going through extra review. --Dc987 (talk) 08:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Rollback now?
Do I have enough vandalism revertation to reapply for rollback now, and if not, how much more do I need to do? (Contrib|Edit Count) requested 930913(Congratulate/Complaints) 07:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting in touch! :) I'm glad your still dedicated to ridding WP of vandalism- we need more people like that (or less vandals, but that's not going to happen any time soon)! Before I grant you rollback, though, I would like to see a few more warnings on the talk pages of vandals. I see you've been using Twinkle, which has a complete index of warnings so you only have to press a few buttons to warn them rather than memorise hundreds of templates (unfortunately, I use the old monobook skin, I've no idea where the button is in the horrible new vector skin). Once you've given them a final warning, you can report them to WP:AIV if the vandalise again (there's a button with Twinkle that does that, as well). If you were to do that and come back in a few days to a week, I'd be more than happy to give you rollback. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trying, but TW doesn't seem to be opening up their talk page automatically adding a few stages to warn and AIV, so I generally haven't; I'm seeking to get it fixed. In other news, what do you think about auto semi protection for all (high) schools? I've noticed that all IP edits to them are vandalism so far, which protection would stop. requested 930913(Congratulate/Complaints) 16:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. That might just be a bug, but I don't know- I don't revert with TW, I revert with rollback then warn with Twinkle- you could always just open up the page history and take an indirect route to their talk page to warn them. As for semi protecting high schools, frankly, I don't think people should be able to edit without logging in at all, but I'm in a minority. There are a few edit filters that detect certain types of vandalism to those articles, but they're not perfect. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sticking my nose in- Twinkle's auto-open feature won't work if your browser has any form of pop-up blocker activated. Courcelles (talk) 20:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was using Chrome, is it blocked by default? I've moved to FF since, but would like to migrate back. 930913(Congratulate/Complaints) 17:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How about now? requested 930913(Congratulate/Complaints) 17:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I use chrome and Twinkle works for me, though I gather it's not designed for Chrome, it just happens to work! But yes, you can has rollback ;). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated 930913(Congratulate/Complaints) 18:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Kappa Sigma
Could you take a look at the request at Talk:Kappa Sigma? Thanks &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, I'll get to it in a moment. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Alpha_Cookson_Electronics
Hi ho. My first CSD. Can you, (or a stalker) take a look at this and see If I am wrong? I have posted templates to the creator and to the article, and dropped a note to the Admin(?) JForget who closed the deletion discussion. Any other step I need to take? (maybe I can go beddy byes now? ) --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 18:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I re-redirected it and fully protected it to prevent a recurrence. Thanks for the note. You did the right thing, but you might have been better redirecting it yourself rather than CSD tagging it, since the empty deletion log is likely to confuse the admin! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Speedy Admin, Service with a Smile" MilesSmile.png My first CsD, and I haven't done a 'redirect' yet either! Hope I haven't made an enemy. Maybe my page talk/user will get vandalised?, seems all the 'best' editors cop it! Thanks! --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 18:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that is speedy deletion! ;) Maybe, but admins tend to be better targets for vandals than IPs (see the recent history of this page, though most of the revisions have been deleted). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

More vandalism from User:24.255.166.78
Dear HJ Mitchell, User:24.255.166.78 is making random edits to articles such as Up in the Air (film) and Yahoo! News much like this anonymous user did in May 2010. I noticed that you blocked this user in May due to his/her vandalism. You may wish to monitor this user and block as appropriate. Please provide a talk back in response. Thank you. Sincerely, --Dan Dassow (talk) 19:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've blocked them for 2 weeks. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear HJ Mitchell, thank you for your quick response. I really don't like to see a user blocked, except when all of their edits are vandalism as in the case of User:24.255.166.78. Whois seems to indicate that this is an individual on Cox Communications Inc. NETBLK-COX-ATLANTA-8 rather than a shared IP address. --Dan Dassow (talk) 20:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if they keep it up after the block expires, report them to WP:AIV and you might want to mention that in your report so they can have a nice long wikibreak! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Big Brother 2010 (UK)
I'm 99% sure you meant to semi-protect that article (see WP:RFPP), so I've downgraded it to semi-protection. Revert me if you really meant full protection. Courcelles (talk) 21:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's embarrassing! Yes, I meant semi, thanks for fixing it! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:11, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's twice in fifteen minutes I've reverted something it took a mop to do. I'm becoming rather rogue :D Courcelles (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Admin abuse! Admin abuse! I'm going to drag you to arbcom and get you desysopped! ;) In other news, my own act of rebellion was a success and we can now protect the TFA! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind...
But I fixed your closure of Immunize's RfA. Regards,  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 03:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I had intended to go back and make sure I hadn't screwed up but wanted to let Immunize know what I'd done first. It's a shame it ended like that, I see a potentially good admin in there, just not yet. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder- when you snowball an RFA, you need to document it. Courcelles (talk) 03:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, thanks for the pointer. I didn't realise I was supposed to do that. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I did it for you this time. ;) There's still lots of things left to learn- I deleted twelve pages with one mouse click today- and it wasn't using Twinkle.  Had no idea that could be done! Courcelles (talk) 03:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. I zapped 70 in one go yesterday (lots and lots of spam!) but that was with Twinkle. We can delete subpages along with the parent page can't we? just when you think you know at least most things, something else comes along that shows you how little you really know! :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I zapped twelve pages talking about the evils of zebras with Special:Nuke. Yes... zebras. Gulf oil spill, two major wars, global warming... and those pesky zebras.  Going to bury many head in the sand and ignore the looming zebra conquest now... Courcelles (talk) 04:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course, nuke! I forgot about that! I used it earlier to remove a load of nonsense pages someone had added. Zebras? Zebras? What have they ever done to incur someone's wrath? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   04:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello HJ. There seems to be a problem with the tally at his RFA (it is at 0/0/0). I'm not sure how to fix it. Airplaneman  ✈  13:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed there does, but I'm hoping someone else knows how to fix it! :S HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe fixed now? All looks good to me. Oh, and ta! TFOWRidle vapourings 13:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I went to have a look, but I'm not eligible to vote. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Risen (video_game)
Hello. The situation happens again, I think longer protection for IP would be good. Regards, Sir Lothar (talk) 05:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
On my RfA Immunize  (talk) 13:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Spare Socks? (cough)
Afternoon, Guvnor. Before you get too busy you might want to take a look at this 'new' editor, who might be blocked user. I have dropped a few notes to previously involved editors, but they seem to be off-line. If I should report it to wp:SPI first let me know, as it is only a 'sus' feeling. --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 13:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Scrub that SPI is already on the case! --220.101 (talk) \Contribs 13:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well there's an SPI open, so I'd leave it to those who know what they're doing. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Reactions to the Gaza flotilla raid
the page that you previously locked is continually hijacked by POV editors from israel who refuse to want to gain consensus before removing an image. I told them to gain consensus as the onus on the challenge of the WP:Bold lies with the one challenging it to get consensus, yet a whole host of editors seem to rally a "tag-team" to revert and remove an image they decree as "anti-semitic and offensive" which is no ground for a wikipedia removal as per the image at Virgin killer. I was wondering if youc an offer some advice? Clearly the lockdown of the main article didn't work.Lihaas (talk) 00:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me look into it, just for reference, though- I can get there quicker if you link it in the header ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've fully protected it for 24 hours. Hopefully that will encourage people to discuss things on the talk page. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, just want to say though im not edit warring or getting into conflict over the fact that it must stay. All i'm saying to those editors is let the process of consensus be given a change before these POV edits. (there are countless edits where i've taken the "other side" if you must be to a neutral post.Lihaas (talk) 03:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm just hopeful that people will make use of the talk page while it's protected, but having got involved in an admin capacity at another Israel/Philistine article, I highly doubt it will make much difference. :( Such is life and such is Wikipedia. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Would be possible (or even better) if an admin gives them a warning to "cease and desist" from removal until consensus on talk. The talk debate is split between the tag-team and others.Lihaas (talk) 20:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've imposed a 1RR restriction. Hopefully that will at least facilitate more discussion. If anyone violates it, let me know or report them to WP:AE. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i was about to work on edit too. good thing i noticed.
 * just 1 more query rather a complaint, there was a talk page discussion a week ago about splitting the page. The choice would involve the picture in question so should i wait it out or split it now? (which would mean possibly delocking this and locking that to 1RR)Lihaas (talk) 21:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, while I'm all for being bold, you might want to get a consensus for that on the talk page. Personally, I don't think we need a third article on the same subject, but in my role as an uninvolved admin, I'll defer to consensus. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Already got agreement a week ago, (when the article hit 100k) havent acted on it so the bot moved the subejct to the archives.Lihaas (talk) 22:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well you could try it, but if you're reverted, it would be unwise to revert back. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Ping
--~TPW 14:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Userbox
Sorry for my error at Template talk:Userbox; I'd be grateful if you could fix it, please. Then I'll leave you in peace ;-) Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Better now? :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Much. Thanks again. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

POTY
I saw you're eligible to vote but haven't done so yet. Please support your favorite :) Hekerui (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Quick request
Regarding your recent protection of User:Mono/Sandbox/2, I had a quick question. Could you enable the "cascading" option for the page, so I could enable protection on my other sandboxes, similar to User:OverlordQ/Lockbox? Thanks,  m o n o   20:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Cascading doesn't work for semi, it only works for full protection, otherwise I'd be happy to oblige. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's kind of odd! Thanks anyway.   m o n o   20:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all odd, such a thing would make it possible for non-admins to keep such "Lockboxes". – xeno talk  20:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That could be disruptive, come to think of it.   m o n o   20:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite. – xeno talk  20:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Userspasce pages transcluded onto a cascade protected usersapce page wouldn't be an issue, but if people started transcluding images or templates, it could very quickly become problematic, which is why it was disabled as I understand it. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Even allowing non-admins to cascade their own userspages and the like would be problematic; they would be much more likely to violate the protection policy, such as preemptively protecting pages that have not been the subject of vandalism. – xeno talk  20:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well as long as all the pages affected were in the editor's own userspace, I can't (hypothetically) see a problem with it, but the difficulty is that it would be very easy to accidentally end up cascade protecting a template or an image, never mind the ease with which it could be abused. It's just a bad idea, really. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Checkuser
Will you please take a look at this and act on it too? I don't think Jehochman has logged on for a bit lol. Undead Warrior (talk) 22:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. I'm not a checkuser, just a humble admin, but there's enough to raise my suspicions that the IP is an established editor logged out. Whether it's votestacking, I'm not sure yet. You might like to file at WP:SPI to request a checkuser (if you think you know who the IP belongs to, they can check whether that person has logged in from that IP) but I'll certainly do some poking around. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I had a look around, but I'm pretty sure the IP is not the person you think they are, but they could be a logged out established editor. I'm afraid I've no idea who it might be, but I'll try to get in touch with someone who might. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Adi Da
Ok, we have three editors on board with proposed edit. Can you move on that? Thanks.Tao2911 (talk) 06:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Semi Protection
The semi protection on my talk page expires on the 28th of June. Could you change the expiry date the 28th August 2011. Sco1996 &#124;  I will respond.  12:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Stephens City, Virginia
As you are aware, User:Risker has blocked User:Xtzou as a sock of a blocked account. This is a problem for me as Xtzou was my GA Reviewer. I was wondering if you could re-review this GA review. I am asking as    since Xtzou was blocked as a sock, I want to have someone elses name attached to the GA review since I plan on taking this to FA in the very near future. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 23:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can have a look, but having spoken to Risker by email, I don't think there's any reason to doubt the validity of the review and from my experience of FAC, reviewers there will judge the article on its merits, not on the GA reviewer. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey HJ, I understand that but from my view, I just want to make sure that no one can call into question the GA. If your name or another valid (non-sock) user's is on it, there won't be that question.  I just want to make sure everything is done perfect when it gets to FA (eventually) so I don't have to go back and do something over. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • 20:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll take a look at it over the next few days. I don't think a whole new review would be necessary, but I'll go through the article and the review to make sure it's all in order so you can attach a more trustworthy name to it. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent! The review in question is here, so when you do review it, you can slap your name on there.  Thanks Dude, much appreciated. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • 21:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'll get onto it in a day or so. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:01, 11 June 2010 (UTC)