User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 2

BOAC Flight 712
Best to keep all comments on the talk page of the article rather than spreading them across several editors talk pages. Mjroots (talk) 06:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Re AIV
Two recreations by the same user doesn't really qualify for RPP, does it? I thought the normal standard was that the recreation become a multi-account/long-term problem. Ironholds (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
 SKATER  Speak. 22:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Fay Ripley FAC
Thanks for all your help with this (fruitless) FAC, HJ. I think I might just contact her agency directly and try for a photo since you've had no luck with Flickr. I'm sure they wouldn't mind releasing a headshot under a CC licence. Bradley0110 (talk) 21:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you ask very nicely, explain what you want to do with the image and tell them they can licence it to require attribution, you might get lucky. It's a shame the FAC wasn't successful, but if you manage to get an image, you should have a better chance next time around. Best, HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

There's this great thing called Spell Check.


Whack!

Category:Wikipedia fauna You should use it.

Bad, sarcastic, somewhat pointless joking aside, I fixed a typo in one of your ANI posts. Ham tech  person  00:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing the typo (vandalism/"vandaliam" was it?)! I shall try to be more careful, but it's getting on for 2am! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Meet the Parents GAN
Thank you for all your work on Meet the Parents GAN. It's much appreciated. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 12:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. As I said there, with a little more work to fix some of the technical issues, you should be able to take it to FAC. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Ben Affleck
Hi, Regarding the Ben Affleck article: The status quo as it existed until now listed Affleck's name as Benjamin Geza Affleck ... then yesterday someone came and changed it to Affleck-Boldt. So, the status quo is Affleck as last name, I Believe. I have several sources that put his full name at Benjamin Geza Affleck. He has never used Affleck-Boldt as his last name ... and the source in the article puts it at "AffleckBold".

See the following: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/baffleck3.html http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/affleck_doc.html

I think the burden of proof is on those who claim that ever in his life he has ever used this name legally or otherwise. We need a source. I am going to put the aforementioned refs in and change it to its original condition. Thanks!Hutch y2k (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to examine the history to determine the accuracy of your comments on the status quo. However, since I have your attention, I'd advise you not to continue edit warring over this and to take your sources to the talk page to seek broader input. It's also worth observing that, as an encyclopaedia, we should give the person's full name, regardless of whether or not they use it. Also, I would question the validity of those sources, though I'm afraid the relevant link to direct you to escapes me. I advise you to start a discussion on the talk page and await the outcome of that before reverting any more because constant reverts and re-reverts between editors disrupts the article itself. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I totally agree that we should use the person's full name, except Affleck's full name has always been benjamin geza affleck by all sources (yearbook, voting record, donations to democratic party).... on the other hand, no reliable source has ever referred to him as benjamin geza affleck-boldt, legally or casually. I think it is highly unencyclopedic to use a purported "full name" without a given documented source of its existence (same argument as the fact that we don't have Angelina Jolie Voight as AJ's lead name because that isn't her legal name; same goes for bill clinton, the name on his birth certificate is different from his full legal name... and that's an important distinction imo).  I am sort of surprised that I have to defend this.  I don't want an edit war, but I did revert it before seeing your post; if someone reverts it again, I'll go to discussion as you suggested.  Here's the NYTimes, you can see the name they use for him under "alt names":  http://movies.nytimes.com/person/426/Ben-Affleck/biography  Hutch y2k (talk) 23:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a much better source. The NYT is considered very reliable. Please don't revert again- take it to the talk page, make your case and get some more opinions. I believe you when you say you don't want an edit war but they're easy to stumble into and I'd hate to see you (or anyone else) accidentally stumble across the 3RR and get blocked for it. Citing the NYT, you should be able to make a pretty strong case on the talk page. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Diego Grez
Please do what you can to chase away the younger editors who seem to think they are going to "help" DG by making suggestions to him, or making requests on his behalf. I backed off slightly on my major misgivings because I was under the impression you were his mentor. If White Shadows and NerdyScience Guy Dude (oops, sorry) are going to help out, they are going to mess something up. If you want this to work, you need to be pretty resolute in not delegating responsibility to people who aren't ready for it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's NerdyScienceDude. If you're going to mention my name, could you please at least say it right? Anyway, I would like to help HJ when I can. I won't do anything regarding Diego without HJ's permission. ~ N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 13:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * With respect, NerdyScienceDude (and White Shadows) - I'd leave it to HJ. Having more than one contact for DG will be confusing for all concerned - and if you won't do anything regarding DG without HJ's permission, what's the point - let DG come straight to HJ, with no middle people. Just my 0.02 --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 14:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you to all for dropping by. I would like to reinforce Phantomsteve's comment. I really, really appreciate the efforts of everybody, including the two editors named above (whom I hold in high esteem) but anything done on behalf of Diego must be done by myself for this to work. However, please don't be put off- it's not a reflection on yourselves, it's just that the condition of his unblock was mentoring from me. I hope you'll both continue to make him feel welcome, though. Just leave any requests/statements/approval of edits to me. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My my, way to have a total lack of good faith Floquenbeam. I love how I (a "younger editor") am "going to mess something up". Really good wording on your part. If your going to bash on me, why not tell me directly? I'll back off but you need to realize that just becasue I'm 20 odd years younger than you does not mean that I (or anyone else my age) will "mess" anything up due to my age.-- White Shadows  you're breaking up 22:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I now realise that my comment may be taken the wrong way. I'm not really mad or trying to attack you at all, I just wish that you drop the ageism in an agrument like that. I understnad where you are comming from and I'll back off. Just remember that "kids" like me are the future of this place.-- White Shadows you're breaking up 22:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
~ N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 22:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

My note on Tone's talk page
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. Aregakn (talk) 12:16, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot friend! You helped me out!! :) {such a mess it is in the copyright issue} Aregakn (talk) 00:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship of User:MisterWiki
Please see. Thank you, – xeno talk  13:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to assist in his mentorship if you need anything.-- SKATER  Speak. 15:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Xeno for taking a chance and unblocking him and thank you Skater for the offer of help and for having faith in me. It could be useful to have a third opinion. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey. How will we organize relating to the mainspace edition? I have created some articles in this while, see my userpage.
 * Aside note: Please connect to IRC! We miss you @ #wikinews ;-) --Diego Grez let's talk 19:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll come into the WN channel in a minute (it's quieter than WP's). I think the best way of doing it is for you to ask here (would you mind watchlisting this page) so it's all transparent and everybody can see you;re sticking to your restrictions. I'm hoping a few other editors I trust will help out and be able to give you quick approval when I'm not around. I take it you understand your conditions- particularly that you can't edit any page apart form mine and your own userspace and talk page and Xeno's talk page unless you get approval from me (if I'm not here, then possibly from someone else I name, but it's too early for that yet). For articles like Pichilemu, as long as you're not doing anything controversial, it should be easy, but still ask. If you can work within the restrictions until the end of May, we might be able to look at relaxing them. I'm glad we got you unblocked, now we have to prove it was worth it! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh. Can I move the article drafts I did on my userspace to the mainspace.. or not yet? :-) (I still can't contain my happyness!) --Diego Grez let's talk 19:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you're happy- I am. Just remember how hard I had to fight even to get this much so keep yourself out of trouble! I think for a day or 2, it's best if you leave them where they are- I had a look and they look like good starts, but I think you're better off expanding them in userspace a little before moving them. I think we should leave it at least 24 hours before you start editing outside userspace anyway. Anyway, I'll come on to the WN IRC channel! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   20:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * HJ Mitchell, as you probably know there has been some very vocal disagreement at ANI over my conditional unblock of MW/DG. And it seems there has maybe been some confusion over the boundaries. The initial understanding was that he should not be editing outside his or your userspace until at least the end of May. Continue to develop the articles in userspace, work with him on reliable sourcing, copy editing, and the like. Please do not approve any edits outside of userspace for the time-being. If a well-sourced article is finalized in userspace, you should be the one to move it to mainspace at which point it will be hands off for MW/DG. If he would like to develop Pichilemu, he can do so in his userspace and I will history merge the changes into the mainspace article. Only after the encyclopedia has received noticeable benefit would we consider relaxing these restrictions. Please let me know if you require any clarification on this point. – xeno talk  13:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that Xeno. I'm aware of the the opposition, though I haven't made a comment because I have a feeling my further involvement in that thread would only serve to fan the flames. That's a very kind offer for a history merge- I understand they're not easy. Thanks for all your help on this, and for that clarification. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:41, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably a wise move. Just for the record, history merges really aren't that complicated =) – xeno talk  13:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well maybe you could show me if the community grants adminship one day... Thank you for everything you've done and are doing- it isn't going unappreciated.  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

question (moved from your userpage)
one of your templates say you use british english so does that mean you were born in a british country or do you just like to use british english over american english, if that's the case why do you? 168.99.144.58 (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm an Englishman. Does that answer your question? :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there not a user box for "I speak English English" :P 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 22:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Most of my userboxes were stolen from someone else at one point or another and I've not seen an "English English" one. If I had the time (and the technical ability!) I'd create one, but in the absence of either, I'll just have to make do with the "British English" box for now! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've created one! Although it says "English English", the category is still en-gb:  which gives:
 * Regards, --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 23:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I shall display that proudly on my userpage! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, I'm thievin' that userbox too, great idea. ~ mazca  talk 20:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to use it! The more the merrier! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 20:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to use it! The more the merrier! --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 20:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Lenny Hambro
Just back on Wiki after working out in the desert of California for a month... I see you failed the Lenny Hambro page because I wasn't quick enough (9 days) to correct the minor style edits you suggested. Wow! Remind me not to actually show up for my day job in the future. (Wiki really needs a more "active" method of communication vice the passive approach currently embraced.) I'll make the suggsted changes as I find the time (there's that full-time-job thing again) and resubmit. On a positive note, your edits were spot-on and I certainly appreciate your contributions to both my article and the greater wiki... CarlitosCorazon 13:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by CharleyHart (talk • contribs)
 * I'm sorry I failed it, but there was a huge backlog on the nominations page, so it wouldn't be fair to the other 400 articles to have left if for ages. However, feel free to correct the points at your leisure then renominate it when it's ready- it's not too far away so it shouldn't take too long. If you have a day to spare, you should be able to fix everything with a bit of solid work. Do drop me a line when you've renominated it- I'd be happy to review it again because I found it really interesting. I see you have email enabled, so I could email you when I've done the review if you like. Also, when you post on a talk page, could I possibly ask you to put new messages at the bottom and sign with ~ . Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

GANs
Hi. I've decided to join up to the GAN backlog elimination drive. I've just reviewed my first article, Another Day, and was wondering if you could double check the article and my review, to see if I've missed anything? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course. Give me 10 minutes to have a skim of the article and check the Is are dotted and the Ts crossed. Btw, I changed the title so the section link doesn't take me to Wizardman's thread above. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Sorry about the title, I didn't spot the other section. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries and no need to apologise- it happens all the time, especially when my talk page gets long. It's surprisingly bust at the minute and I archived it not long ago! There's nothing much to say about the review- you've touched on all the main issues. I've just spotted a few things, but I'm quite pedantic when it comes to copyediting and the MoS! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Crystal Clear x3 appears to have fixed all of your concerns, so I think I'm happy to pass the article. Thank you again for taking a look. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  18:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I'm happy. If you are, then pass it, list and log it at WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/April 2010. Best, HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:29, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, that was relatively painless. I might pick another article to review later. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  18:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Most will be, especially in the music section. I think I've got the two trickiest from that section on hold at the minute (I have a habit of picking the tricky ones). You could pick another 4 easy ones and get yourself a barnstar for your trouble. I haven't done many since the 1st when I kind of steamed through GAN and took the interesting and easy ones! I'm focusing quite a bit of attention on Avril Lavigne atm and I think BBC News might need a bit of a shove. Then of course I need to implement Blue's suggestions on Lindsay Lohan. Methinks I might end up on til 3am. Again! I was listing GAs last night from my alt that had been passed but not added to WP:GA. Let me know if you want me to have a look at any more reviews though. Always happy to help! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've found my next one, Pretty Baby...., which is an episode of EastEnders. I'll try and work towards getting five reviews done and get that Working Man's Barnstar. I still have Deacon to work on and I'm trying to improve Charlene Robinson. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  19:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Go for it. I can't bloody stand Eastenders (but then, I can't stand Neighbours either! I'm not a soap fan!). I've got my eye on "The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia". 40 will certainly be a challenge but I might be able to do it! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * How can you not like soaps?! lol. Since you're the 'MoS Man' would you cast your eye over the article at some point? Nothing major is jumping out at me, but I know you'll look a bit closer. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  20:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm hardly the MoS man- that would have to be User:Tony1- but I know it pretty well. When you get around the wiki as much as I do, you just pick it up as you go along. Today I've gone from maintenance at GA, to GAN, to help you, to AN to deal with unprotected images, to my role as ITN's resident postman, to Wikinews and various other places! Yeah,I get around! It's helpful not to have to keep checking the MoS when I'm doing a GA review though. I'll have a look at your article in a minute- I don't know why we have to differentiate between hyphens, minus signs, endashes and emdashes but apparently it matters! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think AnemoneProjectors has fixed everything I flagged up in Pretty Baby..... I had a quick look at MoS, but really I need to come back and read it properly. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * AnemoneProjectors is an admin so I think we're pretty safe though I'll have a look in a mo- I got distracted by something! As or the MoS, you'll never take it in in one go. The top page is big enough, but there are loads of subpages- I have a reasonable knowledge of it but I can't claim to know anything like all of it. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   23:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you get distracted by ITN, by any chance? I've just been over there too. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * HJ, thanks for scrubbing the graffiti from my talk page earlier today. June, the MoS is a behemoth, not easily understood.  Look at User:Giano/A fool's guide to writing a featured article, especially the section where that experienced FA writer tells you how to read the MoS. ;)  Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you HJ for the extra review on Pretty Baby... and thank you Brad for the link to that essay. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You're both more than welcome. Perhaps, Brad, your vandal will take note of my advice in the edit summary but somehow I doubt it. And June, you're welcome. If you keep picking the relatively easy ones, pretty soon you might be up to taking on something a little more complicated. I don't know how you're finding it but I find it quite a rewarding experience. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Evening, I wasn't sure whether to create a new section or continue here. I forgot to say the other day, but good work at AIV. The only time I went there, one of the bots was up and working again, so I missed you. I nominated List of accolades received by Inglourious Basterds for FLC today, I'm kinda scared to see what the comments are going to be. I hope they aren't too bad. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  22:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever floats your boat. This thread's not ridiculously long. Cheers, Brad and I were there pretty much constantly for about 36 hours. I learnt more about the workings of AIV in one (9 hour) "shift" on there than in my entire 13 months on here. I'm glad the bots are back up, though- flagging bad reports is easy (though people get touchy about non-admins flagging their reports) but removing the blocked vandals is tedious and I kept getting edit conflicts with more reports coming in! Yeah, glad to have the bots back! Don't worry about the FLC- if you get MoS/prose concerns, I can help you there at some point though I'm in no fit state to do anything major atm. Between fighting for MisterWiki on ANI (almost as masochistic as my last RfA) and fixing up Lindsay Lohan for GA, my time on-wiki is pretty well consumed not to mention real life :(! If it's criticised, you just have to take it and use to improve the article- that's the point of the process- and if you can't fix it all this time round, you'll have a better idea of what to expect next time. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   23:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, when/if you have a spare couple of minutes would you have a quick look at Giles Deacon for me? It needs a copy edit, but I'm not too sure what needs doing. I'm used to writing about fictional characters, not real people, lol. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for you help, I know how busy you are. :D I was just wondering do you think any of these would be beneficial to the article at all? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. My talk apge has doubled in length over a few days, and I've grown a collection of stalkers. I'm not sure if I should be flattered or alarmed by the latter. The strange thing is, of the 48, I only know (or strongly suspect) who 8 of them are... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * June, this might be a little my fault, for pointing out examples and not an exhaustive list of problems. The edits today have made the article much better, and I promise to get more thoughts on Deacon's GA1 page before I sleep tonight. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I just had a quick look at Lohan and saw the publisher for Rolling Stone is down as RealNetworks, but it's actually published by Jann Wenner. Also, since I'm not doing anything at the moment, would you like those archive URLs hidden? -  JuneGloom07    Talk?  20:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that's an owner/publisher thing- rather like Rupert Murdoch and The Times thought that's a poor example in that he is MD and chief exec of the company that owns the subsidiary that owns the publishing company that prints the newspaper, but it makes my point! Thanks for correcting the "missing Lohan" btw. You can if you want, though if you're that bored, you could help fix and fill out those references! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh no, that's your job to fix the references. ;) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  20:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh fun! I'm about half way through so far but I keep getting distracted by ITN, T:MP and WP:ERRORS flashing up on my watchlist! They're all infinitely more interesting than dealing with citation templates though! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Polargeo 2-- never saw the like
I agree with Atmoz version, but I've page protected the thing and asked for comment at WT:RFA Cheers, Dloh  cierekim  19:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion either way but if Atmoz wants to dispute the closure (or part of it), as I've just told him on his talk page, he should take it up with the 'crat who closed it or at WP:BN and shouldn't be modifying a closed discussion. At least you've protected it, though. Saves the whole thing from getting any dafter. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Never was an edit war on a closed RFA before. Crat  should not have moved a vote without checking. In fact, his edit summary talked about levity. I have restored the "correct" version and sent it to WT:RFA for a good threshing. Dloh  cierekim  19:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I've made my above point at WT:RFA but at least it won't be bugging me on my watchlist any more. The 'crat probably was wrong, but a talk page note or a BN thread wouldn't have hurted. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * FWIW, there was a talk page discussion at the 'crat's page, and they seemed to make a somewhat apologetic note to Atmoz, but apparently didn't see fit to correct the RFA. – xeno talk  19:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lady Gaga
Not sure what you meant to do with this edit, but you deleted quite a few recent threads on the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 21:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Not what I meant to do. From a glance at the history, I think I was trying to revert the most recent IP edit and the subsequent edit by Sinebot but it looks like I hit "restore this version" on the wrong target edit. My apologies and thank you for reverting me. If I ever do something that stupid again, please do roll it back! I'll be more careful to look at what I'm clicking! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I figured it was something like that. I've certainly had the occasional "oops, that wasn't the right button" moments myself. Most of the time, I'm lucky and catch it quickly—though it's always right after I hit the button instead of right before. Funny how that works. :) No worries. —C.Fred (talk) 01:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm still baffled as to how I managed it, but evidently I wasn't paying enough attention (I saw it at the same time as I saw some more egregious vandalism on Talk:Miley Cyrus)! Thanks for fixing my cock-up anyway. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Sir James Black.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Sir James Black.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted.  howcheng  {chat} 21:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Your use of rollback
Rollback should only be used to revert obvious vandalism. The edit you reverted here was certainly not vandalism and you used rollback to continue an edit war. Please be more careful in the future or you'll find yourself without the tool. Regards,  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 21:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen any of the preceding crap, I just saw somebody altering an RfA after it had been closed by a 'crat which at face value would appear to be vandalism though I concede that, in context, the edit didn't merit a rollback. As an aside, I'd appreciate an assumption of good faith in similar situations. Thank you for your time, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for noting that. It's not the end of the world, but something to take into account next time. Whilst I indeed should have assumed good faith more, perhaps you should have done that when reverting using rollback - use of rollback automatically suggests bad faith from the editor making the original edit.  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 21:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You are quite correct. WP:AGF is probably one of the most important yet most often violated policies on WP. I will certainly take greater care in future. Thanks again, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:03, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Kirsten Dunst
That source, "Deadline Hollywood", is not a reliable source. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  23:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, but there's no point edit warring over it. I've tidied it up and copyedited it and I think we should leave it at that for now. If we can't find a better source for it, then we can remove it in a few days but both you and the IP are on the verge of 3RR so this might just have to be a compromise for now. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Then, you can replace the source with this, as Empire is a reliable source. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  00:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oooh, well found. I must confess I hadn't got round to looking- too busy fixing the references on Lohan! Ugh. If I ever find out who put all the works in the publisher field, I'll give them the world's biggest trout! Lol! I'm roughly 1/3 through so hopefully it'll be ready for you to take another look in a day or 2 but it's bloody tedious! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Charlotte Church
Well there were two paragraphs that got knocked out by the IP and it's the second that's the reason I reverted. The one about Jonathan Shalit is pretty close to an attack statement and if you want to deep-six it I won't spend much time mourning it. But the second one, especially with the "being diplomatic was not in her nature" comment, I think is quite useful as it gives genuine insight into Charlotte's nature. Tabercil (talk) 00:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I agree on the former- it doesn't add a lot to the article though the latter does so I'll restore that. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Work faster dude.  Tabercil (talk) 00:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was trying! But alas, you beat me to it! I think it's neutral enough to leave for now. The whole thing needs a bit of a revamp and a facelift really. It can join my "articles to overhaul" list! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

A humble request for a copyedit on Joseph Grinnell
My peer reviewer suggested I come here, so here I am, hat in hand. :) The archived peer review is here. My in-house editor (read husband) is a journalist/newspaperman, so I hope any mistakes are minor ones in the article. He is always reminding me not to "back into" a sentence, which I continue to do, for some reason.

"Active voice!" is the command on the post-it note on my forehead. Ha! Please respond here on your talk page to keep content together. You can also e-mail me, if you wish. Cheers Marcia Wright (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Out of curiosity, here specifically or just to a copyeditor? I'll certainly be more than happy to take a look, but I'm unbelievably busy atm so I might not be able to make changes myself (though I'll find time to fix any of my pet hates!) but I promise to leave some useful MoS/prose-related feedback on the peer review if I don't have time to do it myself! Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The reviewer just mentioned the Wikipedia copyeditor area generally-I picked your name from the list. I would prefer to correct the mistakes myself, which should save you time. Is that okay? Just hand me a list (hopefully a short list) of things you see needing attention, and I will work on those corrections. I'm dreaming of a GA-class rating for this article during my lifetime. I'm basically the creator of the article, the first graph in lede was the existing stub before I expanded it during the last several months. Cheers Marcia Wright (talk) 00:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. That works for me. I should be able to get to it tomorrow. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

MrWashaboo
Hi! Thanks for the advice. I continued the discussion here at Bradjamesbrown talk. --TudorTulok (talk) 19:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Then fix the issue.
Thank you. --Christoph Balasse (talk) 01:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Archives
Hi there.. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, or if you are the right person but I have looked in several places and not been able to come up with the solution. Since you have an archive section on your talk page, I've decided to ask you. How do you set one up? If you have a quick look at my talk page, I have copied the code for the archive bot and setup the archive box (which should contain the links to each achive). But I just can't get it to work. Could you please help? I don't mind if you edit my talk page to fix any bad code. If you're not the person to ask, please point me in the right direction.

Oh, and another question, how do I nominate an article that I have recently updated so that it can be displayed in the wikinews section? Again, couldn't find any info on that. Thanks -- LogicDictates (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for dropping by. You can ask me all to WP-related questions you like. I might not be able to answer all of them, but I'll probably know someone who can! You're in luck with those 2 questions though, because I can answer them. The easiest way to archive your talk page is really easy (which explains how I managed!). Simply click "edit this page" at the very top, highlight all the text you want to archive and cut it (ctrl-x if you're using Windows) then go to User talk:LogicDictates/Archive 1 and paste the text (ctrl-v in Windows) into the edit box. You might want to use archive at the top or put archivetop at the top and archivebottom at the bottom to indicate that it's an archive. Once you've done that, you should have a nice shiny archive and a nice clean talk page. You can just link it from your talk page using if you want- I don't use a box, though I might have to next time I archive this page because I have quite a few archives!
 * Now, to your second question. If you mean the In the news section of the Main Page, the page you want is WP:ITN/C where you should create a new sub header under today's header containing a link to the updated article, briefly explain why you think the item is important enough to go up, provide a link to news webiste (like this: example then sign it. Bear in mind that a lot of nominations aren't successful, but don't be put off if it doesn't go up- you can comment on other nominations and keep making nominations of your own and help out by creating or updating articles for current events that have already been nominated. I hope that helps. Feel free to ask any other lingering questions! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply. I've half understood what to do about submitting a candidate for the ITN section. I'll try it out before getting back to you. Regarding the archives, I thought a bot would do it automatically which is why I thought that script existed? Do I have to do this manually everytime I want something moved to the archive? -- LogicDictates (talk) 09:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't have to, but unless your talk page gets very long very quickly, it's probably the easiest way. Let me know how you get on with ITN- I spend quite a bit of time there, so I'll be able to help you out if you get stuck. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
 SKATER  Speak. 14:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

ITN/C
MNind coming back to the April 2010 Kohat bombings section on ITN/C? You're the only logged-in user to be in opposition, and the article is now as complete as it's likely to be until daylight. Thanks. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't oppose the story, but there's still only ten lines of prose. I'll strike my oppose and replace it with a conditional support. It's 2am so I can't do much myself, but I'll have a look in the morning. As for the "logged-in" that IP is interesting. from the contributions, I think it's a registered editor logged out. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

ITN rollback...
Shimgray | talk | 15:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Quack...
Yeah, after a long and welcome absense, it looks as if some half-baked adolescent stumbled upon Encyclopedia Dramatica and decided he'd get his yuks over here. Most people who would be likely to do some Grawp garbage have pretty much done it, but I'm not surprised to see a straggler. Thanks for letting me know. Poor NawlinWiki has suffered more than any user at the hands of these bozos, yet he keeps on knocking them out as soon as they pop up. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

RfA question follow-up
Hello. Thank you for your question at my RfA. I have provided a response there. Cheers! —Eustress talk 22:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Inglorious admin areas
In a current RfA you mentioned a desire for the candidate to want to work in less glorious areas. What would you say the top five dust-collecting areas of admin activity are? A lot of people talk about how there's very little interest in these areas, but I never see anyone mention any particular neglected backlog by name, so I can't judge for myself whether they're uninteresting or not. . . --~TPW 12:02, 16 April 2010 (UTC) 010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't know about a "top 5" but I'll give you a few that I think are chronically understaffed. The reason for my comment (and it was a neutral- I wouldn't oppose an otherwise fine candidate over that) was that there seems to be a blinkered view amongst editors and admin candidates, especially (but not exclusively) those with relatively little experience either that if you can reel off a list of acronyms like "CSD, AfD, AIV" that it makes you a better candidate or that those are the only (or the "most important") admin areas. While those are very important areas, there are already a lot of admins working there- yes, they get backlogged, but they're monitored by enough people that someone will usually come along and clean them out before they get completely swamped. Other areas that I think are important, if tucked away are (just examples, not an exclusive list):


 * WP:RPP- getting better these days with the help of a few relatively new admins but it can grind to a halt sometimes, especially at certain times (recurring theme but that's to do with UTC v local time zones) and a large number of decisions, especially difficult ones all seem to be made by a small bunch of regulars
 * WP:ERRORS- Obviously the Main Page is fully protected, as are all the templates transcluded onto it but many people don't make the connection between full protection and the need for an admin to fix it. You'd be surprised how often some grammatical error or the odd typo creeps in on what's supposed to be our "welcome mat" that says "look at all the impressive articles we can write- whatever you read in the tabloids"
 * CAT:EP- popular opinion seems to think that using editprotected emits a sound that only admins can hear and causes them to swoop out of the sky. Alas not, it adds the talk page to this category
 * CAT:RFUB- unblock requests awaiting evaluation, sometimes easy (mistaken blocks/autoblocks or the "no chance!"s), some requiring quite a lot of evaluating
 * CAT:PROD- PRODded articles don't delete themselves after they expire and again might require considerable judgement and the recently PRODded are worth patrolling to make sure the concern is legit, some may be eligible for speedy, some should go to AfD
 * WP:UAA- to a lesser extent than the others, but it can clog up and it doesn't get the same attention that AIV does
 * That's 6 and there are certainly more (I could have cite WP:AE but that's a little controversial at the minute and probably not an area a new admin should wander into blindly- I'm very much a subscriber to the "no big deal" philosophy, but adminship is not just about a few "important" or "traditional" areas. Are you considering an RfA of your own?  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have been down that road before my name change. I wasn't at all sure what I would have wanted to do with the tools, other than some vague assertion of "backlogs."  If I ever repeat the process down the line I would hope to sound a wee bit more prepared for the essay section the second time around!  This list is just the sort of thing I was hoping for - thanks!--~TPW 03:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. I vaguely remember that so I went back to have a look and I see I was neutral #2. Why the name change, if you don't mind my asking? At a glance at the RfA, if you were to stand again in a few months, you might have a fair chance. Some of the answers are quite weak, but others are strong and well grounded in policy (hence neutral I suppose). If you were to run again, I'd suggest you spend a month or two loitering in admin-y areas, for example, the Main Page (I only use at as an example because I know the area well)- you could get involved at T:TDYK reviewing hooks and moving the queues up as far as possible before the pages are fully protected, weigh in or even nominate and update at WP:ITN/C, keep an eye on T:MP (though frankly I don't like it there- I honestly think the atmosphere at ANI is healthier than there) and WP:ERRORS where you can make useful suggestions for improvements which often means that things can be corrected quicker and before too long, you'll think "this would be a lot easier if I could edit the damn templates!". What many people don't seem to realise is that there is plenty of behind-the-scenes work that doesn't require administrator tools. You got a bit of opposition over your lack of recognised content- contrary to popular opinion, GA is easier said than done (I review them and I've got 4 of my own so I'd know) but by taking up reviewing at WP:GAN, you would have something to fend off the MMORPG-type opposes. I hope that helps if you ever consider sanding again (and I honestly think there;s no reason why you shouldn't). Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For truly inglorious admin areas, try CAT:NC and CAT:NCT. Shubinator (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they can join the list! I can't say I'm surprised they collect dust, though! Where did you come from anyway? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, I was spying on you with a telescope from Mars. Nah, I was flipping through some discussions to update myself on the goings-on of the wiki and saw this thread. Those cats used to be fine; now there's a bot that runs around tagging images now at commons (it uploads the pictures to Commons first I think) which is why those cats have exploded now. Shubinator (talk) 16:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it's always a pleasure to hear from you! You should go over and clean them up with your nice shiny mop! Hardly the most interesting area, though! We ought to make people upload all free images to commons and just leave us with the fair use ones locally (I think simplewiki do that) and then at least there wouldn't be new images to add to the cats every day! I used to think bots created more work than they saved (this being a good example). Then I clerked AIV for 2 days while the helperbots were down. Now I love bots! I haven't seen you dealing with comma complaints on WP:ERRORS lately. What are you doing with that mop of yours? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm being given more and more to do in RL, so I haven't been on much. I did duplicate my mop though, and the duplicate's doing well. I try to check in daily to make sure it hasn't deleted the Main Page. Shubinator (talk) 17:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Another in that vein: Category:File renaming. Shubinator (talk) 17:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh fun! More images, what better way for an admin to prove they're not after glory! Nice going on the bot- I've had a visit or 2 from it. Btw, if you have time (and technical knowledge far superior to my own ;)!) could you have a look a my archive configuration to see if I've done it right (I was hoping the bot would have archived it by now). Cheers, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The archive config looks correct. I have a hunch why it hasn't archived yet: this page is at 137K, and archiving it would take up a similar amount of space. But you've set the max archive size to 70K. So the bot does nothing. (A smart bot would be able to figure it out and create two archives; I don't know how smart MiszaBot is.) Shubinator (talk) 04:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

My goodness how a thread can expand if you stay away for a day or two! To answer the name question, my old name was the last vestige of an AOL screen name created from a typo, and I was curious about how the process worked, so once I found something I liked better and was available I jumped at it. From watch WP:CHU I think that bureaucrats win the tedious job competition, hands down. Thanks also for the evaluation; perhaps after the summer I'll take another look at where I'm at and see about another try.--~TPW 05:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Lohan
Gave it a check. --an odd name 19:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Pitt
I left my two cents, actually, not two cents but just my opinion on the matter. God, I wish people would discuss these types of changes in the talkpage, than just starting all this controversy and stuff. That's what I would do if I was new user. Another reason is because of the article being FA. Sorry for my words, I'm not feeling well I got sunburned, and that's what's "coming" from me. I'll check out the progress in Lohan's article in a bit. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  01:29, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sure, just doing my part. Yeah, nice working with ya again. :) Is it again? IDK, I lost track, I've been so busy with stuff. Glad to see that your hard work has paid off with Lohan. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  21:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, what do you think of this this image? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  22:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a good image, and it's recent, but they kind of look like they were in the middle of an argument when the photo was taken! Personally, I prefer the Cannes pic, but I actually think we could work another image of them as a couple in there. Do you want me to ask the author nicely to release it or have you got that? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I was just wondering if that would be a good image of the two. Should I bring it up at the talkpage? And no, I got it under control. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  15:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't hurt- lead by example and we'll see what everyone else thinks. Fair enough then, let me know how it goes. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Juan Antonio Samaranch

 * That was quick! Thanks! And I though I was the only one who ever delivered credits! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey!
Belated congratulations on your RfA, and well caught! Looks like you're already getting your nice shiny new mop dirty! ;) Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, always nice to smack a few vandals. No better equipment then a mop to do so i assure you! Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hi. I won't be editing much often because I'll be busy on school, until weekend. Could you perhaps ask Xeno to histmerge User:Diego Grez/Pichilemu?. I'm done at the moment, but I'll be editing it, as I said, on weekend. Cheers. --Diego Grez let's talk 22:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice to hear from you. I'll have a look at it and get a friend of mine to check the sources (my Spanish isn't very good : and if it's all OK I'll ask Xeno for you. Have fun at school and drop by any time you need anything (you can also email me if you want). Oh, and keep out of trouble! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit Backlog Elimination Drive
Hi, as a member of the Guild of Copy Editors you're hereby notified of and invited to participate in the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2010. Please help us eliminate the 8,000+ copyedit backlog! Participating editors will receive barnstars and other awards, according to their level of participation. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 00:18, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:Image question
- F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 05:32, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

re: copyedit request
Just stopping by to ask how is the sopyedit on Joseph Grinnell coming along? If you don't have the time, just say so. I can see you are real busy here. Cheers Marcia Wright (talk) 16:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm swamped at the minute, but hopefully I should be able to take a look over the next few days. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)