User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 29

Mass protections, wow.
Holy hell... 1000 protections in 10 minutes. We're all getting lots of things done this weekend aren't we? Like me making over 2000 edits yesterday...  The Thing //  Talk  //  Contribs  01:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 2000 edits in a day! Bloody hell! I only made four clicks to set Twinkle off doing that. It's easier than going through one by one and I'll just reduce to semi for any requests. Good job I pressed the right buttons or I could have deleted them all just as quickly! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, yeah, that would have been a big mess to clean up... but not as big as this blunder...  The Thing //  Talk  //  Contribs  01:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember that day of massive server lag. So that's what caused it! Worthy of a whale at the very least! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi HJ,

What is "batch protection"? I'm wondering if it's possible to protect what's in transclusions of a template (such as the IPA-fr you just protected) without protecting the entire article it's embedded in, or if it's possible to be notified if transclusions of a template have been modified; say, if someone changed the French pronunciation of an article in the IPA-fr template. I have over a thousand articles on my watch list because of IPA matters, where I care nothing about the article as a whole, and it would be nice to be notified specifically for modifications of IPA transclusions. — kwami (talk) 01:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Batch protection is a feature of Twinkle that lets one protect every page linked from the page you're on in just a few clicks rather than manually opening each page. All that's been protected is the templates themselves. It won;t affect any of the pages the template is used on. Does that answer your question? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, you must have a really, really fast connection :) Diego Grez (talk) 02:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. Is what you're saying that when you batch protect IPA-fr, all French IPA transclusions in all articles are protected from editing, but that the rest of the articles are not? That would be perfect, and should perhaps be done with IPA-en and pron-en. A lot of IPA transcriptions are messed up by anon IPs who don't know what they're doing (such as subbing the IPA with respellings, or Spanish with English); given the 11,000 just for English, that's a lot to keep track of. (Logged-in accounts aren't normally a problem, and the few problematic ones tend to become good IPA editors once they understand the system.)
 * Also, is it a one-time thing, or do subsequent transclusions inherit the protection?
 * Or did you just protect the code of the templates themselves, leaving any text embedded in transclusions of those templates free for editing? — kwami (talk) 02:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Only the code of the templates themselves would have been protected.  The Thing //  Talk  //  Contribs  02:13, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I did the last two pages of these. Nice teamwork- and nice way to make our admin logs an absolute mess. Courcelles 02:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Eek. Your protections are filling up Recent Changes. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 02:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not good. It'll be done in a minute, though. I'm on the last (or rather first) thousand and it's nearly done. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Heads up
Somebody is vandalizing pages (like this one in your name. Granted, the history page shows who the real vandal is, but at first glance--without looking at the history page--it appears that the vandal is you.  Take care, *Kat* (talk) 01:53, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I've seen it. My name is also in his block log! ;) I found it quite amusing really! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Nom'd it for RevDel at the RFO page. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 01:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know; it was pretty funny to read. Maybe we should keep it for humor value? :P  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 02:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If I was remotely offended (as opposed to highly amused) by it, I would have revdel'd it myself. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite amusing! Connormah (talk) 02:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think it is funny as hell, but my concern is that people might think (just by looking at the page and not the name) that it is HJ, hence why I let an admin decide on it. Thought my personal opinion it shouldn't be RevDel'd and should actually be linked somewhere. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 02:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, it has been revdeleted by Rlevse. ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  02:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well Rlevse has deleted it, but I might ask if I can have the edit summary back so I can frame it and put it on my userpage because that really tickled me! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The edit summary is still there. It says, (Yet another coup d'état where this time the noble HJ Mitchell is responsible.)--*Kat* (talk) 02:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears Rlevse revdeleted it again. ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  14:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Cambodia/to do & Template:WikiProject Cambodia
What exactly was the purpose of fully protecting the template? They've been around since 2007, where only the 'to do' template has been vandalized only once. By adding such a high-level protection, no one who participates in the Cambodian Wiki Project can actively contribute to the page. This further goes against the norms established over at Wikipedia:Protection policy and also goes against the first criteria mentioned over on Wikipedia:High-risk templates which you cited. "Page protection may be permanently applied to all templates and template redirects that have been identified by the community as being of high risk to Wikipedia". Please consider lowering if not removing the protection level. —  Io Katai ᵀᵃˡᵏ  03:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Unprotected the first, semi'd the second. If there are any more you need changing, just ask. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Tripping over each other.
Something's wrong with edit conflicts... I didn't mean to override your edits here. I think things are the same, so I won't risk more of a mess by fixing things, though. Courcelles 03:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template full protection
Hello, HJ. Is there a reason you full protected a slew of templates? There are a number of non-admins who work on those templates. Wouldn't semi be enough? Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 03:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I protected a load from the first two pages of a database report per a suggestion on RfPP. If anybody wants a specific page unprotected, all they need do is ask and I'll downgrade it or unprotect it. Likewise, if someone give me a linked list of pages that need downgrading/unprotecting, I'll copy it to a sandbox and gladly run a batch unprotection. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:26, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

There is a discussion at ANI, so I'll continue there. For the record, I applaud your concern for wikipedia's protection; I think this may have been overkill, though. Thanks. -- Avi (talk) 04:10, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFarix (talk • contribs)


 * Uh, you forgot the sig and HJ, no need for edit summaries like this. I too think that the move was not a really good idea but remember, it's only a website! Get some fresh air before commenting to guys who push your buttons :) All the best,-- White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 04:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd go ahead and reduce most (like the WP banners) to semi, if I were you. Echoing White Shadows, this is only a website. BTW, YGM. Best, Airplaneman   ✈  13:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Lock down on templates
Hello, I am the creator and a primary maintainer of about a dozen major templates you just locked to admin edit only. Since you made these changes, I cannot touch these templates without requesting permission from an admin, which is really inconvenient. Could you please change following templates permissions to semi-perm instead of full:


 * Template:WikiProject Food and drink
 * Template:WikiProject Wine
 * Template:WikiProject Wine/class
 * Template:WikiProject Food and drink/class
 * Template:Box-footer
 * Template:WikiCookie
 * Template:Random subpage
 * Template:WikiProject Beer/class
 * Template:Articles by Quality
 * Template:Articles by Importance

Thank you, --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 04:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is 6:39am where HJ is, so he is probably asleep. If this isn't something that needs to be done tonight, I recommend leaving it for when he wakes up in a couple hours.  If you do need to edit some of these templates, please ask an admin that is online at this presently online. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 05:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Hi Jeremy. Three of these were already set by HJ to semi, another had since be reduced to semi by another admin. I've changed the protection-level for the remainder to semi. Let me know if there are any I've missed. (HJ, the usual "I won't consider it wheel-warring if you..." disclaimer applies. I've not looked at vandalism levels etc here). TFOWR 10:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Location map templates
You've protected them (sysop only) and now I can't add interwikis since I'm not an administrator in enwiki. The trustfull members of the german map creating team now can't change the maps to better quality ones. I suggest to change the protection to autoconfirmed. Me and many of the mapmakers have the templates in our watchlists so that possible vandalism will be detected very fast. --Obersachse (talk) 07:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * PS. As far as I know, the location map templates were never vandalised yet.
 * There's one that I know of: . User:Obersachsebot then made two bad edits before I fixed up the template again. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure if this one actually falls under the current issue: HJ move protected it: it was already semi-protected. TFOWR 15:10, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Location map Czech Republic
Please add the relief map from the german Wikipedia. I can't do this trivial edit because you protected the template. --Obersachse (talk) 09:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Reduced to semi. <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 10:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox UK school
Hello, you've put protection on this template, but there are faults with it that are stopping logos from being show and numerous non-free logo images are being marked for deletion as orphaned. Crazy-dancing (talk) 10:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Crazy-dancing, I've reduced the protection level to semi. Are you able to fix the issue now? I can take a look if you're not, or (more likely) punt it to someone with a higher level of technical clue than me (that's basically everyone...) <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 10:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Location map Greece
Please add the relief map from the german Wikipedia. I can't do this trivial edit because you protected tis (never vandalised) template. --Obersachse (talk) 10:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Semi'd. <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 10:42, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Location map Azerbaijan
Please add the relief map from the german Wikipedia. I can't do this trivial edit because you protected the template. This protection is unneeded. Your thoughtless protection of templates, that were never vandalised is a big handicap in improving Wikipedia. --Obersachse (talk) 10:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Semi'd. <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 10:43, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:PROT
"Highly visible templates or templates in use on many pages are usually protected. Protection may be semi-protection or full protection, based on the degree of visibility, type of use, content, and other factors."

And, on a personal note, can we drop the bad faith assumption and the pointy new headings for each and every template HJ's protected? <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 10:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * And if you'd like to drop the bad attitude. I put my note on here, because when a persons actions causes inconvenience or in my case, prevents you making corrections to a template that is not working properly, it's a reasonable that you would turn to the person responsible. I think you are the person assuming bad faith here, so perhaps you should think twice before making your own pointy comments. Crazy-dancing (talk) 10:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Apologies for that, my comment was directed at the " Your thoughtless protection of templates"-type of comment, not yours. I'm working through these requests in order of good-faith-ness [sic], and have actioned your request already (above). <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 10:40, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation! Although can't actually work out why the template in question isn't working properly. Could you take a look? I reverted changes to how it was before images stopped showing, but it's still not working properly. Crazy-dancing (talk) 10:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it was thoughtless (not bad faith). Protections by bot, not proofing individual every template, do not look as if they were the result of profound reflections. Thanks to TFOWR for reprotecting. --Obersachse (talk) 11:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No worries, and apologies for the snarky comment. Let me know if there are other templates affected, and I'll drop the prot level to semi for you. <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 11:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm
I have an idea, we should start a trivia competition, Courcelles, Casliber and a lot of other users have a head full of trivia and it'd be a shame if we didn't learn more from them. What do you think HJ, I'll be going to sleep now... got to present an assignment tomorrow and I have band early in the morning (I hate 3rd year high school!) <font color="Red" face="Tahoma">Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  11:13, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Spanish name
Sup HJ,

You recently Super-Highly Protected this template. I assume due to server load per WP:HRT? Anyways, there is a current discussion going on the talk page for further improvements. So can I suggest you provide a little more explanation on why its being protected and how to continue to improve upon the template since protection is now in place, on the talk page? Gracias amigo. QuAz GaA  15:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Reduced to semi. My apologies for the inconvenience. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:34, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Pastor Terry Jones
I'm not sure if the same issues apply but I thought I'd bring this to your attention considering you protected Terry Jones (pastor) citing BLP and Coatrack issues. I've redirected it for now. -- &oelig; &trade; 19:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Guess what?
It's nothing important, I'm just being nosey. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:40, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ditto me. sonia ♫  23:42, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Antun Branko Šimić
It is him. I've filed dozens of SPI's and every single one was him. I requested a rangeblock but they said it would too many IP's would be affected and considered it too drastic of a measure. By the way this is the same matter, albeit different article, that got him blocked indefinitely in the first place. --<font face="xx-medium serif"> <font style="letter-spacing: 0.2cm;">◅PRODUCER   ( TALK ) 22:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people just don't give up, do they? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina article may be next. Just a heads up. --<font face="xx-medium serif"> <font style="letter-spacing: 0.2cm;">◅PRODUCER   ( TALK ) 22:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly honest, I'm not looking to get involved in this area. Much like climate change and Israel/Palestine, I tend to avoid it wherever possible, but I'll fulfil protection requests as and when they arise. If only people could just edit harmoniously! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Palenque Island Dispute
Dear HJ Mitchell, Sorry, I first posted this on the talk page for Palenque Island, but this looks like the more appropriate place to put it.

Thank you for freezing the page from additional changes. I welcome your advice on this matter, since I'm a bit of a novice on the wiki and don't know all the procedures. I did read that I needed to contact the user before pursuing any other action, so that's why I wrote on the talk page. I was about to submit a request for an admin to look into it when you protected the page. You can understand more about the what is happening by reading my message to Factox1983 on the page's talk section.

If you think it best, I would really appreciate it if you would undo the changes by FactorX1983 while you are looking into the dispute. A quick review of the his posts and ours will show reveal that we have participated in good faith, which for them this is an attempt to use this wiki for their personal grudge. This person has been harassing our employees and customers despite intervention from the courts and the police. They know we are vulnerable here and on WikiTravel, and are trying to scare away buyers of the homes we are building on the island by posting false information - and with the page frozen with their content on it, I worry that they will succeed.

We have tried to contribute to this page in a way that is informative and in keeping with the encyclopedic style, as you will see when you review it. The content they have entered this weekend is false and inappropriate, not in keeping with what we believe is the intent of the wiki. I have total trust in the democratic methods of the wiki, and I eagerly await the results of a review.

Sincerely, Flimoncelli (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I simply protected the page from further changes in the hope that all the people reverting it back and forth could discuss it on the article's talk page. Unfortunately, I cannot revert the page to a previous version because it's against policy and would be a misuse of my administrator access. I'm hopeful that you can reach a solution on the talk page and I can remove the protection early. While you're here, I would suggest you carefully review our conflict of interest guideline and consider being a little less "hands on" with articles on people and companies you're involved with. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:03, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for you reply, HJ. The trouble is, this person is a known to us and has the sole goal of defaming us. He will never come to a consensus. This is bad faith all the way. He is frustrated because his legal dispute was thrown out of court as frivolous so he is using this wiki to do us harm in the eyes of the public.

I have reviewed the conflict of interest page and I am sure that any neutral editor would agree that their edits are a clear conflict of interest and are not in the best interest of Wikipedia. They are posting false information to further a personal grudge and talk about their side of a legal dispute. All we have done is remove content that has this conflict of interest. We have made no attempt to tell our side of the legal story on the page.

Can you advise me on how to go about getting someone to review this? The longer his content is on the page the more damage it does to us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flimoncelli (talk • contribs) 00:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose the best place to go would be the incidents noticeboard, where other editors and administrators will provide input and, if it's deemed necessary, we can discuss reverting the page. Follow this link to start a new section there. Bear in mind that, if you have a potential COI (from your use of "we", I'm thinking you might), you'll need to say so and you'll have to inform the other editor that you're discussing him at the noticeboard. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm an uninvolved editor who just happens to have looked at this dispute out of curiosity. It's clear to me that Wikipedia's protection policy is trumped here by the fact that the current version contains potentially libelous statements without proper sources. BLP policy has to take precedence. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 01:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On further examination, it would seem you're right. I'm not sure about BLP but it's safe to say the edit was vandalism. I've also blocked the perpetrator since they've done nothing but disrupt that one article. Thanks for getting me to take another look. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you both so much for your help! I'm so grateful. I trusted the process and it really worked. If this person comes back with another user name, I'll come to you both for additional help. Thanks again. Flimoncelli (talk) 01:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do. He can be blocked immediately for block evasion and sock-puppetry if he does come back. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you so much for transferring my user rights and confirming this account. I really appreciate it. Forever Dusk (talk) 01:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Any time. Hopefully the transition will be seamless. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:30, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Mail
-- The  Utahraptor My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

EmausBot
My bot made large semi-automatical work on interwiki. You can see in its contribution, that there were ~200 edits of the same type (football seasons pages).

When I found mistakenly created pages, I added db-a1 since there is no more proper template for speedy deletion (in some other projects any page can be deleted if it have the only author and this author make the deletion request). I did it under bot's account when I think that any page can be deleted under it's only author request.

Anyway, all of edits (including mistaken ones) were supervised by operator and errors were quickly uncovered. I think that a situation when somebody makes an error and then repairs it is very usual.

Also, I added to my bot's script an existence checking function and it will not create the mistakenly pages anymore. --Emaus (talk) 03:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In the future, please make the edits from your non-bot account, and use an edit summary so we know what happened and why you are doing the action. <span style="border:2px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><font face="Papyrus"> ℳ ono feedback 04:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. --Emaus (talk) 04:26, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

So, HJ Mitchell, could you unblock my bot? --Emaus (talk) 23:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Emaus (talk) 23:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Templates
I have tried my best to defend you and get people to listen, but they are in mobrule at the moment and have the pitchforks clearly in hand....they ain't listening. Oddly, an anon is running the show. So I am going to give up talking on the threads. No use wasting my breath to people who aren't willing to listen. I think you did good and nothing should be reverting. I have said that a group of admins should go through to the ones fully-protected and check them for heavy vandalism. If it is present, leave fully-protected, if it isn't, switch to semi-protection. But no one responded to that idea. Oh well. Sorry, I couldn't do more. Take Care...<small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 10:31, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Meh, it's ANI. People need their fix of drama and they won't let silly people like you and me actually make sensible suggestions! Heaven forbid! ;) Let 'em have their dramfest. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:31, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, TFOWR is still trying to work toward a resolution. Got an email coming at ya as well in about 5 minutes (Facebook is lighting up this morning keeping me from typing) . - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 12:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Email is on its way. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 12:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I sympathise with - hell, I agree with - the concerns about the level of protection, but the angry mob/pitchfork stuff is pissing me off. HJ followed policy-as-written (and written since 2009), in response to a request at RFPP, and gets pilloried. I wanted to get that down as part of any resolution, and the previous attempts at resolution by 67 et al while well-intentioned didn't seem to be moving forward. In the time we've spent arguing the toss over HJ's rouge-ness we could have made a pretty good stab at restoring the previous levels of protection and even, gasp!, looked at which templates had been vandalised: we could have reached a point where everyone agreed that the project was better off now than it had been. Instead we're pissing about attacking HJ for following policy and actioning RFPP requests. Some days I just despair... <b style="color:#000">TFOW</b><b style="color:#F00">R</b> 12:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This surprises you? It's ANI! Apparently the place has been short of dram lately, so it's a good job some horrible abusive admin followed policy so they didn't have to go cold turkey! What makes me laugh is the number of RfPP requests I've actioned or the number of articles that could have been written or the amount of anything else productive that could have been done. ;) Anyway, I might have an idea on how to at least partially "fix" this, but I've got to run it past Franamax. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

City of Derry Airport
Hi, I welcome your protection to this article, however you've protected the edit that has altered it from the long standing consensus. The edits that are disputed are those by Factocop, a relatively new guise by all means, please could you revert his edits and reprotect the article. Cheers--NorthernCounties (talk) 17:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't, per the protection policy and the RfPP instructions: In the case of full protection due to edit warring, admins do not revert back to specific versions of the page, except to get rid of obvious vandalism. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, we'll just have to wait till Wednesday, Cheers--NorthernCounties (talk) 18:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox church
Hello! I wanted to ask... Why was Template:Infobox church been protected? I wasn't aware that it had been abused. I have made some contributions to the template, and can foresee that I would wish to make a few more, and this does introduce a limitation for me.

Thanks and best regards, - Alvincura (talk) 22:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Downgraded to semi. Courcelles 22:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Protection mess-up
Sorry about that. I failed to notice that you had already pc-protected September 11 attacks and I indef semi'd it. I was about to undo that when another user put a pp-semi tag on the page, and about that time I noticed three unconstructive anonymous edits had been reverted between your protection and mine. Still want to give pc-protection a couple of days? Let me know and I'll undo my mess. In general, though, I find that pc-protection on a politically controversial page just adds workload to the regular editors there; it seems to work better on quieter pages. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I think three hours was enough to see that unprotection isn't going to work well any time soon. It's almost amusing taht we had three different conspiracy theories in as many hours. Anyway, I'm fine with being semi'd. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Michael Phelps review
I haven't heard from you in awhile. Not trying to press you or anything, just curious.Philipmj24 (talk) 01:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my friend! I'll finish up at a more sociable hour (it's 0240 here or I'd do it now). It won't take long to wrap it up assuming there are no major issues. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

List of battleships of the Ottoman Empire
Hey can you please move my User:White Shadows/List of battleships of the Ottoman Empire to the page at the top of this thread? Thanks :)-- White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 02:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hold on, this isn't going to be a straight history merge as I thought, since your sandbox version has been there for months, and the mainsapce article has edits form that timeframe. Courcelles 02:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt that Takabeg would make a fuss. He cold always assist me in working with the new one :)-- White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 02:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK, done. I know which edits came from which version, so let me know if anyone raises a fuss, and I can easily break out the old history. Courcelles 02:32, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Hiya HJ
Hi HJ, would you mind deleting User talk:Fridae'sDoom/Archive since I moved those messages to Archive 1 and this page is no longer needed. Thanks HJ! <font color="Red" face="Tahoma">Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  08:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't sleep, so... zapped. Courcelles 08:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Courcelles :) <font color="Red" face="Tahoma">Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм &#124;  Champagne?  05:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Rangeblock please?
Would you mind placing a rangeblock on my school? I don't know if you're particularly good at calculating these but if you could help before tomorrow (14:00 UTC) that would be great. I don't know if they've vandalized yet but they are constantly talking about it and I think I've seen them at it. The school year has just started and the technology elective has to much free time.... I myself was editing a little so if at all possible make it so that I can still log in. The address of the school is "4525 Irvine Ave., North Hollywood, CA 91602, (818) 487-7600". I don't know if you needed that but it could help. Thanks,  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You'd have to find an admin who knows what they're doing. I have no idea about rangeblocks, so I'd probably end up blocking an entire country or something! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Who might you suggest? Just FYI I'm talking about up to possibly 800 computers.  Mr. R00t    Talk  00:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to make range blocks? Check the contribs of the admins there and see if any are active (check their logs as well). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that existed. Thanks for the help.  Mr. R00t    Talk  21:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

missed a step
thanks. Now you still need to put at the very bottom of Contact us or else they won't show up. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 06:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops! Looks like it's been done by another admin. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Clerk elections
Hi, this is just to inform you that elections for Clerkship at WP:UAA have started on the talk page. You have been sent this message because you were recently active in handling submissions or discussions. Discussion is ongoing and you are encouraged to voice your opinion on the candidates.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Fridae'sDoom (talk) at 06:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC).

Question on guideline essay
I was wondering how i could write or discuss the writing of a guideline essay for wikipedia? Somethign for reaction lists which always cause a tiff whenever they appear. What is the process for this?

Thanks.Lihaas (talk) 07:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if you have an essay you want to write, you can just write it. Depending on how controversial it is, you can write it either in the project space or in your userspace. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

"Please"
Hi again. When I looked at the RFA for Marcus Qwertyus, one of the things you mentioned in your oppose was the word "please". Qwertyus' second edit request didn't pass at first, because an admin expressed the concern that he had forgotten a few important words. However, Qwertyus added those words later, and then his request passed. Why is that word so relevant/important in requests? Also, FD wrote at my talk page during my block, basically advicing me also to write "please" or "could you" in my requests. / Hey Mid  (contributions) 13:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just good manners. Many people think it's rude not to say "please " and "thank you", especially if you want somebody to do something for you and even more on WP where we're all volunteers. I suppose it's only a word, but it's not much effort to type it out. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think some people just seem to forget that they're interacting with another human being on the other end. I can iamgine how easy it can be to be totally selfish and dissociate yourself when all you're doing is reading words on a screen. Teenagers (not all) often treat this as just another computer game, where they issue commands to the 'receiver' on the screen and start demanding things expecting an instant reply, because "hey! this service exists to accommodate ME!" and if there's no reply then "it must be broken!" Fortunately they grow out of it. ps. this is just a general observation and is in no way directed at you, Heymid. -- &oelig; &trade; 15:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

More Palenque Island Trouble
Hi, again. Sorry to bother you, but our vandal, Factorx1983, now is sockpuppeting as MRAgentOrange. That's not a problem here on English Wikipedia, because of your protection of our page, but he has posted all the same vandalism on the Spanish Wikipedia page here: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Palenque Do you know how I can get him blocked there? Do you have any admin powers on the Spanish site, or any advice for me? And we should be on the lookout for MRAgentOrange on this site as well. Should I post about him on the administrator's page? Thanks for any help you can give me, Flimoncelli (talk) 17:49, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there's nothing I can do. I can only deal with matters on the English Wikipedia, I've never edited the Spanish Wikipedia. If you speak Spanish (I don't) you can try es:Wikipedia:Vandalismo en curso. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:08, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that link. I made a poor attempt in Google translate-ese, and so far admins have been undoing his posts. Thank you, HJ! Flimoncelli (talk) 21:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for semi-protecting the Rosetta Stone article
Much appreciated. Captmondo (talk) 19:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I set the expiry to one hour after it leaves the Main Page, so hopefully there won;t be too much more trouble. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Perfect. I remember after getting my first FA article to the main page ages ago having to watch it like a hawk for all of that day. Nice to see that that is no longer as necessary. Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 19:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * HJ, I just want to inform you of [ this critical mistake] (you simply forgot a slash (/)), which messed up RFPP requests using TW. However, fortunately it was detected by Amalthea six days after that edit, and nearly a day after a report regarding this issue had been filed in at WT:TW. Thankfully, this is an encyclopedia, we make mistakes, and we will continue to make them. Fortunately, later or sooner, issues will (most of the times) be fixed. We're now thankfully able to make RFPP requests again using TW no problem. / Hey Mid  (contributions) 19:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops! All that for typo! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said, we're only people... / Hey Mid  (contributions) 19:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Glance Magazine
I'm sorry, but I do not know what "(decline PROD. Article of the same name and subject has previously been deleted via PROD)' means. Yours in puzzlement, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute; I figured it out. Somebody beat me to it. Duh! Yours in shame, GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * An article can only be proposed for deletion once. In this case, it was PRODded, deleted, re-created, then PRODded again. If you want it deleted you'll have to take it to AfD. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I never knew that. Huh, I guess stalking talk pages comes with benefits. ;) The   Utahraptor My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 21:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Protection
Could you also protect In the Dark (JoJo song) for the same reason you protected Can't Take That Away from Me? -- <font color="SteelBlue">Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  23:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you fix the double redirect first, then sure! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A Bot had already done it. =) -- <font color="SteelBlue">Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  00:04, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Protectifieded. Let me know when you want it unprotected and I'll be happy to oblige. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Following up regarding Rollback rights
→  In re: Rollback 

Hey, I am following up with you as you requested. Let me know where I need to improve, and also how can I find out how many reverts I have done? -- Wolfnix •  Talk  • 00:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC) <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

Wolfnix has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can Spread the "WikiLove" by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!


 * Wolfnix/Loki, I told you how to check how many reverts you have done on IRC. HJ, I think Loki is willing to help and would do well with rollback, if you could reconsider it in some more days? Also, why don't you come by IRC someday? Click here! ;) Diego Grez (talk) 00:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You told me how to find how autoedits Diego, that does not count manual undos, and things of that nature. Also, the posting on the RfP article was a few days ago, and I was told to ask in a few days, and that is what I am doing. Thanks for your help though :D -- Wolfnix •  Talk  • 00:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you can infer how many you've done... dividing by two the Twinkle ones considering you warn these users... To count them one by one would be a pain in the .... ^_^ Diego Grez (talk) 00:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec: damn you, Diego!) You'd have to count them manually. You can count the number of edits you've made with certain scripts, but I believe that's as close as you can get. As for rollback, be careful and I'm sure you'll do fine. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! And yes, damn Diego, the lil Stalker he is. I will be careful. If you have any concerns let me know! -- Wolfnix •  Talk  • 00:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

When can I go for another RfA
I don't mean to sound anxious to make another go at Requests for adminship, I just want an administrator's opinion on how much work I still have to do in order to become an administrator. So, how do you think I'm doing? Do I need to improve in any areas? Are there certain things that I should do before becoming an administrator? And when do you think I'd be ready for an RfA? Please don't say later this month, I've decided to wait until at least late October The   Utahraptor My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look for you at some point. The issue of the moment of course is content work (at least we've moved on from automated edits), so having a few GAs or something that you can point to is always good. The other thing I would say is that I think en.wiki admin has the potential to be one of the most stressful jobs on the planet and it's very, very rare that anybody says thank you, they'd rather drag you to ANI. I think that's part of why RfA is so tough. It has its good moments, though, blocking vandals is always satisfying and it's nice to be able to help people by doling out things like rollback. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't done much in the neighborhood of article creation, and in my last RfA they recommended I create a few more articles. So I could do that. Plus I could try to bring my best article (that is, the highest rated one), Silver Reef, Utah, to GA. It'd be difficult, but I could try. Maybe I'll have to wait longer than October, and that's OK. I'm in no rush to become an admin. After all, it's just a set of extra tools. Is there anything you'd recommend I read that talks about how to use the admin tools wisely? I'd like to get to know about the tools before (and if) I get them. The   Utahraptor My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * For the technical workings, that's mostly explained at WP:NAS. For everything else there's MasterCard you want WP:NOTNAS. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and, of course, WP:ADMIN and related pages are worth a read, as well as the policies, most of which you probably know already (BLOCK, PP, REVDEL, DEL etc). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha! Thanks for the links, and thanks for making me laugh. I needed that. In fact...

-- The  Utahraptor My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 01:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

A reliable source
I saw a YouTube video in which Miley Cyrus describes some songs from her EP. I am currently doing the EP and plan to use the information she discussed in the video in the article. The video was a form of reward for people who bought her concert tickets using an American Express card. Is it reliable? If so, how do I format it? -- ipodnano05  * leave@message 02:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's an "official" video and it was published on YouTube by AmEx or her record company, you might be all right, but you need to be careful. It could easily be a copyvio, which is why it's generally advised to avoid YouTube like the plague. If you're certain it's legit and you can't find it anywhere other than YouTube, then use cite web. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   11:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's legit and it's from YouTube but not from the American Express official YouTube, if they have one. Is there any other way to add it? Maybe cite video? -- ipodnano05  * leave@message 23:04, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Diego Grez
Hi again! Your mentorship banner at User talk:Diego Grez may need to be rewritten, as he is no longer under edit restrictions, but CheckUser restriction. However, my understanding is that you are still mentoring him. I know what to write in the banner. Also, I am wondering whether I am allowed to do so. / Hey Mid  (contributions) 09:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll get round to it at some point, but it's best to leave it to me. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   11:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Korean name
Hi, can you please restore the previous level of semi-protection to this template? Thanks in advance. PC78 (talk) 10:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Already done by Soap. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   11:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Sean Avolio G11 Decline
Regarding your declension of G11 for speedy criteria for this entry: no problem. FYI, I have submitted this article for AfD so you may wish to weigh in there (or not). --Quartermaster (talk) 19:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I were you, I'd tag it as db-bio. It's not spam, but it could be an A7, but I only deal with some of the general criteria, which is why I didn't delete it. If that one gets declined by another admin, then you can let the AfD run its course. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Monitor
Could you please do me a favor and monitor this user? (User talk:Within a dream) Hes really beginning to piss me off. WP:UNCIVIL ("I couldn't really give a shit what you think. And Lakeshade, piss off and let me be.") for when i warn him and tell him to cut the crap (not exact words, i wasnt rude). Removal of content and refusal to discuss, he may be correct as UK itunes is screwing up. Just general disruption and beginning to become a major pain in my ass, just does what he wants and doesnt care if its disruptive. Thank you. :) - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 19:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

TPM
Thanks for the semi-protect. .Malke 2010 (talk) 19:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Unblock request of Cinéma C
Hello HJ Mitchell. , whom you have blocked, is requesting to be unblocked. The request for unblock is on hold while waiting for a comment from you. Regards, —   Tivedshambo   (t/c) 20:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

As far as I see it, they made an addition to Kosovo, which was reverted as unsourced. Cinemas C then re-instated it (their only reversion), this time with a source. As I understand the arb-com one revert per week rule, this would seem acceptable. —  Tivedshambo   (t/c) 20:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

About 24.117.89.150
User:24.117.89.150 should also be blocked for editing his or her user talk page because he or she vandalized his or her user talk page today.  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   21:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If he keeps it up, I'll extend his wikibreak and block his talk page, but I've seen worse. Not very imaginative, is he? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

A Query
Hello my friend, I have aware for some time that certain Wikipedians, for one reason or another, have been harassed or even worse, identified by an angry somebody-or-other. Whilst this has been swirling around in the mists of my conscience, I am also well aware that I once uploaded (albeit ammended slightly) onto Wikipedia (not the Commons, just this branch). I have observed the quantity of vandalism to my userpage, and it has always occured to me that the picture and the corresponding introduction of myself may not be an altogether clever idea. Whilst some Wikipedians are fine with showing and describing who they really are, I'm not sure my main activity (when I have time) as an RC Patroller makes this altogether wise. In short, may it be deleted for now? Very best regards, Orphan Wiki  21:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've deleted the image, is that what you wanted? From a personal perspective, I'm quite open about my real name on my userpage, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable uploading a photo of myself. I suppose it depends a lot on the areas you work in. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, much appreciated. :) Yes, the image of myself I feel now was a tad risky, or maybe I'm just paranoid, but I feel somewhat more secure now. Not that anything had happened, I was just being cautious. Working on anti-vandal related stuff comes with many angry attacks on userpages, and thus an image may not be a grand idea. Really appreciate the rapid response. :) Orphan Wiki  21:45, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Ian.thomson (talk) 23:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)