User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 31

Good
Morning. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Extending rollback
Hi there, you just granted me rollback rights, which I'm grateful for, but I do have a question. I have an alternate account called Delta Trine which I recently created to use on computers I don't own in accordance with WP:SOCK; is it permissible for that account to also be granted rollback rights, or does it also have to rack up a certain degree of anti-vandalism edits? Thanks in advance for clearing this up. KaySL talk 17:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah. I have a few alternate accounts of my own and you make the connection perfectly clear, which is the only real requirement. I've given it confirmed, reviewer and rollback! Have fun! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:56, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanking you :) KaySL talk 17:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hey HJ Mitchell! Hoping you're having a good time on the US, I wanted to let you know about Bots/Requests for approval/Diego Grez Bot, a bot req for interwikis and fixing double redirects (exactly the same it does on en.wn and en.wikt), so I don't feel I did it secretly and you're still my mentor disregarding I'm taking a break from editing this WP. Cheers, --Diego Grez (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

PING
I've emailed you, because I mentioned you on a sister project. Tony  (talk)  04:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: WikiProject Screencast
HJ, it was a pleasure meeting and working with you this past weekend. Perhaps we will work together again in the future--until then, best wishes! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

user:MickMacNee
Hi - I request your attention and guidance in regards to this user's conduct at Articles for deletion/Wind Jet Flight 243. Almost every editor who has posted a "keep" vote has been badgered and insulted by MickMacNee. I have twice requested him to be civil, but to no avail. You have given good advice to this user in the past, so your counsel will be invaluable for keeping the AfD discussion in order. Thanks, Shiva   (Visnu)  03:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

ITN/FE
Hmmm, ITN/FE says it is for 2010 events. As we are heading into the last quarter of 2010, maybe we need to be looking towards 2011 too. I have an event in mind for Feb 2011, but not sure where to propose it at the moment. Mjroots (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Scrub that, I've just found the page with 2011 on it, and the event I had in mind is already listed. Mjroots (talk) 20:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was bored on day and added the first six months of 2011.  ~DC  We Can Work It Out 21:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Ribbon Problem
I was checking out an edit on your userpage when I noticed the pictures were out of line. When you added your picture at WikiHQ, it pushed the Yeoman Editor ribbon down and threw everything off. I took the liberty of removing it and replacing it with a userbox (near the bottom, as I wasn't sure where you would want it, if you wanted it) of the same "service level". If this isn't what you would like, of course, you are free to revert my changes. If you do and would still like the pictures and everything back to normal, let me know and I will work on a better solution. Take Care... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 08:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just lighting this up again. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 23:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It works for now. There are a few things I want to do with my userpage when I can be bothered so I might change it then. Thanks for tidyin' it up! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Could I have your opinion
… on this, when you have a moment? Thanks, Airplaneman   ✈  22:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I answered the question. — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  3:43pm  •  05:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Favor?
Could you take a look at WP:ITN/C and (possibly) post the Goldilocks planet one? There is clear consensus to do so it just seems that some admins are really confused. Thanks,  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen it. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it, though, so I was going to let the discussion play out a little bit or to defer to the judgement of someone who knows what they're talking about. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I assumed you had seen it as I saw you making contributions. I can't imagine you'd be on without looking at WP:ITN/C. ;) Any idea of someone who does know what they're talking about that has a Janitorial Mop of Wikipedia? Cheers,  Mr. R00t    Talk  23:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really. It might be better to wait for more discussion. After all, we're not about getting the latest "scoop" up as soon as it's out and it's better to wait and be accurate than to post quickly and f*ck it up or be misleading. I'll look at it again before I retire for the night (which may be a while. Damn jetlag!). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Davis & Shirtliff
Hi Mitch. I see you  declined the CSD of this article. It is in fact  an immediate recreation  of Davis & Shirtliff Group that  was already  speedy  deleted under A7/G11. While it's perfectly understandable that  we don`t  all operate the same threshold (everything  is open to  subjective interpretation  of our policies), two  editors and an admin  have already  expressed sufficient concern to  propose CSD or in  fact  delete it. I'm in a quandry  here because 1. I feel  it  should still  be deleted and that  I  should now take it  to  AfD (the next  step), 2 .I've been around a long  time but AFAICS,  we don't  appear to  have a criterion  for speedy  deleting  an article that  is an illegal recreation  of a speedy  deleted article. Thoughts? --Kudpung (talk) 23:59, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I declined it based on the author's good faith attempts to improve it. You're welcome to tag it under another criterion, perhaps A7, or PROD or AfD it. We don't have a criterion for re-creation of previously speedied pages, only CSD G4 for pages re-created after being deleted as a result of an XfD. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply. I  have always felt  that there should be a CSD criterion  for speedy  deleting  recreations of speedied articles. Do  you  just  happen know if this was ever brought  up  in  an RfC or a CSD policy  talk  page?--Kudpung (talk) 01:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it's ever been brought up, but the idea is that if the reason for the previous speedy was still valid, it could just be deleted again under that criterion. I suppose WT:CSD would be the best place to raise it and, like I say, you're more than welcome to try another criterion or use another process. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering...
...are you going to respond to my email I sent a while back? I was just wondering in case you forgot. The Utahraptor Talk to me/Contributions 02:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Apologies for the delay. Life is calming down a bit now, so, once I'm over the jetlag, I'll get back to you, my friend. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. The Utahraptor Talk to me/Contributions 02:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Quick Question
I understand your point at the edit war noticeboard about Radiopathy's 1RR violations being more than 24 hours old and stale, however, I doubt many other users will note and comment on a closed WP:ANEW report. In your opinion, is this something that should be moved to WP:ANI for further review, or should this just be ignored? Radiopathy has already ignored his indef 1RR on several occasions and gotten his fellow edit warrior blocked, even though the IP was adding sourced content. Is bringing this to his attention sufficient? I'd rather not stir up any unnecessary drama, so I appreciate the advice. Dayewalker (talk) 16:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose you could raise it at ANI, but if you're trying to avoid drama, it might be best to just let it go. If it's an ongoing issue, it might be worth mentioning it to an admin more familiar with the situation than I am or just making a mental note of it to raise at a noticeboard if it happens again. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You could also spend your time here more constructively than by running about playing "gotcha" with other editors. That only creates ill-will and is more harmful to the project than you seem to understand. Cheers.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  20:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm taking HJ MItchell's recommendation and just forgetting about this one. Thanks for the comment, HJ. Sorry Radiopathy, I really don't need advice on how to better use my free time from a guy who's been blocked five times for edit warring (plus once for sockpuppetry), and who is under an indef 1RR restriction. That's why I asked an admin for help here, rather than you. You got away with this one, it seems. Why you choose to edit war over trivial things on Wikipedia, I'll never understand. Thanks again, HJ, good luck in the future, Radiopathy. Dayewalker (talk) 05:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
yay! thank you very much for the grant Anirudh Emani (talk) 06:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Chang'e 2
Hi there, thanks for publishing the abovementioned ITN – I was convinced myself of its significance. Did you however see the alternate hook that I proposed? I think it is better than the current one on the Main Page. It goes: The People's Republic of China launches its second lunar orbiter, Chang'e 2, on 1 October as it announced plans to send humans to the Moon by 2025. — A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 15:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I've replied at In the news/Candidates. —David Levy 16:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Made some changes and a reply. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 16:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Double check...
Hi, HJ! I've commented on an edit you made here. Could you please have another look at that? Best regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 17:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Revisited and blocked for 24 hours. I missed that the first series of edits were effectively a revert followed by three straight undos. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Content dispute
Yep, I knew it was a content dispute but I didn't know where to post about it. Can I ask, how to resolve a content dispute if the user refuses to listen and call a comment about ratings inflation "idiotic". It's impossible to work with impossible users. How do you suggest I proceed? Jayy008 (talk) 21:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if it's an edit war, you can file a complaint at WP:ANEW, but the best option is to try to resolve it on their talk page or the article's. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I have taken your advice and the made the effort to try once more. It's not a content dispute, though. The user believe the information should be somewhere else on the page, but just removed the content instead because he feels it's "my lazy work" and he shouldn't have to do it for me. But, since he's the user with the problem, isn't it his job to move it? (general terms), thanks for your help in advance. PS. Thanks for the page direction to edit-warring. Jayy008 (talk) 22:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's always best to try discussion. If that fails, someone at WP:3O might be able to help. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Brilliant, thanks for all your help. Jayy008 (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Constantine Alexander-Goulandris
Hello. I would like to re-publish a story I had request to delete to some discrepancies. Now that those facts have been confirmed, I wold like to repost my article on Constantine Alexander-Goulandris. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IASONASHIOS (talk • contribs) 23:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Butterfly (Mariah Carey album)
Hello Mitchell. I came to you on September 20th and asked for your help in copy-editing. You told me you would be able to in "two weeks". It happnes to be almost 13 days already. Do you think you can do it now? It really isn't a big job. Thanks.-- Peter Griffin  &bull;  Talk2Me   01:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Monday. Or possibly Tuesday. I promise! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got some skill in copy-editing. I can do a bit of work on it until HJ's available.  Mr. R00t    Talk  01:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha thanks Mitchell! :D
 * Sure thing Mr. R00t! Your welcome, I'm getting desperate :). I'm trying to prepare the page for FA, so be precise ;)
 * Thanks guys! :D-- Peter Griffin  &bull;  Talk2Me   02:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Copyvios
You recently did a mass deletion on user:PeterRoyce. I did a quick look over a Wikimedia and see they are upping images there as well. For example Commons:File:Masiela Lusha on September 12 2009.jpg is sourced to "Emily Perez". As I was starting to tag images there I notice they are re-upping images here. File:Masiela Lusha on set of Kill Katie Malone.jpg and File:Masiela Lusha 2007.jpg for example. You may want to look into it and block or delete or question further. Soundvisions1 (talk) 02:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not a Commons admin, so I'm not much use there, but I'll look at the images here. I can always make another trip to Special:Nuke. My third in less than 24 hours. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:15, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Handy little tool. Soundvisions1 (talk)
 * Very. I've blocked them and mass-deleted all their uploads. What part of "do not upload copyright images and pretend to be the author" is ambiguous? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:24, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello :)
Hi there, I'm User:Addihockey10, you may have heard of me, if you haven't - well here I am :). I was wondering, I was looking for someone to coach me and help me understand policies to an administrator caliber. I have put a request at WP:Admin coaching but it looks pretty inactive at the moment. I was wondering if you (or someone you know) would be willing to be my admin coach. Thank you for your consideration. Happy editing! -- Addi hockey  10  18:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen you around. I think I actioned a few of your AIV reports earlier. I'll certainly be happy to help you informally. I've only been an admin for about 6 months so I might not be in the best position for formal "coaching". My best tip to start things off would be to participate in RfA to see what the community generally expects, and to think about how you'd answer the 3 standard questions. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * All right - will do! :) Thanks for helping! -- Addi hockey  10  19:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've voted on all RfAs, do you know where I should get more experience in? I enjoy vandal fighting and username reporting, occasionally I nominate "blanked by creator" deletions. Do I need more experience in other areas before considering RfA? -- Addi hockey  10  19:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * One of the things I think would work for me would be basically a quiz of what I would do in some situations presented. I'd be like presented a situation with a vandal that's only been warned 3 times and I'd be asked for an action. Then I'd answer :. Would that work? -- Addi hockey  10  19:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if vandal whacking is what you enjoy, get yourself noticed at RfPP, UAA and AIV. The most useful thing you can do at AIV is comment on the inactionable reports so admins can focus on blocking those who need to be blocked. At RfPP you can offer advice and opinions and see if admins follow it. The most useful is UAA, though. Comments on the non-vios (especially the bot false positives) are helpful, as is templating borderline cases with uw-COI or username concern. I'd give it a few months before trying an RfA and making sure you know all the relevant policies and the current practice. The other big thing at RfA these days is content work, so getting a few DYKs and maybe a GA or two under your belt would be good, assuming you;re doing it for the "right" reasons. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Another thing, vandals don't always require 4 warnings - there are many cases where I've blocked without 4 warnings. Connormah (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * True, as was the case with Special:Contributions/Shahbulleh1, you just need to use your discretion, but usually they need 4 recent warnings and 5 recent offenses. But I think the test is a good idea, but I'll look into getting those DYKs and some GAs - any advice on how to get DYKs and GAs? -- Addi hockey  10  21:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

What I would do, Addihockey, is either create articles and nominate them on T:TDYK or go to Special:NewPages and look for a potential DYK candidate there. As for a good article, look for one that has a nomination on hold. It's possible that it's on hold because certain issues must be fixed. If you fix the issues you will be given credit as a user that helped bring that article to good article status. Or you could start from scratch and work your way up, like I'm doing with the article Silver Reef, Utah. Hope this helped. The Utahraptor Talk to me/Contributions 21:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * All right, so I've only created 2 articles (Hello Time Bomb and Dover Bay Secondary School), I'm pretty sure they don't qualify under DYK. What if I were to make a DYK from a pre-existing article? -- Addi hockey  10  22:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You can only do that if it's been created in the past five days, or if it's been expanded five-fold within the past five days. This brings us back to searching Special:NewPages for a potential DYK. Be careful, though. You need to make sure the article is up to DYK standards; if it's well-sourced and there are no problems, and if you can come up with a good hook, and if it's been created within the past five days, then it qualifies for DYK. The Utahraptor Talk to me/Contributions 22:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I clicked the link. You made that page yourself? Hah! Ian.bjorn (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC).

User:Smile sexy boy
Can I ask how the username even remotely violates the username policy? — ξ  xplicit  02:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It seemed to me to be implying paedophilia. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but that's a terrible justification. This could equally imply that a teenage girl is behind the account, and I hope we don't block them for having hormones. Why was there no wait until the user edited? — ξ  xplicit  02:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If the user comes up with a valid unblock reason or agrees to change their nick than I'm sure someone would unblock. And I can tell you that no teenage girl would ever use that as a nick.  Mr. R00t    Talk  03:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree it seems unlikely a teenage girl would use that as a pseudonymn. Perhaps, in hindsight, I could have used a softblock, I guess I'm just sick of seeing some of the grossly offensive usernames that crop up, but I still think the username is inappropriate at best. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Or the user could have easily run off the site after being bitten. Whether or not a teenage girl would register such a username isn't the issue, it's whether or not the username violates policy—which I'm arguing doesn't—and the assumption that the user had pedophilic intentions before even making a single edit. This a catastrophic failure to assume good faith. — ξ  xplicit  03:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is an offensive username that implies pedophilia. Basically someone will find it offensive. Also if the user is a pedophile we wouldn't want them here. I believe we state that we block pedophiles in WP:Child protection.  Mr. R00t    Talk  03:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I simply do not see it that way. You see boy = child, while I see it boy = male, just like I would see Smile sexy girl as girl = female, not girl = child. In fact, I assumed the username was more homoerotic more than anything. — ξ  xplicit  03:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

For you

 * Nice...When I first read this on my watch list, I thought of the song "For You". It has a bit of a creepy chorus, but a good song to listen to on a rainy day. (I know, that was rather random...)-- White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 03:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, now I'm thinking of "Bite To Break Skin" by Senses Fail. Great song, but needs an article! Access Denied  [FATAL ERROR] 04:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it worthy of an article? I know that there is not a snowball's chance that "For You" will ever have an article. It's just a B-side that was never played on any radio (no B-sides ever are) and on one really has ever heard of it other than die-hard fans like me :P-- White Shadows Your guess is as good as mine 04:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why I made a redirect instead. Access Denied  [FATAL ERROR] 05:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

ITN candidate
Hello! Could you please take a look at this nomination? Thanks! —David Levy 04:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * If you can give me a good (or even mediocre) blurb, I'm happy to post it. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   04:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I know next to nothing about this subject, but here's an attempt:
 * In Australian rules football, Collingwood defeat St Kilda to win the AFL Grand Final, the third to be replayed in the event's history.
 * —David Levy 04:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, the shorter blurb that you posted seems better, though I'm under the impression that "defeat" is correct in Australian English. —David Levy 04:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, thanks again! —David Levy 04:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No worries. I'll leave the bickering over defeat/defeats to WP:ERRORS! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It's much easier when the item refers to a tournament, as we can sidestep the issue by stating that the tournament "concludes with [team] defeating [team]." Conversely, when the item refers to a single event, such wording would be peculiar.  —David Levy 17:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Hello HJ Mitchell. I wanted to let you know that I felt compelled to make an edit on the talk page for the talk page for the Lovejoy article. At the beginning of this section Talk:Lovejoy I am accused of making a masked reordering. I did not feel that I could let that sit there without a response so I added this section Talk:Lovejoy. I know that I have stated that I was going to stay away from the article for the rest of the weekend so if you feel that I have violated the letter or the spirit of that statement I will accept whatever judgment you deem necessary. Thanks again for your time in this. MarnetteD | Talk 17:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * PS I like the message box that comes up when we edit your talk page. Is it something that is easy to add to any talk page? I would have no idea how to start one so if it is complicated don't worry about answering. Cheers MarnetteD | Talk 17:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as you avoid getting into edit wars, you should be fine. Discussion on the talk page is something to be encouraged. As for the editnotice, it's very simple. The code for mine is at User talk:HJ Mitchell/Editnotice. If you want one, you can just add whatever you want to User talk:MarnetteD/Editnotice and that'll show up whenever someone edits your talk page. Hope that helps! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer and the info. I will look into using the edit notice when I get a chance. I know that I couldn't use the exact same one as yours since the cute pic of the cat also mentions being an admin - which I am not. I also had to come back and fix my Department of Redundancy Department edit. That is what happens when I try and type a message when I was supposed to head out the door two minutes earlier. Cheers MarnetteD | Talk 18:29, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Team Twiizers
Just thought you should know that GFDL has not been a compatible license for importing text since 1 November 2008, we only accept CC-BY SA. You can read all of the gory details at Licensing update. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that looks like a fun read! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Permissions
There is a nominated user on Wikipedia talk:Requests for permissions. Can you take a look at it. Thanks-- Talk tome (Intelati) 20:15, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How would I get a broad consensus?-- Talk tome (Intelati) 20:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It would probably be a good idea to ping a few of the editors and admins involved in the various ANI threads and ask their opinions. It's admirable that you're willing to help them, especially given how close they were to being blocked. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do.-- Talk tome (Intelati) 20:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, the consensus is that Inka 888 will have two weeks to use the plain old Rollback. The two weeks will be the trial period, if after that time we feel he had been abusing the right, and have more than 5 botched reverts. then the rights will be removed. If not, then he can use Huggle.

Thanks-- Talk tome (Intelati) 01:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can live with that. I've enabled rollback and reviewer since the former is not much use without the latter on PC-protected articles. Please make sure he's careful, I imagine many editors will have similar reservations to mine. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

One possibility wold be to salt Inkas huggle.css for a few weeks to let them get aqauinted with standard rollbacl first. Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 01:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea, but it won't stop him using Igloo. I'll AGF and if he blows it, I'll remove rollback and he might earn a block for the trouble. Hopefully it won't come to that. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

unblock request
Hi, as you put Collects unblock request on hold I thought to notify you as he has been informed by the blocking Admin as to the finer details and he has adjusted his unblock request, would you review it when you are able? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Collect#October_2010 thanksOff2riorob (talk) 21:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, I'll have a look after I've eaten if none of the RFUB regulars have got there first. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 21:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Image preference
Can you please participate in this discussion? It's about deciding which image is more appropriate for the Hannah Montana: The Movie article. -- ipodnano05  *  leave@message  23:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:WCHA
Need some admin assistance here. Big mess and no real end in sight. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 01:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

WT:ROLLBACK
Are you going to be commenting there, or am I just wasting my time? I'd like this matter to be dealt with and over so that we can go on with our lives. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm already on with my life. I don't have anything to add to the discussion there and, since you're using it as a chance to berate me rather than start a productive discussion, I doubt you;ll get nay useful discussion from anyone else. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, I'm trying to sort out the rollback definition since I've had the right removed for no good reason. I'm not berating you, the only thing close was when I voiced my displeasure that you acted the way you did without letting me discuss the matter first. That was me saying your actions were snide, which I stick with now, but it's not an insult like "Harry is a fag" etc. Now, as I've said, I wasn't breaking rollback policy, so the removal is grossly wrong, therefore the matter isn't over. As an admin, you shouldn't be this stubborn, you should be sorting these problems out. Paralympiakos  (talk) 14:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "Some snide admin"? That's bordering on a personal attack. You've been told at ANI why your rollback was wrong. TFOWR put it particularly well imo. However, I will add the page to my watchlist and contribute to any discussion on the proper sue of rollback, but I'd rather hear some third party opinions first. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've altered that in the face of misunderstanding. As I've just said, I meant your actions were snide, not you. There's no personal attack involved. Now, as I've just replied at ANI, I'd suggest you check that out. Do take something into consideration though, sometimes mistakes happen, sometimes things are misinterpreted. Now, there are contradictions in the rollback policy, which desperately need addressing. As they haven't been, I worked off of what I thought was correct. The fact that you remove the right without even so much as a warning or a helpful hint is wrong. Paralympiakos  (talk) 14:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe somewhere in WP:RBK that it clearly says if you're unsure use the undo button and that you are responsible for all actions with regards to Rollback and that it should NOT be used UNLESS a blatant violation of policy is evident in the edit. Also you may wish to read WP:BRD and WP:RBI :) Regards, — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  8:52pm  •  10:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know, but given my reading of the documentation at that point, I thought it was the right thing to do. Seemingly that isn't right, but it doesn't change the fact that HJ was wrong to remove the feature. I did ONE thing wrong and instead of being pushed in the right direction, it was immediately removed. I'm still very annoyed about that and am still waiting for its reversal. Paralympiakos  (talk) 11:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Misuse of rollback on any scale is merit for removal, "Administrators may revoke the rollback feature if they feel it is being misused, or if a user persistently fails to explain reverts, regardless of the means used." this is as it appears on WP:RBK. So HJ was just doing his job. — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  7:42pm  •  09:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Common courtesy would be to push the person in the right direction before doing that. Repeated misuse would then warrant removal. This was just wrong, plus the description has just been changed anyway. Paralympiakos  (talk) 10:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Your "push" was done here. You have successfully repeated your misuse, and it has been removed.  Please do not try to suggest you were inappropriately advised.  The ANI was clear that the removal was needed - you have a history of using it wrong, and refusing to listen to assistance related to the tool. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 12:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Refusing to listen? Right.... I'm amused that you're going back 8 months. The two cases are also completely different. ANI wasn't clear either. There were a fair few people saying that rollback wasn't even a big deal and that the issue being brought up there was ridiculous. Paralympiakos  (talk) 12:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sad that I have to go back 8 months - you're having the same damn argument you had then, so you clearly did not learn the first time. You continue fail to see that you caused an issue. You're right, rollback is no big deal, so live without it.  History repeats itself - and we all know that it's important to learn from the Hellenic past in real life - people need to learn from their own personal history too. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 12:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't have to at all. It's clear that it was a long time ago and hardly applicable given that timeframe. Mistakes happen and as I've made it very clear, I was doing what was right by my understanding of the wording, which no matter what you say was contradictory. Goodness me, if we had zero tolerance for tools and mistakes made, then Harry wouldn't even be an admin right now. Paralympiakos  (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, we need to learn from our mistakes. You failed to learn the first time.  You clearly have failed to learn this time.  You're aggressive stance both times is clearly unhelpful.  You should not have access to rollback: full stop.  You thankfully don't have access.  Based on your history and aggressiveness, it will be awhile before you do. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 12:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * True colours coming out now, huh? You seem to mistake aggression with bemusement and you have no idea of my history outside of rollback. Good day. Paralympiakos  (talk) 13:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But I'm at least slightly so, given I work at DYK. Your tone here and at ANI really just shows that you're getting way too heated over this, Para - which isn't the first time you've gotten extremely defensive over issues (the recent DYK one, for example). HJ did the right thing, and your behaviour is not helping your case any. At least four other admins and users in good standing agree(d) with the removal. Just give it up, get to reverting the proper way, and prove yourself to everyone that you can be trusted with it again. StrPby (talk) 13:25, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm "defensive" when I'm insulted by admins. My behaviour, as you put it, is only to discuss this. There is no aggression whatsoever. I'm just annoyed that admins can treat non-admins like crap, so frequently. I've taken this to wilkins' talk page anyway as I'm not happy with this treatment. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:28, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Nobody has insulted you directly. I have personally never treated you poorly: you clearly stated that you had never been warned about rollback issues, I merely showed you otherwise. The issue has been with your edits, misuse of a tool, and your attitude surrounding it. This isn't real life - stop getting worked up about it. PS: please keep the discussion in one place, and that's here. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 14:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're responsible for your actions, continual misuse leads to permanent revocation of the right. Rollback is to be used sparingly which part of that cannot be understood? If unsure revert, don't think that just because you acting in your best judgment that the right won't be revoked. — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  9:18am  •  23:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I need to be blocked.
Can you block me and my IP address for the next 2 hours so I can do my homework without being distracted? JDDJS (talk) 02:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer see that instead, it's a script that logs you out of wiki so long as the script is present or until the time you set is up. If you wish to come back email an admin and they'll remove the script so that you can login. — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  7:47pm  •  09:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Please removed email access from User:PSATNMSQT
This Zsfgseg sock sent me two messages with random junk. ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  02:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Rowr Ian.bjorn (talk) 03:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Thank you for giving me autoreviewer rights. I dream of horses @ 05:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

O.o
Hiya HJ, I just did some poking around Wikipedia with Special:Random and came across the Hitler Youth article and the abbreviation for the German name of the Hitler Youth, Hitler-Jugend, is HJ O.o I'm sure you're not a Nazi but this is interesting. — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  7:44pm  •  09:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Continued IP disruption
Hello HJ - last week you blocked IP 76.15.5.63 for continuously adding unsourced ethnic and religious categories to biography articles (contrary to WP:EGRS). Straight off their block they are back adding the same categories. Would it be possible to re-issue a longer block? Note that adding the religious and ethnic categories are the only edits that this IP performs, they ignore all requests to stop and review WP:EGRS. -- Jezebel's  Ponyo bons mots 15:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Pssst...thanks! -- Jezebel's  Ponyo bons mots 18:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Let me know if when they resume! I'll be happy to extend their wikibreak. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Block Question
Just wanted to drop by with a question. I'm just as tough on vandals as the next guy, but the block for this IP seemed a little harsh, given it was their first edit in almost a month. What was your reasoning for the block? TN  X   Man  18:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I took a look at their contribs and there's nothing useful or even borderline constructive coming from that IP. Granted, it's unlikely to be the same person making all the edits, but that just means that one computer is unfortunate enough to have multiple people vandalising from it. I didn't think 2 weeks was particularly long, but if you disagree, by all means change it or unblock. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. When I block school IPs, I tend to drop the length down if it's a new school year (since it may be a new person behind the keyboard), but your mileage may vary. TN   X   Man  18:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

John Dewey
Actually, having read a little further into the 3RR rule I think that rule has not actually been broken. Do you want me to post the problem anyway? (I really would like for the individual Russmeister to just move to the talk page and have an honest and open discussion, so we can come up with a solution, but he has been rather obstinate.) Mddietz (talk) 00:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I fixed your formatting errors and looked further into it, but I decided to decline the report. If they're still actively engaging in an edit war, then you may re-report, but an attempt to solve the dispute on the talk apge is always preferable to a block. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Written language
Dammit, that's twice I've gone to revert an article tonight on Huggle only to be beaten by you!!!

LOL! How are you anyway? --5 albert square (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! I'm just that good! I'm bored and AIV has quietened down so I'm doing so goo old' fashioned vandal whacking! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah I know the feeling! AIV was quiet as was my watchlist and the Cheryl Cole haters seem to have stopped speaking on other websites so I'm doing some good old vandal whacking too.  Nothing like it right before bed I find!  --5 albert square (talk) 01:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Quick request
Just wondering if you could give a quick 15-minute block to get his attention. Ian has been myspacing to the point of insanity on mine and airplaneman's talk pages, and no matter how much I point him to WP:MYSPACE it only gets worse. (For example, he just asked me to email him with a video of me playing bass on some metal song). I'd post this on Airplaneman's page but as Ian stalks there it would be a bad idea. A short block would be much appreciated. Cheers, Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 05:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * HJ Mitchell, as you know, lives in England. It is almost 7am there, so he should be up soon, but if this is something that needs immediate attention, please consult another admin.  Best place to look for online admins are admins who have just edited on AIV. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 07:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind, Ian seems to be "getting it"now Access Denied  [FATAL ERROR] 07:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

User Urgent01
HJ - could you clarify your block message for ? I'm not seeing a textbook 3rr at either article mentioned, but there is certainly a blockable "land war in asia" style edit war at one of them. I'm presuming it was a symmetrical block for that. Kuru  (talk)  15:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I clarified it in the decline. Toddst1 (talk) 15:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks both. The block was indeed for conduct at Van Flandern (incivility and drawn-out edit warring). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:LEGAL question
Can you please have a look at this edit and consider if it is in breach of WP:LEGAL - I take it as a "Perceived legal threat" saying "stay away from anything I do on WP or ....." Codf1977 (talk) 17:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Further to that he has breached WP:3RR on University College London - happy to log it on WP:AN3 if you want me to. Codf1977 (talk) 17:02, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that certainly looks like a legal threat to me, or at least it looks as if it were intended to be perceived as such, so I've blocked him until and unless he retracts the threat (or completes any legal action he may be planning, but nay half-decent lawyer'd tell him he doesn't have a snowball's chance...). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I plan to revert the last edit to University College London - no real point listing it on WP:AN3. Codf1977 (talk) 17:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * He has retracted his threat, which I have accepted - see his talk page. Codf1977 (talk) 17:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * you were one step head. Codf1977 (talk) 18:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. May I suggest you make a pro-active effort to talk things over with them as a gesture of good will. I'd really prefer not to have to break up the edit war with blocks. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Will do and thanks for your help. Codf1977 (talk) 18:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Maintenance tags on King's College London and University College London
Hi, thanks again for unblocking me. I would be most grateful for your advice as to how to deal with the maintenance tags which Codf1977 and 188.223.81.158 have put on the top of both the King's College London and University College London articles.

I don't believe that either Codf1977 or 188.223.81.158 are motivated by any desire to actually improve the quality of the King's College London and University College London articles. Neither has made any edits to either article beyond these tags today, their sole contributions to the articles have been to attack them for boosterism.

The tags which have been placed at the top of the articles reflect badly on the universities in question. They are also unfair as the leads of both articles are actually cited and factual.

Must these tags now remain until Codf1977 and/or 188.223.81.158 decide that they believe that the leads are neutral? I have placed my responses to the tagging on the discussion pages of both articles but no responses have been forthcoming (apart from the warning which Codf1977 placed on my discussion page which led to the 'legal threat' issue that you just resolved.

In my view, looking at their edit history, 188.223.81.158 is closely connected with the University of Durham. Codf1977 has an issue with me and UCL and their intention is essentially to waste my time, as they have been doing on the discussion page of UCL Institute of Neurology. You may think that I am being paranoid and I can understand that you do not want to get involved in a tedious he said/she said dispute. I am happy to take up my concerns about Codf1977 through the channels which you suggested on my talk page.

However in the meantime the maintenance tags remain at the top of King's College London and University College London, all the time reflecting badly on the two institutions concerned. Do you have any ideas as to how these tags can be removed ASAP? Many thanks in advance for your assistance. Rangoon11 (talk) 18:39, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Turkish block evader
Hi HJ. You're a braver man than I. Out of idle curiosity, am I correct in assuming that the block evader is ? Favonian (talk) 19:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly. Check their revert on the Cypriot invasion article and compare with the master's most recent revert on the same page. A duck if ever I saw one. I was just debating whether or not to extend his block and, if so, for how long. Any thoughts? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, kind of answered that question.  I think he should be sent to ANI, as this looks like an invitation to indef.  Favonian (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've doubled the block and told him that if he evades it again I'll indef him. I've also semi'd the article, so hopefully we won;t be seeing any more of him until his block expires, but somehow, I'm certain he's going to get himself indef'd over a pathetic edit war! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Contrition isn't his style: . I have semi'd Annan Plan for Cyprus, so at least he'll have to find a new target. Favonian (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've indef'd him. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:48, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Tmhm
Another one. Athenean (talk) 19:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed + rollback
'Ello! I'm now autoconfirmed, so please remove my confirmed.

I'd like to request rollback/reviewer. True, no vandalism fighting from this account, but it's going to be useful since I had it under my old user account. Thanks for your patience, Frozen Wind  want to be chilly?  20:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Confirmed has gone (saves someone a job when the database report is updated). Bear with me five minutes on reviewer/rollback. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:UAA
I saw your comment at UAA about "Gigabytes of block logs" - just wanted to let you know it's a returning vandal, unfortunately. TN  X   Man  20:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not surprised. The question was more "who" than "if". Glad it's taken care of. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

My talk page!!
Hey HJ!

Could you please drop by my talk page when you get a sec? There's someone on there posted under the header "Problem I don't really know what to do about" asking about edit warring and checkuser etc. I've given my advice but I just wondered if you had anything to add? You actually blocked one of the IPs that they're asking about! --5 albert square (talk) 22:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Look like Kww handled it. I've been chasing block evading IP socks all evening! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's sorted now thanks. LOL!  Is it busy over at AIV then?  I might pop over in just a sec and check it out :) --5 albert square (talk) 22:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, just a couple of nutters, one of whom managed to turn a short block for edit warring into an indef for block evasion. AIV's not bad atm, but then I have been putting the banhammer to use. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been quite busy with the vandalhammer recently, specially on Huggle! I like it!  --5 albert square (talk) 23:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)