User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 34

Unprotecting templates
The previous dispute over Czech political parties has been resolved, so could you please lift the protection? Thanks. Bastin 22:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

General
Thank you for blocking Tournesol. I realized something was wrong and seriously was really close to reporting him to ANI.

Tournesol's reply at his talk page give me the impression that he thinks he is allowed to harass anyone, as long as he doesn't do it so often (like every other week/month or so). Since the problems in June–August 2010 I have completely avoided reporting him to AN, ANI, nor warned or notified him of anything. In fact, I didn't even deserve the 24-hour block in August 2010 (decltype believed I was harassing Tournesol, but that wasn't the point; I was trying to tell him to stay away from me as much as possible).

Again, thank you for blocking Tournesol. I don't know if this block will do anything positive, but at least I know that Tournesol's comments are away from me for at least 2 days.

Best regards, Hey  Mid  (contributions) 10:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's unfortunate it came to that, but I believe it would have been detrimental to the project not to have intervened then since 85% of his enWiki contribs seem to involve you. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:RFPP
Would you mind running through WP:RFPP? There's an image on the Main Page that I need protected. Allmightyduck   What did I do wrong? 17:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I forgot cascading protection applied to images. :P Allmightyduck    What did I do wrong? 17:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Only ITN is cascade protected (which only applies to enWiki images, not Commons images). Images for TFA, DYK and OTD still need to be locally uploaded and protected, just for future reference. I'll try and run through the rest of RfPP in a minute. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Daydream (Mariah Carey album)
Hi Mitchell, I'm not sure if you remember but you promised me a thorough copy-edit of Butterfly a while ago and never did it :(. Well here is your chance to make it up, can you do this article?? Thanks :)-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   00:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

E-mail
Did you ever receive my e-mail about Diego Grez? Thanks! Peter.C •  talk  12:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not that I recall. When did you send it? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

BC —>BCE on Template:In the news
Hi, HJ Mitchell. I just noticed an edit that you made, adding news about the Blombos Cave to the Main Page through the In the news template. I was wondering why you changed the era notation of "BC"—which was present in the article—to "BCE" in your addition of the news to the template. Does this not go against the era notation guideline outlined at WP:ERA in the Manual of Style? If you read that guideline, it says never to change "BC" to "BCE" or vice versa without consensus or good reason. Thanks for your reply. &mdash; CIS (talk | stalk) 18:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't change it. I copied a suggested blurb from WP:ITN/C to T:ITN more-or-less exactly as it was written. My interest in the matter was solely in keeping the wheels of ITN turning. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. My apologies for not looking further into the background of it, then. Thanks for the reply. Cheers. &mdash; CIS (talk | stalk) 02:50, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

FLC and ACCESS
As a regular at FLC, I'd like to draw your attention to ongoing discussion here about changes to the format of tables which will affect all existing FLs and all current and future FLCs. Your input would be welcome. Thanks for your contributions so far! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Need help with user
I've been having trouble with this editor that just defines possessiveness over articles. If you edit a page (no matter what it is) he'll revert you if it's in his interest and when you try to speak to him about it, he bitches at you with nearly anything he can perceive (or even misperceive to make a Wikipedia guideline look as if it's meaning something different to back him up) all for the sake of him not just simply negotiating. I've tried several times to talk to him, he always yells at me says my edits are "disruptive" or he's just says that he doesn't care and does it his way. (Even see some of the messages he's left me and the history for bands such as Suffocation) He's a real disruption, can you talk to him because this is kind of ridiculous and I haven't been the only user he's done this to. • GunMetal Angel  00:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Daydream (Mariah Carey album)
Hi Mitchell, I'm not sure if you remember but you promised me a thorough copy-edit of Butterfly a while ago and never did it :(. Well here is your chance to make it up, can you do this article?? Thanks :)-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   18:20, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I will do my best, but don't get your hopes up. I'm not having an easy time in real life at the minute, so it could be a while before I can commit to anything on wiki. Sorry. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? It would take you no time at all, its not that bad. And I waited 2 weeks for the last one you promised and you never did it. I mean thats the only reason I'm asking, or else I'd just leave you be.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   02:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Its alright Mitchell. Forget it, I'll find help elsewhere, that won't make me wait a month and then tell me no. Bye-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   20:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Hiya HJ
I added you to this list under the Drink section, you being a fan of Whisky and all ;) I hope you don't mind. Your talk page needs a bit more humour so I hope you don't mind your addition to the list :) Regards, — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  • 6:18pm •  07:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Israel-Palestine editing
Hi HJ Mitchell, following the recent deterioration in editing of the Israel-Palestine set of articles, I've set up a page to discuss the problem and possible solutions at WikiProject Arbitration Enforcement/Israel-Palestine articles. Your input would be appreciated. PhilKnight (talk) 15:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

ITN
Needs updating. There is support for the Aero Caribbean Flight 883 article being promoted, and 3 blurbs have been suggested. Can you do the honours? Mjroots (talk) 19:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Already done. Funnily enough, I used exactly the same blurb as you suggested before I saw your suggestion! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh, great minds think alike, eh? Mjroots (talk) 19:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently so! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Rollback permission
Thank you very much. I hope to be worthy of this permission ;-) . --Dэя-Бøяg 00:59, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Canvassing at WP:ITN
So, it's obvious I opposed the Tomas nomination at ITN (and still do). But what are the rules if a nomination at ITN has been canvassed? has only commented on four ITN nominations since May (all hurricane-related) and it was 's first-ever edit to the ITN page. This just shout "canvassing" (off-wiki? IRC?) to me. Just my opinion. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 01:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I totally understand that it's already been posted, and it probably won't be removed. Just want to know what the rules are regarding canvassing at ITN, not questioning the posting. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 02:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think canvassing is the only logical conclusion. It's not as if these editors came out of nowhere—as far as I know, they all have a genuine interest in hurricanes/tropical storms and they're entitled to support ITN nominations that fall into their area of interest, rather like I would support putting a pretty actress on the MP. ;) We need more contributors at ITN and we certainly don't want to give the impression that only "the regulars" are allowed to contribute to ITN/C (disclaimer: last time I checked, I had more edits to that page than anyone else bar Candlewicke and BorgQueen). Even totally discarding the opinions of the hurricane fans who have little or no contributions to ITN, there is still, in my opinion, a weak consensus for posting, especially when you consider the opposers are claiming a storm that caused half a billion US$ in damage isn't a significant storm. It's not just about counting !votes. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Again. Amalthea  22:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And again ... Amalthea  23:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Question for you and your tps'
Hi HJ, hopefully quick question for you and/or your s (based on the recent section on WT:Req4Admin). I would presume that in the event of removal of "those" images on Muhammad that WP:3RR and WP:WAR could still be interpreted to apply - my rationale being, as noted under the clear cut exceptions, censorship is not listed. What I cannot find, but am pretty sure I remember having heard before, is that there are those who consider such censorship, as it's removing relevant content to be vandalism akin to (uw-delete). I err on the side of... well, never getting close, but I was curious if what I remember is part of a guideline or just an editor's opinion (and cant find anything clear on it). Thanks, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 05:48, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe 3RR would still apply as WP:3RR states only obvious vandalism isn't considered a revert (emphasis theirs). Since the removals are well-intentioned, it can't be considered vandalism.  DC   T • C   05:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If the images were added purely to cause disruption, then you can make a case for vandalism. However, the point of 3RR is to force people to try and find alternatives to reverting. In such a case, requesting full protection, asking an admin to get involved or going to ANI would all be better than repeated reverting. The exceptions to the 3RR are designed not to suffocate editors who are genuinely trying to keep the most egregious policy violations out of articles, which is why I take a very, very dim view of people who disingenuously claim to be reverting BLP violations or vandalism. Essentially, don't break the 3RR unless there is genuinely no alternative. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification guys... and no, I wasn't asking on my behalf; as I noted, I'd never get to 3RR (I've requested semi's, and other editors and admins to get involved in the past long before I got close). Just trying to ensure my understanding of policy is correct. Thanks again, R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 16:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Notification
As you participated in the ban discussion of SkagitRiverQueen, you are being notified of this Proposal to amend ban on SRQ imposed at ANI: from 1 year to indef. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

user:Schwyz
He complained in my user page in the Spanish wikipedia, and I took some time to review some of his edits.

About changing "Lagoon" to "Lake". Note that es:Laguna in Spanish translates to Lake in English, it doesn't translate to "Lagoon" even if the word sounds similar, it's just a false friend word. A Lagoon is placed right next to the sea and translates directly to es:Lagoon. Now, Lake Iguaque is at hundreds of meters above sea level and among mountains, so it can't possibly be a lagoon, it's a lake. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The legitimacy or otherwise of his edits is not the point (though, by all means, revert any of my incorrect reverts) it's that he's evading a block and causing further disruption. Tell him on es.Wiki that if he stops socking and makes his case on the talk page of his original account, then we might listen to him, but the more disruption he causes and the more socks he creates, the less welcome his possibly legitimate edits become. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Would you look at that
First person I've seen lately to earn a star without touching the FLC! Next time you get to babysit the candidacy page ;) Courcelles 13:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I thought you were doing such a good job, I'd just leave the babysitting duties to you! Besides, I wrote the damn thing from scratch, so it's nice to be able to put my feet up for a couple of weeks. Thanks for all your help—I couldn't have done it without you and June and 5asq. Next time you;re this this side of the pond, I'll buy you a pint! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Template:Uw-3block
Hi HJ Mitchell. I've begun a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace about whether Template:Uw-3block should be redirected to Template:Uw-ewblock. I thought we might preliminarily share perspectives there and determine whether TfD is needed. Thanks. --Bsherr (talk) 01:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I'll look in on that discussion when I get a minute. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hoax page
So I came across a page while checking up on copypastes and noticed a serious problem with Robert Henry Vaughn - I'm not sure how blatant it has to be for G3 to apply though. Could you or one of your talk page stalkers compare this version of the article to this version of Billie Joe Armstrong (in particular the "Early Life" section) and advise me on the appropriate course of action (or take it yourself)? VernoWhitney (talk) 15:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is an undeniable similarity there, but it might just be that the author based it on Armstrong's article. If you look at some of the articles I've written on Army officers, they're pretty formulaic. I don't think it's blatant enough for G3 nor does it fit squarely into any other CSD, though db-bio might be worth a try. If that's declined, then it would probably have to go to AfD. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll just send it to AfD so it doesn't get recreated. Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 16:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Wrapped in Grey
I boldly unblocked - it had about 3 hours left to run and I was willing to WP:AGF given that it's the first block. Gave the user a WP:CIR reminder though. Don't mean to tread on your toes. S.G.(GH) ping! 17:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. We all make mistakes and if he's not going to continue the edit war, there's no point keeping him blocked. Thanks for the note. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Inter2Geo Deletion
Dear HJ Mitchell, thank you for your work on wikipedia, but let me say that I am a bit surprised by the speed with which you deleted the Inter2Geo page, in a day or so. It is a European project that bundles together all the major Interactive Geometry software, with an impressive list of academic articles in reputed journals and international conferences: look at the list on our website. So the reputation verified by external sources is met. The tone was not improper, it was neutral. Please explain or revert your deletion. Thank you very much. Christian.Mercat (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, it was deleted via the proposed deletion process. It was tagged by another editor and deleted because nobody had objected to the deletion within 7 days. However, that process also allows for the article to be restored if anybody objects to the deletion after the fact. If you'd like me to restore it, I will, but be aware that the tag was placed because the editor placing it didn't think the subject was notable so, unless you can provide evidence that it is, that editor may choose to pursue deletion through the Articles for Deletion process. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, I am very sorry we all missed this 7 days period there: I was a bit busy and my other colleagues as well. As a matter of fact we are defending our project on Friday 12th Nov before the European commission so it is a very untimely deletion :-) I understand we should have added a list of references to articles talking about our project in academic journals, and as you can see in the list on our website, we do have a lot of recognition and our consortium really gathers all the big names in the field in Europe as you can check on the list of interactive geometry software which is a major topic in math education (no kidding :-) ). Thank you for reverting the deletion so that we can properly start the discussion process.Christian.Mercat (talk) 18:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then, article's back where it was. Since you refer to the company as "we", I should advise you to read our conflict of interest guideline. You are allowed to edit articles on subjects you have a close connection to, but you should be very careful to adhere to Wikipedia's policies, especially the one on neutrality. As long as you bear that in mind, you should be OK. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. We're going to try our best to show that it belongs in wikipedia. Yes, I do belong to the project, I have read the our conflict of interest guideline and I feel I am on the safe side, I am not selling anything there, I have lost a lot of time, earned no money but made a lot of friends with this project which is now released to the community. Christian.Mercat (talk) 19:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Obama's India visit AFD
Hey. Could you please have a look at this AFD and make a note/strike out the last !vote? An IP added it, faked a sig and timestamp, which appears to have been copied directly from the one right above it. I'd do so myself but the page is making my mobile browser lag like crap. Thanks. StrPby (talk) 01:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem a big deal to me. He doesn't seem to be impersonating anyone (probably just forgot to log in) and the !vote would be discarded by any admin worth their bit anyway. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced he simply 'forgot to log in'; the timestamp is clearly copied (timestamp given is about 22 hours after the !vote)... but your call. StrPby (talk) 01:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no policy against copying timestamps. If he'd forged another editor's sig, then that's a serious issue, but it looks like a genuine mistake rather than intentional deception. Even if it were deliberate, the worst that can happen is that it looks like he made his comment 22 hours earlier than he actually did, which doesn't have any bearing on the AfD or anything else. There are enough things to get het up about in that AfD without looking at time stamps! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Poppy
Hi

What poppy pic would suit you better? I have a couple but they are also of red poppies (although the petals are in a bit of a better state) and are both from above also.

Chaosdruid (talk) 03:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was looking for something either with just the flower in it or a picture of the remembrance day paper poppies. I was amazed that Commons didn't have any.  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The British Legion used to have some on their site but I don't know about the licensing. hth best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes: here where it says: 'This section of the site displays The Royal British Legion photos. You may download the images free of charge and use them in any way you wish (unless other copyright credits are listed). However, they remain the copyright of The Royal British Legion and you should credit their use, Picture courtesy of The Royal British Legion. ' Maybe that rules them out? Anyway, I hope this might have helped a little. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That sounds like they might be usable on WP. I'll have a look. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, it looks like the paper poppies are copyright because they're part of the RBL's logo. :( HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * this one is from commons - excuse the tps. Off2riorob (talk) 13:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)]]
 * Thanks, Rob! And TPSs are always welcome here. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, My father is marching today, and god bless him and anyone else that has, or is prepared to put their life on the line for freedom. Off2riorob (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hear hear. They've put their lives on the line for Queen and Country, the least we can do is STFU for 2 minutes a year. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Cornelia Tautu
I was the author of this article. It would have been nice if you'd notified me that you'd submitted it for deletion. She's a woman composer listed in other encyclopedias, so should automatically be important enough to be covered in Wikipedia. Pkeets (talk) 05:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You would have to take that up with, who proposed the article be deleted. I just deal with the back end of the process after a PROD tag has been left uncontested for 7 days. Articles deleted by PROD are restored on request, though, so I can undelete it if you want. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. If you'll restore it, I'll add additional info on importance.Pkeets (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Andrew Cumming
Orlady (talk) 06:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Brian Sims
Brian Sims is a civil rights activist that travels the country speaking about GLBT people in sports. He's not just a lawyer and that's not the focus of his Wiki page. Please reactivate it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sims —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webshaun (talk • contribs) 06:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, since articles deleted via PROD are restored on request, but be aware that the original tagger might pursue deletion through other processes. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Re:ITN for Cyclone Jal
I actually wrote the article longer, but after all the discussion involving the length of the article, i let them cut it down. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 09:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's alright. You still get the credit for it. You seem to have added more to it than anyone else and, without that content, it wouldn't have got on ITN. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanx
Thanx for giving me rollback privileges. don't worry whatever happens to Obama visit article I will continue to do my bit here on wp. Nothing that a polite bloke like you can say that can get me upset ;)--Wikireader41 (talk) 16:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. As for rollback, I always thought you had it until I looked up your rights out of curiosity. If I thought you already had it, you must be trustworthy enough for it! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sneal
Just fyi to explain why I have brought this back: I deleted the page as an expired PROD and then saw that, though she hadn't removed the PROD, a newbie had objected to deletion on the talk page. So, after a short struggle with my conscience, I was restoring the article (which I shall now take to AfD) just as you were deleting the talk... Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I thought I'd deleted it, which is why I zapped the talk page, but you must have got there a few seconds before. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I look, I see it was doubly ineligible, because it had been PRODded before in 2006 immediately after it was posted. I guess they hadn't invented the oldprod template then. Ah, well... JohnCD (talk) 21:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit
Hi

I realise you are a very busy person but I wondered if you might have time to give the article Three Laws of Robotics a quick look for a possible copyedit. I have copyedited it once already (and so I realise how big it is and how long it would take) and rechecked it but feel it may benefit from a second pair of eyes.

If you are too busy then no problem as I can always ask someone from GOCE to have a look, it was mainly because you were on the list at the peerreviewers page that I was asking you first :¬)

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 23:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I have neither the time nor a reliable enough internet connection at the moment to be undertaking a copy edit so I must respectfully decline. However, you might like to try User:Diannaa or make a request at the GOCE. Sorry I can't be more help. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As always the best people have the least time :¬)
 * There is a November backlog drive on so I figured the usual suspects from GOCE will be beavering away with little time to spare.
 * No matter, I am sure I can find someone to do it and thanks for at least thinking about it
 * Chaosdruid (talk) 23:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Go to bed!
--Stephen 00:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Much obliged! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Heya
Hey remember me, the one who gave you nightmare with "Paparazzi"! He he. Well I have a question regarding RFA. Can non-admins ask a question to the candidate or is it the prerogative of only the (a)godmins? — Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 09:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How could I forget an old friend? Anyone can ask questions at RfA. You don't need a mop. Whisky drinker  &#124;  HJ's sock  (Mistake? let me know) 10:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Billa 2
Can you unprotect this page as the film's advertisements have begun to be printed in vernacular dailies? Details of casting are now being released in interviews with director and producer of the film? Anwar (talk) 09:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it later, but I'm logged into an alternate accou atm so I don't have my admin buttons. Any of my admin TPSs care to look? Whisky drinker  &#124;  HJ's sock  (Mistake? let me know) 11:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Admin . The original protecting admin is active, please ask at User talk:SoWhy. Courcelles 11:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Note

 * User talk:Hipocrite

Informing per his request. - jc37 22:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Please see User_talk:Hipocrite
As requested by user. Thenub314 (talk) 22:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm back...
...and wrote my first article from scratch: Scope clause. Check it out!  N419 BH  06:48, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice. I'd never heard of that beforeI find there's something very satisfying about adding new knowledge to the encyclopaedia. Nice to see you back. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Your user page
Why have you replaced your entire user page with a picture (of possibly a flower)? Hey Mid  (contributions) 11:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * (tps) - Poppy day - Off2riorob (talk) 11:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Hey  Mid  (contributions) 11:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

RFPP
Thank you for applying the semi-prot to André (singer). I'm concerned though that the 2 weeks will not disuade the IPs/new accounts from restoring the copyright violations. I originally found and removed the copyvios in early September, since then a new account or IP adds the same copyvio back in about once every two weeks. As such, applying two week protection does not protect the article from the constant restoration of the offending material. Would it be possible to protect for a longer duration, perhaps three months? Perhaps by then they will lose interest...My concern is that if I miss the reinsertion of the copyvio on my watchlist, it will sit there for months or even longer without anyone noticing. Note that there have been zero poductive IP edits to that page since my edit back in September, so I don't believe a longer semi-prot will be impeding positive contributions. -- Jezebel's  Ponyo bons mots 22:54, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The trouble is that mine was the first entry in the page's protection log, so it would have to be pretty exceptional circumstances to justify a longer protection. There are two ways we can proceed: first is the old-fashioned way—if or when problems persist in 2 weeks, you re-request protection (ping me directly if you want) and it'll be reprotected for longer, rinse and repeat with the protection terms increasing each time. The second is the new-fangled way that slightly breaks the rules (but I prefer to think of it as ignoring them) and I can put it on indefinite pending changes. Any preference? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just an outside opinion here, I think you should go with the old fashioned way. While pending changes is not a bad idea, the old fashioned way would probably prove more effective in the long run. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 00:09, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem with option one is that it relies completely on me noticing the reinsertion of the copyvio. I have over 6000 articles (mostly little watched BLPs) on my watchlist...I try to be as on top of it as possible but (shrugs) sometimes I miss things. I'm willing to give it a "last chance" with the 2 week semi-prot, but if the disruption continues I may take you up on the Pending Changes offer. Thanks for hearing me out, -- Jezebel's  Ponyo bons mots 00:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, I'm sure I'll be hearing from you in 15 or 16 days! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Jizzlewits
Hi; he spent all of 12 minutes on. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * He's original, I'll give him that. And he likes his 20th century novels, very unusual for vandals. If I had a pound for every vandal I'd blocked for adding [insert popular culture figure] is a [insert derogatory term] all over the place, I'd be rich! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not as rich as you might think; there are a lot of repeats out there. His sort are part of why I keep a lot of the usual target-articles on my watchlist, which is up to 8,499, again, and needs pruning. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:42, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

JFK in Ireland
Hello, could you please inform me that I haven't copied content from a link I hadn't seen until the bot pointed it out? I removed it because it told me I could if it was a mistake. The book is new and the documentary claims to have been released in 1996. Thank you. -- can  dle • wicke  05:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've had a look and can't see your text on that website. I made a dummy edit to leave a note in the history and I'll note the false positive at WP:SCV. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind assistance. :) -- can  dle • wicke  02:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Why...
Since I'm watching edits by Stiki, I can't watch user's discussion page. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards--Alperen (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * My apologies, I hadn't realised you were using Stiki (nor how crap Stiki is). If you want, I can give you rollback so you can use proper anti-vandal scripts like Huggle and Igloo. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind offer, I'm ok with Stiki, I think it's cool though there may be occasional glitches like the one you have warned. Regards.--Alperen (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

STiki feedback
West.andrew.g (talk) 22:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

West.andrew.g (talk) West.andrew.g (talk) 23:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You had it coming
You certainly had this coming. I thought of giving this to you long ago, but forgot about it until now. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 01:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thank you! Anything in particular that prompted this? When I saw the section heading I thought I'd been desysopped or dragged to ANI or trouted or something unpleasant (people only notice what admins do when we don't do it properly)! How are you, by the way, it's been a while since we've spoken. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I did have something, but like I said, I forgot about awarding you this until a few minutes ago, so I can't remember the exact reason. I think it might have been about your work on WP:AIV, but I'm not entirely sure. I've been doing better, I guess. Things are beginning to clear up in real life (well, except for the bane of my existence school). How are things with you? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 01:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, well it's very much appreciated anyway. Like I told you a while back, stick with it. I'm still young enough to remember what things were like for me when I was around your age, but, in a few years, you'll be able to look back on it and laugh and you'll probably never see most of the people you deal with everyday now. Me? Money troubles. Job (or rather lack thereof) troubles. Though this is a page I'm certainly keen to keep an eye on, but that's more of a long-term thing. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)



The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs has bought you a pint! Sharing a pint is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a pint, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Cheers!

Spread the good cheer and camaraderie by adding {{subst:WikiPint}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Here's to hoping you overcome your job troubles. Quoting my favorite Brad Paisley song: "You may not see the silver lining, but there's a big blue sky waiting right behind the clouds." The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 01:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind...
... changing the wikibreak enforcer here to have the hour be "12" instead of "21" for when it lets me back in? I seem to have hit them in the wrong order. :) I shall not make that mistake when kicking out this account.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 06:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Done, but if I see you on before the 12th I'll have no choice but to block you for being so weak-willed! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I meant the hour, not the day. :) I fixed it, since it already expired a few days ago (sort of). :) Farewell. Hi878 isn't home.   (Can I take a message?) 15:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Oops
There hadn't been any news questions at the RfA for some time, so I got out of the habit of checking. Just responded.-- SPhilbrick T  15:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletions
Hi HJ, could you please delete all the last editons by the per RD2 or 3? Thank you. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 18:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems Courcelles has beaten me to it. Damn that bloke's quick! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:21, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * lol, anyway thank you, and thanks to Courcelles (I hope he's watching you). Tb hotch Ta lk C. 18:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

You have mail
-- Alpha Quadrant   talk    00:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
Nice to bump into you again on WP:RFPP! How are you keeping? --5 albert square (talk) 21:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * On WP, not too bad. IRL, not so good. No money, no job, job centre are being bloody useless! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's always the way isn't it? That's why I chose to transfer with my job when it moved.  Nobody else did and some of my ex-colleagues are still out of work.  Have been in Newcastle since July, 2 weeks ago coming home on the bus and it was ambushed by blooming football hooligans, I got whacked on the head (police say it was a metal traffic cone), and had a bus window smash all over me!  Nice bump on the head and several cuts on the face and had to give a statement to the police.  They're not catching anyone though :(.  I know I said I didn't want The Bill to end, that wasn't a hint that I wanted it in my own life though!  --5 albert square (talk) 21:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, sports hooliganism - what a waste. It's merely an excuse to trash the place, and not a good excuse either. (talk→   BWilkins  ←track ) 11:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

AfD of Shanghai High Rise Fire
Hey

Can you take a look at Articles for deletion/2010 Shanghai fire? It looks like a good candidate for speedy keeping, and then we can get it back on the front page. Thanks. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If it was AfD'd while it was on the Main Page, it qualifies for speedy keep, but it's not and WP:SNOW doesn't apply because we have at least 2 editors advocating deletion, so it'll have to run its week by my understanding of policy, but I don;t close many AfDs. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It was on the main page when it was AfD'd. It has since been removed due to the AfD. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 18:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it's supposed to be the other way around—the AfD should have been closed and not re-opened until it left the MP, but there's not much we can do about it now. I have a feeling, though, that if someone tried to put the TFA up at FAR, it would be closed before you could blink. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've taken it to ANI.-- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 19:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The dicussion has now been closed. I've asked on WP:ERRORS for it to be re-posted on the main page. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 21:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

You've Got Mail
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WP:UPROT
Per, two possible reasons why we should not automatically accept such requests: Speaking of which, perhaps it is time to try unprotecting your user/talk pages? I'm sure you have enough TPSs to revert vandalism anyway. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We do not protect pages unnecessarily. The policy linked above does include the words "... if there is evidence of vandalism or disruption."
 * Users do not own their user pages and the notion of "no one should change this without my permission" is damaging and against the spirit of Wikipedia.
 * He only wanted it move-protected, so I didn't see the harm. There's no legitimate reason for anyone other than that editor to move a userpage (except for 'crats doing a rename, but they wouldn't be affected by move protection). If he'd asked fro semi prot, I would have been more hesitant. As for my own userpace, only this page is protected, and I provide an unprotected alternative for those who can't edit this page, but the type of vandalism this page gets is obviously the type coordinated and arranged elsewhere on the internet and has been known to return within hours of this page being unprotected, so I don't feel that unprotecting it is an option. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're actually not supposed to edit someone else's userpage unless you have their permission. WP:OWN is about articles, not user pages.  Access Denied –  talk to me  22:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, quoting WP:UP:
 * "...pages in (the) user space belong to the wider community. They are not a personal homepage, and do not belong to the user."
 * -- The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 13:07, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * HJ: I doubt there is any legitimate reason for the article grapefruit to be moved. Andyou are right, it wouldn't do any harm to move-protect it. But yet it never has been protected ... Why? Because we don't generally preemptively protect things here, and I don't think this should be any different for user pages. Not a big deal, though, just wanted you to understand my point ;) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Ice Age: Continental Drift
I can tell you protected the redirect page Ice Age: Continental Drift. I just want to notify you there is a article about the same movie on Ice Age: Continental Drift (film). I don't know if it's because you are trying to prevent it from being a article or what. But if it's ok to have the film as a article, the protected redirection should really be the title name of the film. − Jhenderson  7 7 7  17:10, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Reliable?
Reliable? http://music.ign.com/articles/113/1135585p1.html. I honestly have no clue, i hope so because it would help ALOT with Cannibal (Kesha song) and Sleazy (Kesha song) and Cannibal (EP). I know its used on video games but i have no clue if it will meet GA and FA standards for references. Any idea? - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 00:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I'd say it might be. You could probably get through a GA review if that were the only major issue, but you'd have to fight bloody hard to prove it's reliable at an FAC. Reliability of sources isn't exactly my speciality, though, so it might be worth a trip to WP:RS/N. My best advice would be the same as for any other source that isn't absolutely iron-clad—don't rely on it too much, try to find alternatives wherever possible (so it doesn't look like the whole article is built on shaky sources) and, if that's the only place you can find the information, consider whether the information is really essential to the article. Have you done a search to see if it's used elsewhere on WP? I'm not sure how, but I believe there's a way to find every WP page with a link to that site. One of my TPSs might know. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think i just answered my own question. It's used left and right in basically every FA video game i can find. Eg: Kingdom_Hearts_II, Wipeout_3, Wii_Sports.....i could go on and on. Thanks for the help :) - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 00:20, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like a fairly reliable source; it's a professional article, there's indication that the site has an editorial process, and it's a respected publisher in the field, I believe. Giftiger Wunsch  [TALK] 00:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable. If it's used in multiple FAs (and if it's being used for reception rather than basic facts), I can;t imagine there being a problem with it. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks guys. All i want it for is reception and composition. Thanks again. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 00:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't you just love it
....... when we're supposed to be able to mind read and know why someone blanks information from an article with no explanation? I don't suppose they've ever noticed that little box down at the bottom there, the friendly one called "Edit summary" haha! The one that if used correctly, could avoid many a conflict!

How are you? I've been off work sick all week with the flu :( --5 albert square (talk) 02:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Or maybe they just filled out the edit summary in invisible ink? I'm sure Huggle is good, but it's not that good! It only takes 2 seconds to fill out an edit summary and, if you're not autoconfirmed, it reduces your chances of getting reverted by about 80%! Unless the edit summary is "ahahfkjnlk", of course! I've been better. I wasted £4 on bus fare going to the job centre yesterday, but if I didn't go (only to be told there are pretty much no jobs!), they'd stop my jobseeker's money which, nearly 3 weeks after I claimed, I still haven't received, so there goes any hope I had of anything substantial to eat today! Lousy job centre. How's RL treating you? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hah I've been off work all week stuffed with the flu :(. That said, I've not had holidays or anything since last December (well apart from my days off in lieu when I have to work a weekend day) so I hope work are ok with it all.  Then I got a nice little letter from the Council reminding me that I hadn't paid my council tax on time.  Yet if they paid attention to their emails they would have seen that I emailed them, explained that I was going to go into their offices on the day it was due to make direct payment but I couldn't because the day before I was involved on an incident on board a bus and that day had to then be spent getting medication and speaking to the police, so I emailed them explaining everything, apologising and asking what to do and haven't had a response by email!  I'll have to phone and explain exactly what I said in the email :(.


 * I've also been trying to fathom out the new ClueBot reverting an edit to Pippa Black before. All an IP did was put that she's now in the American soap opera Outsourced and ClueBot NG took that as vandalism!  Went to report it as a false positive and the submit button on the false positive page has gone AWOL so just had to leave a general message.  Really is beyond me why it was taken as vandalism so I removed ClueBot's warning from the IP's talk page, and left a suggestion on ClueBot's talk page that if it's going to start reverting less obvious vandalism perhaps it might like to leave a welcome template first of all rather than warn straight away.  I can't help but feel if it warns straight away for the kind of reverts it's doing it might scare away genuine editors.  It's up to ClueBot's owner though, can only suggest!  Apart from that I'm fine!  Not good about your jobcentre :( --5 albert square (talk) 13:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've noticed the new, more aggressive Cluebot. That edit certainly doesn't look like vandalism to me. The old Cluebot only reverted the most blatant stuff, but Cluebot NG seems to be reverting less blatant stuff, though I have to say, that's the first clear mistake I've seen it make. I'm slightly concerned that I've seen it revert the same editor 5 times and warn them each time then report them to AIV, but every time I've seen it do that, the edits were clearly vandalism and I've always actioned the report. It's still new, though, so perhaps it'll be fine-tuned as and when. At least a more aggressive Cluebot will make things more difficult for vandals (and give me more excuses to use the banhammer, which is always a good thing!). I wonder what happened to DASHBotAV, though. It hasn't edited since the 22nd of last month. I suppose you can only have so many AV bots running around the place at one time!
 * Make sure you do phone the council and talk to a human being (even if it means half an hour on hold listening to classical music!) or they won't leave you alone. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:26, 19 November 2010 (UTC)