User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 63

Can you take a look at this?
Looks like MiszaBot archived my first request, so I'll bring it up again. Can you have a look at Silver Reef, Utah? I'm trying to bring it up to FA status, and I want as much feedback as possible (I will also add that I'm going to start a peer review soon). The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 15:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ugh! I need to find a better way of archiving this page. It's too busy to leave things here much longer than 36 hours, but I occasionally get requests that need to stay here a bit longer. Anyway, I will look. I'm just trying to do a dozen things at once right now! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should put the archive time to 48 hours or more and just manually archive the discussions that require quick archival? And do feel free to take your time with this request; I'm in no hurry (in fact I kind of want to take my time here to ensure that the article is ready for FAC). The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 16:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Making sure MiszaBot doesn't archive this again. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 22:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I will get to this, I promise. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. I'm getting some help from Dianna, but you're welcome to jump in whenever you have the time. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 19:10, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It may interest you to know that an old discussion on how to label Silver Reef (ghost town, unincorporated community, or semi-ghost town) has been brought up. I'd like your input here, as well, if you have the time. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 02:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Quick update: I have created a peer review for this article here. Feel free to leave your comments there if you like, or you could leave them on the article's talk page. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 21:09, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Archiving can be delayed for a particular thread by substituting the template DNAU into the thread. Use   to retain a thread indefinitely, or   to retain a thread for days.  All you have to do is use this template underneath the header of a thread. — cyberpower  ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 00:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting keep.svg Done Thanks for pointing that out. — cyberpower ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 07:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

James F. Roe
Not sure what you mean by "please provide a rationale". I provided one: "Non-notable former college football player, fails WP:Athlete".--Yankees10 23:56, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You missed "and an edit summary". HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think he means that you should have listed why he is not notable and/or does not meet WP:ATHLETE. –MuZemike 23:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just meant that he should provide an edit summary so that anybody watching the page has a fair chance to object if they want. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I should have provided the edit summary. Bad habit, always forget. But I still don't understand what "please provide a rationale means".--Yankees10 00:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I said "at the bare minimum, please provide a rationale and an edit summary"; you provided a rationale, so I know why you want it deleted, but not an edit summary, so nobody watching the page knows you want it deleted. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So thats your reasoning for declining the PROD?--Yankees10 00:15, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is indeed. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

WindSeeker Copy Edit Request
Hello, just wanted to ask you if you are willing to take a look at the WindSeeker article and tell me what can be fixed or changed. I am asking for this review because I will be nominating the article for FA status once I believe the article is ready.--Dom497 (talk)

New Page Patrol survey
14:28 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Requesting Protection
Can you please FULLY protect this? — cyberpower ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 00:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If my account is ever compromised, not even the compromiser can edit this. — cyberpower  ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 01:25, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I forgot. Can you add underneath the string:

In order to alter the hash string, the original string must be provided to the administrator to whom he or she is altering it. '''This is the original and authentic hash string. Any other string made that does not have this hash must be disregarded.''' — cyberpower ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 01:32, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, but "the original string must be provided to the administrator to whom he or she is altering it" doesn't seem to make sense to me. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:42, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? What doesn't make sense about it? — cyberpower  ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 01:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it doesn't quite parse, but that's no worse than your mangling of the accusative pronoun, Harry. The gist is that if the string is to be altered, the admin who is about to alter the string must be presented with the original string first.
 * Anyway, the report on the Liverpool 1 Meetup along with embarrassing photos is up on meta. Prizes of beer will be awarded for the best captions. --RexxS (talk) 01:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. If the compromiser tries to alter, they won't be able to.  If s/he tries to request it to be altered, they won't be able to either because they don't know the string to the hash.  It's also from now on a hidden page not connected to any pages whatsoever. — cyberpower  ( Talk to Me )( Contributions ) 02:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to take the SuperKombat AfD to Deletion Review
I have some big problems with the MMA closes you've performed recently. It's not merely that I disagree with the call, but I have some serious issues with the way you established lack of consensus, IMHO ignoring the enormous amount of socking and process manipulation endemic to these procedures. I'm not satisfied with the rationale given in your closing statement. In this case I don't think that reopening and relisting is a good option. I hope you don't take my disagreement with your action personally. BusterD (talk) 03:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing personal at all. I've re-evaluated the first close based on the new information about socking and closed the second as I saw it. The socking muddies the waters, but removing it doesn't magic a consensus that wasn't there. You're welcome to go to DRV, but I won't be changing my mind unless community consensus says I'm wrong or more information is brought to my attention that wasn't available when I made the close. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

YGM
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1001
You beat me to blocking 78.40.239.5 by a few seconds. I was intrigued by the length of the block, though. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:41, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * More because it amuses me than anything else, and because it's an arbitrary duration that's longer than their last block. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's about what I guessed. But surely, an administrator isn't allowed to have a sense of humour. I thought it was obligatory to be a sour, embittered person with no thought in your head other than a savage desire to arbitrarily torment poor innocent users, in furtherance of the wishes of The Cabal. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well we just have to express our sense of humour through our arbitrary torment of innocent users! ;) Will you be at the meetup on the 10th? RexxS speaks highly of you. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 1001 days itself is a reference to One Thousand and One Nights. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

India's Most Desirable
Hello !! Mitchell. I just noted that you have closed Afd for above as keep. However, it seems as an over sight you have forgotten to remove AfD tag from India's Most Desirable. Just a reminder. Jethwarp (talk) 17:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The move probably messed up the script. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:40, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:V
Hi HJ. I wonder if it might be possible to give some sort of status update regarding the RfC close. I noticed that Black Kite is on a wikibreak, which may explain things. Whatever. We proles are getting a bit restless, though, and the ongoing discussions to fill the time are getting a bit unhelpful IMO. Cheers. --FormerIP (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look, and I'll see if I can dredge up a couple of other admins to help me on IRC. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. --FormerIP (talk) 21:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pied Monarch
Is there any particular reason why Snowman and Casliber got notifications of the above being on the main page and I didn't? Sabine's Sunbird  talk  20:43, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Their names were in the prep when I moved it to the queue and signed it for the bot? But I suspect that isn't what you actually want to know. You'd have to ask whomever nominated it why they didn't credit you. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Must have gotten lost. I was in it originally, or at least I thought I was. At any rate, thanks for fixing it! Sabine's Sunbird   talk  00:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Stranger things have happened... I'm afraid I can't take credit for that, either—that was Materialscientist, but he was kind enough to append my signature. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Southside Composite Squadron
HJ Mitchell,

I am not questioning your judgement. Would like to know why the Southside Composite Squadron was deleted? I don't mind. It is now (one less) article for us to worry about. Adamdaley (talk) 02:31, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Because that was the overwhelming consensus at Articles for deletion/Southside Composite Squadron and, without meaning to be rude, it was linked from the deletion log. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:35, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fine. No problem thanks for telling me why.  Adamdaley (talk) 02:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Deolinda Fonseca
You just deleted the biography of the Portuguese-Danish artist Deolinda Fonseca, just as I was about to add new sources of information. I don't quite understand why you deleted the article so quickly when it recently had been placed under review for additional discussion. Can we restore this, since I believe these additional sources fulfill the requirements? Thank you.

Entries in the Library of Fundação Gulbenkian: http://62.48.146.39/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=132S16270Q067.1754387&profile=ba&source=~!fcgbga&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100024~!192605~!0&ri=4&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=Fonseca%2C+Deolinda%2C+1954-+--+Cr%C3%ADtica+e+interpreta%C3%A7%C3%A3o&index=SUBJECT&uindex=&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=4#focus http://62.48.146.39/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=132S16270Q067.1754387&profile=ba&source=~!fcgbga&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100024~!218346~!1&ri=4&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=Fonseca%2C+Deolinda%2C+1954-+--+Cr%C3%ADtica+e+interpreta%C3%A7%C3%A3o&index=SUBJECT&uindex=&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=4#focus Entry in The Library of Fundação Serralves by Phd.in Aesthetics, Maria de Fátima Lambert: http://biblioteca.serralves.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=J3221TP706640.109561&profile=bfs-en&source=~!bfs&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100001~!16929~!4&ri=1&aspect=subtab35&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=Laranjo%2C+Francisco%2C+1955-&index=&uindex=&aspect=subtab35&menu=search&ri=1#focus http://biblioteca.serralves.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=13221KM29V333.109520&profile=bfs&source=~!bfs&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100024~!16929~!51&ri=1&aspect=subtab86&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=colectivas&index=.GW&uindex=&aspect=subtab86&menu=search&ri=1#focus Entry in The Library of Fundação Serralves by Ana Cristina Fontes: http://biblioteca.serralves.pt/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=13F2181OM4087.110219&profile=bfs-en&source=~!bfs&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100001~!4934~!2&ri=4&aspect=subtab35&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=Fonseca%2C+Deolinda%2C+1954-&index=&uindex=&aspect=subtab35&menu=search&ri=4#focus - The Danish Ministry of Culture's artist index: http://www.kunstdk.dk/artist/deolinda_fonseca - Exhibition at Instituto Camões, the portuguese institute for promotion of portuguese culture: http://www.instituto-camoes.pt/comunicacao/encarte-jl/1224-as-tres-vidas-de-uma-pintura

Aadelse (talk) 03:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the AfD was open for over two weeks (twice as long as normal), so you had plenty of time to improve the article. All I can suggest now is that you draft a new version of the article on a subpage of your userpage, perhaps User:Aadelse/Deolinda Fonseca and ask me or another administrator to move it to mainspace when it's ready. I can restore the deleted article to that apge if you'd like. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

inre Articles for deletion/Pravaadi
Thanks for the compliment. I just wish folks did not use G11 when a simple TOOSOON would suffice. I would not opose a recreation if the anticipated February launch date proves true and we get further coverage.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Would like more editors/admins to look at the sources provided to conclude Cung Le's Natonality/citizenship
I posted this on The Bushranger's talkpage as well, as well as other editors. I am requesting for more editors to look at the current evidence provided and determine a final conclusion, especially since Cyberpower may have not verified his source as compared to the sources I have provided. Much of the information can be found on my Talkpage. I am trying to deal with this in a civil manner and would not try to make any personal attacks towards editors nor try to threaten to sue Wikipedia, joke or not. However, I am questioning the source of information regarding Cung Le's Nationality given by both the user Glock and even Cyberpower, who said he was handling the matter. As Wikipedia requires, a source of information needs to be verified. The source for his nationality given by Cyberpower apparently is a user on Facebook that claims to work for Cung Le and knows specifically which citizenships/passports that he holds. I am asking directly for more administrators to step in and view and verify this source to be legit, as compared to all the sources I have provided including direct tweets and quotes from Cung Le himself and his website. I further ask for the admins to tell Glock to stay away from my Talkpage and other ways of communicating because I find his comments absolutely ridiculous, outrageous, and disruptive, while I am trying to deal with this in a civil, respectful, and reasonable manner. All I ask if for everything to be verified, just like Wikipedia requires. I find the co-worker who claims to be Cung Le's co-worker rather suspicious, and evidence must be shown on how he knows the information that is being seeked. If this can not be provided, I ask that Cung Le's Nationality be reverted back to an American of the U.S.A. Please clarify if you can. This is the Facebook user in question who claims to be working for Cung Le and knows exactly which citizenship he holds: redacted This is Cung Le's facebook page (redacted) where a user claims to represent Wikipedia (Cyberpower?) directly posted on Cung Le's wall and received a response from the user who claims to know specifically what type of citizenship and passport that Cung Le holds. However, he has yet to provide enough evidence that 1) He actually works for Cung Le 2) That he specifically knows that he has a Vietnam passport. To me it is highly suspicious, if this can be proven otherwise and that his claims are legit, I will stop from dispute and no longer further try to research this issue. But again, all I ask is for more admins to take a look at this. No disrespect to you Cyberpower, but I just find the current source from a Facebook user that claims to work for Cung as not enough proof. PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 09:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Tahir Abbas
Could you please explain the decision to put full protection on this article instead of semi-protection? thank you, Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a content dispute, and a suggestion that the person with whom you're in a dispute may have a conflict of interest does not mean it ceases to be a content dispute and semi-protection favours one side of the dispute. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:13, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a content dispute in which the subject of the article (or his representative) is editing the article against a well-developed consensus on the talk page, using a variety of IP addresses. As I noted on RFPP, it's the changing IP addresses that are causing the problem here; this quite obviously one person.  Did you check geolocate?  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The consensus has only been determined by detractors - people against Dr Abbas are editing the text - and in the process misrepresenting him on the internet - it is quite a deliberate strategy. The facts are clear - 1. The THE article has been removed from the internet after a lengthy legal process, and for particular reasons which are confidential, 2. The secondary source does not make it clear the exact issues in relation to 'plagiarism', and the T&F retraction is not an open source document; people have to visit the journal site and request the paper before it is emerges, then as an open link. Dr Abbas' detractors know this, but wish not to be open about it, 3. The fact that four or so editors agree it is good idea to keep it in does not mean a consensus when neither the University of Birmingham or the THE are in support of the story's nature any more, of the former ever were, 4. The details of the allegations are a confidential employment matter, there are no external complainants in relation to these allegations save for these detractors and 5. There is an on-going saga that is exactly two-years in the making, making a mockery of the notion of balance and fair play in Wikipedia BLPs. There is a clearly an attack on Dr Abbas, historically and now, and certain people are using Wikipedia as the basis for it.

Wikimania
Hi Harry - Hope you are well...on the Bristol Wikimania Bid page. The page is at a very early stage and needs work on it. I am keen for a distinction to be made between London and Bristol, as I am sure you are. I had doubts about putting any section in acknowledging the London bid at all, but did so as a sign of communtiy goodwill, hoping to find time to tidy things up later etc. If there is a need for attribution I think it is unhelpful in terms of the two different bid identities, so I plan to take the section out completely and rewrite or delete it in my own fashion when I get time. So, I am telling you before doing anything first out of respect as it might look like I am cross or something silly like that - which I am not. the text crossed from one bid to another as Panyd simply suggested I borrow text from London bid, that's all in order to get the page going. As the Bristol page unfolds its own text will take precedence. So doing the decent thing and mentioning it first Steve Virgin (talk) 22:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough, and you're perfectly welcome to use the text I wrote if you want. I was just slightly concerned that it was being used without attribution. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Sylvia Sun AFD
I was surprised that you closed this AFD without relisting, and believe you should reopen/relist it. None of the keep !votes were grounded in relevant policy or guidelines, but were based on arguments that have repeatedly been rejected in similar porn performer AFDs; similar discussions have even been closed as deletes. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, there's no consensus, so a re-open and relist is easy enough. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

7mike5000
What do you think of this edit, and other recent ones by ? I happen to think that is exactly the opposite of what a contentious topic like the September 11 attacks needs, but I wanted to get a second opinion on this before moving forward.  NW  ( Talk ) 23:08, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The edit doesn't seem helpful, and could be seen as deliberately trying to inflame an already heated discussion, but I should probably consider myself WP:INVOLVED when it comes to 9/11—I've expressed my opinions on the amount of coverage the conspiracy theories should get, which would make me an anti-American nutter and conspiracy theory apologist according to some. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:33, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, in any case, he hasn't been officially put on notice yet. I guess this qualifies. And...I think I may have done that too. But I can't really remember. Am I still WP:INVOLVED if I don't even remember which way I opined and why?  NW  ( Talk ) 23:36, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "INVOLVED" when it comes to 9/11 basically means making an admin action someone disagrees with, so until you do that, you;re probably safe! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:39, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

England counties
Harry, do you know the current consensus for listing a county in England in an infobox? I can't remember the name of the project, so I can't dig up the discussions. I know they came up with a ridiculous guideline a while back where you had to list the current county name, even if the subject of the article was born prior to 1974.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  18:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Just a suggestion, but might common sense apply here? --Mais oui! (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * But which common sense? The one that says that if someone was born in 1940 in Lancashire, that's the county you list, or the more recent common sense that says you should list the current county name, regardless of when the subject was born? To be historically accurate, chose option one; to avoid edit wars with the well-intentioned but misguided, option two. I can't live this way!  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  19:34, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * How about the common sense that says if neither option is obviously better then choose both? Just say they were born in "X, County Y (then part of County Z)" and be done with it (I remember a fascinating edit war over whether Stargate SG-1 was an American or a Canadian show, since it's made by an American company in Canada - you'll notice the first sentence now says "Canadian-American", since common sense did eventually prevail. I sure the same can happen for English counties.) --Tango (talk) 19:44, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Significant coverage?
In this AfD you stated that "no evidence has been provided that it might have sufficient coverage". Do you not agree that an extensive Secondary RS article, such as this qualifies? May I ask why not? Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 22:35, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not my place to agree or disagree. The consensus was that the coverage was insufficient. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:51, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ==Deletion review for Pacific Square==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Pacific Square. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 08:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Y'know, for future reference, there's a big difference between asking for my opinion on a source and actually attempting to discuss my close rather than going through the motions so you can take me to DRV. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Addition to Phil Goff
Just letting you know that I have added a section on the results of the 2011 general election, stating that Phil Goff's position as leader is in some doubt. Cheers ◆ Min✪rhist✪rian ◆  MTalk   22:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * May I ask why you're telling me? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Eric van der Kleij
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 03:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wohoo! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability RfC closing
I believe that you, BlackKite, and I were the admin volunteers to close this RfC. I think I've now done most of the reading ... how do you think we ought best to proceed? Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Lucky us! ;) I've been flipping through it when I've had chance, but not quite read everything. What would be the easiest way to discuss things off-wiki? Email? IRC? Skype? Some other method? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 4.5th-class mail, obviously.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There is such a thing? ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:26, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, that source seems pretty reliable, wouldn't you think?  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXVIII, October 2011
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A barnstar for you!

 * Probably best to let the AfD run its course. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

# 9 and #10
I answered them. They were questions posed in good faith and deserving of answers. They simply needed more thought as I really try to avoid kneek-jerk responses. :)  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:53, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; I tend to dislike generic questions, especialyl when it's clear the questioner hasn't put any thought into whether it's a relevant question for the candidate, but it's entirely up to you whether you answer them. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:33, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

deletion of article Hazem Shoukry Designs
Hi HJ Mitchell we are Hazem Shoukry Shoukry We are sure we can describe our reason being in Wikipedia Can we start again with new article We want to talk about the merge of stone with other materials, As when putting wood as example with stone we have to talk about who hard and the know how of it As both are natural materials but they are moving against each other in reaction to the cooled, heat and water ( we can talk a lot about that ) And stainless steel with stone. ( the merge of soft and hard materials ) Copper with stone Glass and stone Also a very soft material with stone ( we talk her about transparency in architecture basis and principals ) The idea is we are talking about adding the concept of using architecture solutions by mixing materials with natural stone Maybe we show that we talk about ourselves, we will correct this. It is very unique point of view that will add to the readers a large knowledge

Thank you Mr HJ Mitchell. --Farah26 (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortuantely the consensus here is that the subject is not sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia article. As an administrator, my role is simply to dtermine and enact the consensus rather than to make a judgement about the validity of the article. I would suggest waiting until the company has received more coverage and then asking the participants in the discussion to re-evaluate their opinions. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Page Bamberg State Library deleted
Hi, HJ Mitchell, I don't know much about wikipedia, but I hope you can help me: You deleted the page Bamberg State Library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamberg_State_Library). Why (CSD G8) and what's to do now for me? Thanks a lot.
 * It looks like you tried to create an article on the talk page, and so it showed up as being a talk page without an associated article, which is why it was deleted. I've restored it and moved it to the proper location for you, but you might like to create an account so you can create articles in future, or use the Articles for Creation process (though that can take a while). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Template:Navarre-geo-stub
Sorry for the inconvenience. The main problem I have in this wikipedia is my little knowledge of English that prevent me from expressing my opinion due to part quedebo use automatic translator in addition to knowing little available resources such as the equivalent of Board of Administrators (Bibliotecario) of the Spanish Wikipedia, address the issue. This is a case that has been discussed from Wikimedia Commons and it is that the issue should be discussed here in a proper manner. The usual procedure in the Spanish wikipedia page is protected with the issue in dispute more stable until it resolves the issue but each project has its own procedure.

My interest in this image is justified by the great job that I have developed both as illustrated articles and want to be ur correct images of the symbols of Navarre where I worked to get the correct versions and in them the last thing I want attribution is my staff. But in this particular image the problem is the use of dimensional effects using different shades of one color totally inappropriate in the crown of the coat of arms that part of that do not appear in any real or model matches the description of shield presented by the Government of Navarre (BON nº 140, de 20-11-1985) for use in formal events and where the official flag but does not describe the exact shade is a color image without these effects is not their own so a flag where ever recorded versions are used if not embroidered or painted with colors.

I hope this ends soon and be able to reach an agreement satisfactory to both parties. Although I also believe that may not be possible until they listen to my arguments and I continue to make personal attacks as vandal or troll calling in editing abstracts which also unjustified. On Spanish Wikipedia would be reportable but my intention is not is to create tension if the issue is resolved fairly. regards.--Miguillen (talk) 11:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review for SuperKombat
An editor has asked for a deletion review of SuperKombat. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. BusterD (talk) 22:57, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Request change for this page
Can you change the notification on the bottom and move it to the top? Have it say this: This is the original and authentic string. Any other string in the user space that does not match must be disregarded. In order to impose any change on this page whatsoever, the original string to the hash must be presented to the administrator that is to change the page. Under no circumstance shall this notice be removed, not even per request. Also, please place this in a yellow notice box. —c y b e r p o w e r ( Talk to Me  ) ( Contributions  )    13:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I moved the string to a separate page and transcluded it, so yo can alter the message yourself but the code is still protected. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but the message isn't supposed to be removed at all. If my account were ever compromised, I don't want the compromiser to be able to alter it. —c y b e r p o w e r  ( Talk to Me  ) ( Contributions  )    14:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Well in that case "must" and "under no circumstances" are probably not the terms you want to be using, given that you're relying on the good will of an admin to make any changes. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   14:25, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is that and what do you recommend to convey the same message? The message in the notice box is not be removed at any time for it provides administrators instructions on what to do when a request to change my identity hash is placed with admin.  If my account is compromised, the compromiser may want to likely try to get an admin to remove and the try to unprotect it and change my identity hash.  That's the reason why it's fully protected and has the message I want up there. —c y b e r p o w e r  ( Talk to Me  ) ( Contributions  )    19:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * This isn't working out. This is introducing a security flaw that I do not wish to be present.  I would like to first finish my instruction template and then I would like to request that the hash be relocated back onto the original page with the instruction template on the top.  This template will provide administrators instructions on how to proceed when editing my hash or trying to recover my compromised account. —c y b e r p o w e r  ( Talk to Me  ) ( Contributions  )    21:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What you don't realise is that admins are editors who have years of experience, and bossing them about (instead of asking them nicely) is unlikely to help. There really is no need for the instructions to be fully protected, and if you're going to be modifying them every few days, then it's better that they're not. On another note, your signature takes up five lines in the edit screen (on my laptop with a fairly wide screen). That's far too long, and much longer than you could enter in the box in your preferences—are you substituting a template? Because that's forbidden by WP:SIG. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   21:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a way of bossing around. I respect admins a lot for their experience.  I wish to become an admin myself when the time comes.  I am giving instruction on three criteria.
 * Criteria 1: Requesting the notice or instructions be removed without providing string to the hash will advise the administrator to block the account for potential compromise of the account.
 * Criteria 2: Requesting the hash to be changed will advise the administrator to request the string to the hash to verify it is actually me that is wanting to change it. Failure to do so may suggest compromised account and will warn the administrator to block the account.
 * Criteria 3: Restoring the account to me if someone else manages to hijack my account. It gives detailed instructions how to do it quick and easy.
 * My signature is substituted from a template. According to WP:Sig, it is not forbidden.  Transcluding the template is which is what I am not doing.  I substitute from a template for the purpose of layout.  My user talk page has my signature as well and to be able to change it quickly and painlessly is essential for me.  I do realize however that it is waaaay toooooo loooong.  Do you have an alternate code that gets the same results, because I haven't been able to come up with one so far. —c y b e r p o w e r  ( Talk to Me  ) ( Contributions  )    22:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently it's not prohibited, but the only reason I can see for doing it is to bypass the 255 character limit. There is no way, to the best of my knowledge, to have letters alternating colours within the 255 character limit unless you change your username to something considerably shorter. As to the main point, admins already know all that—you didn't just dream it up, but if you must have instructions, keep them concise and ask, don't demand. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I took your advice on that and changed must to are encouraged to. As for my signature, I guess I will have to find another Christmas style signature. My intention is certainly not to violate other rules.  I try to keep my signatures short and under the limit.  My intent on substituting is for practicality and convenience purposes and not bypass regulation purposes. —c y b e r p o w e r  ( Talk to Me  ) ( Contributions  )    00:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review for KLone (web server)
Hi,

could you review deletion of article KLone (web server) ?

This webserver is cited in Linux-magazine and others sources and is open source software :

WebDevelopersNotes Gnutoolbox ...

Greetings.

--JL1978 (talk) 15:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Since it was a PROD, the article can be restored upon request. I'll take this as such a request, and I've restored it. I would suggest you add those sources at your earliest convenience so that the article isn't deleted through a more formal, binding process. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

RPP for American Idol
Greetings ... it does indeed seem like things are now on the talk page instead of in the article itself. Both parties I warned are now discussing things and the one at 3RR has at least acknowledged his actions and apologized. Things aren't completely civil at this point, but it's far from a flame war, too. So, in that regard, the warnings had the desired effect of ending the disruption. Thanks for looking at this! -- McDoob AU  93  19:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping the warning you left has had the desired effect, because blocking the users involved or protecting a highly visible article is very much a decision as to which is the lesser of the two evils. I'm hoping the incivility will die down as tempers cool and they can be left to work out their differences without any need for admin intervention, but I'll keep any eye out just in case (feel free to ping me if things escalate). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I left some polite messages on the talk page for one of the users who was getting a little carried away with the rhetoric (nothing truly rude, but still pushing the civility envelope), and they replied with an apology. So I think things are improving; there's been a grand total of one edit to the article since the warnings went up, and that was a change to a infobox field per a discussion on the template itself, not regarding Idol. -- McDoob  AU  93  20:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes...
... when I see block logs like this or this, I wonder whether it could be that it is just the school headmaster who is playing the vandal, with the intent of getting the entire school blocked for as long as possible, merely to prevent the kids population from abusing Wikipedia as a distraction tool. Very effective indeed. If I were a headmaster, I admit, I might be tempted ;-) - DVdm (talk) 22:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thoughts like that have crossed my mind. I've seen vandalism resume from school IPs the day the block expired, despite the fact that the block was longer than any pupil would ever spend at one school! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Ian Streeter
Do you think it is time to consider disabling talk page access for this editor? I would not do that if it seemed that the unblock discussion was making net forward progress, but it's just going in circles. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 00:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for protecting Jerry Sandusky, it was getting way out of hand with the Penn State sex abuse scandal and such. --   Luke      (Talk)   00:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Undeletion request for Deolinda Fonseca
Per your request, I have updated the entry for Deolinda Fonseca under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aadelse/Deolinda_Fonseca

Can you please review and if acceptable please reinstate it as a Wikipedia entry? Thank you Aadelse (talk) 04:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Minor Update Request (Typo) - Cloud Computing
Hello HJ Mitchell, please update (or enable me to update) article: Cloud Computing, specifically under section 3.4 Infrastructure
 * Link contains typo, update the s to a z.

See Existing WMUL: typically a platform virtualisation environment – as a service ....... Update Request: typically a platform virtualization environment – as a service .......

Kind regards, Watkinst (talk) 16:12, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Otium
See User talk:Panyd. Can you take care of this. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 16:56, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

The Chimes, Uxbridge DYK nomination
I appreciate this is quite forward but would you mind reviewing Template:Did you know nominations/The Chimes, Uxbridge, which the original reviewer seems to have left? I don't want to chase them up so if you could have a look that would be great. The trouble is that I based some of the content on a section I had already written in the Uxbridge article which has now be rewritten and altered. I have offered to remove the facts to allow the article to be considered for the nomination but have not received a response. If it's breaking the rules then I'll quite happily withdraw the nomination. Harrison49 (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

HJ - You've Got Mail!
--5 albert square (talk) 00:26, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

redraft of Deolinda Fonseca now at User:Aadelse/Deolinda_Fonseca
Re this discussion a couple of weeks ago:

"Well the AfD was open for over two weeks (twice as long as normal), so you had plenty of time to improve the article. All I can suggest now is that you draft a new version of the article on a subpage of your userpage, perhaps User:Aadelse/Deolinda Fonseca and ask me or another administrator to move it to mainspace when it's ready. I can restore the deleted article to that apge if you'd like. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)"

I have drafted a new version at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aadelse/Deolinda_Fonseca

It's ready now to be moved to mainspace if it passes muster. Thank you! Aadelse (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

HOLLYWOULD...
I was wondering if you could send me a copy of this page. I didn't realize that I could not see what I wrote if it was deleted by someone else and I need this for a school project. you can either send it to me on here or my email is I do need this rather speedily. Thanks in advance. Mjohn127 (talk) 22:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:28, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: block
My apologies. I did not notice that that was a school (maybe because the internet is wonky where I am now). Thanks for correcting it. Thingg &#8853;&#8855; 17:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

IP Vandal
Hi there,

I was curious about this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrator_intervention_against_vandalism&action=historysubmit&diff=464238450&oldid=464238347

It seems the page was cleared (apologies if I'm not using the proper terminology) without my not being dispositioned one way or another. I'm not terribly familiar with the process as this is my first time chasing down a vandal... just curious. --Williamsburgland (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The vandal you were reporting had only made two edits in the last month, neither of which was unambiguous vandalism (the last unambiguous vandalism from that IP being at the start of November). Therefore they were not going to be blocked and the report was removed from the page. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, thank you. --Williamsburgland (talk) 19:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   20:18, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

729elasagna
Check out ; someone reported this to AIV. Think there's a relation? I'll let you make the call unless someone else on AIV pulls the trigger first. causa sui (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * On the edits themselves, it's a tricky one, but the username in conjunction with the edits makes me pretty certain there's a connection. I've indef'd them. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?

Commons help
Hey, please tell me the bot is being slow and I haven't screwed the upload up -. - JuneGloom    Talk  23:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Something seems to have gone wrong there, but I'm buggered if I know what. I'm old school, so I upload images from Flickr manually. :S HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I may have broken the bot as it hasn't worked since I used it. :S I don't know how I broke it though, everything seemed fine when I filled out all the info. - JuneGloom    Talk  00:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can suggest is to upload it manually and let the bot's owner know. How on Earth did you manage that? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've asked for help at the village pump, since the bot's owner isn't around. I have no idea, everything was going swimmingly! - JuneGloom    Talk  00:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)