User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 68

Provide justification for
This comment please. I have made exactly one complaint at ANI which I withdrew as a show of good faith in causing no more drama. I made one request for clarification. Explain how this is Every few days one of this pair is dragging the other to a noticeboard for violating some rule or restriction even remotely accurate? Look in the ANI archives to see who is the diva, it is not I. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:06, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Catch 22
Hi Harry,

I noticed you added a "use this page with Monobook" link to your userpage. Unfortunately, in the default Vector, it is covered up by all of the top icons for DYK, Featured, Good Articles, etc. So, while you provide a link to an accessible version, the link can't be clicked! Acps110 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I recall pointing this out to you a while ago too. Those icons are a disruption for navigational links as well.— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 521,583,842 ) 18:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Per this edit, the link is now far enough down the page to be out from under the other content. Thanks! Acps110 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That was easy enough. Thanks for letting me know it works now! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  19:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For viewing differences it's still disruptive but, whatever. It's not like I view differences on that page everyday.— cyberpower  ( Chat )( WP Edits: 521,587,554 ) 19:16, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

You are being discussed at . ..
Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship.  MBisanz  talk 22:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Topic banned user possibly editing while logged out
AndresHerutJaim was blocked then topic banned recently (see User_talk:AndresHerutJaim). I believe they are editing in the topic area while logged out as 201.231.95.47. Both are based in Argentina (see User:AndresHerutJaim and ). They have edited 27 matching articles, see here. What should happen now, AE report, SPI, talk to the user, something else ?  Sean.hoyland  - talk 12:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

...I should add that this came to my attention because I noticed that the IP misrepresented a source here.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 12:32, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That looks very likely. I've hard-blocked the IP and extended the user's existing block. Thanks for letting me know (and do let me know if you spot him evading his block again). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  13:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, will do. Thanks.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 13:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Appreciation for timely response
Hi HJ! Just a quick note to convey my appreciation for your response to the behavior of the new account So so glos. Also, I agree with something EdJohnston wrote a while back, that admins would do well to consider responding more often to AE requests with non-ARBPIA administrative actions, and I think your choice to do so in this case was especially apt. ( I say so because I'd actually thought of posting to the edit warring notice board or AN/I instead of AE, but wasn't sure whether admins there would pay attention to the other relevant issues. ) Thanks again for your timely response, and for the generous contribution you make to the project overall. Best regards, –  OhioStandard  (talk) 13:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I guess AE is probably the best place to find admins who are familiar with the issues, though ANI might have worked just as well in a straightforward case like that. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  20:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

de Facto
Thanks. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:52, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll second that. Toddst1 (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, gents. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  20:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Lasvegasflash ban
Just a few comments on this action. First let's say I have been in this guy's boots. Admins start revertinng your edits with no explanation and no explanation of who they are or their capabilities. After participating in other forums and various social activities around the Internet one learns to just ignore this as crap and trolls wanting to exert their ego trips on you. You removed the history of the warning revision summary on his talk page but after reviewing the talk page revisions, I think I understand what may have happened. I sympathise for the guy as I have been there myself and with one of the same personalities involved, too. I would guess he (LasVegasflash) thought he was doing a good thing for wikipedia and did not understand why his links were considered spam and everybody else's were good. Then enter a few editors with histories of kicking people, not summary commenting with any details, and then he, either becomes defiant, or just ignores the "trolls" harrassing him. Sound familiar from other kicked editors?

Admins need to identify themselves!!! Templates are too mean spirited when no user friendly comments are added to them!

My feeling is the permanent ban was too harsh. Review his edits. He has contributed a fair bit of information and time. This demonstrates caring from the guy. He just seems ignorant and needs a lesson from somebody. This won't be the first time I have been harrassed or banned from attempted compassion....LOL. Your call. I am a newbie. Best of luck. 99.251.114.120 (talk) 21:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Request for clarification
I didn't mention you or anyone, but since you are monitoring the Jesus/Palestinian mess, you might be interested in the answer we get here. :) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 10:54, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

So so glos
So so glos socks are at the Josephs Tomb article, can you please lock the article? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cas! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  16:41, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was musing whether it was appropriate to checkuser the So Glos account and IPs given the editing history to see if it were another established user evading a ban, but am not hugely fussed either way. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I would bet good money that it is, but if that's the way they're going to edit, we don't need to go looking for reasons to block them! HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Clarification
Just following up on tbe NYYankees51 situation. As I understand it he can return to editing within the limitations imposed at WP:RESTRICT and WP:AE. Note that a ban of political topics was suggested but did not have consensus. A site ban was proposed and it also did not have consensus. You informed him here that you would defer to community consensus. Since he is already unblocked I do not believe any further action on your part is indicated. Thanks, – Lionel (talk) 23:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The indefinite block was lifted to allow him to participate in the discussion at AN only. That condition still applies only the AN thread is over. I didn't see a need to physically re-instate the block, but it applies until he has successfully negotiated terms for it lifted, either with me or with the community. I'm currently in discussion with him, and I owe him a reply. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I'm missing something. He was blocked for being disruptive at LGBT articles. The community discussed the disruption at AN and decided to topic ban him from LGBT. Aren't any "terms" you negotiate subordinate to the community consensus to topic ban? By your own interpretation, the community decision served to "take it out of my hands." I'm confused. – Lionel (talk) 12:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No; he was originally blocked indefinitely in late 2009, and I unblocked him in early 2011, subject to an agreement between the two of us. As a result of his disruption (after it spilt over from abortion to LGBT), I rescinded that agreement and re-blocked him. The community decision to topic ban him from LGBT came later, and supplements rather than overrides my action, and will remain in place even after the indefinite bock is lifted. The community ban proposal, which was also being discussed at AN at the time (as a result of my action), would have taken things out of my hands, because then he would be unable to edit anywhere until the community rescinded its ban. As it is, once I rescind my block, he can edit anywhere but abortion and LGBT articles (and any areas he agrees not to edit in our unblock agreement). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And you were courageous and magnanimous in unblocking NYY after a rather nasty socking episode. The agreement was "simple" as you put it: "edit from this account and only this account, declare any undisclosed socks and consent to being checkusered regularly." NYY was informed that he would be indeffed specifically for "further socking." To me it seems that indeffing NYY for disruption at LGBT articles exceeds the scope of the original agreement. Furthermore the discussion at AN was exhaustive and comprehensive. It covered topics besides LGBT, i.e. political articles, conservative articles and religious articles. Editors speculated that a topic ban would not work and that NYY would resume disrupting in a new area. In spite of these reservations there was no support for broadening the topic ban, nor for additional sanctions. And you were active in that discussion. With all due if you were contemplating additional sanctions I think you should've raised them at AN so that the community could've discussed them, instead of relegating them to emails with a block hanging over his head. It is true that the community found that NYY was disruptive. However he is still entitled to the benefit of due process. Since the original agreement related to socking, and the community discussed the recent disruption thoroughly, a discussion in which you participated, it seems unfair to impose additional sanctions and perhaps even sanctions which the community discussed and rejected. – Lionel (talk) 00:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No consensus was found to overturn my block (which was made long before the discussion concluded), and the only reason he isn't physically blocked is because he was unblocked solely to participate in the AN thread and I see no need to lengthen his block log on procedural grounds. He is as entitle to due process as any blocked editor, and that's what he's getting—blocked editors can appeal to the blocking administrator (publicly or privately, and the choice to communicate by email was his), to the community, or to ArbCom. I'm softer than the community and ArbCom, so he's probably better off with me, but the other avenues are open to him. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the community found that he was disruptive in LGBT articles and supported the block. And personally I think your handling of the situation has been examplary. However the community considered his behavior in its entirety and decided the appropriate sanction was to ban him from LGBT: no more, no less . But for your invoking the original agreement he would've been unblocked at the conclusion of that discussion, This is the bottom line: (1) he was not socking so there is nothing actionable arising from the agreement. (2) The community discussed his behavior and came to consensus. (3) And I'm going to be blunt here: your unilaterally extracting sanctions over and beyond the will of the community on the face of it seems to be an abuse of authority. I strongly recommend that you lift your restrictions and if you truly feel that the community erred in its deliberations that you start a thread at AN. – Lionel (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree. If he hadn't been unblocked to make his case at AN, he would still be blocked. Until he negotiates terms for his returns with me, with any other passing admin, with the community, or with ArbCom. All of those options are still open to him, and he's free to take advantage of one of the other three if he thinks I'm giving him a raw deal. Now, I'm a reasonable guy, and I'm happy to discuss this with you reasonably (as I think you will agree I have done so far, even if you disagree with me), but accusing me of abusing my authority is not a productive line of discussion—I don't have any authority. I have a duty to act to prevent disruption of the encyclopaedia, and to enact the will of the community, which is what I have done. That the community decided against a site ban and, separately, in favour of a topic ban, is not the same as finding in favour of rescinding the indefinite block that was imposed during the same discussion and met with no substnatial opposition. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  01:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

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Mass rollback
Hey HJ, can you help me get the functionality for a mass rollback? I borrowed a line from someone's monobook, importScript('User:John254/mass rollback.js'), but can't see how that added anything. Your speedy help is appreciated. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Where did you add it to? That is what .js page did you put it in?— cyberpower  Confer Online  15:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See this--monobook which is where Youreallycan had it. I also have a twinkleoptions.js, apparently--every time I do something my screen tells me it cannot parse it. Geeky help is very welcome here, obviously. (Yes, I did clear my cache, and close Firefox...) Drmies (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Drmies, I have the script loaded and use it occasionally. It should give you a "rollback all" tab at the top of the page when you open an editor's contributions. If there is something urgent pending I can help until you get the script sorted. -- Jezebel's  Ponyo bons mots 15:08, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is your skin set to Monobook? You are missing a semicolon  at the end of the importScript command.  JavaScript is super sensitive and errors like that can cause it to work incorrectly.— cyberpower  Talk Online  15:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Cyberpower, I don't know what you mean with that question. ;) I did just perform an "entire" clean of my cache (that took about ten minutes) and will try again. --- No, no tab, Ponyo. Cyberpower, will you go in and make all the necessary changes? I would really appreciate that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed the syntax errors in your monobook script. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, still no tab. Thanks everyone for the help so far--if you can get me this mass rollback I'd be even happier, but at least I don't have this stupid note about parsing anymore. Ponyo, I'll email you. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Try, purge your cache, go to Special:Contributions. A menu containing, or the link itself called "rollback all" should be there. I can't do it myself because I'm no admin and cannot edit other than my own .js files. I would need to log into your account to do it for you.— cyberpower Gab Offline  16:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Drmies, adding it to your monobook.js only works if you use Monobook (ie, when the Foundation forced Vector on us as the default skin back in 2010 I think, you didn't recoil in horror and witch back to a skin that works). Special:MyPage/skin.js will take you to the .js page for your skin (probably Vector). Add the code there if that isn't the page you've already added it to. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest that you were probably using Vector now ... unless you specifically reverted back to monobook ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 11:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Thresher &
BePoWiki has asked for a deletion review of Thresher &. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 15:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

ROC -> Taiwan move request
Hello! I think it's about time the discussion at Talk:Republic of China wrapped up (see request for closure here). One admin has already volunteered to be part of a "triumvirate"; and you previously indicated you might be willing to help out? Given the somewhat overwhelming size of the task, it's understandable if you'd rather not; but perhaps you could recommend other brave admins that might be willing? Preferably ones that enjoy wading through sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry, and canvassing (if such an admin exists..)? Many thanks! :-) Mlm42 (talk) 18:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want me, I'll do it, but I previously closed a related discussion with recommendations for progression, so I don't come at it completely fresh (which is why I haven't previously volunteered). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:06, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Lahore IP disrupting Statistics, Statistician (probably mathematician and mathematics) again
Hi HJ!

I left this message on User:HelloAnnyong's page:

"Page protections are needed again.

The IPs and a new user have revived the automaton-like editing of Statistics and Statistician.

Thanks, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 20:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)"

Thanks for your past help! Kiefer .Wolfowitz 20:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi HJ.

I think the deletion of the webpage for JT Ellison was a mistake. I went in to update it and it appears that you deleted page.

Thanks
 * It looks like Tim has got to the first two, and the other two don't seem to be attracting much vandalism, but by all means ping me again if things get worse. I'm on a sort of semi-wikibreak for a few days, but I'm still poking my head round door and I have some excellent talk page stalkers. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:09, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Archive
Since MiszaBot III has been down for a while, I am offering to set up ClueBot III for editors I come across. I will of course configure Cluebot to archive exactly like MiszaBot. Are you interested?— cyberpower Speak Online  00:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The MiszaBots aren't down, they just operate less regularly while the server is down. It archived this very page yesterday. :) Amalthea  11:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What Amalthea said. I appreciate the offer, though, and I might take you up on it, Cybepower, if the MiszaBots' server stays down for the longer term. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * According to this nightshade is still down and it doesn't seem to want to get fixed very soon. Just let me know if you change your mind.— cyberpower  Verbalize Online  13:14, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Request
Hey HJ. I have moved a sandbox into the mainspace. My first attempt went wrong because I forgot to change the preset from User to Article. Please could you delete User:Nancy Wesley. :/ Rain  the 1  01:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ by . JohnCD (talk) 11:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, John. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thank you. ;) Rain  the 1  15:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Fast Track Sites Trouble Ticket System
Hello, you deleted this page for the reason "Non-notable product". We have a few other pages for products from our company and I want to verify what would make them non-notable and how we can avoid any more deletions and meet the necessary requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spyke01 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 19 March 2012‎
 * You might like to look at Notability (organizations and companies). That may be able to give you some helpful pointers.--5 albert square (talk) 22:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

2010 Austin plane crash
I nominated it for deletion again: Articles for deletion/2010 Austin suicide attack (you did it 2 years ago). --Ysangkok (talk) 22:57, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hey HJ
Hi :) Sent you an email. Do check it whenever you find time. Best. Wifione  Message 08:49, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Sandhu semi-p
You put Sandhu under a short period of semi-protection on 4 March. The crap continues, despite me trying to point out some of the issues at Talk:Sandhu. Is it possible to semi again, in the (probably vain) hope that the IPs might actually take a look at the talk page? - Sitush (talk) 13:13, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Geolsoc
Unblocked as the simplest first move. Is renaming the account, which would be a good idea, quick and easy these days? I have no recent experience. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh! On what planet was a spam block necessary in the first place? Sill, renaming is relatively simple as long as the desired username isn't in use (see WP:CHU). Trouble is, policy says one account, one person—we don't allow role accounts. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  20:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Geonotice formatting
Village pump (technical) notes a possible rendering problem with a geonotice item you have been editing recently. DMacks (talk) 19:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh! That geonotice is a pain in the arse. I've removed all the markup. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  20:38, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Need Some Help
Hey HJ, how's things? Good I hope. Need some help with 74.60.24.250‎ who continues to readd a large swath of original research to the WRIR-LP page. I have posted to the anon's talk page with no response. We are both at 3RR (I have issued a warning to him) so I can't revert any further, so I thought an admin talking to him would help. Take Care.... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 21:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You seemed to be offline, so I had Floquenbeam‎ take care of it. No worries though. :)  Take Care... Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 03:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

self-blocking?
Good afternoon, What are your criteria for self-requested blocking? I would like to request that you please block me temporarily (let's say from now until April 7, which is about 17 days) from editing from work, regardless of whether logged in or not (that is, "blocking edits by logged-in users" enabled, or "Block anonymous users only" disabled), but with autoblock disabled (so if I decide to login from here, I won't be blocked at home). Please note this is a shared IP address but, to the best of my knowledge, I'm the only employee here that edits Wikipedia prolifically (if at all). Thank you, 68.55.112.31 (talk) 22:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Is it just me
- see contribs


 * 22 March 2012


 * (User creation log); 21:55 . . Tom TheNumbersmith (talk | contribs) created a user account ‎
 * (User creation log); 22:01 . . Tom TheNumbersmith (talk | contribs) created a user account TomAllenProductions (talk | contribs) ‎

Is it just me who finds that a little odd? --Famously Sharp (talk) 02:59, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is odd, not least because that's not something I would expect an editor with six minutes' tenure to know how to do, but that's not to say there isn't a reasonable explanation. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, the MediaWiki software logs that account x created account y if you go to the signup page (Special:UserLogin/signup) while logged in. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:11, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I know. I'm wondering how a brand new editor would find that page without clicking "Log in/create account" (which would only display while logged out). HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  15:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Voting mechanism for Requests for comment/Abortion article titles
Hello. Over at Requests for comment/Abortion article titles, we have been trying to figure out exactly how the vote that ArbCom called for should be carried out, in particular in a proposal to use Borda Count for the purpose. Upon requesting clarification from ArbCom in the matter, it was suggested that the closing admins be asked for their input, since after all it's you who'll have to read the results. So, if you would be kind as to, at your convenience, provide your input into the current voting format proposal, or suggest other measures, it would be a great help. Thanks! —chaos5023 (talk) 23:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXII, March 2012
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Block
I don't suppose you (or one of your talk page stalkers) could block 86.40.64.30? It's an IP sock of the indefinitely blocked User:Brianwazere, which he acknowledges at Talk:Jill Marsden (EastEnders). - JuneGloom    Talk  19:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked. Dreadstar ☥   20:16, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Dreadstar! I see he returned under another IP, so I suspect he'll be back again later. - JuneGloom    Talk  20:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Help with prose
Hello there,

I spotted your name in the list of editors willing to do copyediting. Bloody Thursday (2011) is not a biography, but it has a prose that needs fixing. Thanks in advance  Mohamed CJ  (talk) 09:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

AndresHerutJaim
Could you have a word with AndresHerutJaim when you get a chance please ? They seem to have forgotten that a topic ban started after their block ended. See User_talk:AndresHerutJaim and their contributions today. Thanks.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 14:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Topic ban
I'll be very careful to avoid an edit war, but practically all my editions are Israel-related (even Mohammed Deif is somehow related to the Arab-Israeli conflict), because I'm very interested about this issue. It means I can't edit in Wikipedia for three months? I just want to contribute to this encyclopedia, it's not my intention to upset anybody. Thanks for your explanation.--AndresHerutJaim (talk) 16:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My interpretation is that you can't edit any article that somebody could reasonably say is related to the conflict, so editing an article about Israel, for example, that doesn't relate to the conflict should be okay, but editing articles related to Hamas—given that organisation's role in the conflict—would certainly fall within the scope of the topic ban. That said, it's not my interpretation that matters. You would need to ask User:The Blade of the Northern Lights. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  16:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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Block of 212.219.0.0/16
I work for Janet CSIRT, the security/abuse team for the UK's academic network. You appear to have blocked as a result of abusive edits from this range (which are almost certainly against our AUP). This range provides access to a large portion of the UK's academic community. Previously we have had good relationships with Wikipedia and when problems have escalated to this point someone has contacted us so that we can take up these issues with our customers and get them stopped at source rather than preventing the majority of users from editing Wikipedia.

Please could you reconsider this block and report specific issues to us at irt@csirt.ja.net so that we can prevent this abuse of Wikipedia. Jamesd (talk) 09:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

misleading
Hi HJ_Mitchell, Sorry to bring an old convo up but I do find this a little uncivil []. Allow me to explain, I have come across Domer recently and traced some of his/her wild comments here. I do believe it to be uncivil to misrepresent a discussion. Domer here [] seems to think that there was a consensus to remove a long standing edit, leaving many other users bemused. And despite there being no consensus and the discussion ongoing an edit was forced through by Domer and Bjmullan here []. Although it is probably too late to take any action, I just want to show you my findings as Domers argument on behalf of Bjmullan seems rather skewed.Hackneyhound (talk) 12:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi HJ, not sure if you wish to deal with this yourself or whether I should bring it to the WP:ANI, but I believe Domer48 is in breach of his probation. Here  which I believe falls under The Troubles sanctions. Under probation, Domer is only allowed to make 1 edit per page per week but under WP:Adam_Carroll, he has made 4 edits in 2 weeks regarding the persons nationality. This is surely in breach of their probation outlined here Hackneyhound (talk) 15:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Clearly a case of Boomerang! You are being very misleading (disruptive), and insulting the intelligence of Admins is not very smart! The last frivolous complaint against me did not work out too well for the filing editor. Two SPA accounts on an article with a history of sock abuse, and which HJ is aware off and Alison just after blocking another sock today I'd suggest you stop now with your frivolous comments.--  Domer48  'fenian'  19:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A note of concern. One SPA account makes a report at ANI and the other makes a complaint here? The editor says "Domer here [] seems to think that there was a consensus to remove a long standing edit, leaving many other users bemused." However on the talk page I said no such thing as all my talk page edits illustrate. So absolutely no such comment and no bemused editors. The editor goes on to say "my findings as Domers argument on behalf of Bjmullan seems rather skewed." Now the only comment I've made is this one, which is supported by Elen of the Roads and confirmed by Alisons block today. Since this is clearly in no way an argument on behalf of BJ the claim that it is skewed, can only be described as blatantly misleading in light of the previous blatantly misleading comment and the frivolous claim that I violated the 1RR restriction.

Having not edited the article since 19 February 2012, and given up on the talk page after 1 March 2012 I see this as an attempt at gaming. With one SPA coming to the defense of a sock abusing editor who has once again been blocked by Alison and the other coming here. A close look at this article is required.

Socks from 3 November 2010‎ up to 21 February 2012‎.
 * 1) Factocop see here for their socks and IP's also included below. Also active socks on theis article AttackZackAfterlife10
 * 2) 212.242.202.41
 * 3) VirtualRevolution???
 * 4) 147.114.44.208
 * 5) Homebirdni
 * 6) 212.183.128.33
 * 7) Afterlife10
 * 8) 212.183.128.41
 * 9) 217.33.147.195
 * 10) 86.153.139.153???

In this time the article has be protected twice because of sock abuse.
 * 1) by Malinaccier
 * 2) by HelloAnnyong

With the arrival of the two SPA at least the socking has apparently stopped, until Factocop popped up? This article has already bitten me on the arse, and BJ likewise, so one can hardly have confidence until it is addressed. -- Domer48  'fenian'  21:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If you did not contribute to the conversation as you claim, why did you feel the need to make reverts if you had no prior knowledge as here . Don't kid yourself.Hackneyhound (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I see that one of the SPA accounts has now been blocked as a result of a frivolous report. The editor above has now been placed on notice so I hope that is the end of it. Sorry HJ for filling your talk with this nonsense. Domer48  'fenian'  09:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry HJ, but Domer has broken his probation and is deliberately trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Domer, why should I be concerned with a probation if As you have shown, I can continue to edit freely? You have broken your probation and appear to have gotten away with it and you know it.Hackneyhound (talk) 10:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

GLAM at the Horniman Museum?
Hi Harry,

Since you and Rock drum are active in GLAM (I guess so, as you're organising the Coventry History Editathon), I wonder if you've come across the Horniman Museum...

I've written more about it on my talk page so that we can keep the thread together at one place. If you don't mind, could you please add your reply (if any) there?

Thanks, cm&#610;&#671;ee&#9742;&#9993; 17:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

ICT Group (Russia)
Hi Harry, One of my clients, ICT Group (Russia), had their article reverted by you on 9 December 2011. A large amount of referenced content was removed as a result. It would be really helpful if you could explain why the article was reverted and what I can do to work with you and the wider community to improve the article. Thanks Vjdigital (talk) 09:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Mitchell
I noticed that you were very reasonable and helpful in the edit wars and harassment of the article Stephanie Adams. It seems as if user:fasttimes68 is still blanking and removing pages that mention Ms. Adams by way of Stephanie, July 24, list of astrologers, playboy playmate, Fairleigh Dickinson University, etc. If you look at his "contributions" the past few days, he has gone on a tirade again "against her", even though it's not exactly her, which is odd either way. Please have a look. Cheers! 173.56.121.17 (talk) 10:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, shouldn't the article about her be re-added or the mentioning of her in the playmate list be expanded? She had an entire page in the past. Was it deleted because of this editing person too? 173.56.121.17 (talk) 10:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Johnny Sandelson
When you have a moment could you review your deletion of the Johnny Sandelson article? Is it possible for the article to be revised and republished? I'm happy to help by providing content and references if required. Thanks for your help, Vjdigital (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

article (biography) - request for help
Hi, are you keen on looking at a biography about a scientist? I nominated the article for FA and fixed what I was able to but there are some copy edit issues that are beyond my scope. I will be happy also for any other suggestions what to do now. I am still fresh new to Wikipedia. Thanks! Galapah (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for persistent nudging to get me to come up to Coventry. It was really fun. Thank you for your company too.

The CAPTCHA silliness is here. —Tom Morris (talk) 19:41, 31 March 2012 (UTC) (at Rugby station)
 * Thanks for coming. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, and that was by far the funniest CAPTCH I've ever seen! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  21:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ford's Hospital, Coventry is getting close to DYKable. I'll probably submit a DYK tomorrow morning once I have transitioned back from zombie to human being. —Tom Morris (talk) 22:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

CfD
"In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it is done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus."

Therefore I'm notifying you of ongoing discussions at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 1, as I believe that you may be able to improve the quality of discussion on a topic in which you are interested. --RexxS (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Problematic IP
Hello. I was just going to report an IP account when I noteced that you had already blocked him recently. To remind you, it is about this guy: User talk:95.180.18.56. His contributions have been all but constructive, see: his contributions. He has been doing the same old edits he was blocked for, which go around removing referenced data, replacing it with unreferenced one, edit-warring to restore his edits, and no commnunication at all with no one. He has been warned several times by several users, and the most incredible is that absolutelly all of his edits in various different areas have been constatly rightfully reverted by more senior editors. Seems to me that he just doesn´t have more warnings and reports because people had no time and limted themselfs to revert him, but once he becomes an everyday pain in the ass it would be really good to do something about him.

Basically, his edits are:
 * Football: removing sourced numbers of spectators in stadiums and replacing them by an unsourced higher number.
 * Airlines and airports: same as in football. Removes sourced info and adds unsourced higher numbers of destinations, countries, etc.
 * Geography/Language: wrongly replaces a language template or link.
 * Handball: again, adding higher unsourced numbers for spectators capacity of stadiums diff...

It goes all around the same, numbers paranoia, he wants more, and more... And he does it everyday now. I doubt he speaks English as all his edits are pretty basic, and has never ever engaged in any dialogue despite many warnings and attempts. Editors from different areas have been reverting his edits on daily basis now, but this has become really disruptive as he follows absolute none policies. I was kind of thinking if coming to you, as you already took action once about him, or to ANI to ask someone else to help about him. FkpCascais (talk) 19:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have been busy undoing his edits recently aswell, and it's purely disruptive - no communication with anyone and doing the same changes over and over again. In the beginning I did not undo everything, because there were subject that I were not familiar with, but now I undo everything he does. My biggest fear is that we have missed one of his edits, and that some article about a Serbian stadium lists the wrong capacity. It is also worth to mention that his editing pattern the same as User talk:92.244.128.128 (contributions) and User talk:92.244.133.84 (contributions), which have also been blocked. Mentoz86 (talk) 22:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems that is solved now. FkpCascais (talk) 06:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

History merge
Hey HJ, hope your weekend is going well. Could you move User:JuneGloom07/Alex to Lord Alex Oakwell for me, please? - JuneGloom    Talk  23:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. :) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  14:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - JuneGloom    Talk  15:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Quick question, is Lord Alex Oakwell eligible for DYK? - JuneGloom    Talk  11:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Creation from a redirect still counts for DYK purposes, and it's well over the 1500 character minimum. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  15:16, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, great. I was kinda worried that it wouldn't be because it was a single line stub, then a redirect and now a fully sourced article. Didn't want to get caught out by a new rule I hadn't seen. - JuneGloom    Talk  18:19, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well even if it was still a one-line stub when your draft was moved to mainspace, it would have been fivefold expanded and so still eligible. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  18:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

AndresHerutJaim at AE
Hi, HJ. You'll probably remember that the two-week block extension you imposed on AndresHerutJaim for again violating a fixed-length ARBPIA topic ban ( 90 days, most recently ) by IP hopping expired on 26 March. He went right back to ignoring his tban, as if it didn't exist. Since it was your block he's just returned from, I thought you might appreciate knowing he's back at AE now for continuing tban violations. I see he's promised there not to edit Israel-related articles in exchange for avoiding another block. I'm not sure what I think best in such a case: I can't see why anyone should believe him now, since he's had so many chances to comply with tbans before and has always blown right past them, whether directly or by IP hopping. His history strongly implies to me that he'll just go back to IP hopping if his tban is extended or if he's blocked. But whatever all y'all decide, even if it's to accept his new promise, I'd just ask that it be formally recorded as an indef topic ban, at least, since if it's not recorded he'll no doubt come back to the topic area in short order with a variant of, "Oh, that was voluntary, and I've changed my mind", or some such continuing shenanigans. Many thanks, –  OhioStandard  (talk) 02:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not from the U.S.A.'s Deep South, nor anywhere even remotely near the region, actually, ( even by the nation's expansive geographical context for the word "near" ) but I sometimes find y'all and all y'all too much fun to avoid. The first is short for "you all", as I imagine you know, but did you also know it's often used as the second-person singular, ie as a local synonym for simply "you", especially to indicate formality or respect? It's my understanding that when one refers to or addresses an entire group of people, and thus means to include everyone in that group in the statement or question one is making, then the "proper" usage in the dialect is "all y'all", which I find pretty delightful. Cheers, –  OhioStandard  (talk) 02:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)"
 * In my native ideolect (and I am a bubba/cracker/redneck, born and bred), the use of "y'all" as a singular is the sign of somebody trying to imitate a true Southron dialect. "All y'all" (or "all a' y'all") is meant to clarify that the entirety of the addressed group, not merely a plural subset, is being referenced. (For example: "I think y'all Tories are enemies of the working class" could be interpreted as meaning "you gang of privileged Thatcherites in front of me, but not necessarily your impoverished dupes in the lower-middle-class suburbs"; but "I think all a' y'all Tories should sod off and die" clarifies the speaker's disdain for the whole of the Conservative and Unionist Party as a collective entity, and all the constituent members thereof.) -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  19:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC) Jim and Blondell's oldest boy, the one that moved Up North

ICT Group
Please see Talk:ICT Group (Russia) - something to do with this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ICT_Group_%28Russia%29&diff=465015039&oldid=458804936 - the reasons for the revert are not clear.Oranjblud (talk) 19:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I reverted it because large chunks of it were promotional or borderline promotional, and the vast majority of it was added by employees of a marketing/PR company. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  19:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Agenda?
Is there some sort of reason why user:fasttimes68 keeps removing information about Stephanie Adams everywhere she was added on Wikipedia? Why is he still on here and why wasn't he banned from editing this subject? July 24, Playboy Playmate, Wilhelmina Models, he even had someone else remove her in a list of women writers, just check his "contributions." The list goes on and he is trying to remove lots of other playmates from Wikipedia. LIJUAL (talk) 13:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * HJ, fyi, this "new" editor commented on my page as well, likely hoping I'll do an inclusionist zombie dance to help. I don't recall the whole story here, I know there are people unduly obsessed with Ms. Adams but have little recollection of who falls where.--Milowent • has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken  13:36, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * HJ, personally I'm not on either side as far as the overall debate, but I've become involved in the attempt to slow down whoever is abusing these puppets. I've proposed a community ban for, the user who we're currently handling the SPI cases under. I'm guessing there's probably an older master out there somewhere. Calabe1992 14:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Page protection
Hi, last year this time you protected Good Friday and I think also Crucifixion of Jesus. I have done a few reverts today, as have other users, and it will build to a peak tomorrow as usual. Could you please protect those for a few days again. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 04:55, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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