User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive V

Jaguar
Hi, where i come from, jaguars are referred to as 'the angry Mexican', this is information, what gives you the right to delete it huh? Internet warrior —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.113.153 (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Inglourious Basterds III
Evening HJ, how's the Peter Clarke article coming along? I just wanted to ask if you could take a look at the Inglourious article soon and give your feedback on its progress to GA status. It doesn't have to be tonight or even tomorrow, just when you're ready. It looks so much better now then when I started and having Mike help out has been great. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good evening! Not too bad. I couldn't believe he didn't have an article, though saying that, I created the one for his boss as well! I see you and 5asq have been having some trouble with vandals tonight! I'll take a look at Inglourious in a minute- I'm just trawling through Google atm looking for more material on Clarke. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   00:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Peter Clarke's article is looking good, that's some nice work there. 5asq and myself both stumbled upon a vandal adding edits to The Yes Men and shortly after they were blocked, all these other vandals appeared. 5asq and an admin had to have their talk pages protected. Like I said, there's no rush on Inglourious. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:38, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it just me or do you wish you had created certain articles yourself, because you know they wouldn't be left without refs and lacking info? I'm supposed to be taking a Wiki break and I've just come across an article that definitely needs improvement. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  13:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I know! The state some are in is ridiculous- I've been working on the Iraq Inquiry stuff and I've had to add references, categories, defaultsorts etc. The only one I came across that has no issues is Tim Cross (which I created)! HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   14:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought I'd look up Ben de Lisi and look what I discovered. Where are all the references? I'm going to work on it in my sandbox and improve it like I did with Giles Deacon. I'd love to get Giles up to GA status, but I think the article needs a bit more work before that happens. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:11, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Where did you spring from? I totally missed it when you edited the lead, thanks for helping out. :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  19:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I have ITN/C on my watchlist and saw the faff about the tag so I thought I'd knock something up. It looks much better now for all our efforts. Nice work bringing it up to scratch, though- it looked a lot better when I came to do the lead than it did when I looked earlier in the day. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   19:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey. I created this, Smokin' Hot, yesterday and I put a hidden note asking editors to keep the plot concise. I've just had a look at it and is the plot concise? No! People don't need to watch the episode, they can just come to Wikipedia and read about every little detail instead. >_< - JuneGloom07    Talk?  14:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You'll just have to revert, keep it to a plot summary and point people to WP:PLOT and WP:WAF- the plot summary (as you've discovered with Inglourious) should just provide context and the article should be about the episode itself- why it's notable, what effect it had etc. I personally don't think we need an article on every episode of every TV series but apparently the consensus is against me! I've decided I need to spend more time in the mainspace and less in the project space (I'm becoming a bit of a meta-pedian it seems) so I'm taking on The Iraq Inquiry! That's a task and a half! Did you see the stats for Alexander McQueen? HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   15:39, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you think what I had there before was okay? At the moment I'm working on trying to trim the plot right down. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  16:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it looks a lot better now. I had a look at the history- it looks like someone else just removed your ref and added all that fancruft. *Grumbles abut fancruft...* HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   17:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thought I better put this here since it's relevant. Wizardman left a question for you at Talk:Inglourious Basterds/GA1 earlier today. I did answer him, but not sure if he saw it. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:40, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Quick question, how do you cite a video interview? I've found the Charlie Rose interview where Quentin mentions that he became 'precious about the page'. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Where is it? If it's online, oyu mioght be better off citing the web page. HJ Mitchell |  Penny for your thoughts?   15:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It is online, shall I just cite the web page then? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably easiest to do it that way- add a note in after the cite template but before the the tag to explain, ideally a giving an exact minute (if only to make it easier for a certain GA reviewer to check!). HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   20:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, don't know if I want to make your job easier. I think you should watch the whole interview. :P I'll go find the exact minute. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Not related, but an editor has removed the references I added to the peak positions of Paloma Faith's singles again. I added them to stop the constant number changing without a source, but was I wrong to add them? I don't want to revert the editor if I'm wrong. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Where abouts in the ref template should I put the exact minute Tarantino mentions the info in the article? (It's 10 minutes, 38 seconds in, btw). - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So much for the uni work, then? Haha! Right, for Paloma, I suggest you ask the editor why they removed the refs and point them to WP:CITE and WP:V if they're new to WP. For Inglourious, I suggest you put it after the end of the cite template but before the closing ref tag. Thanks for that- saves me having to watch ten minutes of video (not that I doubt your word, but I have to cover my arse!). Sorry for the late reply! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added it, not sure if it's in the right place though. The Paloma Faith editor isn't new, but I've noticed they don't seem to use edit summaries to explain their edits. I'll ask them why they removed the refs. I assume if Paloma releases more music then someone will create a discography article for her and we won't have to worry about it then. My Uni work is getting very neglected. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, as long as it's there and can be seen, it doesn't really matter (or, rather, I don't give a shit!). I was wondering about that- is it likely she'll release more in the near future? Lacks of edit summaries annoy me- I set my preferences to warn me when I hit save without one. What are you studying? HJ Mitchell |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Paloma releases her forth single on 15 March, and she announced on her Twitter that she will make a second album. I'm studying Art History or I'm supposed to be studying it. :P - JuneGloom07    Talk?  12:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. Would you take a look at the article for Paloma's new single that I've been working on? Upside Down Does it have enough references and info to be uploaded yet? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Boo! Have you finished playing with Brad Pitt? :P Would you patrol Upside Down for me? I've decided to upload it, since it has more refs and info than this forthcoming single. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh up! No, not yet- 100 edits (the 4th article on which I have a 3 figure edit count) and there's still something to do and then there's whatever comes up in the FAC! Sure, I'll hover on the new pages for a few minutes. Hmmm, Pixie Lott.... HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, the article will be Upside Down (Paloma Faith song). Is that a Hmmm, Pixie Lott is bad or Hmmm, Pixie Lott is hot? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:10, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it! Oh, definitely the latter. Btw, I missed your message above! I'd say go for it- there's enough there to stick in the mainspace. If you can find any info from the recognised music sites (places like allmusic.com etc) it wouldn't hurt but, for an upcoming single, it looks pretty good. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:19, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The article has more refs then her last single (4) and the number can only go up. I had to create a seperate Neighbours sandbox today, I've been working on something similar to List of EastEnders characters (2010). Hopefully I'll have that complete and uploaded during the week. Inglourious should also be done in the week too and then I should really look at my Uni work. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well hello!
How's things with you?

I had to get my talk page locked before. Reverted someones edit and they took offence to my reverting their vandalism and it got attacked by sock puppets and meat puppets! Meh.

Apart from that I've been adding references to Sam Callis and removing an image from the article that belonged to the page Callum Stone. Also been trying to work out how to de-orphan Dale Smith's article. Dunno why Wikipedia won't de-orphan it, it links to plenty of articles and has loads of links.

How're you keeping? --5 albert square (talk) 03:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, chronic lack of sleep! Not helpful that nothing seems to happen on WP at absurd times of the morning! Even the vandals go offline! I've been working on a few articles, particularly David Veness, Peter Clarke (police officer) and List of witnesses of The Iraq Inquiry (all my creations, funnily enough). I saw you on Alex Walkinshaw t'other day! I watched the whole vandal thing unfold from ye old watchlist but they were all reverted before I could stick my oar in. Hopefully they'll find something better to do now you've got your page protected! As for the orphan thingymabobby, have a look on "what links here" (on the left hand side a bit down from recent changes). An orphan is a page that has no (or minimal) links from other articles, so if it has plenty of links to it, you can just take the taggamabobby off! I don;t suppose you fancy taking a gander at Tim Cross for me? He's been sitting in the backlog at GAN for ages now.
 * How's life treating you anyway, idiotic vandals aside... HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   03:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha, it's been ok apart from a sore ankle caused by me going over on it when I ran for t'bus 3 weeks ago! And yeh the vandals did find something better to do, they started vandalising the page of an admin who promptly locked his page too.  I don't think they've done anything since then but my page is staying locked for 3 days.  If anonymous IPs want to ask something they'll have to email me meantime.  With Dale Smith, that's the thing, there's plenty of pages linking to it but for some reason, when I run him through AWB, it tells me that the article should be marked orphaned!  I don't understand lol --5 albert square (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Meh. You could always create a User talk:5 albert square/unprotected and watchlist it so you won't be interrupted by the orange bar. I'm not sure IPs have access to the WP email system. Are the pages that link to it actually articles (as opposed to dabs, redirects and pages outside mainspace)? HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   04:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeh I've checked his page and there do seem to be quite a few articles, articles like Callum Stone, Sam Callis, Alex Walkinshaw, Jo Masters, The Bill etc etc all link up to it --5 albert square (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Campaignbox Pakistan attacks 2001-2009
Template:Campaignbox Pakistan attacks 2001-2009 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Sottolacqua (talk) 00:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your RfA Participation
User: - Thanks for your participation in my recent successful RfA. Even though your position was neutral, your comments were constructive and welcome. As the community has expressed its trust and confidence in me, and as you are an equal part of that community, deFacto your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.--Mike Cline (talk) 10:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

GA Review for Saw VI?
Hey there. There's such a backlog on the GA reviews for Film, and I just added an article I have been working on for a few months, and I think it qualifies as a nominator for GA. I was wondering if you had some time, if you could look over it, the article isn't that long. It's Saw VI. I'm afraid not many people have interest of those films (on Wikipedia), that it may stay on the GA list for a long time, and this would be my first GA. Thanks. — Mike  Allen   22:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be your second if Inglourious Basterds passes it's GA review. :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  22:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * When. When Inglourious passes. I'll leave the review open 'til it does- so far every GA nom I've reviewed has passed. I had a look over Saw. I have to say I'm one of those people who isn't interested in the area, but since you asked nicely, I'll give you a review but it might be a little while before I can get round to it though it'll probably be quicker than waiting for someone else! HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   23:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Aw thanks June, but you know you get more credit, you actually re-wrote a lot of the article. I also helped Saw: The Video Game pass, but I meant to say is that this would be my first GA that I've written from scratch. It's been through many revisions. :)    Thanks HJ, I didn't mean today, or even this month, but I'm last on the GA list, and if they go in order, then it'll be months before it gets looked at.  — Mike   Allen   23:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Crazier (Taylor Swift song)/GA1
Looks like the guy fixed everything you had issues on. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed it does. Thank you for the note. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   23:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

GA
Um, hello again. This is really awkward for me, because of all the discussion above, but could you review George Lee (economist) as a GAN? Thanks (I like the editnotice), — Cargoking   talk  14:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, I don't mind. I'll add it to my to do list and get on it when I can. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   15:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're a star! — Cargoking   talk  15:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

ITN: 2010 Nigeria bus electrocution

 * Ooh, well done! - JuneGloom07    Talk?  01:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Much obliged, Tariq! And cheers June. Nice to have one I updated for a change! HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   01:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Just came to check if you got one of those as you put so much effort into it. Well done! -- can  dle &bull; wicke  01:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Nice to be appreciated. Certainly one way to pass a rainy Sunday afternoon. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   01:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * At least it's stopped raining down here. Now reported 11 dead from this incident [HERE "Daily Triumph" —[[Special:Contributions/220.101.28.25|220.101.28.25]] (talk) 02:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers! I've added it in and now it looks like it's a target for idiot vandals copy/pasting deletion templates. I wish they'd find something better to do >:( HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   03:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for David Veness

 * And another well done. I've just been to have a look at the article, good work. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just that good! ;-) HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   00:28, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't go getting a big head now. :P
 * Quick question. Is there a place to go to find free images for an article? I'd quite like to have a picture or two for the Giles Deacon article. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You can try Flickr but you have to be careful- you can only use images that are totally free or only require attribution. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   14:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I also found the Free Image Search Tool while I was having a look around earlier. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  22:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you have any joy finding an image? HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   23:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, not really. I think I'll just stick to improving the article for now and worry about adding images later. I've just been improving the Paloma Faith article, think I'll spend some time tomorrow working on it. So, what are you currently working on? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * A wise Wikipedian (whose name escapes me at present) once said something to the effect of 'one day, people will realise that if they release their images, they'll be seen by 10,000 people a day' but until then, we have to make do with what we have. I'm just knocking around atm looking at my watchlist. I'll try and get a good look at Inglourious and the two other GA reviews I've promised tomorrow or the day after. I had a look at Paloma Faith a while back- there's a potential GA there I reckon. Speaking of which, if you felt up to reviewing Tim Cross in the not-too-distant future, I'd really appreciate it! HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   01:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Whoever they are, they're very wise indeed. I've been working on Paloma Faith today, maybe both of us could get it up to GA status? I wouldn't know where to begin with a GA review, I would have to have a read up on what to look out for first. The article looks good to me, but what do I know? :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  20:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I dug it up. It was Happy-melon at Talk:Emma Watson. He said "One day a major agency will realise that their clients' articles get ten thousand hits a day, and will give us a portfolio of images to use for them, starting an avalanche of free media images. Until that day, we will have to make do with crap ones." Could be fun to do another GA- Lily Cole was easier than I thought. As for reviewing, it's not as hard as it looks. There's a tool to help you check references and I have WP:GA? open in another tab. There are a few essays around (I might write one someday) on how to do it. Thanks for your help on the avalanche! ;-) HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   22:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There are plenty of refs out there for Paloma now, so I reckon it would be one of the easier articles to bring up to GA status. I'm currently waiting for the right moment to upload the article about her new single, which isn't released till 15 March. I think the article might be deleted or re-directed if I upload it too soon. I saw your request for help with the avalanche article on ITN and thought I'd help out since I wasn't really doing anything. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * WP has plenty of articles on upcoming singles- as long as you have enough to prove it's notable, go ahead and create it. I just discovered that the current commander of British troops in Afghanistan doesn't have an article so Paloma Faith might have to join the back of Ye Olde to-do list. The commander of British forces in Afghanistan ffs! How much more notable can you get?!?! HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   01:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

My word
You've managed to make no edits on Wikipedia for nearly 24 hours. That must be some sort of record! :p --5 albert square (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow! I was asleep for about 15 of them but I'll make up for it today! Haha! HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   14:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

plane crash afd
Pay no mind to the bit about banning you, that was just for lulz. The Hero of This Nation (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I was just commenting when the AfD go speedily closed. FYI, my comments would have been KEEP As well as being a suicide / domestic terrorism, it was also a murder as another person was killed in the building. It's far too early to say whether or not the event will have a lasting impact. The event has received worldwide coverage including the UK, Netherlands and Australia. Mjroots (talk) 15:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree with the speedy closure, but I'm not going to do anything about it in the foreseeable future. As for the international coverage, I was aware of that, but it doesn't seem to be getting front page coverage outside the US- take the BBC as an example, the story has barely a mention on their "Americas" section (and nothing at all on the front page or "world" section). Or, to take the New York Times (probably the most reliable US news source imho), the story isn't on their front page and it's not leading their "US" section and it's quite a long way down the ABC News site. Thanks for stopping by, anyway. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   15:30, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

RE: Hi
Hey. It's absolutely no problem. =] I was about to write a message thanking you for understanding. I am currently working on the Florence and the Machine discography and I will certainly take into consideration your suggestions. Thank you very much for your help. Take care, Jonny (talk) 03:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome. I'm going to bed now, since it's 3AM, but I'll be back on at a slightly less ridiculous hour to do what I can! Best, HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   03:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

The Bill
The source for the ratings peak is the same source that was used before I made any changes. It specifically says ratings that peaked were compared to the ratings during 2002. I suspect the ratings were much higher in the 1980s and 1990s. Any idea where I can find a source for this? As for DVD and VHS releases, Amazon offer both videos and the Eddie Santini DVD but I assume Amazon isn't a source.--Darrelljon (talk) 12:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Chowbok/Wildhartlivie
Hello HJ Mitchell. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Chowbok/Wildhartlivie, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a BLP issue - take it to MFD if desired. Thank you. (talk→  BWilkins  ←track ) 15:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * G10 is not solely for BLP issues. That is a page that serves no purpose but to "disparage or threaten" its subjects and therefore meets the letter and the spirit of G10. Even if it didn't, if ever there were a time for an admin to invoke IAR... HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   15:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone is collecting evidence of sockpuppetry, including ones that have appear to have already been found - are they preparing an SPI filing? I'm personally willing to hold back for a short time to allow them to file an SPI if they're doing so. (talk→   BWilkins  ←track ) 15:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying, HJ Mitchell. In fact that page, if you read it, is not preparing to file a sock puppet case. The case has already been decided on the majority of that list, with clear evidence that it was not proven as I noted in my complaint about the page at WP:AN. It's nothing but speculation and allegations about editors in good standing with no proof or diffs to support his suspicions. Three of those names were disproven already at an WP:SPI case. Four of the names are of editors in good standing. But you know, go ahead and run a checkuser for Pinkadelica, Crohnie, Mosedschurte and Yachtsman1. They are not me and I am not them. That page also contains attack commentary like "Possibly relevant: the contents of User:Wildhartlivie/Viewpoints & Politics are all pretty straightforward lefty stuff, so you'd think there'd be a pro–gay rights or gay marriage box there. Nope." Judgment of my political beliefs and stances based on userboxes on my userpage and conclusions based on his POV from that. This page is not a case in progess, it exists solely as an attack. I find the reticence of some of the administrators here to deal with this disappointing and a huge let down. It does qualify under WP:CSD G10 and the editor clearly said he "would probably delete it in the near future" here, so how does that support he has any intention to use it. He's gone around to various talk pages all over this website posting content just like this, which I won't revert because he'll attack me for doing it and how interesting that no one will revert it or deal with the attack page either. Yeah, I was blocked last month for a week, but damn it, I did my block time and for some reason, I keep coming up against reluctance from administrators to deal with any issues that are raised by other editors against me. What? I'm scum now? Anyway, thanks for trying. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. As I said above, it meets G10 and if it didn't, it would be a time to invoke IAR. The only advice I can offer you is not to let it get to you. This editor is obviously not worth the time of day and we can only hope that #48 of WP:OWB is correct. Any sensible editor will judge you by your contributions rather than some baseless accusations If you want something done, I'd recommend and RFC/U or an MfD but both are more likely to fan the flames than extinguish them. Sorry I couldn't be more help. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   17:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that makes me feel better. I like the WP:OWB list and will read it more in depth. Lar also told him a bit ago to file it or delete it. So at least this is moving forward. I feel like a lot of this is designed to make me want to leave. He even said once that he can't wait for me to self-destruct and get banned. Not nice. I appreciate your support. BTW, he's the one that jumped to file the 3RR report the other night. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't know there was a 3RR report- I know I left you a note but I didn't want to see you accidentally break the 3RR. If he files it, just cooperate and he'll look like a prat, if not just ignore him and hopefully he'll get bored. You're always welcome to leave me a note here (or email me) if you want to vent. Other than that, just avoid giving out troll food and get back to the mainspace. HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   18:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I just happened to notice it after the fact. He removed it as premature. Thanks for being a solid ear. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 Austin plane crash
What's this AfD'ing this fine article (that I just happened to 'babysit' a bit reverting vandals)? :-o Actually if you have time, there is 69.14.26.116, who keeps adding silly links, like to 9/11 and Suicide Bombing. They've done it at least twice, I reverted once, they put em back, but I held off then because AFAIK I would have run into 3RR. All their edits (≈15) seem to have been 'poor' and mostly reverted HERE. I gave 69' an edit summary warning, and advised another editor who last reverted them CalmCalamity, but CalmCalamity seems to have gone off-line. nb This was about 2 hours ago now
 * Any idea of a 'bad link' template to use, or just uw-vandalism lvl-1? --220.101.28.25 (talk) 19:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You could use but it might just  be better to politely tell them to stop adding daft categories- you might recall we had similar problems with Ft Hood. As for the AfD, my nom said it all- we're not a news service and this is just an elaborate suicide. If you replace "IRS Building in Austin, Texas" with, for example, "HMRC building in Washington, Tyneside", the event would be about as notable as my arse (which, for the record, is totally non notable)! Y'know, if you create an account, you can get a tool which helps you revert edits and give the right warning to vandals in about 20 seconds. There are other benefits, but I see I'm not the first to suggest it. You could talk to one of these editors about taking your edits with you- they might be able to help.  HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   20:00, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, subst:welcomevandal was what I was looking for. The goose fortunately only rarely shows up, does a few silly things and dissapears, so in the end not much drama really. Though now a registered editor is doing something similar!! Yes, I may get a 'name' soon, you may not even recognise me! Thanks for help, I have given another editor active on that article a heads up on who is mucking about. Now I have to get the sleep I haven't had for well over 24 hrs, (and I usually tell you to get some rest)! Be good! 220.101.28.25 (talk) 20:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Matthew Maer
It may be becuase you haven't finished expanding the article yet, but at first sight it doesn't appear to me that Matthew Maer meets the notability requirements. WP:MILMOS suggests that someone will normally have to have reached the rank of major general, or been awarded the VC to be notable. Historically there have been rather a lot of lieutenant-colonels, and even those with the DSO and MBE (or similar) aren't particularly uncommon. David Underdown (talk) 10:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for stopping by. I've seen you around a lot lately (mostly fixing up my efforts on army officers). As regards Maer, I wasn't entirely sure myself, but between the Brigadier rank (thanks for finding that btw!) and the DSO and MBE I think he might just scrape by. I'll see if I can dig anything more up on him over the next few days.
 * While you're here, how do you manage to dig up those Gazette refs? I can never find the ones I'm looking for. Oh, also while you're here ;-), is there anything else you can think of to add to Tim Cross? He's currently awaiting a review at GAN. Thanks for your time. Best, HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   09:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Having found he's got up to brigadier, I'm a bit happier, and he might well survive an afd if it came to it - and it looks like he's a bit of a high flier at the moment, so it would be silly to delete it now, only to recreate it in a year or so when he does make maj-gen (Gordon Messenger is probably a good equivalent, his article was created when he was only a colonel, but he's now maj-gen and Chief of the Defence Staff's principal spokesman on Afghanistan). As to the Gazette, the best results usually come by searching directly from their own search page  and using service number.  Gazette issues prior to 2000 were put online by scanning the paper copies, so there can be OCR errors, so if you're "missing" a promotion on honour, it useful to know that honours and someone's initial commission are almost invariably published under full names (though one of those policemen you worked on recently had his CVO randomly under first name and surname only), and intermediate promotions under initials and surname - again prior to about 2000, initials need to be followed by full stops and separated by spaces, after this they are formatted like your user name (if you ever do any RN or RM officers, earlier gazette entries are often surname, initials, just to be awkward, and service numebrs have only started being listed in very recent years, so they can be a complete pain to track down).  As a final variation, if someone is knighted, they sometimes apepar just as Sir Firstname Surname.  As you might imagine, this means given an unusual surname (like Maer), it's often easier just to search on that, but for something like Cross, which is going to appear in the Gazette in all sorts of contexts, you really do need to potentially try all these variants to be sure of tracking everything down.  The OCR of earlier editions can throw its own spanner in the works too, words can sometimes get run together, so trying things like jsut middlename and surname can help, and even searching on middlename and surname with no spaces between.  One final useful resource if all else fails is the searchable online archive of recommendations for honours and awards on the website of The National Archives, you should be able to find the recommendation for an army honour or decoration prior to 1990 here, and the basic search results will give you the man's service number, and also the date the award was gazetted (another caveat, because of the way the online gazette works, you'll need to start your search a few days earlier than the date actually given).  If you want to actually read the recommendation, you'd normally have to pay £3, unless you're onsite at Kew, or belong to a subscribing (academic) institution (I'm lucky enough to be able to get them for free). David Underdown (talk) 10:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've put some examples on Talk:Jonathon Riley. David Underdown (talk) 10:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll take a look at that- I think Cross has most of his significant promotions and honours accounted for (thanks to your efforts!) but it would be good to track them down for others- Maer's MBE, for example, and the random assortment of military and police officers on my watchlist. I saw your efforts there- it was Peter Clarke (police officer) (on DYK the other day) and I must admit I'd never heard of the CVO before I wrote his article! On a slightly related note, is there a convention for ordering the dizzying arrays of post-nominal letters some of these guys have? For example, Clarke has a CVO, MBE and QPM to his name... Best, HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   11:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The correct order for postnominals is determined by the Order of Wear, the current one can be found in . Broadly speaking the order goes, Baronet, VC/GC, Orders (where someone holds the same degree, ie commander or whatever in more than one order, the order founded first will normally be given first), Decorations (military ones usually preceding police/civilian ones), it was based on this that I reorderd the postnoms on Clarke.  Why don't you give the tips above a go for Maer (having searched on that alone just now, I found there were more false positives than I expected, I hadn't anticipated it would turn up as a Welsh place name and things like that, so the service number and initials and so on will be needed to cut thigns down to manageable proportions).  David Underdown (talk) 11:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow! That was easier than I thought. Once I narrowed it down, I found his MBE pretty quickly. Thanks for all the hints- I'll be sure to put them to use in future! HJ Mitchell  |  fancy a chat?   21:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Requests for comment/Biographies of living people
Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:
 * 1) Proposal to Close This RfC
 * 2) Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip  02:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Brad Pitt
Yeah, Gonzonoir is a very helpful user, and has awesome contributions, too. With her wording and stuff, I can proudly say I have my third FA with Ethan Hawke. Hopefully with Pitt it'll be my fourth, that I can truly be proud of. Yeah, that's true. After she finished, I was like 'Why didn't I think of that wording', you know. I'll take it to FAC when I get the two issues Gonzonoir left in his talkpage. Hopefully it doesn't take that long. Thanks HJ, I know you'll be of great help, and I appreciate that. ;) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  21:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well let me know as soon as you hit "save"! Obviously, it's likely you'll get a lot of the same people weighing in as last time, but I'll be right behind you if you need me and hopefully there won't be much for them to take issue with (there will be something; there's always something!!) this time round. Best,  HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, trust me you'll be the first to know about it. :) Yeah, though, it'll be the same people from the first one, those who opposed of course, and some new faces, like yourself. Yeah, exactly, you think there's nothing to worry about, and then something comes up. I hate that. It's like, 'How the hell did I miss that?'. In your opinion, what should I do about the Snatch thing that Gonzonoir left in the talkpage? I've been going back-and-forth with it, and have no clue what to do. P.S. Your talkpage is still on my watchlist. ;) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  21:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it! The only thing to do is fix whatever they point out rather than getting dragged into an argument (as much as some people seem to enjoy arguing) and make sure the article is the best quality it can be. As for Snatch, I had a trawl through metacritic (from the ref in the article) and I couldn't find any negative comments on Pitt. A lot of the links there are broken, but even the worst (for example) seem quite complimentary of him so I suggest rewording it to reflect that (unless you've seen a negative one- I only took a random selection). Best, HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they like to argue with those who support the article, it's really dumb... really. Well, I thought the one I have in the article was negative, until a user pointed out to me that it was praising him, but criticizing his accent. I guess I can look for another review and see where I go from there. Yeah, I don't like the refs. in the lead either, but I don't question it during my reviews, but in order to avoid "says whom" tags, I'd rather let the refs. be there, you know. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  17:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That seems logical. I would say that if the fact is sourced in the body, it doesn't need one in the lead, since the lead is a summary of the article but it's not a major issue and it can always be addressed during the FAC if someone brings it up. Any luck with the reviews? I must admit that sine of the reviews were laying into the film but complimenting Pitt. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * During its FAC, no one seemed to bring it up, so. If they do on the next one, I'll have to abide by that. I'll go through some offline sources and see if there are any critical ones. At the moment, I'm in the midst of doing a review, so. I'll let you know what I found and see where we go from there. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  18:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: Nope, everyone enjoyed his accent in the film. Though, I did find one review, and I quote, "...there is Brad Pitt as a Gypsy rogue with an Irish accent so thickly garbled and weirdly spewed that everyone stands around puzzled, as if it were Old Gaelic. What is with Pitt's career? As in Fight Club, he plays a lean, pretty bruiser with a crazed taste for blood. He does more vicious boxing, which Ritchie and editor Jon Harris treat as a masochistic rite worthy of Stonehenge at dawn. At this rate, Pitt will soon be battling Mickey Rourke in Las Vegas." I'll look for more. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  18:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I had another trawl through metacritic and reworked the paragraph a little bit. I added another review from Village Voice (which really laid into Ritchie and Snatch but seemed to love Pitt. I'll keep looking, but I've yet to see anyone criticise Pitt. Best, HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:39, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright. Everyone, from the reviews, liked his accent as he did a great job with it, or they thought that that was his best role to date. IDK. I want to fair in the article, with having good and not so good reviews for him, you know. Don't want to come off as praising him. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  20:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree on your point about neutrality but the reviews are overwhelmingly positive. I tries to balance it out by saying the reviews were less than enthusiastic about the film itself. IMHO, you've built up a brilliant biography. The section is titled "critical success" so it makes sense that it would discuss the highpoints of his acting career. If someone raises it in the FAC, they can just be pointed to the metacritic page. I think it fairly represents the consensus of the sources and it's only one paragraph. HJ Mitchell |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Really, all of them? I thought the San Francisco Chronicle one, for Meet Joe Black, came "after" him. Thanks HJ, I appreciate that, about the "brilliant" bit. Like for my other bios. I try to be neutral, though I have been criticized for adding some "harsh" reviews. Don't remember which articles they were, but I remember that. Oh well. Yeah, there's a reason for the Metacritic links being there. If you can continue searching for more reviews, that'll be great. Though, if you come up empty, I guess we can leave it like that, and who knows, I'll probably nominate the article on Monday. I'm busy this entire weekend -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  22:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's the truth (or is someone going to tell me I need a reliable source for that ;-))! Will do- I've got a nice quiet weekend ahead of me so I'll dig up anything I can find and make a few finishing touches to the prose and aesthetics. How long does it take for people to comment after the nomination? Have a good weekend, anyway! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:45, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, are you playing with me, or what? Cause, now IDK. I guess you already did, by your edits on the article. It depends. I mean, the backlog at FAC is overwhelming. I believe with Ethan Hawke a took two days for someone to finally say something about the article, so who knows. I'm guessing because it is Pitt's article, the comments will sure come by fast. Yeah, I hope you didn't stress out about the Snatch bit, but I do thank YOU for taking your time to look that part over. I'm gonna go over the article and see if anything stands out before the nomination takes place. I hope you had a good weekend. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  00:27, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It was quiet, which is pleasant! As for Snatch, I had another trawl through metacritic and places and I think I might have added something (I've been all over WP the last few days) and a few other tweaks but there's nothing overly concerning that I can see. I'm sure someone at FAC will bring something up. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of comments very quickly with it being Brad Pitt (523 people have it on their watchlist and it gets 14k hits a day!) but hopefully most will be constructive. Oh, i almost forgot, I found a photo on Flickr of Pitt and Aniston together. I emailed the uploader to ask if they'll release it under a free licence but I'm not holding my breath- it took me over a month to get a photo for Tim Cross. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good. Yeah, but I think it'll be a minor thing that they raise. Wow, 523 watch his article. Never knew that, thanks for showing me that, I've been going through some articles and seeing how many have them on their watchlist. Fascinating, indeed. Yeah, I remember reading on The Daily Telegraph about that, about how many views the article gets. Might it be these images ---> one and two? Don't hold your breathe on the first one, but the second one was on Wikipedia but later deleted cause the license changed and stuff. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  01:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I like random stats like that- the page views are always interesting- I like looking at them for articles on ITN. On the topic of the MP, I wonder how many hits Pit'll get as TFA... The photo was this one, whether we have any joy with it I don't know but there's no harm flicking of an email. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can tell. People are always showing me these cool stuff. When they show it to me, I like to show it to other people. :) Though, all the stuff I know you probably already know, so. Oh, a lot, I guess. That photo doesn't seem to be from the author's just like an image from like Getty Images or something. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  02:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don;t know about that- every time I move on to a new topic, I discover something new about WP! I wouldn't be surprised if it was from Getty but I expect the majority of photos in existence of the two of them are probably owned by Getty! One day they'll realise their clients' articles get 14,000 views a day and let us use them but until then, we have to make do and mend! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   02:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Basterds
Actually, yes. I left you some comments on the GA1 page, at the bottom. :) — Mike   Allen   04:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: George Lee
There is just one thing where I could get a bit more detail for from you. Thanks, — Cargoking   talk  21:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. Just in time for the first WP:CUP deadline! — Cargoking   talk  23:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Declan Napier
Hey, would you be able to review Declan Napier for GA? Raintheone nominated it yesterday, so it's at the bottom of the list. The article looks good, so I don't think it would take too much work to get it up to GA status. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll add it to my to do list. I'd like to get Inglourious finished first and I've a suspicion that Brad Pitt will take up much of my time when he goes to FAC next week (hopefully) so it could be a few weeks but it'll probably be quicker than GAN- Tim Cross has been there for over month now and he should be an easy pass. I'd like to nominate him for A class once he's got GA and possibly even FA at some point in the future.
 * How's Inglourious coming along? Do you need anything more from me? F**K! I just got logged out in the middle of replying! That's very annoying! >:( HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   16:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I think Inglourious is coming along great, it's very close now. I'm going to have a look at the lead in a minute and see how I can improve it, otherwise I think everything is ticked off. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  16:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Good good. Let me know when you want me to take a final look at it. I'll be on and off til some absurd time in the morning in all probability. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   16:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Are images from another Wikipedia site allowed to be used as references? I've found that a reference used to back up info about censorship in Israel is the film poster on the Hebrew Wikipedia. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:20, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know, but I'd be inclined to say no. Wikipedia, English or otherwise, cannot be used a source and I'd be concerned about adding information that wasn't attributed to a reliable source. If you're wondering about adding an image, you have to be careful because it's almost certain to be non-free and would probably fall foul of the NFCC. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not planning to add any images, but reference No.72 is an image on the Hebrew Wikipedia. I can't find another source to back the info up, so I'm going to remove it. I think the article is ready for you to take a look at, since I've edited the lead and I believe everything is ticked off. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  19:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm having a little trouble with reference No.9. I can't find the online article and I can't find an alternative ref to replace it. Should I remove the info? Other then that, I think everything on the list has been ticked off. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * What's it being use for? I take it you don't have a copy of the newspaper? But even if you did, if you can't find anything else to corroborate those facts it would raise an eyebrow. If you can't corroborate the fact elsewhere, it'll have to go if the article is to make GA. Between you and me, I think there's a potential FA there but it'll be a lot of work, not least since neither FAs nor films are my area of expertise- I don't know about yours! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The reference is being used to back this info up: 'The premise had begun as a Western and evolved into a World War II version of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly set in German-occupied France. The story changed to be about two maverick units from the United States Army that had "a habit of scalping Germans".' I don't have a copy of the paper (it's Australian) and I can't find an online copy or another ref to replace it. I definitely won't try to get it up to FA any time soon, getting it up to GA has been bad enough. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If I remove that info & ref, would the article be ready? I'd quite like to go to sleep sometime soon. :P - JuneGloom07    Talk?  01:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look in a moment. I seem to be popular at the minute! HJ Mitchell |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You might want to take a look at Brian Burridge again. One of the sentences appears to be floating about in the middle of the article. I wasn't sure where it goes, so I thought I'd tell you instead of moving it to the worng place. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  19:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Cheers! Are you stalking my edits? Lol! I'm hoping I can close Inglourious later tonight- just waiting for 5 albert square to come on so she can run AWB over it (I can't be bothered with it- it took me long enough to get used to Twinkle and I've got 6 other tools and scripts!). HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think I was stalking your edits, lol. Anyway, here's something for you:
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- JuneGloom07    Talk?  23:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
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 * style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | The Special Barnstar
 * style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thank you, for all of the help you have given me and for being a great GA reviewer. :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  22:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * }
 * }


 * Thank you very much! That was quite a slog, but I'm glad we got there in the end. Kudos for keeping your determination even after I said I could quick fail it! Where are you going now? Paloma? HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Paloma is next, since I've already begun work on the article. I also hope to upload two new Neighbours cast articles soon. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:47, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've got her on my watchlist so I'll drop in from time to time. I seem to be patching up articles on army officers atm (though I've just finished an Air Chief Marshall and I'll be creating an article for an admiral soon!) since I've just discovered how easy it is to get references for their promotions and things! Anyway, you're always more than welcome to drop by my talk page if you want me!  HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think I've changed my mind about which article I want to bring up to GA status next. I'm going to try and get Giles Deacon up to GA first because I think it'll be easier than Paloma. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, he'll need some work but if there's enough material on him, the article could be a potential GA. I'm working on General Sir Mike Jackson at the minute. I've just turned it into a complete mess and I keep getting distracted by other things like Brad Pitt's FAC which started yesterday! You like your fashion designers, don't you!? HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   20:21, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I reckon I can find some more information, his article was very small and unreferenced before I got ahold of it. I do like my fashion designers, Giles is possibly my favourite of them all though. Good luck with Sir Mike. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * You found yourself a vandal too? I had one earlier today on my userpage. Nice Fish, btw. :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  19:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Meh. I was going to ignore the idiot but then i looked at his contribs and he;d done nothing but vandalise user pages so I reported him to AIV. Apparently I'm a faggot. Yum! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   20:36, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for starting the review of Declan, for Rain. I've been busy changing Neighbours character infoboxes today, I've only done the current cast so far. I'm going to ask 5asq to use AWB to do the rest, if she can. I saw the changes made at Inglourious Basterds. The editor undid your revert, so I undid his and explained that big changes need to be discussed and the chapter headings are not needed. I've also been improving/updating the Endurance Idahor article just incase it gets more support at ITN. What have you been up to today? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  22:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No worries. I've left them a note to say I've done it and I'll check in in a day or two unless I'm needed. I've been on and off knocking around my watchlist. The vandalism seems a little light today and I have some of the most vandalised articles on the wiki on my watchlist! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   23:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, Endurance Idahor has gone from having 700 views to 10k! I haven't noticed much vandalism today either, they must all be off doing more constructive things with their time. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and my arse is notable! That's impressive. How;s the article coming along? Anyway, I was just about to answer a request for a second opinion on a GA review and then I'm off to bed- relatively early for me! Hopefully I;ll be in a more productive mood in the morning. bloody citalopram! *grumbles* HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Callum Stone
Hey, guess what? I'm stalking your talk page too! :p

When you get a second, could you please do me a favour and run your copyediting eye over Callum Stone? I edited it earlier and moved a whole chunk of stuff, mainly stuff that was either written as if it was a fansite or information that was quite clearly just copied and pasted from his article at The Bill bios. I've added more references, trimmed back the article quite a bit and it shouldn't look like a fansite now but it would be good to get an independent opinion on it :) --5 albert square (talk) 00:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I forgot to add, I know the section about his attack looks incomplete, that's because it's an ongoing storyline, started last week and I think it's ongoing for the next 3-4 weeks --5 albert square (talk) 00:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Since it's you, I'll get on it later on! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you! --5 albert square (talk) 01:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ I had a quick look- nothing major. A few spelling mistakes, a little fancruft but nothing fundamental. You might want to run your AWBamabobby over it but I probably got most of what it would pick up! Speaking of which, could you run it over Tim Cross, Inglourious Basterds and Brad Pitt for me? Cheers! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, I've added them to my watchlist for now, I'll do that tomorrow :) --5 albert square (talk) 01:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ --5 albert square (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Much obliged. Did it catch anything on Cross? I saw the other 2 on my watchlist. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

(undent)No Cross didn't have anything, something I was quite surprised about! --5 albert square (talk) 22:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * What's surprising about it? I wrote it! ;-) HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I dunno why but I really thought Cross would've thrown up something! --5 albert square (talk) 22:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * We revert at the same times! I was just coming to The Bill lol!  No idea why that stuff was removed, seemed perfectly ok to me --5 albert square (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed! I don't even have to patrol RC any more- my watchlist is ridiculously long and I've picked up a fair few vandal target on among the 650 pages on it! I reverted anyway and went with an AGF "removal of content" warning. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   01:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Saw VI GA
Wow I wasn't expected the GA to be that "easy". I mean I have been working on it since.. well ever since I joined and "learn the ropes" (~3 months ago). Good to know I'm doing something right. LOL. Do you think any of the Saw articles could meet FA? Will they allow such a gruesome and appalling film to be featured on the main page? :P I've read the FA criteria and discussions, they can be quite demanding. — Mike  Allen   06:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither was I. That's one of the easiest I've ever done, but I have a knack for picking the difficult ones! As for FA, I'm not sure. I don't have much expertise with films or FAs. What I suggest you do once I've closed the GA review is put it up for peer review and note that you'd like feedback geared to taking it to FA- the people there should be able to tell you what it needs to go further. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

List of Awards of The Bill
Thanks for removing the orphan template from it. It flashed up on AWB the other night, I clicked save instead of skip and then forgot to remove it! --5 albert square (talk) 21:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw. I've not visited it for a while but it's still on my watchlist. There's not much point leaving an orphan tag on it considering pretty much the sole purpose of its existence is to hold information we split form the main article. Have you considered having a root for more information to give The Bill an update? It's been a few months since anyone paid any real attention to it so it could probably use it. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   23:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I usually do checks every now and then on Google News for stuff on The Bill, you just reminded me to do it tonight and I've found out that Scotland's First Minister is now being probed by Ofcom over STV's decision to ditch the programme!  The Telegraph says that he may have had some form of influence over STV's scheduling --5 albert square (talk) 23:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated it, but there's not very much to show I'm afraid. Could only find stuff about the war between STV and ITV.  The Bill must be keeping a low profile at the moment :) --5 albert square (talk) 00:10, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Lindsey Vonn
BLP concerns were expressed in a protection request made at WP:RFPP. When it comes to BLPs, I prefer to err on the side of caution. If you feel my semi-protection was overzealous, I would be glad to dial-down its duration. Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 03:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I appreciate the need to be especially careful with BLPs and it seems strange that I would be in this position since I often find myself in favour of protection but in this case I (as a non-admin, of course) don't really see the case for protection, especially now that the Olympics are over. That said, I think over-zealous is the wrong term in this instance as I've no doubt that your intention was to protect (in the literal sense) the article from vandals. I wonder if you'd be averse to lifting the protection or, as you suggest, reducing the duration if you believe there's a case for leaving it on. Thank you for your time. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   04:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Alastair Campbell
Well, fancy bumping into you on the Alastair Campbell page!

What the heck was all that vandalism about on it? I remember I came across it on Huggle last night/early this morning but I didn't bother reporting the page for protection then as it was only a few IPs vandalising and I thought they would be blocked, that would be the end of it. Accidentally came across it tonight, was like "what the heck????? Still?????" so sent a report straight off to WP:RFPP. By the way someone vandalised John Barrowman tonight but I think I got all of it, if he is 52 years old, he looks mighty good for his age! --5 albert square (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the fuck was going on there, but I've never seen anything like it! It's full protected now, anyway. I spent a good part of last night repeatedly hitting the rollback button and found a new appreciation for Twinkle! It was semi protected and then tonight someone had edited and put "typo" in the edit summary. Given the faff last night I was a bit suspicious of a 160 character "typo" and sure enough I click to find a man's arse! That was insane. They've obviously been using sleepers or they've managed to hack a few old autoconfirmed accounts. I used the "rollback all" tool on one of them earlier (only the second time I've ever used it). I have never seen anything like that! I've also posted at ANI in the hope that a passing checkuser might be able to fins any more of them. Insane. Really! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Me neither, that really was something else. I'm sure I reverted a few edits on it last night but I didn't bother reporting it because it was only a couple of IPs involved and I just thought they'll get bored or blocked and then they'll go away.  I looked at the page history tonight and decided to go straight to RFPP.  Incidentally the blocking sysop mentioned that it was sleeping accounts doing all that work, I suspect a few sockpuppets stayed up past their bedtimes last night :) --5 albert square (talk) 00:15, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * About that ANI post, I think that it's better suited for SPI. That's where checkuser requests are handled. Ham  tech  person  00:50, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm certain it was one person. Whether they were using compromised accounts or whether they've just been planning this for a long time, I don't know. Hamtechperson, thank you for your note. I went to ANI initially in the hope that it could be dealt with quickly, but I might start an SPI now that there;s no immediate concern. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I saw it and my fishy alert suddenly was going beserk, so here's a fishy something for you:


 * Ham tech  person  01:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Pentagon Shooting
Whoa, duck that fish! Don't know if youve heard about the Pentagon shooting/article or John Patrick Bedell as it is currently. (just spent 10 hours on it!?!) Interesting thing is the guy had accounts on at least Wikpedia and Wikiversity. See |HERE if you're interested. Now I have to sleep! Related Xkcd Bye fro now! --220.101.28.25 (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit
Hi, HJ. If you have the time, would you mind running through the Fay Ripley article and giving it a copyedit? I need a fresh pair of eyes on it before I take it to FAC. Thanks a lot. Bradley0110 (talk) 10:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course. Might be a day or two before I can get into the nitty gritty but I'll take a look later on today. Best, HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   15:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm in no desperate hurry, so I don't mind the wait. Bradley0110 (talk) 15:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with this, HJ. I've added an extra BFI ref to support her early roles and have also made a couple of other changes; I prefer the director and year of films to go in parenthesis if possible (John Smith, 2005) because it keeps sometimes minor information from interfering with clauses, and I've delinked a couple of words that you linked, as certain parties will oppose outright at FAC if there is "overlinking" in an article. Thanks again. Bradley0110 (talk) 09:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. I have looked on Flickr, but the only images are a CC-BY-NC image by Downing Street (which definitely won't relicence), one by the Terrence Higgins Trust (a charity which probably won't relicence since the photo was probably taken by a hired photographer), and one by a little girl who needed a kidney transplant (who it would be cruel to bully into relicencing). It maybe wouldn't hurt to try though. Bradley0110 (talk) 09:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

BLP sticky PROD
Hi !. Every attempt to rescue a Wikipedia article is a noble gesture. However, there may be occasions when, with the best  will in the world, it  is just  not  possible to accord even a minimum of notability to an article or stub, or find a proper source for it. Most regrettably, even the most  dedicated inclusionists will have to concede that  the article may  have to  go if the creator or major contributors cannot  justify their work. For new and recent unsourced BLPs, some users are now working at  WT:BLP PROD TPL on  the development  of templates that are designed to  encourage contributors to source new BLPs, without  scaring away the newbies who  might  not  be aware of the rules. This template is certainly not  another  a licence to  kill for the deletionists, in  fact  the very idea of it  is to  ensure that  you  are not  fighting a losing  battle. It would be great if you  could look  in  at the prgogress and maybe leave a word of encouragement. The workshop page is essentially a template development taskforce, and is not a place to  engage in a hefty  debate on  incusion/deletion  policy. See you at WT:BLP PROD TPL?--Kudpung (talk) 12:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review
Hello. Thankyou for doing to GA review on the article, Declan Napier. I can make the changes to most points you made but I do have a couple of questions. The first is the image, no screen shots of fictional characters automatically qualify for fair use without permission, but they are accepted providing a strong fair use rationale is provided, which is this case, there is, quite a lengthy one to on the image's page it's self, so what else can be done?

Also, the references, I can remove the perfectblend ones as they were only kept in for episode summaries and are not needed, but the ones citing Neighbours.com.au are used solely for information on the character's personality, which is the only place to retrieve that information when writing about fictional soap characters, any other source commenting on their personality would be moved to the 'reception' header, there a quite a few good articles for soap character articles that have done this, there was some debate over it a bit back too. The neighbours website is also used to back up a storyline claim, which I will remove, as it doesn't really need citing..

I do have a question as I found it hard to understand the lack of cited publishers, I put every publisher in each link under |publisher=, then the link placement goes under the the |url=. I think you may use a different template for citing sources.

And the heading '2007—' already means present/ongoing, the long dash. Did you mistake a '—' for a '-'. '2007—' is the alternative to '2007-present'. RAIN the ONE  (Talk) 20:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Yay, Declan is now the second Neighbours article to be brought up to GA. Well done, Rain and thank you HJ for passing it. :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  12:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Re:
Thanks for the review, HJ, I appreciate it a whole lot. I looked over your concerns, hopefully I've addressed them. At the moment I don't have an interest in taking it to FAC, there still needs a little more to be needed in the article. Though, IDK if Peter Sarsgaard can be an FA. What do you think? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  20:10, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I happened to be browsing GAN and saw your sig near the top of the list. Besides, I like pretty actresses! I think she has the potential to be an FA in the future- the framework is there, so with a month or so of hard work on it, it could be FA standard. I can deal with the aesthetics, prose and MoS when the time comes. As for Sarsgaard, again, I think he has the potential to get there in a few months. It's a very well put together article and, at a glance, there are no show stopping issues. Obviously, it would benefit from any more information that was available on him and if I looked hard enough, I could find something that wasn't in line with some obscure part of the MoS but he definitely has the potential to be an FA imho. Do either WP:BIOG or WP:ACTOR do A-class reviews? That could be a useful forum for getting feedback. I've got Tim Cross up for A-class atm but that's MILHIST and they're probably the best set up project on WP. Btw, Pitt seems to be doing well so far. Nice to hear from you. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I was gonna reply, but my browser shut down. Well, her ex-boyfriend is the pretty thing. They were such a good couple. Anyways, yeah her article has a chance in the future, not right now. Yeah, I'm gonna start doing hard research for Sarsgaard. I have a NewsBank so that'd be a great help. Also, there's some stuff I can replace in there, so. Um, I think BIO stop doing A-class reviews. I don't think that WP:Actor does any. You spoke to soon, a user opposed because he thinks the article comes from IMDB, which I don't know how he got that, I'm gonna have to deal with this so that he gets pleased and change his mind. Can you help? It's always nice to hear from you, too. ;) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  15:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be too concerned considering his argument has already been rebutted and it's not an actionable objection (I believe required by the FAC guidelines [I got bored and did a little reading around]). Besides, much as I love IMDb, I don't think they could come up with 4891 words of prose (handy little tool!). We can try and engage him in dialogue, see if he has anything more specific to say but how can one write an article about an actor without talking about his films. On an unrelated note, I see Kirsten Dunst is tomorrow's TFA. That'll be... interesting. It'll keep the hugglers busy, put it that way! I expect I;;ll be keeping my finger on the rollback button! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   16:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I've reading, though, to me, it doesn't make sense. I think his argument is "weak". I mean, this is how Angelina Jolie's article looks like... almost looks like... in comparison to her film career. I'm not about to say "Fight Club became the film that made Pitt into an A-list actor" or whatever. Yeah, exactly, IMDB would have like one or two sentences summarizing Pitt's films. Yeah, though I was hoping her article be on the MP on April 30 her birthday. Oh well, I guess. Yeah, if you look out for the article, I'd appreciate that. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  16:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't write that if I were you, you're free to vent your anger in an email to me if it helps, but you come out of it looking better if the FAC stays relatively amicable and the article has a better chance. You shouldn't take the criticism personally, someone will always find a reason to oppose something (take either of our RfAs for example)- some will offer constructive criticism, others... won't! All you can do is make it the best article you can, which you've done, Gonzonoir and I have made it look pretty and read nicely, now we have to persuade the community that it's FA quality. It's early days yet, anyway, so we'll have to see what other people raise.
 * Of course I'll look out for her, she's hot! Most of my watchlist is comprised of pretty actresses and singers. Oh, and the odd army officer and random vandal targets. I get around! I got a "reverted to last version by ThinkBlue" on Ben Affleck earlier (saw it on my vast watchlist). HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   16:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I won't then. So, should I at least reply, since he did mention me? I mean, I'm not agreeing with what his stance is. I should say that I'd be willing to do whatever he wants me to do, but not make controversial changes, you know what I mean? Well, IDK about Dunst being "hot". I didn't get her article to FA because she's "hot" but because of the film roles she's done. Yeah, Affleck was the second actor article I worked on. Pitt was my first. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  17:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You can reply, by all means, but try to focus on the merits of the argument (or lack thereof) rather than the person making it. Definitely show that you're willing to work with him to address his concerns you don't have to mean it, you just have to sound like you do and ask for specific issues that can be dealt with because neither of us are sure how to do it differently- acting careers aren't as easy as military careers (X joined the Army in, got promoted a few times, was made general then retired).
 * Trust me, she's hot which is why she's on my watchlist but I'll be looking after her article tomorrow for the wiki's sake, don't worry! It's not a good reason to write about someone, but it can be good motivation- take one of my GAs, for example. I'll weigh in at the FAC in a minute and give my thoughts- I'm just hovering on my watchlist and working on Tim Cross. I'd like to be able to get a four award for him one day. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll reply later, I'm in class at the moment. Yeah, I know. Man, I kinda made you feel bad. Oh, okay, I'll admit that I've worked on articles based on me liking the person, or some other traits. For Pitt because of his films mainly the Ocean's films. Maggie Gyllenhaal because she was good in The Dark Knight, the same with Dunst in the Spider-Man movies. Hawke because he's good in everything he's in. Now, here's my admission, I worked on Jon Hamm's article after I saw an episode of Mad Men, and I declared... to myself... that he is the most handsomeness person in the planet. There, don't be guilty, now. ;) Oh, well work on your article first then if you have the time leave something in the FAC, don't want to stress you out. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  17:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I prefer Pitt in Fight Club. He's fantastic in that- I think he makes the film. No doubting he's a great actor. I have to agree with you on Dunst and Spiderman, it's the first film I saw her in. Cross can wait- I only created the article because I saw him on the news and looked him up only to find a red link. I was expecting a two sentence stub, not a GA! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he's good in Fight Club but I much prefer him in the Ocean's movies, also I liked in Benjamin Button. Yeah, he's a great actor with all of his roles. Yeah, Spider-Man and Interview with the Vampire, she was hella funny in Bring it On. Alright, then. I just don't want you coming after me and telling me that it was me who "wouldn't let me do anything else" here... that's how I imagine you telling me off. ;) Nice work on Cross, and I'm sure you'll get recognition for your work on his article, you'll see. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  18:00, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * He is.. I haven't seen all of them, but the only (male) actor I can think of who's better is Will Smith. Dunst is quite funny in Wimbledon actually. I'd like to get Cross to FA one day, but I'll settle for A class for the moment. The only thing I could tell you off for is writing such brilliant articles that I wanted to write! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Your guestbook
Where is it?  Nerdy Science Dude :)  (✉ click to talk • my edits • sign) 03:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have one, but my sandbox isn't doing anything at the minute, so feel free to doodle on that if you want. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   08:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Giles Deacon
I hope you don't mind me starting a new section on your very popular talk page. I was wondering how much work will be needed to bring Giles up to GA? Will it be as bad as Inglourious? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I am popular at the minute! I'll have to lop off an archive soon. As for Deacon, a quick glance says he could be very close. All you need is for the article to cover the main aspects of the subject and for every paragraph, direct quote and questionable fact to be attributed to a reliable source. I can deal with the well written and MoS compliance aspects- it's my speciality! Have a look at WP:GA? and WP:RGA and if you think it's ready, go ahead and nominate it. I'll give you a review if nobody beats me to it. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   09:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that, it's nice to know that it won't be as much work as Inglourious. Just wondering though, will you fail it because it hasn't got any images? Oh, on a slightly unrelated note, is the Inglourious poster image in List of accolades received by Inglourious Basterds in violation of WP:FU? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  11:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll take those in reverse order. GA reviews seem to bring me into contact with the NFCC quite often, though I'm far from an expert. I'd say you could probably get away with that use, BUT you need to add a separate fair use rationale to the image description page for the other use. You can essentially copy and paste the one for Inglourious into a separate template and change the links.
 * As for Deacon, no I won't fail it because it doesn't have any images. There's a footnote at the bottom of WP:GA? that says "the presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement" so as long as it meets the other criteria (don't worry too much about the MoS, I can sort that) it won't be a problem. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   11:23, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about the poster as I noticed the one from The Hurt Locker was removed for being in violation of WP:FU. I think the image needs to be removed anyway as it's disrupting the table, another editor pointed out that the article is having trouble displaying correctly in Safari. I asked them to take a look at three other accolades pages and Up in the Air has the same problem, the other two didn't have an image.
 * Thank you, I must have missed that footnote when I read the page yesterday. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  11:38, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The test for non-free content should be simply: does its presence significantly enhance the article and the reader's understanding of the topic? If the answer is no, it should be removed if the answer is yes, it can stay provided it has a strong FUR.
 * Have you looked on Flickr for images of Deacon? Many authors will license it under no derivatives or non commercial use but if you write to them and ask them nicely, some will change them. That's how I got the image for Tim Cross. There's a draft message I use on one of my subpages. I just keep random handy links and things on there. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   12:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think it enhances the article as well as an image of Tarantino or Christoph Waltz holding an award could. Besides, if it's making the article display incorrectly for readers it should probably be removed.
 * Most of the images on Flickr are of his clothes, but there is possibly two of him that I think would look good. I shall use your polite note to ask the authors if they would be willing to change the licenses. The free image tool did find an image of a scarf and dress he designed, which is mentioned in the article. I'm not too sure if it can be uploaded though, as wouldn't the clothes be copyrighted? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  12:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Then go ahead and remove it if you think that's the best thing to do.
 * I honestly have no idea on the scarf. You might want to ask at WP:MCQ- hopefully you'll be able to get an expert opinion. My only knowledge of images comes from GA reviewing! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   13:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've removed the image and asked the other editor if it's solved the page display problem. Hopefully it has.
 * I will find someone to ask about the image of the clothes. Thank you for all your help again. :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  14:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No worries. I'll be around if you need me. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   14:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, I wondering wheather to create a Paloma Faith discography page? I was going to use the Pixie Lott discography as a guide, since they've both had one album out so far and a few singles. I just need to do something at the moment to take my mind off a few things. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no harm in it. definitely. Especially if she's going to be releasing more music in the future. Nothing serious I hope? You're welcome to email me if you want to chat. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's serious. I was just reading some books for an essay and the information just wasn't sinking in, so I ended up crying for 40 minutes about that and a few other things. I feel a bit silly about it all now. Thank you. :) I'll get on with creating the Paloma Faith discography page in my sandbox now and upload it a bit later. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Life gets on top of us all at one time or another, but you shouldn't feel silly about it. Have fun with Paloma, I'm working on Lindsay Lohan at the minute, but I'm around if you want me. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you want any help with the dams bursting in Kazakhstan article? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  14:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, anything you can do would be much appreciated. I've started Kyzyl-Agash dam, you could patrol it if you want, it should be right at the top. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   14:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've had a go at adding more info and refs to the Kyzyl-Agash dam article. There's now a orphan tag on it, but I'm not sure how many other articles can be linked to it right now. I just came across the Emmerdale article and I think the awards section needs to broken off into a seperate article, don't you think? Would I just take the info out of the main article and place it into a new List of awards and nominations received by Emmerdale page? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice job, thanks. I took the tag off, but I replaced it with a category. As for Emmerdale, I suggest you raise it on Talk:Emmerdale and see if you get a response from any of the regular editors there before making any big changes. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   16:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ - JuneGloom07    Talk?  17:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Where did you spring up from? There I was editing the Kasubi Tombs article, someone adds their own opinions on the event, I go to remove it and find you've beaten me to it. :P - JuneGloom07    Talk?  13:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I am that good! Actually, ITN/C was top of my watchlist when I logged in and I went to have a look at the article to find that crap there so I hit the rollback button! I'll not be doing much today, though, I've got one hell of a hangover! HJ Mitchell |  Penny for your thoughts?   13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It's Neighbours ' 25th anniversary! Just thought I'd share that with you. :P - JuneGloom07    Talk?  00:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * So I see from the Main Page! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   00:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I Don't Wish To Start Any Tensions With You
What you erased did not indicate I was wanting to feud with you at all. I do not think you are an imbecile and I don't think you are a bad editor. I simply stated that you do not need to tell me how to judge what I see and that I didn't like that you possibly followed my edit by erasing two different edits I Made. I don't appreciate stalking or interpreting how I judge what is written. And sir, this is a public computer from Hennepin County, Minnesota, so don't think that the edits that were made from this IP address were just mine; in case you thought that.204.169.161.1 (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry this seems to have got out of hand, but you were attempting to raise your issues in the wrong place. If you believe there is something wrong with an article, you should raise the issue on its talk page. As I understand it, there are various issues with that article but that is the downside of Wikipedia- its articles are not perfect. Administrators cannot help you there- all they can do is protect the page from editing, delete the article or block people from editing altogether none of which would be much use to you. However, many of the editors at Talk:Bill Clinton will be intelligent, competent, will have detailed knowledge of Clinton and will want to resolve the issue so that is where you should take the concern. Thank you HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Question
Is it just me or is the following, in the Early work section, ---> "After Thelma & Louise, Pitt had a firm following among female audiences, but was at this point regarded more for his sex appeal than his acting chops. [...] did little to advance his career [...] and proved to audiences that Pitt could be more than just a pretty face [...] Pitt also benefited greatly through working with such a talented cast and crew", sound POVish? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  01:11, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It could probably do with reworking unless it's quoting a source. Terms like "firm following" and "more than pretty face" set alarm bells ringing. I'll see what I can do with it later on if you want. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   12:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was my reaction. I was like 'OMG, if people read those statements, they're going to oppose.' I was going to remove them, but I needed a second opinion, cause I've been wrong before about stuff like that, so. Though, I'm glad you worked it out... I think. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  01:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: OMG, I found an archived article about Pitt talking about Thelma & Louise; "It was that kind of part," says the actor, still sporting his Kalifornia beach look (beard and long hair). "I had been waiting, looking for the part. I knew that's what it would take. And when several guys (director) Ridley Scott wanted fell through, they took a chance with me. "I knew I had to show them what I could do next." "You have to find a balance, or you'll be playing hitchhikers for the rest of your career." Do you think it me good to add in the article? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  01:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know what on Earth was going on with that, but none of it was in any of the sources cited which makes it OR or SYNTH, never mind the POV issues. I'm happy to discuss it with him if he wants to, but we can only say what the sources say. I think that could be useful to add in- some more of the "bigger picture" stuff. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   09:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What alarmed me was "...following among female audiences, but was at this point regarded more for his sex appeal than his acting chops [...] and proved to audiences that Pitt could be more than just a pretty face", "acting chops"? "pretty face"? That's not very appropriate to add to an FA candidate article, you know. This, is not encyclopedic material, rather someone's opinion on Pitt. Anyways, I've sent you an e-mail regarding the archived article and see what can come of it. If the source can be used great. I some of Wildhartlivie's comments, the rest I think I may need your help, though I will continue to look for stuff regarding his casting in A River Runs Through It and Legends of the Fall. Is that cool? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  14:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Works for me. I'll check my email in a minute. That kind of stuff might be OK if it had come straight from a source but it hadn't. Without a source, I wouldn't let that remain in any BLP, never mind an FAC. I did my best to tone it down rather than just remove it. I found a nice quote from Rotten Tomatoes and threw it in. I'll have another look a little bit later. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   14:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's some good stuff in that article, but I was really keen on his take on Thelma & Louise. Yeah, I guess. TBH, I really try to avoid adding POV statements like 'This role transitioned him into an A-list actor', etc. I'll do my part with doing research on his casting and all that stuff. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  15:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

ITN for Kyzyl-Agash dam

 * Well done. :) I've just discovered a Dam infobox and added it to the article, not much in it at the moment though. I think the Dam crosses the Karatal River, but I haven't found anything to back it up yet. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

trolls
Hi. I assume it is well-intended, but please do not summarily remove my posts. I'm perfectly able to deal with those who dog my edits. Cheers, Jack Merridew 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I don't care. He's not a troll, he's trying to make a point. He's just making it the wrong way. You're not helping matters by calling him a troll and if you really want to have that conversation, you should have it on your own talk pages and not on an article talk page. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   10:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

re: Lady Gaga
Since the quote is from a Scottish newspaper, we can safely assume that they use the Brittish way of spelling, which is "revolutionise". Changing quotes is a BIG no. Nymf hideliho! 17:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I missed that. My apologies. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Can you revert yourself? Thanks. Nymf hideliho! 18:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. I didn't realise you hadn't done it already. I only hover around that article so you;re welcome to revert anything I do if I make a mistake. I won't take offence.  HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Reply on my talk page
RE: Lily Cole changes. I have no Username so I can't leave one, but please find my reply, and thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.186.99.39 (talk) 17:48, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Just an fyi for you. During the discussion on filmography tables on WT:ACTOR, I copied your comments on the table heading from Talk:Miley Cyrus where you endorsed the color filmography table heading here. I thought it would helpful for you to know that Jack Merridew responded by saying that the IP I mentioned was blocked for personal attacks (which has since expired) and dismissed your valid comment as meatpuppetry, saying "The others you quote were set-up by the troll." If you care to respond, the comment is there. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I consider the above to be canvassing and a bad faith mischaracterization of what I said; I in no way implied that you were a meatpupet, only that the troll-IP misled you; i.e. that the troll was engaging in improper behavior. Cheers, Jack Merridew 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your time. I'll take a look at the discussion, but you needn't worry about canvassing, I was intending to anyway- I work with a lot of biographies and many of them happen to be actors. Mr Merridew, although we disagree on particular issues, I'm sure you are acting in the best interests of the encyclopaedia and I would appreciate it if you could extend that assumption to your fellow contributors, including Wildhartlivie, "the troll" and the "Miley Cyrus fans" then hopefully we can at least disagree civilly. WHL, thanks for copying my comments over and thanks for letting me know. My best to both of you, HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   15:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Article title
You are invited to join the discussion at. DrKiernan (talk) 09:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC) (Using )

Portrait of Angel Fernandez de Soto
Afternoon, glad you're around. Would you patrol the above article for me when I upload it in a minute? It's a Picasso painting that has just been named "the most highly estimated work of art to be offered at auction in Europe" and it is currently owned by Andrew Lloyd Webber. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:30, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   15:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I have a bit of a dilema though. Do I nominate it for DYK or ITN? I'm not sure it'll get on ITN now, but if it becomes the most expensive work of art sold at auction it might make it in June. Can a former DYK article be nominated for ITN? - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You can nominate it for both, but if ITN takes it, it'll be ineligible for DYK. Or at least that's my understanding of the rules. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   15:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, okay. I'll upload the article first, then work out what to do. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  15:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Since I got asked as well, I'll respond here and hold the conversation together. There's two paths- you've got five days for DYK, so yiou could nominate for ITN, and if getting little support, you'll have plenty of time to walk it over to DYK- since we got rid of the rule forbidding ITN rejects on DYK.  The second option, and my preference, is run it on DYK now, and hold off an ITN nom until the auction, to see if it actually becomes news based on the purchase price.  Right now, I'd have to oppose an ITN run for it, preferring to wait until the actual auction. (ITN, of course, has no rule rejecting old DYK articles.) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 19:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Brad, that's very helpful. I don't spend much time around DYK but I know you do. I'm sure June appreciates your help. June, if I were you, I'd take Brad's advice. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for your help. I'll go to DYK with it and wait until the auction to see what it sells for. Can you tell that I'm pretty bad at making decisions by myself yet? :) - JuneGloom07    Talk?  19:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Lothian Buses
Hi HJ

How's things with you? Seems ages since we last chatted!

I'm ok but have had a horrible past couple of weeks. Firstly about 10 days ago everyone at work got told that as of June, about 90% of us will lose our jobs as our call centre is being shipped out to Cairo! Then on Friday we got told that one of our workmates had been found dead in his home from a suspected drugs overdose. Whether or not it was deliberate or accidental nobody knows at this stage. It's a real shame as the guy was only in his 20s or 30s.

Anyway, on to the reason I came on here. I was wondering if you could take a look at Lothian Buses for me please? Us regular contributors to the page are looking at ways to shorten the article, in fact I'm about to transfer their list of preserved vehicles to a seperate page as per the discussion at Talk: Lothian Buses. I was wondering if you could please give the page a quick copy edit plus if you had any other suggestions on how we can shorten the page?

If you do that I'll look at Tim Cross again and see if I can think of any suggestions about improvements so it can be a good article. I've got a funny feeling that will be a very quick process for Tim Cross as I really have no clue what I'm talking about! --5 albert square (talk) 11:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, nice to hear from you! Sounds like you're having a bit of a rough week :-(. I'll have a look at your buses for you and see what I can do. I don't know much about buses, but hey, makes a change from actors and army officers! Cross is GA now and he's on review for A-class at the military history project. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   16:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks and nice to hear that Tim Cross is now GA! --5 albert square (talk) 16:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help HJ. I do hope to get the article up to GA status at some point so I've posted on the talk page and made some recommendations for change.  Wouldn't want to nominate it now though as I think it would qualify as a quick fail --5 albert square (talk) 00:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey HJ! I've made some major changes to Lothian Buses tonight and have posted some ideas again at Talk: Lothian Buses.  Your comments would be most welcome and appreciated :) --5 albert square (talk) 00:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey HJ!!! I think that everyone is in agreement that we've done as much to Lothian Buses as we can.  Could you take a look at it again when you get a sec please?  --5 albert square (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. I've got a few minutes now so I'll have a look. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:52, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --5 albert square (talk) 22:58, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you get the chance to have a quick look at it? I forgot to mention before I'm going to look over all articles at the weekend and see what information is duplicated.  If there is any then I may be able to trim down duplications on the main page and redirect people to the other article --5 albert square (talk) 00:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

ITN: Girija Prasad Koirala

 * Blimey, are you planning to fill the whole of the top row of your User page with ITN, DYK and GA's? :P
 * Btw, can you give yourself recognition for an ITN item? I updated the Kasubi Tombs article and forgot to mention it on the nominations page. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  18:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sure. If you substantially updated it and were missed, go for it. I do it, and most of the other regulars do if they're missed. I deliver them for Tone as well so I ended up crediting myself the other day. The templates are at WP:In the news to copy and paste. And yes, I want to get it ridiculously long, hopefully I'll be able to add Lindsay lohan to my GAs soon and an FA or two would be nice! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe I substantially updated the article, I'm still sitting at the top of the revision history stats list. Yes, a FA star would look very nice at the top of your page. I'll be getting my first DYK soon and hopefully another GA for Giles Deacon, whose article I've been working on today. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  19:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Family Gay
Thanks for the review, I've replied to your concerns on the review page  C T J F 8 3  chat 17:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you miss this post? :)  C T J F 8 3  chat 17:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear! I must have! This page is getting quite long! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   17:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks for the review/pass.  C T J F 8 3  chat 17:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've tidied up the talk page banners for you. Good work. Keep it up. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   18:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
Hi

Just to say, if you ever see anyones page looking the exact same as my talk page or user page can you please report it as a sockpuppet of User:Trueman31? This is a user who vandalises all the pages of the current cast of EastEnders and has been blocked more times than I care to remember. He used to do the same with User:AnemoneProjectors user page and talk page, now it seems that he's decided to switch to mine! --5 albert square (talk) 21:36, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do, I have a very varied watchlist so he might well pop up on there at some point! What's that all about then? Who've you pissed off? And why copy someone else's talk page? Way to give the game away! How are you guys getting on with your buses? HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha, no the only thing I've done is revert a few of his many vandalism edits. He vandalises all the EastEnders characters mainly the current cast, last time he visited he vandalised Christian Clarke and Dot Branning amongst others, this time I can only find that it's affected Ben Mitchell and Dot Branning.  As for the buses, I'm going to start on the history article within the next day or so --5 albert square (talk) 22:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. You should install this tool. It gives you a button on contribs pages that reverts every edit they ever made in about half a second! I've only had to use it twice, but I don't patrol recent changes much these days. I've got Lothian Buses on my watchlist so I'll drop in from time to time to help you guys out! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   22:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you
Tell me what the hell is this user's problem? --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 03:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They need to drop the stick in my opinion. I replied and invited them to let the community decide at GAR if that's what they want to do, but, as the reviewer, the decision to list the article was mine. My best advice would be not to get het up about it and make your case at GAR if there is one. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   04:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly getting heated up, however this schitck of trolling and accusing my edits hardly seem a case of good faith, and more of a vendetta. To be frank, the articles I develop are quite high-class and I know that I do not endorse fancruft. If this continues, I would be compelled to raise another WP:WQA, or go to WP:ANI. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 04:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's see what comes of this first. If you continue to have problems with them that can't simply be ignored, you may have to take it to ANI, but that's a last resort. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   04:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Question 2
Do you think this link might help in the article? Also, thanks for doing the "also" changes, I was actually going to replace the "also" in Seven with "as well" but wasn't sure if it would "work". Also, the "two weeks prior" bit reads better than "two weeks before graduation", I'm not gonna change it, unless you think Tony's right. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  16:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look in a mo. He was definitely right on the alsos- I removed all but one of them because most were redundant and the others needed working in better. I don't know about the prior/before thing- it doesn't read brilliantly either way to me. I'll have a play around later on to see if I can improve it later. To be honest, it doesn't make much difference tot he article, so if it resolves the objection, I'd change it to however Tony wants it. Besides, I know the MoS pretty well, but I don't think anyone knows it as well as he does! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   19:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Take your time, I see that you are SUPER busy. Yeah, I saw that, good job on it. Well, I prefer "Two weeks prior to earning his degree", but let's see how this plays out, I guess. Yeah, I guess you're right about Tony. Though, should we leave him a message that what he left at the FAC have been dealt with? -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  19:48, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I've left him a note asking if he'd pop back. I think we've got most of his concerns and hopefully he'll have a suggestion for the before/prior to thing. We'll see. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   20:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let's just see. You do know that I appreciate your help with all of this, right? :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  20:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You're more than welcome! I'm enjoying it and hopefully the FAC experience will prove useful in the future. Besides, you've got this far, it'd be a shame if it was held back by something that's relatively easy to fix. While you're here though, I'd really appreciate it if you could take a look at Lily Cole at some point and make a comment or two on her PR. I'm in no rush to take her to FAC, but I think the potential is there. HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think you picked up on something of the FAC process and I know you will use that experience for good. :) Yeah, it would totally suck if the article doesn't get promoted. Absolutely, I'll take a look and leave comments, doing a favor for a friend... can I call you a friend? ;) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  21:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course you can. I'm pretty sure we're on different continents, but that's the beauty of the internet! There's no rush on Lily- I'm not in a hurry to get an FA star but it would be nice to get a bit of feedback for when I actually have time to do anything with it! HJ Mitchell  |  Penny for your thoughts?   21:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about me not replying yesterday, I was dealing with an article I have doubts with, and I had a tough class assignment, very strange day yesterday. Cool, then I'll refer to you as my bud, and stuff. ;) Yes we are. I'm in the US, in sin city, and your in lovely England... I hope. Don't worry, I'll leave some comments at the PR, I was going to try and do that yesterday, but couldn't. So, I guess Tony's comments have been resolved. Casliber did a great job with his tweaks. -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  15:38, 25 March 2010 (UTC)