User talk:HSIEteacher

HSIEteacher (talk) 09:06, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

a bite
Hi there

Locality talk pages are not a point or location or place to introduce and or delineate policies that are not from wikipedia, but external claims to authority. Also Mr Ames is neither a spokesperson for the wider Australian editing community in any way, he is, like all of us, just another editor, with no apparent qualification in anything to do with dealing with Indigenous history, apart from being an enthusiast for a serious stickler for grammatical pedantry, and a very extensive knowledge of the WP:MOS wikipedian rules and many obscure recommendations. The australian editing community does not have Bedford, Western Australia talk page on their watch list. If you understand the issue - https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-30&pages=Bedford,_Western_Australia - that could be mitch's fan club, or anyone - we never know who the watchers are, the usual readership before your conversation shows that it is a relatively innocoous unwatched locations.

It is important to understand that repeatedly many editors over time have arrived at the oddest locations and subjects with a mission to convert wikipedia into a range of perspectives in relation to words and ways of experssion to be used as to the history and relationships between europeans and indigenous peoples, and less so between various indigenous groups.

You are neither the first or the last, and it is important to understand that there are range of editors from a range of unknown backgrounds who have had a range of experiences in their missions. It is important to understand what WP:ABOUT and WP:NOT basically emphasises that wikipedia is not a soapbox, but an online encyclopedia, although some enthusiasts for change show a very limited understanding of how long and how protracted some aspects of modification of terminology of practices might take. It is not an overnight process. Most editors who enter into the mission to convert usages as found, have axes,

and anxieties that show through with editing that simply attracts attention and

in many cases does not improve wikipedia. So, if you have WP:AGF - take your problem to the Australian notice-board, and do not expect easy transactions with other editors. You really want to do something, that is a lot to wear. There is a very large range of articles about things to do with the subject, and if you have a clear understanding of 'precedence', to start a change, could or maybe not involve a very large number of articles - and very few editors the slightest interested in doing clean ups - so there are many unknowns regarldess the outcome of your mission. Please do not go to personal talk pages with things like this - the only place for such a global/universal suggestion - is the national notice board. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board

I will not answer anything about this, as I have a range of issues with current editors in relation to the subjects you raise, and have no interest to interact.

Have fun, but please stay away from specific localities or editors talk pages -

the national noticeboard is the best if you wish to pursue the issue further. JarrahTree 11:32, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Guidelines and Protocols for Appropriate Terminologies for Indigenous Australian content
You mentioned guidelines/protocols etc, so you might be interested in: and their talk pages. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Australia/Draft style guide1
 * WikiProject Australia/Conventions/Indigenous draft

further comment

 * Noting that at the most - the material was worked upon and is about a year old, and there are many other locations from over fifteen years of conversations, arguments and deliberations in many other parts of wikipedia, dont let the capital letters of the topic heading mislead you.

Also it is not something that was ever presented to the wider editing community to establish and or seek consensus to assert as a general editing guideline - despite Mr Mitchs liking for the usage of capital letters, as his method of claim to authority appears to be, but which in reality is simply very partial snapshot. The depth of the earlier debates in some cases are not as developed as the items offered.

Three or so editors at the most, and mainly the work of one editor, it is establishing something that could be discussed further or acted upon, if the editing community was larger and more active. However, many editors who wish to make assertions about some part of the the full range of material about Indigenous life and history, are irregular or low level editors. Many parts of material relating to the indigenous population in Australia are in articles that do not identify the specific content, and many of the articles about the languages, history and population have not been systematically maintained or worked upon, as many editors have very limited range of focus, either by state, region or even locality.

If you had Bedford in mind as your main focus, all of this is way out of scope. If you had Australia in mind, the links Mr Mitch offered, are a very brief snapshot of a much more complex subject... If you have problems after reading the items given in the links, the Australian noticeboard really is the best way to go, as the local and side pages simply do not catch the broader editing communities notice. Noting very carefully, that it is all partial, we are only volunteers here, there is always the chance that to assert that we know anything about anything might be misleading, specially in the dynamic world of Indigenous knowledge - working through the literature about Native Title, Law and Indigenous knowledge is hardly an overnight and dadah - solved task  JarrahTree 15:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Mr Mitchs liking for the usage of capital letters, as his method of claim to authority appears to be — The capital letters are simply because I copy/pasted from HSIEteacher's post that I mentioned and linked to in my post. They make no claim to authority. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


 * mimicking others usages can be somewhat misleading - and is potentially giving the reader the sense that such an entity exists (which it does not) JarrahTree 01:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Not sure how to insert the indented replies (yet)
I appreciate the new resources, thank you to both! I'm not following everything that's been said, as there seems to be a lot of history about this community and your interactions with each other over this site.

I wish to assert: I like to ensure terminology and content about Indigenous peoples, in any article I come across while undertaking my Wikipedia course, is appropriate and balanced. I hope my skills and knowledge from my university experience conribute to Wikipedia not being another 'unbalanced' encyclopaedia (this regards: entirely biased European sources and ways of referring to Indigenous content, such as the histories of Indigenous groups). This isn't me aiming to create a soap box or trying to promote anything-- I'm just another contributor with the access + ability to bring the 'dual perspectives' or 'shared histories/knowledges' for current/modern/present information.

I really like the look of the two Wikipedia guidelines for Indigenous cultures-- one of the links includes a lot of outlines from govt bodies. I don't see a lot made for/by Western Australians, but that's okay, national and inter-state guidelines will be 'good' too-- I'm glad there is a compilation of the important terminology there.

Thanks for the links to the noticeboard-- I hope I won't need to venture through it for any issues! I don't understand what the final replies about capitalisation or identity impersonation are exactly referring to, but it sounds like it was clarified between you both. So... alright. Not sure if any further action from me is needed!

You'll hear/read from me soon, I'm sure. I'll be highly active on this site until the end of the semester (June). HSIEteacher (talk) 05:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The help page explaining how to indent replies is . Mitch Ames (talk) 06:36, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This is amazing, thank you! HSIEteacher (talk) 06:41, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia guideline that suggests that the talk page heading ("Not sure how to insert the indented replies (yet)" in this case) should match the topic being discussed (resources, interactions between editors, general stuff about improving content, but no mention of indenting) is WP:TALKHEADING - "Make the heading clear and specific as to the article topic discussed: It should be clear from the heading which aspect of the article (template, etc.) you wish to discuss". Mitch Ames (talk) 06:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Terminology
Hi and a belated welcome to you. I see that you have shown some interest in terminology around Indigenous Australians, so am just pinging you here to let you that I am trying to revive and get the style guide off the ground. If you would like to participate in the discussion, please have a look at the recent posts on this page and offer any opinions, criticisms or comments that occur to you. (I have also noticed that you don't have one of those welcome panels with lots of useful links, so I will use the script that creates one after saving this - if you don't want it, of course you are free to delete it!)  Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:10, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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