User talk:Habeebah

{Shon Brooks} Hello,

I have completely rewrote my article on Shon Brooks and made all the necessary changes on my Userdraft page. I have added several more sources to confirm my article. I have attempted to move it to the main page but was not successful. Please advise.
 * The reason you were unsuccessful, and what you can do now, is explained at WP:SALT. Regards--   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 14:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted.

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Shon Brooks

Please remove the

I have added additional sources.


 * You clearly aren't paying any attention at all because
 * The article was deleted yesterday.
 * It was protected, so it can never be created again without an administrator's intervention.
 * I told you this at the bottom of this page, the same place where I told you that you were creating confusion by writing your notes here in the middle of this page, and yet here you are, doing it again.
 * You have not added anything to the article since I wrote to you last, because the article no longer exists, and you have also not made any changes to the draft of the article that you have on your user page, or the one that was made into a subpage at User:Habeebah/Shon Brooks. Please do not try to waste our time by telling us you have made changes that you haven't made.
 * Everything else I could possibly give you as an explanation, I already wrote here at the bottom of this page, followed by comments from JohnCD. —Largo Plazo (talk) 00:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Shon Brooks


The article Shon Brooks has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Cited sources do not verify that this person meets Wikipedia's notability criteria.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Shon Brooks
A tag has been placed on Shon Brooks requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. mhking (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Shon Brooks


The article Shon Brooks has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable entrepreneur, see e.g. Google News archive.  No evidence his "tv show" exists or is legitimately notable, see also his lack of entry at IMDb.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 03:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you meant in your edit summary by indicating that there is no problem demonstrating notability of this person. The article you created has lots of links, but as far as I can see, none of them is to a reliable independent source.  Removing all of the links except the newspaper articles, magazine articles, and books about Shon Brooks would make it easier to find them, if they're there.  Links to PR pieces just make the article look like an advertisement.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 03:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Shon Brooks
I have nominated Shon Brooks, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Shon Brooks. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
A More Perfect Onion (talk) 17:13, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Shon Brooks
A tag has been placed on Shon Brooks requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. —Largo Plazo (talk) 16:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Your new request to restore Shon Brooks
It looks like Shon Brooks was already restored (apparently at your request) on February 3, and it was deleted again on February 9 following a full deletion discussion, after six days during which I'm guess the article remained under par. My suggestion at this point is to read the discussion, and then see if you can write a draft article in your user space (for example, at User:Habeebah/Shon Brooks) so that it addresses all the problems that led to the earlier version's deletion. When you're done with that, you can move it, or ask to have it moved, to the main article space.

If you need to get a hold of the earlier version's text to work with, ask User_talk:Cirt, the admin who deleted the article, to userfy it (that is, put a copy in your user space). —Largo Plazo (talk) 16:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I see you posted the article, perhaps with revisions, without fixing any of the problems that led to its deletion the first time, and then asked again for advice on the article's talk page. In case you don't see it before it's deleted, here's what I responded there:


 * My advice is that you read WP:Articles for deletion/Shon Brooks, as I already suggested to you before you posted the article this time, and see there what the problems are that need to be fixed. Specifically, see guidelines about reliable sources and biographies of living persons. It's entirely possible, though, that there isn't any way to fix the article. If Shon Brooks doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability requirements, then there can't be an article at all, no matter how you write it. Holding a patent or trademark does not make a person notable, so there is no need to investigate the USPTO website. Nor does being listed in a vanity Who's Who.


 * —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Shon Brooks
The advice just above is good. To spell out what is required to establish notability, you have to show "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones, directories where you get in by paying, anything based on press releases. What needs to be shown is that people independent of him have thought him interesting and important enough to write about. More details in WP:Notability (people), and good general advice in WP:Your first article.

Your present draft at User:Habeebah/Shon Brooks is nowhere near that. The only references are:
 * http://www.imbd.me/shonbrooks.com - seems to be a deadlink; IMDb is doubtful anyway as a reliable source because users can add content
 * uspto.gov - I don't find any mention of him; and just holding a patent is not notable
 * wgawregistry.org - shows no mention of him, and just being a member of WGA is not notable
 * an associate director of the US Olympic Committee wrote to him about athletes appearing on his show
 * he's in Stanford Who's Who, but that does not seem a very selective organization, judging by the way their website urges you to apply:
 * "'There are many worthy candidates on their way to becoming leaders in their respective fields who can benefit from membership. Do not be discouraged from applying if you have not reached your end career goal or are still establishing yourself in your profession. ENROLL'"

It may be that he simply is not notable in our sense, in which case rewriting will not help. For a notable subject, I would expect to find much more than these searches show:

Once the article has been deleted at an AfD discussion, you can't just keep putting it back in. If you think you can improve it to meet the requirements, you should first do that, then approach the administrator who closed the AfD, user, and see if he agrees that your draft is ready for the main article space. If you cannot convince him, you can take it to WP:Deletion review.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Your latest attempts
I see that above you've made a plea (in the middle of this page instead of at the end--did you not want anyone to see it?) reading, "Please bring this page back due to Mr. Brooks is highly notable and I have added new references."

I'm looking at the version of the article that you've put on your main user page, User:Habeebah. Here is a summary of the references you've added:
 * A page at the Career Builder site that doesn't mention him.
 * Proof that he has registered a trademark. Anybody can register a trademark.
 * A page from his own website, which is not an independent, unbiased reliable source.
 * Another page from his own website.
 * A link to the members' login page of the Writer's Guild of America. Presumably, you mean this to prove that he is a member of the WGA. All this means is that he is a writer who has joined the WGA. It doesn't indicate notability.
 * Another page from his own website.
 * A press release that means nothing beyond being evidence that he joined a vanity Who's Who registry and that they fulfilled their promise to write a press release for him.
 * Proof that the Better Business Bureau has a file on his business. Having a business isn't an indication of notability, nor is being in the BBB's files.
 * Another page from his own website.
 * An advertisement for his own financial business. Advertising one's own business isn't a sign of notability.
 * Publicity material for his clothing business. Again, advertising one's own business isn't a sign of notability.
 * Proof that he is licensed to sell life and health insurance. Being an insurance agent doesn't make one notable.
 * More proof that he is licensed to sell insurance.
 * Another page from his own website.
 * Evidence that he has a show, but only because it shows that someone agreed to be interviewed for it, not because it consists of significant coverage in a reliable source.
 * A page explaining the Certified Retirement Specialist designation, with no mention of him.
 * A page explaining the Master Certified Retirement Specialist designation, with no mention of him.
 * Another page showing that CRS can stand for "Certified Retirement Specialist". However, there is no rule that says, "If CRS can be shown to stand for 'Certified Retirement Specialist', then Shon Brooks is notable."
 * A claim that he is listed on the Internet Movie Database, but the only thing I can find there is a resume he posted there himself.

Unfortunately, not one item on this list carries any indication of notability.

I want to emphasize: notability of a person, for Wikipedia purposes, is determined based on the guidelines at WP:BIO. Repeatedly insisting on his notability will carry no weight, nor will a million links that don't lead to significant coverage in unbiased, independent, reliable sources.

At this point the title "Shon Brooks" has been protected, so you won't be able to create an article under that title any more, unless your article improves substantially and you are able to persuade an administrator to remove the protection. As for the copy of the article on your user page, it really comes across as an advertisement for Mr. Brooks, and as such I think you'll need to remove it, because even on your user page, Wikipedia can't be used to promote anybody or anything. —Largo Plazo (talk) 04:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have really nothing to add to all the advice given above, except to emphasis that what is required is significant coverage from independent sources; as you have not been able to find any after so much effort, perhaps you just have to accept that Mr Brooks is not notable in Wikipedia's sense. There are many other sites that would accept articles about him - see WP:Alternative outlets. JohnCD (talk) 10:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Habeebah
A tag has been placed on User:Habeebah, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. —Largo Plazo (talk) 16:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Habeebah/Shon brooks
A tag has been placed on User:Habeebah/Shon brooks, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Shon Brooks


Hello, Habeebah. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Shon Brooks".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Dolotta (talk) 18:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)