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Page blanking warning
Please do not remove messages from your talk page. Talk pages exist as a record of communication, and in any case, comments are available through the page history. You're welcome to archive your talk page, but be sure to provide a link to any deleted comments. Thanks. --HarryCane 12:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha! Thanks for the 'warning' Hackajar 12:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to remove warning messages from your talk page, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --HarryCane 12:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

P!atD query
Look, if you take a look at the suggestion I made on Talk:Panic! at the Disco, that was a whole day before you voted on the The_Only_Difference_Between_Martyrdom_And_Suicide_Is_Press_Coverage deletion debate. And even if it wasn't, I couldn't care less what for or if at all you voted. If you would also look at my contributions history, I reverted your edits to the Panic! at the Disco article before I even took a look at your talk page and saw you blanked it &mdash; I didn't even know you voted on the deletion debate. Not because of my so-called "disinterest in one user", but because you made a whole mess of the discography, I reverted your changes. Here are some of your mistakes:
 * "#24 Australia" shouldn't be in the column U.K. album-chart position
 * A general mistake Hackajar 13:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * excessive overlinking of years
 * Comes with the template Hackajar 13:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * excessive overlinking of A Fever You Can't Sweat Out
 * Really? Hackajar 13:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * why making a U.S. and U.K. sales column with no content?
 * Did you ever think that I was doing research currently? I could see you reverting after no content over 2 hours or so!  Do I need to put a "this article is being worked on" warning just for YOU?  This is the first time I've ran across a user as active as you, yet lacking in understanding of wiki media! Hackajar 13:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * you made a seperate section for "Other Charts" (which btw shouldn't be capitalised), thus listing every single twice, even though "Lying Is the Most Fun a Girl Can Have without Taking Her Clothes Off" didn't chart on any other charts
 * See above, still working on getting information! Hackajar 13:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Please understand, I did none of these edits to spite you, only to constructively add to the article's appearance and clarity. If you want to make these kinds of changes, you need to discuss it on the talk page first, especially when a discussion concerning the matter has already been started. --HarryCane 12:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * First off, just to be clear, what template are you talking about that automatically pipe-links the years (against Wikipedia guidelines, see WP:PIPE), because there is none on the Panic! at the Disco page? Also, how am I supposed to know that you are still working on the article, when your last edit summary reads "Final Cleanup"? I'm sorry that you haven't encountered a dedicated and thorough editor in your five months of active editing, yet I don't know what you mean when you say I'm "lacking in understanding of wiki media". Still, if you're going to make a table for the singles (like in the example pages you listed), please stick to your choice. Don't make another list with all the singles below the table. That's just bad style, not "standard chart format", at least none of your examples uses it. Either include all chart positions, or omit unnotable ones, but don't make two lists. And as for the "point-of-view" spam: The uncited two paragraphs in the lead section you added, on how the band's "popularity is bound by temporality, market hype and transient popular trends" and so on &mdash; full of weasel words and definitely POV.
 * WTF is this? not my edit! Hackajar 15:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The link I posted --> <-- begs to differ. --HarryCane 16:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This is due to YOUR revert that crap got cought up in my discog edits. I could care less about their looks, only wikify to article Hackajar 16:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, regarding what you wrote on my talk page, who said you were "some snooty wiki squatter"? And why am I supposed to google your name? To see that you are a hacker? Are you trying to intimidate me? --HarryCane 15:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Buhahahha...OK I'm done, no, not that "I'm a hacker", that you should give me a little more credit then a 2nd year college student at German University that can't keep a punk band togeather long enough to make any good music Hackajar 15:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That really made me laugh. You seriously have too much time on your hands. There are loads of google hits on harrycane, including a German DJ, some Arabic and Russian sites, if you digged deep enough, who knows maybe you'll find a porn site, you seriously think that's all me? --HarryCane 16:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Federline
The problem with protecting it is that it would be a preemptive protect, which is used in very rare circumstances (i.e. Colbert). Protection is meant to stop an issue that is growing grossly out of control. Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan, and other articles deal with more vandalism but are still unprotected. Part of this has to do with the amount of "eyes" watching it. I've added this page to my watchlist and will protect if a serious issue is approaching. Thanks, Yank  sox  11:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's no problem. Protection is a pretty controversal issue, and is supposed to be used sparingly. Again, if you need anything drop a message. Yank  sox  11:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Hackajar 11:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hackajar- Please source your edits. What agent with terrorist ties did DCI Deutch get credit for dropping?

No more Panicking at the Disco
Hackajar said: Thanks for your help with fixing the Ryan Ross page!

No worries, all it required was a reversion, which in any administrator's hands is easy enough. :D It's looking good now. Bobo. 17:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Wali Khan
Hi Thanks for the suggestions about the wali khan article. where do i pase the bio template on to the article..does it matter if there are already two templates in the piece?

Thanks

--Zak 20:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! for your help on the piece!

--Zak 17:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Mediation at Panic! at the Disco
Hi - I'm the mediator who has taken the case Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-09-03 Panic! at the Disco genre. I started the mediation last night at the talk page but didn't get to leave a message here first - sorry about that.

After reading the talk page today, however, it's possible that mediation isn't necessary. I assumed HarryCane had left the message at the top of the talk page saying "Currently Being Mediated" – because his was the first signature under it – when in fact that was you, adding comments above and below HarryCane's comment and signature. (Don't do that anymore, please, because it can lead to the wrong conclusion. I've put an tag there for clarification.) This led me to believe that HarryCane wanted to participate in the mediation.

My first step was to ask everyone to name sources that each thinks is verifiable and reliable – not a cite of specific references to the band or its genre, but just the source in general, like Rolling Stone for example. I did this because that's what your mediation request was about and it's a logical first step to determine what is a good source and what isn't. Then we'll move on to a discussion of those sources and so forth. Again, your request was about what is and is not a reliable source, so that's where I began.

At any rate, you'll see on the talk page that HarryCane does not want to participate in mediation. Also, there seems to be an agreement now putting the genre at "Power pop". Based on these events, do you still want to move forward with mediation? I'd appreciate it if you'd leave a message on my talk page or at the 'Mediation' section of the article talk page. I certainly don't want to disrupt any agreement that has been made. Thanks. Baseball Baby  02:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello again – Based on your response, I will close the mediation case and remove the tag from the lead section of the article. (I did some cleanup and copyediting of the article the other day, too.) If you feel like mediation is necessary again, feel free to open a new case.
 * The good (and awful) thing about Wikipedia is that discussion participants decide among themselves the best and worst sources for genre, quotes, news, and the like. That's why I began with asking each of you to give examples of what each of you consider to be verifiable sources. There's no right or wrong answer – one website may be more reliable than another, a published interview may be worthless because of the circumstances of the interview, and so forth. Australian users may have access to sources that are unavailable in Europe, so how do Europeans learn about such a source and vice versa? I really, really doubt that there will ever be an official policy or procedure to designate sources as reliable or not. So it's up to us to muddle through and talk about it with others, until we either reach some kind of consensus or compromise. I agreed with the suggestion to use a variation of the statement about the Red Hot Chili Peppers, because some variation of that is probably where we would have ended up with this mediation.
 * Thanks for the message, and let us know if you need assistance or have questions. Happy editing - Baseball  Baby  07:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Friedrich Hayek
About your request for assessment, the class has been completed. However, the importance thing dosen't appear to be in use. Just letting you know. Green caterpillar 21:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:BIO
I don't think you meant WP:BIO when you linked to it in this edit summary. Possibly a WP:MOS derivative, but not the "notability" guideline. Cheers, Ans e ll  11:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ryan Ross.jpg
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Thank you!
It was so sweet of you to help out the The Vincent Black Shadow Page! I really appreciated it and you did a masterful job with it too. The only thing I'll end up doing is adding more info., maybe a little more on the musical style (some good CD reviews, etc.) and see if I can expand on that history. Thank you so much again. Stupidhumanzz 02:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Chowbok RfC
I have begun RfC procedures for User:Chowbok. Since you've had previous disputes with him about image uploads, maybe you'd like to add your commentary? TheQuandry 03:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use
I agree totally with your comments regarding "fair use" images. If the image(s) in question have been released by a PR department, how does it violate fair use, especially when a free alternative can not be located? There definitely needs to be clarification on this issue. I am frustrated by the "WikiGestapo" who troll around randomly tagging images for deletion; an action for which there seems to be no recourse. --OneCyclone 03:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh oh
Actually, I think he's had that up there all along. I still don't think it provides for a policy of tag and delete, but it was up there. TheQuandry 04:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Huh?
Hi... maybe because it's really late and I'm tired, but I honestly don't get the point of your comment. Can you clarify? Are you saying that my link to Robth's explanation is rude? It's not intended to be, but if you have a suggestion about how I could rephrase it let me know. Also let me know if I'm totally missing the point. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  06:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your clarification. I'm too sleepy to give it the attention it deserves currently (it's very late where I am), but I will look it over carefully and give you my thoughts on it tomorrow. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  07:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:CassandraFord.jpg
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Reply
I have no idea. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  05:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

YouTube link RfC
I've filed an RfC over the YouTube link issue. Feel free to join in. Argyriou (talk) 23:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

New page
This has just shown up. Badagnani 04:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Vote
See Elimination of Fair Use Rationale in Promotional Photos/Vote Badagnani 20:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Fair Use Talk
That leaves us in an hypocritical position that we are trying to correct. You notice how much discussion we are having just trying to remove promotional images from persons alive, imagine the uproar if tomorrow we use a bot to speedy delete all fair use images. We focus in a single and easy target, and move from there. We need to educate editors that Fair use was an exception and not the rule, that it is time to dismiss it, and that it is a pure philosophical matter. -- ReyBrujo 05:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said somewhere earlier, I agree with the concept but not the approach: the purge should have started from articles with the most revisions, since those are either the ones with the most editors, or the ones about topics that are easily accessible for everyone. However, I am guessing the "all or nothing" approach was taken to finish this as quickly as possible. Users will complain, others will leave, others will fight back. But since this is a philosophical subject, as I mentioned above, two things are sure: this cannot be negotiable, and there is no going back. If for every article with 10 active editors, just one tries to search for a free image to replace the five or six deleted, I guess a good half of the articles would get a free image. Some articles will be hurt harder than others: fictional articles and those about songs and albums, as it is not possible to obtain a free cover or free character drawing. That is why these have been kept for the future. In the end, I hope this will a) make the community tighter, as only those who do understand freedom will stay, and b) impulse Commons to a higher level, as now users would be forced to search for free images. -- ReyBrujo 06:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)