User talk:Hagar333

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Happy editing! Kevin ( aka L235 · t · c) 08:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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September 2020
Hello, I'm BrownHairedGirl. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Franklin Cox, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. ''This is biography of a living person. Please stop adding unsourced content.''   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:05, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Please do not remove content that is accurate that other users put in. Information about articles, page numbers, etc. was requested and I put that in. Do not remove it.Hagar333 (talk) 07:10, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * You are completely wrong. All of the information is accurate. Do not remove accurate information.Hagar333 (talk) 07:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * If you want to contest the information, look up the publisher and page number information yourself. You'll see that your claim that the information is wrong is wrong.Hagar333 (talk) 07:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hagar, see WP:V and WP:BLP. The information must be cited to reliable sources. If you add unsourced info again, I will escalate this. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please note that your comment citations not needed if one is a cello professor in the US, as practically all perform Classical music on a regular basis. has no basis in policy. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Your information is wrong. Look up the publisher information yourself. The information posted is factually correct.Hagar333 (talk) 07:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Even if you believe the info is correct, you must use inline citations to reliable sources. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I have reported BrownHairedGirl.

You are completely wrong. Information was requested, and I provided 100% accurate information.

The version of the page that is up right now is a mess and is hopelessly outdated. You are insisting that the page remain a mess and hopelessly outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hagar333 (talk • contribs) 07:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hagar, I have given you links to the relevant policies, and an invitation to the Teahouse.
 * You can either go to the Teahouse to ask for help on how to do this properly, or you can continue as you are now doing. I would much prefer that you learnt how to this properly, but if you choose to just denounce me, you can see where that ends up. Feel free to report me wherever you like. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I do not have time to learn Wikipedia code or to take part in fantasy world discussions.

Go to the Wolke Verlag web page and check the page numbers and journal titles and article titles for yourself. That's what took me hours to do. The information was requested, and I provided it.

Look at the article dates--they are over a decade out of date. I provided articles published since then. I separated out occasional pieces from major articles. This is what scholars do.

You are acting like a bully, and you are blocking accurate information.
 * Hi Hagar333. I can tell this is a really frustrating experience for you, and I'm sorry about that. I wish we had the resources to make this more friendly, but our entire operations – including review and editing – is volunteer work and that means often we can't do as much as we'd like to help with sourcing. While we really appreciate your contributions and think they're valuable, they do have to be encyclopedic and sourced inline due to the stringent requirements for biographies of living people. Please, see the Teahouse for questions; frustrating as it may be, it's also really rewarding to continue to contribute. I notice there's a welcome message from 2007 up above; I'll leave a more modern one with more links with info. Hope this helps, Kevin ( aka L235 · t · c) 08:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * One other thing: your contributions aren't gone; they're archived in the page history, and they're not going to be lost. It just takes a little bit of work to get it to the sourcing requirements for biographies, and the links above (especially the Teahouse) will help a lot with that. Kevin ( aka L235 · t · c) 08:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but incorrect information and requests for missing information (page numbers, etc.) were up on this page for many years. Look how old some of these requests for corrections were--2009 or so. Why was it not urgent to provide all the missing information for ten years? The moment I provided the information requested, BrownHairedGirl took it down. This is really aggressive, nasty behavior.

Why not leave it up and put a request in for corrections, etc? I can't edit easily when the information is in some other place. I don't live in Wikipedia world. You can't expect everyone to just pick up all of your secret codes. Act collegially.

Just please put the information back up, put in your requests, and I'll try to provide information. But when you remove information, it just feels like I've wasted ten hours or so--and I don't have the time to waste. I'll just remove the page if this isn't resolved quickly.

And BrownHairedGirl falsely claimed that I threatened her.

This is what BrownHairedGirl wrote: "Hagar, see WP:V and WP:BLP. The information must be cited to reliable sources. If you add unsourced info again, I will escalate this. --"

She falsely claimed that I made a threat, which I didn't. She clearly made a threat. In fact, she made several.

Page numbers were requested. I provided page numbers. Do I have to put a footnote down (i.e., "cite") the publisher page where I got the page numbers?

Please, I've published ten books and fifty-some academic articles. I know citation protocol. If you demand that I footnote the publisher site where I got the page numbers, you don't understand citation protocol. Some publishers don't have a website with all of this information. You have to go to the physical copy and look up the page numbers.

Here's how you make an academic citation: the author of a book or article puts down the publisher information and the page numbers of the article. Period. That's what I did.

BrownHairedGirl took down professionally cited information. That is wrong and unprofessional.

This is an interesting article by a great novelist that perhaps some of you "administrators" should read.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-open-letter-to-wikipedia?fbclid=IwAR2r4JKCIzp9AFgwzMriSxIG1jkawfzbNsm6I9j--x8ogxkb34iKvtb1v_c

I posted three additional books. These were removed. Do you believe these books don't exist?

Page numbers were requested for articles. I provided page numbers. you removed what I added.

You folks are really out of line.Hagar333 (talk) 17:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I can go back to the last completed edit before BrownHairedGirl eliminated several days' worth of work, but I can't edit the individual areas in this last completed edit. That means if I re-post it, I'll have to put in all the formatting commands again from scratch. Hagar333 (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)