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The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon
Hi. The The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon is planned for March 2020, a contest/editathon to eliminate as many stubs as possible from all 134 counties. Amazon vouchers/book prizes are planned for most articles destubbed from England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland and Northern Ireland and whoever destubs articles from the most counties out of the 134. Sign up on page if interested in participating, hope this will prove to be good fun and productive, we have over 44,000 stubs!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:35, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Public art in New York City
Thanks for weighing in. I've forked out standalone lists for Brooklyn and Manhattan. The other boroughs can be forked out sooner or later. None of these lists are great quality, but I'm thinking long term... Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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Richard Coeur de Lion (statue)
Before I submit a move request, I'm curious which title you think is best at Talk:Richard Coeur de Lion (statue). Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:37, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'll try to look into this tonight (GMT), or by the end of the week at the very latest. It would either be Equestrian statue of Richard I or no change from Richard Coeur de Lion (statue), depending on how much evidence there is for the latter as the WP:COMMONNAME. Cheers, Ham II (talk) 08:49, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Guy the Gorilla statue - Crystal Palace
Morning Ham - I’m looking to do this article but we seem to be missing a photo. And not sure which London Borough I should place it in if I added it to the List of wanted photos. We’ve a few of the one at London Zoo, but not the CP one. Neither does Geograph, as far as I can see. Any thoughts? KJP1 (talk) 08:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi ! Fear not; we've got a decent photo from Flickr here, which I've now put in commons:Category:Guy the Gorilla. Here's the Historic England listing, which tells us that Bromley is the borough – and that the title is Gorilla. Ham II (talk) 09:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * You're a star! This one's for all the incredible work you've done on the London Public Art portal. So, shall we have Gorilla (statue) / Gorilla (sculpture) or one of those with Bromley or Crystal Palace? KJP1 (talk) 09:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Gorilla (sculpture) works for me, and there are 13 other articles with that style at the London public art project; note especially Bull (sculpture). Ham II (talk) 08:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Public art in Washington, D.C.
This is everything. Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My pleasure! Ham II (talk) 11:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

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Arthur Sullivan Memorial
Hi Ham - not a biggie but I put VEG in as there are at least two more in London alone - the one at the Savoy and the one in St Paul's. I strongly suspect there are others, in the UK and internationally. So we may have to disambiguate sometime. But your call. KJP1 (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi – I checked WP:D2D before making the move, and it says that disambiguation becomes necessary when there is "more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead". As I read it, that means that the existence of other articles (or the likelihood of ones being created in the future) – not the existence of other topics with the same name or description – is the determinining factor. And I can't really see the one in St Paul's getting its own article, to be honest; church monuments in Britain do seem to be rather under-covered here (except for Equestrian statue of Edward Horner, an FA) and I don't think that Sullivan's one would be in the top bracket of notability. What's the Savoy one – is it the Savoy Hotel Centenary Memorial? (But that's in Victoria Embankment Gardens, too.) I also couldn't find any others elsewhere. Ham II (talk) 09:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Morning Ham - No problem. You'll know the policy better than I. In addition to St P, and the Savoy, which as you say is in VEG, there's definitely a plaque on the site of the hotel in New York where he wrote some of Pirates, and I think there's another in Australia, not to be confused with this chap's, Arthur Sullivan V.C.. Being the contrary soul that I am, I shall probably go and write up the St.Paul's Memorial! But it will have to wait as I'm doing a Staffordshire church by England's first woman architect. Hope you're keeping well. KJP1 (talk) 09:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ha ha! No objection whatsoever to your creating an article on the St Paul's monument. I had a look for free images; if we could find one it would be a wonderful addition to the coverage of Goscombe John's work on Crotos. Ham II (talk) 10:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What a gorgeous site! I’d not seen that before. I have a weakness for Goscombe John. Spending my schooldays in Monmouth, I encountered his Charles Stewart Rolls on a daily basis. I shall see what I can do next time (whenever that will be???) I’m in the vicinity of St Pauls. KJP1 (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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Leonardo Paintings and associated pages
Ham II,

I really appreciate your edits to the pages I've been working on so far. (La Scapigliata, Portrait of a Musician and List of works by Leonardo da Vinci – the formatting in the dating notes especially looks great) I have big plans for Leonardo's works on Wikipedia and am working on his List of works with the intention of getting it to be a featured list some day – although a lot more work has to be done. I have to say that I don't agree with the indentation of the sources section, almost every page I have visited does not do that so I would prefer to keep it without the indentations. It is nice to see that someone else is checking in on these pages so if you ever find a major error, or inconsistency in the work I am doing, please don't hesitate to let me know. I am armed with a ton of books on Leonardo and should be able to address the issue! Best - Aza24 (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for this, but I'm afraid I'm not an admin on cywiki. Have you contacted anyone else there? I'm trying to work out a solution in this sandbox (shortened URL for the mobile version: https://w.wiki/U3r) but I haven't got very far. I don't know whether any of us at cywiki have the coding knowledge to fix this, so we might be asking for help. I've notified the admins at Y Caffi (the village pump) here. Ham II (talk) 09:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't. Unfortunately my Welsh is nowhere near good enough to convey the message in the language, you were the first person I saw who was active both here and there. My coding skills are even worse than my Welsh skills so I'm not the best person to ask for advice! Thryduulf (talk) 10:02, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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Move of Round House, Inglehsam
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The Sculpture Barnstar

 * Thank you so much – this is too kind! Ham II (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #3


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Have you a picture of Les A? I've searched on commons, but can't find one! Put £5 on red for me if you go there... No Swan So Fine (talk) 18:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Funny you should ask! Ham II (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

I think Rosa Klebb can finish him off through that top floor window! No Swan So Fine (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Leo
Thank you again for your comments at FAC. It makes me feel a lot better about the work I'm doing/plan to do that there is someone who knows Leonardo and has access to many sources whose able to advise, help and improve anything of his I'm working on. I'll be sure to invite you to PRs in the future, so that we can discuss things without the pressure of an FAC (which Gog has reminded us seem to have to stick to a pretty quick pace!). Also, I have recently been gifted this by a friend... which is remarkable to say the least... should bring some interesting things in the future...! Also, while I'm here, what do you think about splitting the medium and size info in List of works by Leonardo da Vinci to two different columns? The list it self still needs a bit of work, especially the lead and after the major works section, but I would think separating medium and size would create better and more logical sorbability. Aza24 (talk) 21:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. Your musical knowledge has really given the article a level of depth it would otherwise lack. I definitely agree about Peer Reviews, and I was going to suggest the same myself; I'd suggest having them after Good Article reviews rather than before, so that FAC standards can be applied – but at a more relaxed pace, as you said. Sorry I never spotted the Musician's Peer Review – though in honesty I would have been too busy in April to do anything about it.


 * Very jealous of you for having the Bambach – I didn't think Leonardo monographs could get any more enormous than her 2003 Met exhibition catalogue (which you seem to know about)! I agree that separating date and medium on the list of works would be better. Of course, this would have the effect of squeezing the prose in the final column even further. I personally would be in favour of having a second row for attribution status spanning the columns for other details – something a bit like this (the only example I could find). This could be sacrificing sortability for the sake of legibility, but there do seem to be featured lists which aren't sortable. Ham II (talk) 15:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The multi-column split is a good idea, I've done it on some lists like List of operas by Claudio Monteverdi. And I would agree that it makes more sense to have the attribution closer to the painting, after all if people are looking at the list they may be scrolling through so to have it earlier would make clearer a distinction between the attribution of the Mona Lisa with say, Madonna Litta. Aza24 (talk) 23:12, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Looking at your sandbox Leonardo list, I think it can still be sortable, the only thing I'm not sure if can sort is the attribution status row... but it may be possible? With your permission I could give the table mechanics a shot in your sandbox draft... BTW I am slowly working on this which should be interesting, although it will take a while. Aza24 (talk) 09:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Be my guest! I've not been able to get sorting to work myself; I can keep the attribution rows in the right place using, but the use of rowspan is the problem – to quote from further up that Help page, after sorting, the rowspanning cells are cut into rows and their content is repeated. Nice work on the early lost paintings, and I hope you have a merry Christmas! Ham II (talk) 10:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I've now found a way to avoid using rowspan, so that everything's sortable except for attribution status. What do you reckon? Ham II (talk) 10:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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Rare
Great work on Whistler's notorious piece, I've found a JSTOR journal so shall try and expand. I'll hopefully go for GA next year. Seasons greetings! No Swan So Fine (talk) 10:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

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