User talk:Hamiltonstone/Archive 8

Madonna entertainer FAC
Hello Hamilton, thanks for your comments at Featured article candidates/Madonna (entertainer)/archive1. I believe I have addressed most of your comments, except the one about the French Canadian descent, for which I have one question. Will you reconsider going back to the article once more? Much of the structure has been changed, incorporating more direct quotes from Madonna, expansion of the Evita segemnt as well as expanding on the influence of Kabbalah and others. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 09:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your consideration and support. (Moral boost)!  --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 11:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your unfailing good grace and tireless responses in dealing with some very late opposes. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Peggy Rockman Napaljarri GA review
Hi there, I've reviewed Peggy Rockman Napaljarri and placed it on hold. Regards, -- Beloved Freak  17:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, it's passed! -- Beloved Freak  09:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance. I'm thinking some more about the issues you've raised, eg. re names. I'll see what I come up with. regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 10:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Self-identification
Hi, there are quite a few posts by people who are not familiar with the concept as it relates to aboriginality. You may wish to look in and comment. There's been the expected graffiti thrown in, very very quickly reverted I'm pleased to see. Tony  (talk)  09:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, great work on the article - a really impressive read. Secondly, you have much more patience that I have with the questions raised on the talk page! I wish I could remain as rational as you have. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 00:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I just re-read my comment on the talk page. Just so it is clear, my references to "octoroon" were meant to be sarcastic and not in any way a serious suggestion. I hope it came across that way. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 00:48, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * yes, i can assure you that was clear - to me at least! As to remaining polite - my model / reminder was Tony1, who was even more polite than I managed to be. He made a good point - that for some people (perhaps living in countries without Indigenous populations or major ethnic minorities for example?), the idea of "self-identification" may be an unfamiliar one. I actually think that is only partly relevant. But many readers (as distinct from active editors) might also be unfamiliar with key policies and guidelines such as WP:V and WP:RS, and therefore also not understand that the language isn't just chosen by article editors, but is based upon the sources. That helped me (more or less) keep cool. But it wasn't/isn't easy at times. Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 01:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, nice work on handling the talk page. "Hopefully this article will help people understand that not all Indigenous Australians can be found travelling through the desert scrub, chasing goannas, or giving directions to Crocodile Dundee." *applauds* If only it didn't have to be said... Iridia (talk) 02:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Ben Gascoigne lead
I tried a revised version at User:Iridia/Sandbox. See what you think... Iridia (talk) 05:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Better than the current one, but some issues. Can you tell me where you found the "doubled" quote? hamiltonstone (talk) 06:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ref 1, the interview. Iridia (talk) 06:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I replaced it and added a ref to the interview at the relevant point. Please hammer away at it :) Should we ask Malleus to come back and reread the article now? Iridia (talk) 09:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the very nice barnstar! And congratulations on the FA. Great to see the article promoted, after all your hard work in its research and writing. Iridia (talk) 06:26, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

We have survivors
Thanks for your work on History of the ACT  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  00:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

My multiglacier hook at DYK
Thanks for the advice, it is much appreciated! DiverDave (talk) 05:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Susie Bootja Bootja Napaltjarri GA review
Hi, I've reviewed Susie Bootja Bootja Napaltjarri and left a few comments at the review page. Regards, -- Beloved Freak  16:20, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, it's passed! (By the way, you might want to check that I've listed it properly at Good articles; I may have got the names in the wrong order...) Look forward to the next one! :)-- Beloved  Freak  11:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the award, that's very kind! I actually really enjoyed reviewing this one and the one about Peggy Rockman Napaljarri. You're doing great work there. Cheers, -- Beloved Freak  08:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Halkett boat
I have listed the FA status of Halkett boat as needing review. Piano non troppo (talk) 09:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not that I can see... hamiltonstone (talk) 22:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello Hamiltonstone!
Hello Hamiltonstone! At first I want to know how what are infoboxes. I've a big collection of weird facts. How can i contribute them to Wikipedia? I usually create much of my articles at Wikinews. I just try to edit some of the articles at English and Hindi Wikipedia. You can talk to me at Wikinews. And I liked your User Page too! Those userboxes were cool, as much as mine. Regards,--Sainsf&lt;^&gt; (talk) 16:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi hamiltonstone
Hi, I saw you are eligible but have yet to vote in the Picture of the Year contest. Please take part and support your favorite to show appreciation for freely licensed quality content! Btw that's an Australian Hamilton in your name I guess, no? Best Hekerui (talk) 16:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I had gone over the rest, albeit not with a comb, and wanted to support - but it was promoted already at some time in the night :) Congrats! Hekerui (talk) 06:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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Four Award

 * That was fast! Thanks little mountain. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
You're welcome for the review, just doing my job, and I appreciate the barnstar, it made my day. :) -- ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  22:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Paul Kelly (musician)
FAC has been archived, I would still like your thoughts on the material added in response to your review comments. Specifically would you still oppose its nomination? Could you reply at the article's talkpage. Thank you for your original review and I hope a second attempt at FAC will be successful.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Australia
Thanks for your help  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  04:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

kind words
... hey thanks for the kind words about Funerary art! The credit really should go to Johnbod, but I am glad it turned out well. Thanks again!&bull; Ling.Nut 03:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, and I hope you continue to pop in every now and again, retirement notwithstanding. hamiltonstone (talk) 03:11, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Please stay, we need you here. Hekerui (talk) 07:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Possible Creation of WikiProject Tayside and Fife
Hi! It would appear that you are a regular contributor to articles regarding Tayside and Fife. I have proposed the creation of WikiProject Tayside and Fife to improve the quality of all of the articles which fall into the scope of the project. I would hope that you and other contributors would like to indicate their interest in the project. If you would like to join please add your name on WikiProject Council/Proposals/Tayside and Fife. If the project gets a reasonable amount of interest I will create a draft of the WikiProject (after consultation with editors who are interested) in my userspace and then will create the WikiProject. Thank you.  Andrewmc   123  14:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks re: Confirmation bias
Thanks for your helpful suggestions and support vote in the Confirmation bias FAC. I'm a sucker for barnstars. Cheers! MartinPoulter (talk) 11:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

St C's Church
Thanks for your review, and for the pass - much appreciated. Regards, BencherliteTalk 10:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Little Thetford (FAC)
You kindly commented on Little Thetford at FAC, thank you. I believe I have adressed all of your concerns, or tried to, at least. However, I may not have adressed them all to your satisfaction. I would appreciate you taking a look at your convenience --Senra (talk) 17:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your FAC review of Little Thetford. I really appreciate the time you have spent. You have seen the effort I have put in, and I suspect you can gauge how keen I am to see the process through. I notice you have struck as complete your comment commencing "Not sure what others think about the issue, but there is no reference for the following: 'The last public house in Little Thetford...'". However, I sense you are still unhappy. I have reviewed the offending paragraph, and I am prepared to strike the relevant minor details, if it will help. Please advise.


 * I copy here what will be removed..."The Three Horseshoes, now a residential property, was one of seven public houses, known to be within the village boundaries since the mid-19th century. The British Beer and Pub Association estimated in 2001 that "six rural pubs close each week". There was a public house at Little Thetford, the Fish and Duck, situated along the river nearer Stretham; it closed sometime during 2006, and the owning company dissolved on 11 May 2010. There is a combined newsagent, post office, and grocery store in Stretham, 2 miles (3.2 km) south of the village. The one remaining local store is the recumbent bicycle shop, D.Tek, on the main street."


 * --Senra (talk) 19:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Senra, on balance I am happy enough with the work-around solution you have come up with there, so don't delete it. The reason I have struck my oppose but not switched to support is that I haven't properly been through other parts of the article, and I'm a little short on time at present. i still however hope the FAC will succeed. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Minnie Pwerle
Thanks for the changes you've made. I've passed the article, so well done! I just tweaked the birth date in the infobox because the template doesn't seem to like "c.". I just removed the template, I don't know if there's maybe a workaround for it. Regards, -- Beloved Freak  12:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

FAC
I actually routinely review Acdixon's stuff, but I haven't gotten to that one (or indeed any other FAC yet). Actually, I did take a quick look today at yours, and will review it if I get a chance...but in any event, I prefer to avoid tit-for-tat arrangements, since it's a short leap from "you review my article and I'll review yours" to "you support my article and I'll support yours". Thanks for the suggestion, though, and especially for your review. Steve Smith (talk) 01:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To add to that, in my ten FAC attempts, I've never had one archived for lack of reviews, so it's probably only fair that that happen to me sooner or later, considering how often it seems to happen to others. Steve Smith (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Barbara Weir
The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Parity of zero
Hi Hamiltonstone, I hope you aren't too retired. :-) I've made some changes to Parity of zero in line with your comments at Featured article candidates/Parity of zero/archive1. (It's not entirely done; for example, the lead could still use work.)

Could you please drop by Talk:Parity of zero and say if you see an improvement? I'm not looking for another full review at this time; I'm just trying to measure progress.

Thanks, Melchoir (talk) 20:27, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No trouble, I have responded there: hope the brief response is of some help. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Great! I'll have a look when I get the chance. Melchoir (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
Hey, I see that Minnie Pwerle was promoted to FA. Congratulations! :) -- Beloved Freak  20:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Request
Hi, Hamiltonstone, because you're an experienced reviewer and nominator at FAC, I wonder whether you would be able to judge The Signpost's "Choice of the week" at the end of next week's "window", UTC end Friday 20 August. It would mean writing a short statement of your choice and the reasons behind it on Saturday or Sunday. Please let me know. :-) Tony   (talk)  08:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Tony, very nice to be asked and happy to help, but can't if it means doing it exactly then. I'll be mostly offline from UTC Thursday morning to Monday night (Thursday night until Tuesday morning in Oz) I could do it Thursday day in Australia, but if that's too early, then perhaps you could rope me in to do a future issue? hamiltonstone (talk) 10:30, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The following week, then? That would be 28–29 August. Tony   (talk)  11:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I should be good to do that. Leave me a note or a pointer to where I find the right 'list' of which to choose from, and where to leave the short statement. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 12:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, and I got my diary dates mixed: will you be available instead on 11–12 September? If so, I'd buzz you to remind a few days before. Tony   (talk)  10:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's looking OK at this stage. Ping me. hamiltonstone (talk) 08:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The Judd School
Hi Hamiltonstone, I wonder if you wouldn't mind reviewing the above article at FAC, if you have the time? I've seen you've reviewed school articles before, and I doubt many will be forthcoming in reviewing this article. Thanks in advance. Tom (talk) 09:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. I was very touched by your support statement - hope to work with you again soon! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Ngoia Pollard Napaltjarri GA review
Hi, I've placed Ngoia Pollard Napaltjarri on hold. -- Beloved Freak  14:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm a bit confused about the reference you fixed (see review page). I would be more than happy to take a look at Wintjiya Napaltjarri, although I warn you, I'm not that great at grammar, sentence structure etc, so you might want to get someone more experienced to have a look after! I'll see if I can see anything would change though, and let you know.-- Beloved  Freak  11:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * GA passed; well done! -- Beloved Freak  16:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've had a look at Wintjiya Napaltjarri, and I can't find much to complain about at all! I think it's well written, although as you know reviewers at FAC may find some holes in it! These are the few things I thought of:
 * Why is she known as Wintjia Napaltjarri No. 1? Is there any explanation for that in the sources?
 * Belatedly yes, i worked it out, and added it.
 * Haasts Bluff could be linked in the lead
 * Done.
 * The first sentence of the "career" section is quite long, could possibly be split
 * Section changed quite a bit now, including taking up your suggestion.
 * "Dreamings" can be linked to add context
 * Good idea, done.
 * You have inconsistent use of numbers (words vs. figures): "Twenty-five women were involved ... included three canvases that were three metres square ... two that were 3 by 1.5 metres" In particular, the "three metres" and "3 by 1.5 metres" should probably be consistent.
 * tried to sort that. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's all nit-picky though, I couldn't find any major problems at all. Good luck with it at FAC! -- Beloved Freak  11:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Ex parte Crow Dog review
Thank you.

I also found a better copy of the Spotted Tail image at the LOC, uploaded it to Wikicommons with appropriate info. The author died in 1934, so I made sure that this was labeled on the image permissions. It should take care of that issue.

Again, thanks for the review.

GregJackP  Boomer!   16:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jirrawun Arts
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 18:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

thanks
Hi - thank you for making the improvements on Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly nom and article. Shiva (Visnu)  04:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Oakeshott article
Please don't threaten me - it makes you look rather silly.

I'll re-amend the article when I have time to research the figures backing my changes.

Maturescence 06:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maturescence (talk • contribs)
 * I'm comfortable with that warning, and sorry if you took it as a threat. I'll make a few points. First, having been reverted by two different editors you didn't take it to the talk page. Second, it used language that expressed a clear point of view - it wasn't neutral. Third, Oakeshott was elected, and in Australia's political system, it is that election that sets in train his representational responsibilities, nothing else, including opinion polls. Fourth, as you may have heard Oakeshott say - or will be able to read, presuming one of the media outlets prepares a transcript - his electorate has consistently expressed independent electoral preferences at several different political levels, which is why trying to then run and interpret polls within a 'two party preferred' framework is so problematic. Finally, FWIW (and as I have indicated, i don't think its worth anything), polls in that particular seat were hardly overwhelming (compared, for example to Katter's seat) - and at least some of the polls were not based on random samples either - such as that referred to here. You might like to look at these comments too. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 07:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Aboriginal Memorial
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost F and A
Hamiltonsone: just checking that you're right to do the Choice of the week for FAs on Saturday or Sunday (if Sunday, preferably not too late). When we insert the number of FAs promoted, in the lead, the list is complete. Please let me know if this is still OK. Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-09-13/Features_and_admins. Tony  (talk)  14:38, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, should be good to go. Will look for that number and then proceed. Thanks. hamiltonstone (talk) 22:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Rob Oakeshott
Thanks for fixing the reference. Enidblyton11 (talk) 04:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks 2
You're turning into one of those "always there to help out" types, or perhaps you always were, and I'm just clueing in! Sandy Georgia (Talk) 03:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have also been trying to kick the editing habit to a (largely unsuccessful) degree, but it's hard to creep away and leave good folks like yourself holding the fort! Is it just me, or has the number of reviews and reviewers at FAC thinned out a little lately? hamiltonstone (talk) 03:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think as FAC reviews have become more and more stringent, we get less and less reviewers and longer and longer reviews :) Thanks again!  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey! On re-reading the day after, I'm sorry if my answer here seemed short or unappreciative. I was in the midst of dispute resolution elsewhere, took a break to check FAC, and didn't mean to make it appear that I don't appreciate your efforts and reviews! Best, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 12:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Eilley
Thanks for that one. It's a peculiarly odd one—I agree that for "one of the most researched women in history" there's a singular lack of research—but I think it's an interesting story. – iride scent 00:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: copyright query
Hi, hamiltonstone. I am going to presume that you meant "work" to be an object of art (painting, sculpture, etc).

Generally, for unknown authorship, the US rule is 120 years since creation (if unpublished), or 95 years since first publishing (if published after 1989, or from 1923 to 1989 with proper filing of copyrights). http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm nicely presents these.

UK law is more complicated, but can be easily followed in this National Archives's leaflet. Note that UK law is quite strict on claims of anonymous authorship; one has to show that reasonable efforts (like contacting organisations who have published the photographs) have been made to ascertain the identity of the author.

Most other EU countries (Germany, France) appear to abide the 70 years since creation rule for anonymous works (see commons:Template:Anonymous-EU, although I suspect that this could be a simplification by Commons. Jappalang (talk) 14:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Kurosawa
Let me be completely candid with you about the reasons why both your attitude and your actions regarding the Akira Kurosawa page leave, to put it mildly, much to be desired:

1. I nominated the page almost two weeks ago as a Featured Article candidate. I am about to go away on a very important business trip on which my job may well depend. I am exhausted and ILL (see below) and don't have the time to engage in edit wars on Wikipedia!

2. Before I nominated the article, I worked on it for 10 WEEKS day and night, spending literally hundreds of hours on it from mid-June to early September, with a collaborator who helped me write the Life and career section. If you want to know how incomparably better the article is now from what it was when I started working on it, go to "View history" to the edit of June 13th 2010 to see how poorly structured and incomplete it had been. The goal of Wikipedia is (or should be) to create articles demonstrating first-rate writing and research. The article now meets these goals and, I believe, sets a standard for Wiki articles. By the way, I have had the strong support on this project of the distinguished film scholar David Bordwell, from whose blog I borrowed several images which you, for some mysterious reason, left intact.

3. During the two weeks in which the article has been nominated, I have responded to EVERY SINGLE COMMENT AND OBJECTION where it has been shown to me that not changing the page would be in violation of Wikipedia's rules (whether I thought those rules were fair and sensible or not). The rule whereby the nominator must make a good faith effort to respond to comments and objections has been strictly followed by me.

4. You don't seem to notice (or care) that your comments (posted unfairly under the heading "oppose") contradict those of DCGeist, whose objections I have worked very strenuously to meet. For example, before the current "Tora" image existed, I had in its place a screenshot from the trailer of the film to which Mr. Geist objected as not adequately supporting the text. He suggested that I get a screenshot of the actual film itself to better illustrate my point. I went to the trouble of obtaining a DVD of the film and getting a screenshot which I think adequately addressed Mr. Geist's issues. Kurosawa, as the text says, did not direct ''Tora! Tora! Tora!''. But I think the reader needs to know that the film would have been ideally suited to his strengths as an director of action films, so that his firing by the producers can be understood in its proper context. After going to all this trouble, you not only objected to the image without, apparently, bothering to read Mr. Geist's previous comments, you deleted it yourself without giving me the time to respond properly, as I indicated that I was going to do.

5. The strain on me of editing this article has been enormous. I have suffered sleep deprivation, chest pains, and even crying jags. With all this and a business trip coming up, I really can't afford further stress.

6. When I come back from my business trip and have had time to recover adequately, I would like to write an article for publication about my experience editing Wikipedia, and why it badly needs reform. I would like to interview you, to give you the opportunity that you have not give me to defend your position. Will you agree to this?

I will undo the image deletions you have made until you prove to me that they are DEFINITELY (not "may be") in violation of Wikipedia's rules. Dylanexpert (talk) 11:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If editing Wikipedia has been this stressful for you, then a break would be an excellent idea I think. I suggest that you not undo those image deletions without establishing a consensus on the talk page first. I am almost certain they will not meet the non-free use criteria, I know Hammersoft agrees, and I expect other image experts on Wikipedia will too. Regarding your dialogue around Tora Tora Tora, I think DCGeist and I probably disagree on what would be defendable in terms of non-free content - which is exactly one of the reasons I posted my own views on that page rather than letting others speak for me - this is one of the ways in which Wikipedia works, with different editors putting in views and discussing them. I am sorry that the presence of the images on Commons misled you into thinking the images were safe to use. That is an ongoing issue at Commons because people upload all sorts of stuff that shouldn't really be there. It isn't your fault it was wrongly uploaded. I'd just encourage you to take a lead from various users like Hammersoft, who have a fair bit of experience with copyright etc, to provide some guidance on these things. Concentrate on your business trip and come back after a break and see if you still find editing here rewarding. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 22:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations
And there was you worrying about it languishing at the bottom of the FAC pile. I really admire what you're doing with these indigenous Australian artists, so keep on doing what you're doing. Malleus Fatuorum 19:53, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And thanks for the copyedit. Favourite edit summary: ""had been men" makes it sound a little like they were then something else". Who knows? :-) hamiltonstone (talk) 23:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

FAC comments
I believe your image and other issues at Featured article candidates/School for Creative and Performing Arts/archive1are now resolved. Assuming you agree, could you leave a note to that effect? We are close to wrapping up, I think. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Muckaty Station
Let me know when you're finished and I'll take another look. I do appreciate that there's probably not much been written about the place until the nuclear waste dump proposal, which is probably why it was proposed as a nuclear waste dump. Malleus Fatuorum 01:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Having just noticed the red link above, I'm now wondering what the name of this place is. If it's Muckaty Station, then why isn't "station" capitalised? Malleus Fatuorum 01:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Look, that's a good question. I treated the second word as a descriptor rather than part of a proper noun. Gray (1997) uses the capitalised form. The Northern Land Council's media release uses "Muckaty cattle station" and (as i do sometimes in the article) just "Muckaty". Nash uses just "Muckaty". However, articles in The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald, and online news site Crikey, as well as a NT Government media release, all capitalise both words. I guess it should be moved to both being uppercase. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I've closed the review and listed this as a GA. It would be good to add a map to give some idea of exactly where in the Northern Territory the station is, as in Arnhem Land, but I'll leave that up to you. I think you've done a good job with what are obviously rather limited sources. Malleus Fatuorum 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)