User talk:HandThatFeeds/Archive 2009

I disagree
Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents The rules say that no one is too "discourage them from editing entirely" as thaken from the WP:Harass page. When he said "which apparently you shouldn't be giving anyway", that violated that. Since when did Wikipedia start allowing that without even a warning? --MahaPanta (talk) 03:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * He discouraged you from giving advice, not editing the article. If you wish to take the "Resolved" template off that section you may, but I have a feeling it will be closed shortly thereafter by an admin. You were not harassed. He was rude and you've both been incivil to each other. Continuing in that direction won't help. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 03:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

SQUISH...
...goes your bug! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 20:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! Thank you very much! &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 20:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Abduction
Hey, Hand. As the creator of those articles and the primary contributor to their parent topic's article I can assure that they are most certainly not redundant. They were created in a legitimate splitting of an article that was once well over 100 kb in accordance with splitting policy (see WP:SIZE). They are all incomplete however, and any additions you might make would be appreciated. :) Abyssal (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And yet, you assume bad faith by marking my redirects as vandalism?
 * I'll review the articles but, at most, I'd say only one of them really needs to exist. The rest really are redundant, and this was brought up on the Fringe Theories Notice Board. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 18:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

a.i. sciences/balanced energies/random cycles/phases/moons/signals align
concerning gods, and entities, and atmosphere data, and the prince of the power of the air, it only makes sense in sciences and technologies that these things are relative in evoking the gods using electricity in communications to them and others, proving these things. qabalah/wicca... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.203.133.9 (talk) 03:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That still makes absolutely no sense in regard to the Satan article. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 13:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

El Cartel Records
Than how can I prove it is legitimate? I have tried to ask Daedalus but he is absolutely no help at all and it seems the only thing he likes doing is being mean. If someone can't prove the official website or myspace is legitimate, then how am I meant to probe the youtube channel is? TPTanque (talk) 15:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Daedelus is blunt; I don't think he's intentionally trying to be mean. The issue is that the label itself needs to step up and show that the YouTube channel is legitimate, usually by mentioning it on their site and on the YouTube channel page. Basically, the best thing you can do is write an email to the label and ask them to update their site if that's the legitimate channel. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 17:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But I don't think they have a site, the only site they have at the moment is their myspace site. How do I write an email to them asking them to update? TPTanque (talk) 03:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The label doesn't have a site? Hm. Well, you'd probably have to write a physical letter to them, then. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 13:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Books at Mothman site
I understand that you don't feel there should be an exhaustive collection of books here. I can see the logic in that. However I wonder why we have the book by Brad Fear, which is a fiction book, on there, but not the historic Gray Barker book "The Silver Bridge," which was extremely rare and highly sought-after until it was recently reprinted. It was the first book on Mothman, and early copies go for hundreds of dollars.

97.113.158.9 (talk) 23:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free to bring that up on the article Talk page. I'm not fighting to keep what's already listed, but we don't need that section to grow too large. We just want things directly related to the Mothman. I'll look into the Silver Bridge book when I get the chance but, if the Mothman only has a small mention, I don't think it'd be appropriate to the article. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 12:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Five-Seven image
The image consists of four commonly available promotional images, e.g., ,. Thanks, Hayden120 (talk) 01:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Help w/9mm and 7.62x54r
Saw you helped improved quality of FN fiveseven, where I've excised some unsupported "cruft". Wondering if you have time to tag sections on 9mm and 7.62x54R. I have been making edits on those pages to improve quality, but on 9mm in particular would like to see more editors willing to flag! Spectre9 (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. I don't edit as much as I used to, but I'm up for some Wikignoming from time to time. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 19:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Tweeting
Thanks for the help. I'll check it. --Calton | Talk 13:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Carrt81
[] If he has made this type of mistake, how many others has he made? I know of plenty!--Victor9876 (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's nice. You're not exactly helping your image here. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 22:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

John Lakian
I have completely rewritten John Lakian using several different reliable sources (but not nearly all that exist.) I would appreciate if you take a look at the article and re-evaluate your AfD nomination accordingly. If you have any further concerns with the article, please let me know.

Thank you, ThaddeusB (talk) 00:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Who are you?
What was your previous account, and what do you have to hide? J 216.241.55.204 (talk) 04:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed usernames because I wanted to help edit controversial topics on here, but didn't want it spilling over to my personal life. I had been using the same username all over the 'net, so it would've been easy for someone who got pissed off at me here to harrass me on other sites. So, I just retired that account and created a new one. If you're really concerned, ask an admin to contact me privately and I'll give him/her my other username, so they can see I've done nothing wrong. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 15:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Were you an administrator? Why would there be people out to harass you if you did nothing wrong? Are the topics you edit "controversial" in the sense of User:FT2, editing zoophilia/bestiality topics, along with the Labrador Retriever page, and having those edits deleted from public view because he has gained favor among Wikipedia's powers that be? J 216.241.55.204 (talk) 22:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My, aren't we curious! No, I was not an administrator. And there are plenty of subjects that have led to outside harrassment (Israel/Palestine, Scientology, fringe-science, etc.) between groups that disagree. I'm not familiar with FT2's editing of bestiality topics. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 23:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I thought you were that liar Essjay, who was falsely claiming to be a professor and gained administrator status, politicking his way into power. After he was exposed as a fraud and liar, he was bandying around like a paranoid baby, whining about harassment and stalking. He then turned into a hero for the Wikipedia élite, despite being a dishonest twentysomething hungry for attention. I apologize for the inconvenience. J. 216.241.55.204 (talk) 00:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh! No, I'm not Essjay. And there's really no "elite" here, but friendships can complicate things sometimes, and I think that's why people supported him so long. Either way, I'm just curious what in the world made you think I was him! :) &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 20:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Satanic ritual abuse
Regards this change, there's a discussion on the talk page that you might be interested in contributing to. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/complex 14:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that discussion is what prompted me to revert the change. If there is still disagreement, I'll chime in but, if the image stays as-is, I'd consider the matter resolved. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 14:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Try to clarify
I'll answer here, instead of sidetracking the ANI thread even more. I wasn't trying to answer for Dbratland, I was making a comment from an outside observer. The "I won't provide diffs" was because I interpreted DC's request for "you" to provide diffs as more of a request for "y'all" to provide diffs; i.e. anyone who was accusing him of "personal attacks". --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I read it as a direct response to Dbratland, but thanks for the clarification. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 14:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Closing?
Why exactly did you close the thread on ANI? I was hoping to get feedback on dealing with abusive admins. Nezzadar  ☎   21:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You, yourself, marked the thread as resolved and then asked for someone to help de-escalate. At this point, closing the thread was the best way to deal with it. I suggest you wait at least a month before asking for your tools again, to give admins a chance to see productive edits from you. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 11:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Apology and Explanation
We've gotten into a small tussle over the Mothman article and I would like to apologize for my action and summary. I misunderstood the Pop Culture thing (I thought it meant the Mothman's impact) and thus acted stupidly. I wasn't trying to say that Big Chill is the Mothman; just part of the aforementioned misunderstanding. I promise I'll be a lot more careful next time with matters like these.--Twilight Helryx (talk) 01:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem! At issue is that we had a lot of people a while back trying to add in anything that kinda, sorta, maybe was a little bit like Mothman in that section, so folks got more strict on it. The section should be for references to Mothman himself, or where it can be documented that the creature was influenced by mothman. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 01:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. Maybe a hidden message that clarifies what should be there would help. I'll go ahead and put that in. =)--Twilight Helryx (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Denialism
An article that you have been involved in editing, Denialism, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Unomi (talk) 06:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

DRV and errors
A correction, I did not discuss anything on ANI, it was AN. ANI is for emergencies.

Is DRV just for deletion decisions? That page is not clear. Sometimes, it seems to confirm this. Other times, it says that it is for disagreements with the AFD decision. Currently, there is a big discussion with some disagreeing with a keep position (the Salahi articles). Can you clarify this, DRV being for delete only or any AFD disagreements. Thank you. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 16:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * DRV isn't for disagreements; it's for when an editor believes the proper process was not followed, and requires admin tools to fix. That would be if an article was deleted, when the editor can show the admin misunderstood a source; or if an article was not deleted, but the editor can show a blatant policy violation in keeping the article. A Merge is effectively a Keep, but the information is moved to a more proper location (another article). If consensus on the target article later concludes the information should be removed, that's something to debate on the target article's Talk page. It's really got nothing to do with the AfD, nor does it require admin tools to fix. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 21:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your explanation. Now is not the time for me, but such clear writing from you might be useful in the DRV page (minor re-write to that page).  Some DRV requests are from people who may not understand the DRV purpose. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. I've tried to explain on the DRV talk page, but some folks have their own ideas... &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 01:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oahspe: A New Bible
Hey Hand, if you have a moment, look again at the article, and see if the newly added sources won't make you change your "weak keep" to a "yes keep, this is fascinating stuff!" ;) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The NYT article is very interesting, but I can't seem to pull up the Google Books refs at work. I'll take a look at them later this week. I'm still on the "weak keep" side, and plan to seriously prune the article down when I get the chance. There's just too much primary-sourced stuff, and some of the "references" aren't actual references, just "here's a website with some writing about Oahspe." I think there's enough to support a small article right now, but the current version is putting too much personal opinion/primary material to be neutral. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 12:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)