User talk:HangingCurve/Archive 13

Hi HangingCurve,

Just wanted to give you a a heads up. In this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WCAU&diff=458966006&oldid=458737741 you introduced a factual inaccuracy. The 10 logo that is used on other stations is the current 10 logo, not the original one which the sentence is referring to. Maybe next time reread the sentence before hitting save! (Of course, if I'm totally wrong, let me know, but I'm pretty sure no one else uses that 70s-era logo.)

Thanks,

AriX (talk) 16:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

RFA
Hi, re your RFA it seems to be the norm now for people to link in their previous RFAs when they run, especially when they've had a rename. May I suggest you do the same?  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  16:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks  Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  06:56, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Fleet Command (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

WVPT/WVPY
Hello, do you have a source for your recent changes to WVPT? The two stations were mapping to 51-1 and 42-1 as recently as the end of June. Thanks. TripEricson (talk) 01:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Flag on the Play
When you edited Steve Grogan you put text in that is not confirmed by the references that the original sentence was sourcing. You need to either write a new sentence and provide new references, or replace the existing references with ones that confirm both the original text and the new facts. Your additions need:


 * Verifiable
 * Reliable
 * Sources

If you make a habit of adding references as you add new text, life will be a whole lot easier. > Best O Fortuna (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks.


 * Easy referencing Tip 'O the Day: You don't have to wait until tomorrow, Google News already has at least 265 sources to choose from.  Pick a couple good ones.  What I want to know is: Who did Grogan pass in 1976? > Best O Fortuna (talk) 22:05, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like it was:


 * Tobin Rote (age 28) 11 with the Green Bay Packers in 1956
 * Johnny Lujack (age 25) 11 with the Chicago Bears in 1950
 * Johnny Lujack (age 25) 11 with the Chicago Bears in 1950



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10 Logo
Hi HangingCurve,

I don't understand why you added back the sentence "Versions of this logo have since been used by other channel 10 stations in the United States." on WCAU. I do not believe versions of that logo are or have been used on any other station in the country. Please cite an example of another station that uses or used the logo.

AriX (talk) 18:35, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * WAVY-TV uses a version of that logo now, and has since at least the mid-1980s. WIS used it during the last half of the 1980s as well. HangingCurveSwing for the fence 22:16, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess this is just semantics at this point, but the only thing those logos have in common is that they both say "10" in fonts that are slightly similar. I do not think it warrants a mention on WCAU's page, because I do not think these logos have any connection to the original one used by WCAU. The WIS 10 looks more like the current WCAU logo than anything. Wikipedia is for everyone, and it's ultimately not my decision (maybe we could discuss it on the talk page), but it is misleading to suggest any connection between these logos when there is no evidence of it. AriX (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Deletion of page - Gregory Dickow
Hey there HangingCurve! You deleted the original page for Gregory Dickow due to "blatant copywright violations" because the bio was taken from his website. Not surprising that someone would reference the ministry's website in regard to an article about the pastor. I would like to see if you would restore the page with a tag expressing concern about NPOV similar to what was decided concerning Creflo Dollar [|here].

Thanks!

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"radio" in French is a feminine noun
If anything, it should be "de la Radio-Canada". "Du" is only for masculine nouns, and "Radio" is feminine in French. I'm not sure what you were driving at in your edit comment, at René Lévesque, where you say "du, not de". "Radio" is actually short for "radiodiffusion," hence the feminine gender. --Skol fir (talk) 21:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I did some more research on this, and when "de" precedes a defining feature of another word, it does not require a definite article in French. In this case the word "Télévision" is defined by "Radio-Canada", so it is correctly written as "Télévision de Radio-Canada". Another example of this rule is le jus d'orange, where "orange" defines the word juice. This is not written as le jus de l'orange. The use of "de" without the definite article is quite common if the succeeding word is a proper noun or brand name, like "Radio-Canada".


 * Have a nice day! --Skol fir (talk) 18:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Francine Ealey Murphy
Hi HangingCurve, I've declined the speedy deletion nomination of Francine Ealey Murphy because I believe there are claims of importance in the article. I think the subject probably isn't notable, but it seems there is enough doubt that this doesn;t fal within CSD. I've already BLPPROD'ed the article. If references are provided, I would suggest PROD/AfD. Sparthorse (talk) 21:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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Sweet deal that. Thanks. Erikeltic ( Talk ) 16:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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Apportionment (politics)
Yours was an additional useful example! I have tweaked it a little, and noted that it's invoked not just in a "deadlock" but any failure to produce a majority. Spike-from-NH (talk) 21:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I am very curious to know why you believed you were correct to say this. Please tell me. with thanks, Eddaido (talk) 10:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

"I think it's important to note that until the Statute, the dominions were legally colonies of the UK. It was only with the Statute that they acquired the status of independent countries. HangingCurveSwing for the fence 23:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)"

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Hi, I noticed that you added the sentence "it was the first free direct presidential election held in South Korea, as well as the first relatively free national election of any sort since the 1960 parliamentary election." to the article South Korean presidential election, 1987. While this is a popular viewpoint, it is not the opinion of many scholars, who hold that the pre-Yushin (ie pre-1972) elections under Park Chung Hee were also free elections. While I need to chase up the precise references for this, I recall one book that said that while the pre-1972 political system was authoritarian, these elections did present a genuine opportunity to change to a more democratic model, which was rejected by Koreans. This is definitely also the argument made by Hyug Baeg Im in his chapter in "The Park Chung Hee Era" (2011). Park was a popular leader in the 1960s, and it is worth noting that the establishment of the Yushin regime came in large part precisely because he was afraid of the possibility of defeat in elections, due to Kim Dae Jung's good performance in 1971. I was wondering if you had contrary sources in mind, since you didn't provide a reference to the sentence (again I do recognise it is a common view, but there is a difference between elections being free and democratization more generally). --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 13:08, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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New Orleans Saints bounty scandal
The sanctions have been for the bounty system, not for any hits. In other words, off-field, not on-field conduct. If you have reliable sources that characterize them otherwise, you can consider including those, with attribution. Otherwise you've got a WP:SYNTH issue, and perhaps a WP:BLP problem to the extent your edits make unsupported statements about any specific players.

I have been watching this for a while and I've thought that your work on this topic has been judicious and well-written. However, a few of your recent edits have perhaps begun to slip over into advocacy and opinion. The directly sourceable facts here are sensational enough without needing to trump them up, and I'd encourage you to stay on the steady course you had set. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A follow-up note: I haven't wanted to get into any contentiousness over the on-field vs. off-field issue, and I still don't, but I do want to call to your attention the sources that note that Goodell's sanctions against the players were expressly issued under his authority over off-field issues; if they related to on-field actions, they would be subject to independent review, and he wants to avoid that. See the Times-Picayune discussion of this here. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Queensland election, 2012
It's great that you've been prepared to help edit so many articles relating to this topic - thanks! Any particular reason why someone from North Carolina is so interested? It's sparked my curiosity. Slac speak up! 07:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but in response to your reply, what in particular? Always interesting to hear an outsider's perspective. Timeshift (talk) 12:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hungarian accent
I was not disputing that he had a Hungarian accent. I was disputing that it was notable. In the citation put in for having a Hungarian accent it mentions other things which I would have thought far more worthy of note than his accent. I'll leave it in but I consider it a silly thing to be sticking into an encyclopaedia. Dmcq (talk) 23:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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Joseph Massino
I don't know if you're still up to working on Joey's article, or if you know enough of the details for it, but if you do do you think you could maybe try and expand on the proceedings of the 2004 trial? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 19:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Your "plea bargain" addition looks like it might get challenged as OR when the GA review begins. Said review is probably a while off, though, so I'd say there's plenty of time to find a source. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:00, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

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Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 18:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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PSU Edits
Hello HangingCurve - I just thought I'd drop by here to explain and discuss the edits I've been making to Penn State child sex abuse scandal and the related Death penalty (NCAA). The latter article, I still feel, should not include cases in which the DP has not been meted out, and if that needs to be addressed, it needs to be in a separate article since there are far more than 2 cases in which the DP post-SMU has been discussed in infractions reports, with high-profile cases of USC and Alabama and discussions even with Boise State and Oregon recently and many others. That's for another time, though.

I've added material to the penalties section on the Penn State article (and added and re-added some to the DP) article, and even specific edit summaries are insufficient to explain the edits, which I feel is appropriate to do here since you've put so much work into the article. I've tried as much as possible to make my edits additive and not in the process remove yours or your sourcing.

But the problem is that we're dealing with a he said/he/said/he said situation regarding the NCAA sanctions process. The first he is Erickson, the second Emmert/Ray, and the third Forde and Van Natta. Erickson apparently has made statements about NCAA coercion, but there isn't anything like a primary source for that - no video from Outside The Lines of Erickson actually talking that I can find nor any word-for-word transcript. All that I can find that seems to support this is the van Natta article here, and it contains no direct quotation from Erickson substantiating the assertion. It's in the lead sentence - and given the vagueness of van Natta's next sentence - which separate interview? with whom? when? - its accuracy is in doubt given the fact that we have an 8 minute ESPN interview with Emmert available and we can hear what he actually DID say regarding the sanctions deliberations. At no point in that interview does he say that as van Natta mantains "a core group of NCAA school presidents had agreed early last week that an appropriate punishment was no Penn State football for four years." Far from it - what he actually said is here - - in case you haven't seen it.

This plus the Ed Ray interview makes a sentence later in van Natta's article (" the level of NCAA support for a four-year death penalty and the import given to that threat by Erickson and other Penn State leaders were not previously known") appear to be inaccurate. Ray and Emmert both state that the DP was "unequivocally on the table" but both are explicit in the extreme that it was never agreed upon and according to Ray (who with Emmert framed the final sanctions, and who lead the board and exec comm discussions) - "the overwhelming position of members of both the executive committee and the Division I board was to not include suspension of play." That is impossible to get around - an on-the-record statement by the man who conducted the discussions. The Emmert interview runs slightly oblique to this but in no way contradicts it - Emmert is trying to provide shading, nuance, and context for where the DP fit into the sanctions discussions.

Further - where Erickson actually said that PSU had to accept the consent decree or receive the DP is in the Minemyer article on the PSU presser from the Centre Daily Times. But Minemyer is careful to provide the exact same lines from Ed Ray that I had culled independently from the Rittenberg/ESPN interview with Ray to balance Erickson's controversial semi-claim - semi because even there, Erickson does not attribute this as a direct statement in conversation with Emmert but rather "“I accepted this consent decree on behalf of the university, knowing that if we did not accept the sanctions we most surely would have faced the death penalty for football over multiple years and the prospects of additional sanctions..." Yet according to both Ray and Emmert in the sources I have provided and in their own directly quoted words, this was not the case. It is a matter of Erickson's inference, not Ray's and Emmert's statements.

However, most internet links regarding this simply connect back to the Van Natta article, which provides an unelucidated and unexamined summary of what Erickson actually said. The edits I have made to the sanctions section clarify and establish these points with first-person statements from Ray and Emmert, included verbatim and with the same emphasis that they have in the sources sites. There is perhaps less difference between Erickson and Emmert/Ray on this point than at first appears, and wherever it is that Erickson is on the record stating clearly that Emmert coerced his agreement by TELLING him - not implying, not as inferred by some sportswriter - that a majority of the 2 boards wanted a DP and unless he signed that PSU would get it - that needs explicit sourcing in the article or, of course, it is potentially libelous for Wikipedia to disseminate a threat that Emmert didn't make and that he has denied making. regards, Sensei48 (talk) 10:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello again HC - I re-edited, and you re-re-edited. I think both articles read really well now - they have the compactness that you wanted and the primary source emphasis that I did.regards, Sensei48 (talk) 16:32, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Hitler
Hi, HangingCurve. If you have a minute, could you give us a page number for your addition to the Hitler article? Thanks so much. - Dianna (talk) 22:21, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

WRHU
Hi there- I see that you recently edited the WRHU 88.7FM page to say, "This severely limits the Islanders' radio coverage; the station doesn't carry too far outside of Nassau County."

That is not factual. The station broadcasts 30 miles out of Hempsread- reaching as far as Manhattan and the Bronx. WRHU also has their own iheartradio app so virtually anybody can listen to the station. Just wanted you to be aware. Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.96.184.38 (talk) 18:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)