User talk:Hannes steinhauser

Welcome to en.wp. Could you please elaborate/source that last edit with footnotes. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you! I tried to give the references. Judith could be used to support the idea of a Gehenna as a place of torment. It could also be seen as an indication for a widespread abuse and change of meaning during the time before and after the end of the Second Temple. In Luke there seems to be a parodistic reference to the torment concept of some rabbis (in the "parable" of the rich man and the one asking for mercy (=Lazarus)) pointed sharply against its advocates. It is as with the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" which is widely understood as expressions of pain after and while receiving the punishment instead of seeing it as the end for the wrathful howling and gnashing against innocent ones (as seen in the stoning of stephanus with both expressions). All this seems to me to be difficult to prove due to an intended (?) openness for either view, even if the torment concept may appear ridiculous to me. To many others it is not. They seem satisfied with it. I - unfortunately - lack the intelligence and lingistic sharpness to prove my point convincingly. I would appreciate help. If it seems unconvining at all, I will not be offended if you tell me so. Best regards, hannes steinhauser innsbruck, tyrol