User talk:Hanuman Das/Archive 2

Stella Matutina
I've got a bozo trying to start a revert war on Stella Matutina. Could you help? ---Baba Louis 20:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks :-) ---Baba Louis 21:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok well now I'm talking to you, Hanuman. I wanted to make both of you aware that this is also not in keeping with good faith. His remarks are uneeded. Zos 02:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Whatever. It's a good idea to have a bit of a thick skin on WP. There will always be occasional mistakes made by people. It's really only when it takes on a pattern that I pay much attention to it. &mdash;Hanuman Das 02:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Question

 * Earth:_2025

Does this qualify for AfD? Zos 04:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism
--D-Boy 08:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

3rr
You wanna report this guy on the 3RR or do you want me to? SynergeticMaggot 02:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Not worth responding
I am merging the Cape Sorrell waverider bouy article with Cape Sorell immediately, and you do what you like. The arguments (googling, importance, etc etc) are not worth responding to, as it wastes yours and their time - there was good reasoning to keep it, but honestly, wikipedia shoots itself in the foot when the amount of time is spent on the conflict stuff, and to be honest I used to come across so many articles in random article searching that cape sorell is a worthy article compared to stuff I used to find! In good faith, and if you think its worth putting up, go off and do a full days random article searching to see what I mean :) Best Wishes SatuSuro 03:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW thanks for the cleanup :) !! SatuSuro 05:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Heheh, indeed. Actually in decciding not defend the delete, I realise that I wanted to have an art on extreme weather on the west coast of tasmania - and that cape sorell, mount read and lake margaret are a sort of locations of triangulation of the 40 degree south extreme weather - an article that now comes cleaner from having to think about it all! So in a strange way, thanks! SatuSuro 05:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * So my choice of title for this lot of talk is indeed ironic, there's heaps worth responding to! There is nothing in wikipedia (as far as I can tell so far) on waverider bouys, so...SatuSuro 05:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Having looked very closely at Clusty and much less at Google, and the importance of waverider bouys in Australian waters, I will be restoring the article at some later time, and will make sure that it has its notability as well as further links and points, that I am sure will pass the test of this mornings exercise. When? that's another story! Best Wishes  SatuSuro 07:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the encouragement, the problem is that Waverider is a TM of a dutch firm, and our firends the US citizens of the world have other uses for the term - so a large DAB page first I suspect :)  SatuSuro 13:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Hanuman Das. I am learning. Cannot help but notice a lack of articles on individual yoga practices in Wiki, let alone their integration into effective practice routines. Are verifiable articles on practices welcome? Also, can the Yogani article be placed on my user page with links intact? Can others edit that? Nothing to hide here ... no hidden agenda. In AYP, what you see is what you get. The guru is in you. Yogani 21:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for the misunderstanding earlier in the Tantra entry, I hadn't noticed your suggestion until now. Mdyogi 02:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for the help. Mdyogi 02:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks much. Will do on requesting move of the Yogani page, and testing a few articles on practice. The goal here is to bring powerful easy-to-do yoga practices into the public domain in a well-integrated fashion, and perhaps AYP and Wiki can overlap on that. Will keep you posted. Yogani 14:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

DaVinci
Nope. Fiction books don't list a bibliography. Its taken from here, and its not copyrighted. Still looking for something to AfD this. SynergeticMaggot 05:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So far, the only thing I know that works on AfD is WP:LC but this isnt a guideline or policy. You'd have to have a very, very good argument for it to be deleted. SynergeticMaggot 05:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As you may or may not know, the page is now prodded. If someone takes it down with no comment, list it for AfD and let me know. By the way, I own the book so I know for fact its not listed in the book itself, just the web site. SynergeticMaggot 05:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hey, thanks for the barnstar! -999 (Talk) 14:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops. Forgot to thank you myself! SynergeticMaggot 14:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Gee wiz. It would help if I thanked you. Thanks for the barnstar! :D SynergeticMaggot 14:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Statement on Onslaught of Challenges
There are currently challenges made by the same three people, all of whom will recieve this message, on Thoth, Hermeticism, Hermetism, Cult of Hermes, Mental Gender, and Hermeticism and other thought systems all at the same time. Some people actually work for a living and have a life outside of Wikipedia. If you want to make challenges, you are free to do so. But when you know that they are all against the same person, have a little bit of courtesy and challenge them one or two at a time, and allow appropriate time for someone to actually do something about it. I am not a superhuman, and blitzkrieging me with all these challenges at once is unrealistic and shady. Try to have some patience and actually make it possible for me to work with you rather than trying to send me on the defensive and effectively make me leave Wikipedia. If this continues, I will have to make this an issue through RfC, Administrator's noticeboard, or Arbitration Committee. Try to use your time actually find sources to contradict mine if you feel that you have too much free time to wait around for me to be able to act on any given article.

KV(Talk) 16:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

KV
He filed a joint complaint about us on WP:ANI. Thought you should know. SynergeticMaggot 01:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, thats WP:AN, its here. SynergeticMaggot 01:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

another one
What do you think about the Hermetic alchemy article? The whole intro is Manly P Hall (historic claims again) and the rest is unsourced. SynergeticMaggot 11:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well. Both are deleted as of right now. So what do ya think? SynergeticMaggot 00:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me rephrase that. All three are gone, I think that if we refer back to the last three, there will be a consensus to delete it. Are you still alive? :p SynergeticMaggot 01:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Barely. I'm very involved in something else (off WP) right now. Go ahead and AfD, I'm definitely for deletion. Or prod first if you like, maybe somebody can make the article live up to its title... &mdash;Hanuman Das 01:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * K. I'll just prod it. SynergeticMaggot 01:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Gnostic Movement - page reverted
Hello,

Please let me know if you want me to put details on the GM talk page or do you mean the article for deletion page?

Thanks --Clean2 04:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

hello Hanuman das
are you american!!??who initiated you into nath tradition...??found your page while reading about hariakhan babaji...om mitranand baumann--64.66.114.118 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)--64.66.114.118 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)--64.66.114.118 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)Mitranand@ my personal e mail... darkstar2025@yahoo.com

Thank you


My Postings
Dear Hanuman Das,

Yes, I am a newcomer here, and haven't yet gotten the hang of things. The vast majority of the listings I've put up have been of published authors, or in some cases recording artists who have IMO made a significant contribution to their genre'. I realize I haven't documented everything I've posted, and I'm slowly going back over my listings and improving them as I learn.

I have no objection if the listing for Mike Ingalls gets bumped. I hope LaSara Firefox isn't bumped since she is published, but if she is, I only listed it because she is on my list; if she doesn't get a listing by my efforts, so be it. She has no idea I've put it up, anyway; in fact, hardly any of these folks do. I see someone not only accepted Patricia Telesco, but put up a much more complete listing than mine. That's as it should be.

I'm pretty much finished with submissions at this point, just going over some of the ones I or others have posted of folks I admire and adding a book, CD or tape I know they did when I see one missing. I occasionally find errors, like Stephen Kent being listed as being born in South Africa, and I correct them when I do.

This isn't something I'm doing as self-promotion or some kind of campaign. I've even listed info on people who passed away, like Baba Raul Canizares, or who haven't been at any of our events for 20 years, like Margot Adler. I'm just a Virgo with a lot of handy (somewhat specialized) data, and I'm happy to see it applied to a use that might serve someone.

Thanks for your comments. I will try to find the time to get all my listings either up to snuff or delete them if necessary. I'll get better at this in time, so have patience. And real soon my listings will become pretty rare, since I've already done most of the ones I have that even I think are worthy of it.

Ad Astra, Rosencomet Rosencomet 19:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

More on My Listings
Dear Hanuman,

I just saw the additional notes you sent. I'm sorry about the "minor edit" thing. You are right; I checked that when I was just doing something minor, then forgot I had done so when I noticed that none of Krassner's recorded material was listed. I should have unchecked the box before I sent the page. My bad.

Although I think an appearance as a speaker at these events is an important credit for many of these folks, I intend to go back and delete a lot of the "run by ACE" mention since I see how that could be considered spam. One exception might be if the speaker was in the Consciousness Exploration field, like a psychologist author, but it shouldn't be a habitual thing, so I'm going to review my stuff.

I'm not sure about the "book reference" vs "web reference" thing. The info I added to Krassner's bio was for a book and some recordings I have seen in circulation myself (most of which I own), and I was at the appearance at the Rock & Roll Hall with Wavy Gravy. His Grammy nomination is on record.

Ad Astra, RosencometRosencomet 19:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Article mention spamming and verifiability
Dear Hanuman,

I'm confused about how to verify certain things, or provide "citations". Not everything is in a book. For instance, I've listed past speakers at the Starwood Festival, and been asked for a citation. Do I refer to the program of the event and list the particular year... for 25 years worth of booklets? Or to the Starwood website that has the schedules posted from the past? Or what?

Also, I mentioned some things about the constitution of the attendees; for instance, that many of them also frequent events like Burning Man and Grateful Dead concerts. Exactly how am I supposed to provide a citation? Do I get affadavits from some number of attendees, or quote the director or head of registration saying this is so, or what? Does it matter if this person was asked this particular question by an interviewer who printed it somewhere? Does that make it more true than if I ask him?

I also want to address the "importance" issue. Anyone in the American Neo-Pagan community or the Consciousness Exploration community can attest to the fact that Starwood is a major event. But when I tried to express why, the piece was called a "puff piece" and advertising. Well, maybe so... I wouldn't have added that paragraph if not for the "importance" challenge, but I'm not sure how to describe an event so its importance is evident without complimenting it and sounding like I'm advertising it.

Now, I could list a bunch of quotes I have on record from people like Paul Krassner, Patricia Monaghan, Stanley Krippner and Isaac Bonewits about Starwood, but since they've been at the event someone might say they aren't objective. But if they, or the authors of books that mention Starwood, weren't there, of what value is their opinion or report?

In fact, I've seen a couple challenges popping up that seem to imply that just having a link to Starwood, WinterStar or ACE is enough of a reason to question the listing. I don't see the fairness in that, nor do I see similar treatment accorded other listings just based on links. Of course, I'm new around here; maybe it's common.

I'm having similar problems with the listings I've put up on the directors of the Association for Consciousness Exploration, Jeff Rosenbaum and Joseph Rothenberg, and authors like Ian Corrigan. I keep trying to edit and beef them up, but I'm afraid I won't be able to meet the 5 day deadline that seems to be associated with these proposed deletions. I admit, as I did with Mike Ingalls, that Joseph Rothenberg may not have enough credits to remain (not being published, for instance), but I think the other two should. But I don't know what reaction, if any, my additions have from those that challenged in the first place.

Can you give me some practical guidance?

Ad Astra, RosencometRosencomet 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Help With My Listings
Dear Hanuman,

Thanks for your response. I am not 999. Someone else asked me if I was. If he altered any of my listings, he did it on his own.

I don't think I posted the Brushwood Folklore Center listing, just edited it. But I'm not connected to them, and if either my dits or the listing itself doesn't stand, so be it.

I will add info about articles and books mentioning the Starwood Festival, and WinterStar if I can find some. I already did for Jeff Rosenbaum, which I hope will help. If Joseph Rothenberg's doesn't stand, again, so be it. Unless someone else can come up with something he's published or other important credits, I can understand the notability issue.

I hope Ian Corrigan's stands, though. He's an important author and organizer in the Druidic and Celtic Spirituality fields, and I know The Portal Book sold thousands through regular New Age and Magical distributors like New Leaf, Abyss, and Sacred Spirit Products, as has his tapes and CD. Its first edition may have been self-published, but not the last two or three. I've alerted him about this, and asked him for any credits I don't have.

I guess I'll just have to deal with the rest on a one-to-one basis. I just hope I'll have the time before someone deletes them. I only posted them because I considered them important; none of them work for me, or I for them.

Ad Astra, RosencometRosencomet 16:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Mystery school
I prodded the article. SynergeticMaggot 05:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

my bot
I was just going through Category:Ancient_Egypt wich is where my bot got the list. Betacommand 06:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * they must have been in a sub cat Betacommand 06:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * no problem give me a second and ill fix sorry about that Betacommand 06:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not your fault, but the fault of whoever put a post-Egyptian philosophy into the Ancient Egypt category. I think I know who it was... &mdash;Hanuman Das 06:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're not the only one.... SynergeticMaggot 16:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * il let the wikiproject sort it out ill just remove the tag Betacommand 06:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR Complaint
You were reported for a 3RR violation. KV(Talk) 19:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)