User talk:Happy-melon/Archive 4

Template:WP_Australia
Thank you so much for fixing and cleaning up the template! However, I was just wondering whether its first few lines would be better replaced by an ambox ? Comte0 (talk) 23:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Outdent
Having the unicode/utf8 inserted directly is nice, but if you just want the character with minimal hassle, then it is just &amp;larr;, &larr;, the left arrow. JackSchmidt (talk) 03:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit request
Hello, you might remember me as I asked you to help me with a template back at Christmas. Could you be so kind as to help me again and do a bit of copyedit on Highlander: The Series (season 1) ? This list is currently a FLC and Scorpion0422 said the episode summaries need polishing. I did my best on them, but I'm not a native English speaker and I'd be really grateful if you cared to have a look. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 07:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Help me!
Hello, User:Koalorka is talking very rudely to me and he is insulting Turkishness. Please help me because he hates Turks and he always behaves hateful to me. Please look his message. Thanks! Izmir lee (talk) 13:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

SharedIPEDU
Hi Happy-melon. I recently noticed that you make some changes to the SharedIPEDU template. It seems these changes removed the RSS feed link, which is present within the other SharedIP/ISP templates. Is it possible you could restore that link, as I'm sure it is quite helpful for the administrators managing those educational IPs. [Jam] [talk] 23:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for updating the template.  [Jam] [talk] 14:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Betacommand thread
Hello Happy-melon. I reverted your edits to the subpage because it's just too serious to move to there. It needs to be easily available to everyone. I hope you understand.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  22:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, it is big, but I think we need to keep discussion here, at least for another 12 hours to give everyone time to comment. We can move it over after a big longer. Sound ok?  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  22:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Templates WikiProject Dance
I saw the tidying you did at Template:WP Australia and wondered if you could help with Template:WikiProject Dance, it works fairly well but there are some things not working properly such as List does not show up on the banner (see Talk:List of dances). Thanks. Paul foord (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Updating WikiProject Dance cross posted from User talk:Paul foord - I use Balletyes together with nestedyes extensively to avoid having to put two seperate templates, WikiProject Dance and WikiProject Ballet. Doing so saves screen space and produces a banner giving both WikiProjects' names. — Robert Greer 19:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * not cross posted - There are only a few dozen Wikipedians writing seriously about dance, scarcely two dozen about ballet; for my part I've been kept fully occupied trying not to fall too far behind New York City Ballet to worry about anything else. As you mention class is important (I use it often, in place of nested with re-direct, disambiguation, list and category pages.) Of the rest, portal looks interesting; there is a well-developed Portal:Dance, and Paul foord and I have begun Portal:Ballet, but it's nowhere near ready to announce. When that time comes, we may need seperate Dance-portal and Ballet-portal tags (the WikiProject Dance template is purely Paul foord's bailiwick.) — Robert Greer (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Than you for your response. (I have noted this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance. The following would be useful: Comments are used occasionally
 * General parameters
 * class
 * importance
 * portal
 * attention (where Ballet=yes can this categorise to category:Ballet articles needing attention or does it need Ballet-attention=yes?)
 * needs-infobox
 * needs-image
 * nested
 * small
 * auto:
 * Wikiproject specific parameters
 * Ballet
 * Ballet-importance
 * Ballet-attention (see attention=yes))

Not in use are (plus any others not above):
 * orphan
 * maindykdate (last updated in 2006)
 * peer-review
 * -- Paul foord (talk) 02:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I use the shortcut WP Dance quite regularly. The discussion should probably be continued at Template talk:WikiProject Dance Paul foord (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Pp-meta family templates
Hi, I just undid a few of your edits. Specifically, I undid your edit to which simplified its icon-text and undid two consecutive edits to  which changed its tooltip text setup. I did this for two reasons: one, I believe that your changes to broke its tooltip functionality as you moved the icon-text setup from the tooltip section of the ImageMap (from the part after the pipe within the page link) to the alt-text section of the imagemap (the part where one would normally place an image caption). This broke the tooltip functionality as I could see it in Safari 3.1.1 for Mac OS 10.4.11; it displayed " " instead for. Secondly, I personally believe that the tooltip text should be as descriptive as possible, even at the expense of being short. This is specifically why I reverted your edit to, which turned a very descriptive summary into a mere label. I then made one further edit to that template to improve the descriptiveness by including an additional word, "indefinitely".

I want to emphasize that I don't have any problem with you; this is not an attack on you or your edits and I don't want it to be a dispute but, to be frank, I don't think that those edits improved the templates. I'm open to discussion – it is certainly possible that I'm missing something. Cheers, Nihiltres { t .l } 19:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I don't bite :D! I was responding to this legitimate criticism of the system, which is that the template with yes is difficult to differentiate for users with colour blindness. My edits added tooltips to the small padlocks to allow differentiation, which do not display in IE7 under the current code.  I'm not entirely sure where you say you see the 'broken' tooltip in Safari.
 * I'm not tremendously fussed how comprehensive the tooltip is; but I think that the current contents of for  (which does not currently display any tooltip at all over the small padlock in IE7) is too long.  Given that the padlock links directly to the relevant section of WP:PPOL, why is it necessary to include anything more than "This template is fully protected"?? (I realise that this is more than my version contained; I'm just pointing out the redundancy in the full text).  Whatever text is used, however, I would appreciate it if you would restore whichever parts of my edits were responsible for displaying the tooltips over the small padlocks in IE7, which are currently lacking.  Happy‑melon 19:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've re-added the part of your code that added text to the "alt text" or "caption" part of the ImageMap. It provides your text unless overridden by . That should, I hope, solve the IE7 issue. I'm still skeptical of short wording, but we can always start a larger discussion to see what people think.  Nihiltres { t .l } 20:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :D Happy‑melon 21:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Archiving old FACs
Happy-m, Gimmetrow suggested I ask you about an archiving bot job, because he's say it's similar to what you did with PR. I'm a bit confused on this score, since most of the code is already part of GimmeBot. When you have a chance, can you peek in on the work we're doing at Template talk:ArticleHistory/work? When we first set up articlehistory, we went back and built AH for all WP:FAs and WP:FFAs, but we left a lot templates on talk pages (there were thousands, and cleaning up those talk pages would have involved sorting out a lot of GA and PR errors that we just didn't have time to do). Subsequently, other editors have built templates without correctly archiving the FACs, which causes a problem on the pre-load of  when editors re-nominate an article (they encounter an old fac, and then mess up the moving and archiving). So, we have to go back and archive failedfacs from articles that already have articlehistory built without having archived the FAC. Then, GimmeBot can continue building articlehistory on the ~ 400 remaining  templates that are on pages without an ah. Gimmetrow thought you could do the archiving portion. Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 00:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyediting
Hi! I'm a major contributor to the article Civil Air Patrol, at FAC now at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Civil_Air_Patrol. I noticed you were listed as an active member on the League of Copyeditors, and there have been some concerns raised over the tone and prose of the article. I'm too close to the text to be able to see the issues in language presented. I wondered if you could help make some major copyedits to the article so that it can be made into Featured Article quality. &mdash; scetoaux (T|C)  19:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work so far! You're not stopping, I hope! :) &mdash;  scetoaux (T|C)  22:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to sleep sometime you know :D Happy‑melon 22:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, time zones and all that. It's dinner (supper?) time here. &mdash;  scetoaux (T|C)  22:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage and User:Betacommand
Beta requested it ages ago to do something – honestly, I have no idea what that was now. Seeing that he could already edit via his bot account, it really is / was no big deal to add his main account. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was a bit brief here before as I was running out the door as I was responding. There were several reasons that I added the name, namely, (A) he already had access to AWB, (B) from what I've been told, it's trivial to override the list locally anyway, (C) all it allows for is removing the annoying 'ad,' a bit faster edit rate, and automated edits (which, again he had through the bot account, and I, personally, used to use an automated clicker when I used AWB), (D) it wasn't as though it was marking his edits as 'bot' in RecentChanges or the watchlists, and (E) other accounts on that list are not bots. I hope that clarifies a bit. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

ANI
I think you would be interested in this discussion: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Cheers, nat.utoronto 01:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Copy-edit
Hey Happy-melon, I saw you have yourself listed as a copy editor at WikiProject League of Copyeditors. Natalee Holloway is up for WP:FA and asked us to get an independent copy edit before she can support. If you have the time, I'd appreciate any copy editing you can provide. Thanks, - auburn pilot   talk  20:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace
huh? -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason you deleted the talk page associated with Template messages/User talk namespace? With over 2500 edits to it, we use it quite a bit. --Kralizec! (talk) 15:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes that was me going far too fast with closing a bulk TfD - I expect that I deleted a template, went to the talk page to G8 it, and went straight to the delete tab without realising it was a redirect... Happy‑melon 15:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought I was deleting Template talk:3RR5-multi :D <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 15:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I know what happened now. All the warning template talk pages redirect here so that we could have centralized discussion.  --Kralizec! (talk) 15:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice one :) I was wondering why the deletion log suddenly appeared in my watchlist for some reason. Oh well all's well in the end. Khu  kri  22:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

BAG process
These prior "BAG-coms" Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Approvals_group/Archive_5 and Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Approvals_group/Archive_3 may be of interest.  MBisanz  talk 21:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I linked to the latter of those threads earlier in the discussion - that's exactly what I want to do - have a sensible, evidence-based discussion and come to a sane conclusion; but (as usual) apathy seems to be taking hold... How do you think it best to proceed? <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 21:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I have recused myself from any Betacommand related BAG matters, but I would suggest either contacting another current BAG member and asking them to file the matter, or jointly filing it with another non-BAGer (for credibility purposes), closer to the form of the most recent BAGcom than of the earlier meandering discussion thread.  MBisanz  talk 04:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo
Please be quick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.102.27 (talk) 18:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't like to repeat myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.102.27 (talk) 18:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Then please be more specific in the first instance. Please be quick to do what?? <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 19:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Search box
I experimented with moving the search box between the "navigation" and "interaction" links, but I thought that it wasn't much of an improvement. Nonetheless, here is the code you can paste into your URL bar to see how a page would look that way: <pre style="overflow:scroll"> javascript:void(document.getElementById("column-one").insertBefore(document.getElementById("p-search"), document.getElementById("p-interaction"))) —Remember the dot (talk) 03:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Reward for loyal service

 * Thanks! <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 09:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Plan A failed. Let's try Plan B...
 * Could you please answer a question of mine? Waltham, The Duke of 10:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations
... On being the first name I found when I had a question to ask. Hopefully this won't irritate you too much. If there is one thing that irritates me about wikipedia, it's articles which link back to themselves (via redirect). I find it disruptive to reading, and generally an inconveniance. Naturally, going through millions of wikipedia pages by hand to weed these things out is impossible, but I lack the ability to code a bot to do so by hand. I've been unable to find an official place to pose this query, so I've asked you in the hope that you will either redirect me to a place where it can be asked, or answer it yourself.

A) Does Wikipedia have an official policy about article's which link back to themselves? B) If they are taboo, what steps could I take in getting a more proficient, and undoubtably morally superior, person to code a bot to remove them?

Thanks alot, and I appologize for intruding on your otherwise serene wiki-experience. Simon Smncameron (talk) 14:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Self-redirects are certainly extremely irritating, and utterly useless as you say. They are (in  my experience) most commonly created when material is 'spun out' of a large article into one or more smaller ones.  For instance, an editor may split from an article about a TV series material about one of its characters.  Links are created across wikipedia to this new article; and it is only later realised that the new article does not meet WP:N or some other important policy, and so the material is merged back into the article or deleted altogether. If the content is merged back to the article, then in order to preserve the attributions of any edits made to the material while it was split (for GFDL compliance), we have to keep the edit history of the article, so it needs to stay as a redirect and can't just be deleted.
 * In answer to your main questions, A) no, we don't have an official policy on this issue (you'd be surprised how many things we don't have a policy on :D - it's most of them!) but common sense would suggest that links on an article, which link to a redirect to the top of that article, may be safely removed as and when you see them. Links to a redirect to a specific section of the article, however, might still be useful; this is the main problem with having these links removed in an automated fashion - it would be impossible for a bot to know when they make sense and when they're just making circles. I'd encourage you to use your judgement and to remove any links that obviously don't make sense whenever and wherever you find them.  While I don't think an automated removal of these links would be a good idea, for future reference requests like this can be made at Bot requests, or WP:BOTREQ for short. Hope this helps, <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 21:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Internet's First Non-Anonymous Video Chat
You ought to have explained how and let me move the page under my user pages, since I asked for that. How do you do that? Teemu Ruskeepää (talk) 10:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Subst
Hi. I just noticed that your subst at Negros Occidental Science High School resulted quite different from mine. What am I missing here? Thanks. - Nabla (talk) 11:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Before I went through substituting the templates, I edited the template and replaced <tt> {{# </tt> with <tt> {{ subst: # </tt>. Consequently, when the template is then substituted on a page, instead of a mess of parser functions, a mess of <tt>subst:#if</tt> style parser functions appears, which automatically sorts itself out when you save the page.  Just a little trick I picked up somewhere... it does cause the template to misrender spectacularly when not substituted, but since it was about to be deleted anyway that was no big deal. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 20:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Thanks! - Nabla (talk) 21:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hello. Can you go through the Synthesizer article and add tags in the appropriate places? I've done a lot of cleanup/rewrite work on this article (and all those existing citations were added by me), but I think it would be beneficial if someone else went through looking for the places that need citations still. Hope you can help, thanks. — <strong style="color:#f42c39;">Wackymacs ( talk  ~  edits ) 14:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got an awful lot on my plate at the moment, but I'll have a look if I get time. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 14:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:WPBannerMeta
The core issue with this template is the use of |- as the first thing in many of the conditional parser functions. Most (or all) parser functions strip out leading white space. So, the  s are being used as a hack of sorts to force white space before any uses of |-. For example...

expands to...

but...

becomes...

I actually ran into this very issue today on another template. The usual fix is to put |- at the end of the conditional, and then to adjust all of the other |- uses in the template accordingly. Though, I think an easier fix is to replace  with &amp;#32;. --- RockMFR 23:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're the one who created this. I guess you probably understand most of this already. I've bolded the key point of my message above. --- RockMFR 23:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Cite journal
Hi, would you mind taking another look at the edits I'm proposing at Template talk:Cite journal? The imbalanced brace issue is certainly sorted, and could use updating ASAP; I'm pretty sure the other edit will work as you suggested too. Thanks for your help, Smith609  Talk  10:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Question about WPBannerMeta template
I was wondering if the "full" quality scale option on the WPBannerMeta template includes "Future" class articles as an option. The full scale includes categories, templates, redirects, etc, but it's unclear if there's an option for Future-Class articles (such as Category:Future-Class Horror articles). Many thanks in advance! --Craw-daddy | T | 19:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It currently does not include future-class, unfortunately. I'm working on a complete overhaul of the quality assessment code, so I'll try and remember to add future-Class when I commit that update; I'll let you know when I've done so.  Thanks for suggesting! <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 19:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response! A couple of other thoughts that I've had about this... (1) I'm guessing that a "Future-Class" category would likely be assigned a NA-importance rating (like categories and such), but your thoughts might differ, and (2) I have noticed that some category structures use "importance" (such as "High-importance board and table game articles") but others use "priority" (like "High-priority strategy game articles").  Perhaps there should be an option to specify the name (i.e. "importance" or "priority" or something else(?)) of the category structure.  Maybe there is and I have overlooked it, but the few "priority" ones I have seen don't use the WPBannerMeta template.  Just thought I would mention these things.  Feel free to ignore them.  ;)  --Craw-daddy | T | 22:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've now added "Future" as an acceptable choice for the class parameter. It is currently not on the list of classes which receive an automatic NA-importance rating, as I can see how it could be useful to prioritise upcoming articles.  There is currently no support for using anything other than "importance" in the category names (although you can of course use a parameter priority instead of importance by putting importance in your banner template), and I don't have any intention of adding that functionality: part of the value of implementing a meta-template is that it encourages the standardisation of these little things, which can be very annoying when you expect to find something at one location when it's actually in another.  <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 21:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

your closing of a recent TfD here
Would you mind looking at the discussion again? You put that the result of the debate was redirect when noone even mentioned the word redirect. I don't see why the template can't just be orphaned and deleted. As a prt of the orphaning, either with <tt>  </tt>'' If the article appears in the FA list, replace  with <tt>  </tt> *If the article appears in the GA list, replace  with <tt>  </tt> If there are other banners on the talk page, which agree on their rating, copy that rating to the new banner Otherwise, leave unassessed (replace  with <tt>  </tt>)
 * Fine, although many articles with a stub template will already have (e.g. Talk:Matilde di Shabran) - is that a problem?
 * Fine, though we do have a couple of FLs (List of important operas, List of major opera composers) which presumably should have class=FL
 * Fine
 * No thanks, we don't trust other Projects' ratings of operatic subjects, I'm afraid! Treat as below
 * Fine. I'll look forward to hearing from you about the initial trial run.
 * --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 16:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * A few things have arisen. First, when we get round to doing assessments we want to leave comments for future action.  SatyrTN set up a system for our Wagner project articles in which, if we created a page called Talk:Articlename/Comments then the banner had a link which took you to that page.  See, for example, Talk:Die Feen.  If no comments page existed then there was no mention of comments within the banner.  I believe I mentioned this in my original bot request a few weeks ago.  To test this with an article that Melonbot has processed, I set up a dummy Comments page for a little-known opera librettist at Talk:Jules Verne/Comments, but no reference to this has appeared on the banner, not to my surprise.  WPBannerMeta doesn't seem to quite cover this, or am I wrong?  I notice, by the way that the comments page activation seems to work for  - see, for example, Talk:York Museum Gardens.  Any thoughts on this?


 * Also, I see that Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Opera has picked up pages such as Telenor which incorporate Template:OperaBrowser. Is this a problem?


 * Once the present run has finished, I'm wondering whether it might be possible to go through all the articles in Category:Opera and subcats in order to pick up articles which haven't got the banner on their Talk pages. Any thoughts?


 * --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 18:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply - a trawl through the cats would definitely be a good follow-up. On Comments, I'm really not happy with the all-or-nothing option with, in the absence of comments, the banner displaying a note asking editors to add their own comments (which I think is what's been implemented in the Yorkshire Project). Editors can comment on Talk pages;  the Comments sub-page is for Assessors to justify their ranking and suggest improvements.  It would be great if you could code something up and hang it on |BOTTOM_TEXT= or (definitely better) add it to  itself.  Thanks for all your help.  And, by the way, I'm out of here for two days from about 2pm tomorrow (Sat), so feel free to contact Kleinzach if anything arises between then and c230pm Mon.  He's on Japanese time, though! --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 21:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Any chance of an update on what's happening? The 50-article trial went OK (subject to the correspondence above) and I was sort of expecting that the rest would follow, but the Bot seems to have been spending its time on Discworld, football, etc. --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 17:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, sorry for the delay; I've been fairly busy (read "snowed under") with off-wiki things this week, and I've barely had time to get on-wiki at all (not that you'd guess from my contribs :D). Essentially the issue is that I can't really plough on with your tagging until I have full bot approval, and I won't get that until I do the Discworld trial, for which I need a couple of solid hours where I can run the script and just sit and watch what's running across my screen and make sure it's not doing something stupid.  I will try (and this is, unfortunately, the same sort of "try" as I said last time, so read "will eventually get round to") and do the Discworld run this weekend, from which we can press forward.  Again, I'm really sorry for keeping you hanging around: the bot-operating community hasn't exactly earnt five stars for service on this particular request! But I'm sure you'll understand, we all do (regrettably :D) have things to do in the Real World <tt>:-(</tt>... <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 21:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To something useful for you with the ten minutes I've got now, I've added a note to to display a link to a comments subpage if one exists.  As you can see, it's fairly simple and basic - do change the wording if you think it could be improved. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 21:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the above, tiny Comments typeface notwithstanding. And, in view of this green page, and not to discount your Real World activities, uh, any chance of, er, ......?? --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 00:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether you're watching my Talk page, but, if not, you might have missed this. Feel free to reply here or there. --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 14:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for organising the cleanup. We'll chew over what to do about the remaining "unassessed" articles - probably deal with them on a case-by-case basis, is my current thinking.  I hadn't realised that redirects like Arleen Augér would have the Opera banner.
 * The one remaining thing that (IIRC) you said that you could do for us would be to whizz through articles in Category:Opera and all its subcategories, looking for "lost articles" which should have but don't have the banner on the Talk page. As previously, Stubs, GAs, FAs, FLs would get those classes and all the rest would get Start.
 * Thanks for all your help. --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 14:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Urgent! I just realised that we don't want the Opera banner on Wagner or Gilbert and Sullivan pages (they have their own banners and assessments), but I see that Melon-bot is doing so. See my last edits on my Talk page. --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 10:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You said "any dodgy subcats are likely to be in Category:Operas, Category:Opera genres or Category:Opera singers." I've checked through all of these. Operas has sub-cat Category:Operas by genre, from which I've removed Category:Oratorios which was one of the problems. Category:Opera singers had sub-cat Category:Singers by range which I've removed, as it contains subcats which include James Blunt et al - any proper opera singers are in the cats "Operatic [type of singer]....". As for Opera genres, it has a sub-cat Category:Operetta which has a further sub-cat Category:Gilbert and Sullivan  This IS a valid subcat BUT it has its own banner (Template:G&S-project), so please can you skip any article that has this on its Talk page.  If that's a problem, I can do a temporary fix while the bot runs.  Duplicating this on my Talk page.  I'll now get back to checking the bot problems --<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b><i style="color:blue;">Tell</i> 15:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo
Please add Sierra Leone.84.134.87.152 (talk) 19:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding European parliament recognized Kosovo. Secondary sources you mention never published news that EP recognized Kosovo as independent state. This was never an issue in EP. They have raised a flag of Kosovo, some members of EP interpreted it as recognition. That's all that says in those sources.--Irić Igor -- Ирић Игор -- K♥S (talk) 20:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This page is not the place to debate the merits or demerits of the edit or its sources. If you can establish a consensus for the opinion above on the talk page of the article, then I or any other admin will revert the change.  If you feel that my edit constitutes an abuse of administrative tools, then you need to post at WP:ANI.  However, there is no point in having a discussion on this page, as it merely constitutes a fork of the debate. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 20:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for tips.--Irić Igor -- Ирић Игор -- K♥S (talk) 20:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

MelonBot deleting undeleted template
MelonBot seems to be deleting Template:Foreignchar from article pages with the comment that the template has been deleted. It has not, and the TfD on it is still open: Templates for deletion. I know that this has happened to Übermensch, where I have reverted the change. RJC Talk Contribs 22:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I intend to (have now actually done) close the TfD as delete, and was removing the transclusions, prior to deleting the template, prior to closing the TfD. Slightly confusing order, I know. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 22:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That deletion spree has attracted more attention of users actually involved with the articles affected. Please check back the the TFD page. Agathoclea (talk) 07:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:Foreignchars
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:Foreignchars. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Agathoclea (talk) 07:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:Foreignchar
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:Foreignchar. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Agathoclea (talk) 07:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you check back at deletion review - thanks. Agathoclea (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That seems fairly comprehensive: I've restored and relisted the templates. I'm really not sure what to do about restoring the ~700 transclusions that were removed when the template was deleted; I think if the template is kept we should take this opportunity to adjust the syntax slightly such that we can merge and  together: there really is no point whatsoever in having two different templates to handle two instances of the exact same problem. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 10:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you ok with me rollbacking your removals of the templates? Agathoclea (talk) 10:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * After looking at the template again, I want to alter its syntax: 1 should be the "alternative title", and parameters 2 onwards should be individual accented characters; that way, I can add a simple switch into the template to display "characters... they are not available..." when 2 is defined, and "character... it is not available..." otherwise. That way we can combine the two templates and get at least some good out of the whole incident. Given the large number of restorations to make if the template is kept I'll write a script to change the syntax en masse.  What do you think? <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 10:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That does sound like a brilliant idea. It will be one less template to worry about. What I was more concerned about was the reinstatement of the templates where there have been removed, otherwise the TFD notice on the template itself is moot, due to the fact that it is no longer transcluded anywhere. Agathoclea (talk) 10:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm perfectly happy with you restoring the templates - as you say it rather defeats the object of the exercise if the relisted TfD gets as little participation as the previous one! I have now modified the template, so simply rolling back MelonBot's edits will not be sufficient: each one needs to have its syntax altered slightly. this is the list of all pages MelonBot removed  and  from (beware there are also a few random edits in there); I've restored the template with the new syntax in the top instance (Algés): you can see the overall change in this diff.  My recommendation would be start restoring them by hand; if it looks like the TfD is leaning towards keep, then I'll run a script to restore the templates en-masse automatically.  <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 12:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Mistake on editprotected
The correct link in the EL section of Prem Rawat to the sister project Wikisource should be  and not  <tt>  </tt>. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 19:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wasn't me guv, I just copied what was in the sandbox! Fixed it, tho. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 19:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Templates for deletion/Log/2008 May 25
How was this a weak keep? If anything, there wasn't enough input and it should have been open for longer. --NE2 21:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you're right: I've relisted it. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 09:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

And now for something completely different
Hello,

I've noticed you're currently active, and that is the sole criteria for this message. I need a completely neutral party in a debate to take a screenshot of a Wikipedia project and upload it (I'm an administrator and will delete the image, no worries about leaving garbage behind). Would you be so kind as to do this? Should you decline, please do so explicitly so I can pick on another random victim. :-) Thank you! --Gutza T T+ 21:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well of course I'm always willing to help, but what exactly do you want? <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 09:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Arthropod template
Hi there. Thanks for updating the template arthropodTalk to accept class= etc, but I notice there is a bug with it (see talk:amphipoda). When using start class, it shows a in the assessment field instead of 'start-class'. Could you check the code and see if you can fix whatever is causing this? Richard001 (talk) 08:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 09:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Unanimous
I understand there was an editprotect to change "unanimous" to "unopposed"...seeing that there was NO consus reached, how is it uncontroversial that you completely removed the word? If I put an editprotect to change (example) Russian entry completely and everyone opposes to a different change (possibly of wording) this does not constitute a "uncontroversial edit" to completely wipe out the Russian entry because neither option A or B reached a consensus. What do you think? --Kosova2008 (talk) 20:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This page is not the place to debate the merits or demerits of the edit. If you can establish a consensus for your opinion above on the talk page of the article, then I or any other admin will revert the change or alter the wording further. Until then, the page will remain (perpetually) in the Wrong Version.  If you feel that my edit constitutes an abuse of administrative tools, then you need to post at WP:ANI.  However, there is no point in having a discussion on this page, as it merely constitutes a fork of the debate. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 12:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC) You might recognise this wording from above.  It applies just as much to any editprotected request.

Wikipedia talk:Flagged revisions
Thanks for your comments in regards to my suggestion. I'm still trying to get to grips with the process and all it's possibilities so I'm sorry if the idea wasn't very well thought out. No offence was intended and I apologise if my lack of technical knowledge came off as undermining your work and expertise. Regards, Guest9999 (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe don't worry, I've got sod all to do with FlaggedRevisions (my response to your thread was my first comment on that page), and we're all trying to get our heads around what the extension can and can't do. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 17:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Db-u1
Nice work there. : - ) I guess it showed that I was tired / lazy when I wrote that code. Took like six edits to get it working properly and it was rather hackish. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 19:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Recent deletion debate
It is unclear to me if this debate includes only the German national team template or also the other templates mentioned in the debate (Greece 86, Germany 2006 etc). If so, should the tfdend template be added to all the others?--ArnoldPettybone (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gulp! I'd completely forgotten about the template!  And have done so on every TfD I've closed tonight <tt>:S</tt>.  But yes, the closure applies to all the templates listed.  I'm not sure how best to do it, but we desperately need an objective, cast-iron community decision about what teams do and what teams don't merit templates like these, because it's getting quite ridiculous. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 20:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

About Colour of Magic (Tv-movie) I think that the explication on the age of Rincewind and David Jason has to be in the page. It's simply that is a major criticism to the film, and it cannot be stated without a right motivation (and none of the references really bring a proof the error in casting Jason as Rincewind... the speak of "readers immaginary" and so...), and in the movie it's clearly specified that Rincewind studied in the UU for 40 years, so it's very confusing not to quote at least where the readers can find the proof of the change from 20 to 40. Maybe we can do a "Criticism" section instead of leaving it in the "Cast" section, but this is an encyclopedia, we are supposed to put in every page all the objective information we can find... not make a summary... it's the reader of the page that have to decide what information needs... Also Middle-aged it's very confusing, because (as you can see from the middle-aged page) it's a very subjective term... according to someone it's from 35 to 45... according to other it's from 40 to 65...) but Rincewind age has been calculated about 32 (from the admission age of other young wizard in the saga, and the two quote I inserted and you deleted)... i think mid-thirties was the most correct term. PS. I'm new on Wikipedia and English is not my first language, so if I made some mistake correct me... Evanderiel (talk)

Thanks, however
Hi, thank you for fulfilling the editprotected request I made. However you accidentally removed the later addition of useful edits, specifically these edits, which I think are not contested. If you could re-add that, it would be great. Sorry for the hassle. 1 !=  2  16:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅, I hope. <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 16:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, I appreciate it. 1 !=  2  04:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Opinion on partial Solar Energy copyedit
Hey - I was wondering if you'd give me some input on the copyedit I'm working on for Solar Energy. I've got almost two thirds of the way through, but I'm unsure whether I'm being too aggressive or not aggressive enough with regard to things like removing what I consider to be extraneous content. I'm using my userspace to edit things for now, since I don't want to leave the active copyedit tag on the actual article for more than an hour or two. Here are my changes: There seem to be a lot of US-centric statistics in the article, some of which I've cropped, and I've removed and/or copied a few of the examples of technologies to subarticles. Any suggestions welcome! Adacore (talk) 14:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally looks very good! I do hate it when America takes over articles like this which have no obvious ties to the US, so I applaud you for removing some of the more egregiously unnecessary US examples.  However, I'm not sure I would go so far as to remove every example from the US (I don't know if you've done so, only having looked at your diffs, not the full text); if the installation is an extraordinary or relevant example, it deserves to be included no matter where in the world (or history) it's located.  On a purely personal level, I think that the note about Tiberius' cucumbers is excellently light-hearted (humorous while at the same time being both relevant and verifiable) and probably deserves to be reinstated.  On a trivial note, you left a bit of 'scaffholding' at line 205, which I'm sure you'd have remembered to remove anyway, but just in case :D. Other than that, it looks like a very good job! <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 16:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The only problem I had with Tiberius' cucumbers was that the method used didn't really sound like a greenhouse when I scanned the greenhouse article (it's described in more detail there), however rereading it I think I was mistaken, so will reinstate the reference as I agree it's interesting and light-hearted, which is always welcome in an article, especially one as long as this. Thanks for the feedback. Adacore (talk) 16:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Banner standardisation
I added an in-development PHP script that should effectively go through the WikiProject Banners and deal with them appropriately. Right now, the script has been written to the point where it moves any banners that can be moved. Unfortunately, I cannot write a script for deletion, as I am not an admin and do not know what POST fields to use for a deletion HTTP request. I put the script on WikiProject Council/Banner standardisation/Code. If you have any suggestions for the code (such as replacing deletion with just tagging for deletion, which I might add), please tell me on my talk page. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ message] email) 21:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User access levels
I saw your name on the talk page for Wikipedia:User access levels. I'm not sure if you monitor the page Wikipedia:User access levels, but, FYI, I edited Autoconfirmed users as explained at Edits to Autoconfirmed users. Just posting in case you wanted to review my change. Thank you. JohnABerring27A (talk) 22:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Editing LOCE for others
I tried to edit the LOCE request for copyediting of Brian Horrocks to update it with the fact that Finetooth did the ce (and said I could mark it as done). This seems to have worked fine on the WP:LOCE/R page, and on the LOCE request page for the article, but the template on the article talkbox hasn't updated - any ideas? Did I screw up somewhere, or does the template not like it unless you actually sign your own name? Adacore (talk) 04:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just a caching issue: it displays correctly for me, and will for you too if you purge the page (Ctrl+F5 on IE7, not sure about FF). Good work! <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 13:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope - still not showing up for me even if I do a Ctrl+F5 and clear the cache. Ah well - doesn't really matter, I'm more concerned with shifting stuff on the LOCE page, and that bit worked. My target for today is a relatively modest proofreading of Elizabeth I and Hezbollah. Adacore (talk) 13:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How strange. Oh well, as you say, it's not important.  <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 13:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Assessments and WikiProject templates
Hi Happy-melon

Since you volunteered to help others on the Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment page, I was wondering if you would be willing to help your old WikiProject Mixed Drinks pal figure out how to get the Project assessment pages and template actually working. The bot analyzes the pages every day, but nothing is showing as assessed. It's very annoying to me. Think you could help me get it working? Hope so. Thanks! Glad to see you have become so active here. -- Will scrlt  ( Talk ) 06:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, good to see you again! As the banner above says, I'm pretty run off my feet right now; I can tell you what the problem is, but you'll have to give me a few days before I can help you fix it.
 * The 1.0 Assessment bot works by counting the number of articles in categories. So the problem is twofold: first of all, the category structure of most of the taskforces doesn't exist yet! You need to imitate the structure that already exists for the Mixed Drinks project at Category:Mixed drink articles by quality: a parent category Category:Foo articles by quality, which is a subcat of Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments.  Within that you need Category:FA-Class Foo articles (note uppercase "Class" and lowercase "articles") which is also a subcat of Category:FA-Class articles - that way, the bot will know how you want the articles in that category to be classified.  You can actually name it Category:Pretty damn good Foo articles and, as long as it's a subcat of Category:FA-Class articles, they'll still end up in the right place (but please, for the love of god, don't do that - it makes such a mess of bots that aren't as well written as 1.0 bot!).  Most of the categories you need to create are redlinked from the statistics pages you've transcluded onto WP:MIXA.  Once you've done that, you need to solve the problem that the project banner isn't actually categorising any articles into any of these shiny new categories!! You need to add some kind of switch based on class and focus to categorise into the most relevant category.  Take a look at another WikiProject banner for ideas, or Template:WPBannerMeta/qualityscale if you're feeling brave (that's one of mine, which is why it's a bit unintuitive!).  I can help you with that if you need (there are a lot of things I could do to  if I weren't so busy ATM). Good luck, and good to see old friends and old projects back on their feet! <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 13:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry...
My life is, and has been, a swirling vortex of chaos. I guess you can drop me as your adoptee, if you haven't already. You have been quite gracious, and I hope you won't mind if I come to you with the occasional question, if life ever allows me time to become an active participant in Wikipedia again. With gratitude (and remorse) --Skylla-- SkyllaLaFey (talk) 03:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

C-Class
Hi, thanks for your active participation in the recent poll on C-Class, which indicated support for the adoption of the new C-Class level. Since you are one of the strongest supporters of the C-Class idea, I was wondering if you'd be willing to help us out with the rewriting of the definitions, developing a range of examples, etc. Can you help? Cheers, Walkerma (talk) 04:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Cite reference link
Hey. I reverted your change at MediaWiki:Cite reference link for now. I know it is usually said that we should not care about performance, but this change increased the size of some articles by 10 to 20%. That's a pretty big change for a feature that a handful of people may use right now. --- RockMFR 16:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
Hello! I've seen several times during routine browsing that you are technically very skilled, I mean the wiki-code skills. Can I have one tiny request for you regarding, please? - Darwinek (talk) 19:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Baseodeux
is deleting quoted informations in the article Central Europe. He's also ignoring this concensus. --Olahus (talk) 18:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Help:Template
I totally agree with your comments about this, and learned more about templates from a quick skim through your version that from scratching my head over Help:Template. I've posted a comment at which might interest you. Who knows, we might even be able to produce something usable? Philcha (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Your tmbox styles
Hi Happy-melon! I have hard coded examples of the different suggestions for the styles for tmbox on its talk page to facilitate discussion. I also added your suggestion: Template talk:Tmbox. Can you have a look and check that I understood your suggestion correctly?

--David Göthberg (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Help:Template
I totally agree with your comments about this, and learned more about templates from a quick skim through your version that from scratching my head over Help:Template. I've posted a comment at which might interest you. Who knows, we might even be able to produce something usable. Philcha (talk) 13:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for untangling the WP Australia template. I'd been meaning to do it for a while, but your work saves me a lot of time in trying to find optimisations. :) Orderinchaos 11:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

WPBannerMeta
Hey, just checking in on you about the WPBannerMeta add-on thing. Just a recommendation: Why not change around the whole template, constructing everything from hook-on modules. It would be much easier to use, not to mention that it would reduce the template size to exactly what every project needs. I'll work on something in the sandbox in the meantime if I have time. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ message] email) 20:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Requesting for Article About Young Film/Music Artist and Editor for wikipedia
Hey Happy-Melon

Ive been to www.alexgilbertstudios.co.nr lately and this site is about a teenager who is 16 years old and has been working on his own music and film since 2002. He has a list of all the films he has worked on and he has a wikipedia like page on the website too..

Click Here to see the page about Alex Gilbert

He is very talented and he has also got a youtube account active at www.youtube.com/user/alexgilbertstudios

Go to my discussion page for any questions..He deserves a wikipedia article about him after all the projects he has worked on since 2002 in his city in New Zealand.

Thanks Heaps Filming NZ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmingnz (talk • contribs) 07:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Looking at the link you gave, it seems highly unlikely to me that this person would satisfy our notability guideline for biographies, as his work has not been covered by reliable, independent sources that are not self-published.  <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 16:36, 28 June 2008 (UTC)