User talk:Hardy High Points

Welcome
Hello  and welcome to Wikipedia! I am Ukexpat and I would like to thank you for your contributions.  ''Click here to reply to this message.''  ukexpat (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Article creation
My guess, based on what's happened to other folks, is that you previewed your draft, but then didn't hit the "Save page" button. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  20:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Help request
I saw your request for help to Ukexpat and looked at your contribution history - I don't see anything except the request for help and your posts to Ukexpat. Any edits to Wikipedia will show up immediately - if they don't, it could be a browser issue or simply hitting the wrong button (i.e., something other than "Save page"), then leaving the edit screen. Can you go back in your browser history to the place you submitted?  Acroterion  (talk)  20:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Nope! Didn't preview, had followed all the rules using the wizard, pretty straightforward, so hit the save page, it came back "ok", with the option to edit it (so it must have worked)Hardy High Points (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Did it come back as formatted text, with no edit screen? If you accidentally hit "preview" you get both the formatted screen and the edit window, which means it isn't saved yet. I've done that, then banged my head on the screen. I'd go back in the browser to the edit screen (if you can) and try again, preferably saving the material to a text file to guard against losing it.   Acroterion  (talk)  21:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes sorry, but there is no record of there ever having been a page named Hardy (hill) or Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hardy (hill) as far as I can see, nor are there any 'deleted' edits from your account. This means we can't help you get the page back.  I can only say that Acroterion's advice of saving the text somewhere else first is a very good idea.    —  Soap  —  21:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Will try again anyway, and will take great care over the "submission" process, thanks for your prompt replies.Hardy High Points (talk) 21:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry that it's been frustrating - the system should accept any edits at all right away (much to our regret when the vandals come calling). If it doesn't, persevere, and save locally.  Acroterion  (talk)  21:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * New editors sometimes misunderstand something in the interface and incorrectly think their edit was saved. In some cases a message will appear to report a problem after clicking "Save page". Click the "My contributions" link at top of any page to see your saved edits, but note that if the page is later deleted then the edit will also disappear from your contributions. It can still be seen by administrators like me but your account has no edits to deleted pages. See more at Help:User contributions. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

The submission process is in two stages. You "Save Page", then when it comes back with (another) "human" word test this needs to be typed in and "Save Page" done again (did an "edit summary" as well), then it's in! The Wizard text might helpfully say this?Hardy High Points (talk) 22:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Whether you have to do this depends on your account and your edit. You are not yet autoconfirmed so you have to answer a CAPTCHA when you add external links, whether or not it's in a page creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but Hardy (hill) at the moment looks like one big advertisement for the book and website. – ukexpat (talk) 00:59, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Because we have a policy against usernames that give the impression that the account represents a group, organization or website, I have blocked this account; you are welcome to create a new account with a username that represents only you. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline. If your username doesn't represent a group, organization or website, you may appeal this username block by adding below this notice the text. Thank you. - Dank (push to talk) 01:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And to pile insult on injury, I've proposed that your new article be deleted. It runs very close to immediate deletion under our speedy deletion guidelines, namely G11:advertising. You will need to find outside commentary from reliable third-party sources to support inclusion of this article as being notable, we are not the right website to promote independent ideas or books. Franamax (talk) 02:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's over the G11 line so I have tagged it for speedy deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 03:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hardy (hill)
A tag has been placed on Hardy (hill), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. ukexpat (talk) 03:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Gentlemen - this article is EXACTLY THE SAME as, for example, the article Marilyn (hill). So, since you have not deleted that article, you should not delete this one. Exactly as that article, this article is about a UK hill list which has been published in a book (the first edition being in the later 1990s!) - end of story; and moreover recognised as a valid hill list since then, eg by the Long Distance Walkers Association, which approved the list as an authority on the high points categories it includes in the later 1990s. The British Library allows a book to be published on the internet (the ISBN format specifically allows for this). Marilyns have all sorts of web sites about them, the Hardys web site is exactly the same as them. So I repeat please, delete Marilyn (hill) or undelete Hardy (hill), since both are exactly the same type of article, with exactly the same notability status. If you don't like the username that's easy to change, but the list of Hardys follows ALL your rules for notability etc. I hope this clarifies the situation for you!Hardy High Points (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That argument's called WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and is not considered a viable argument for retention of the challenged article. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  18:19, 16 October 2010 (UTC)