User talk:Hariboneagle927/Archive 4

2013 in the Philippines: Questioning the removal of several events that deemed to be notable
I am still questioning the removal of this event on January 3(the death of Stephanie Nicole Ella due to a stray bullet during New Year Day). I think that would be notable since that case is still unsolved. Is that death a localized event, or a notable event?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 15:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yet many other cases similar to Nicole remains unsolved too, the difference is Nicole's case is highlighted by the media as some kind of a "cover story" to tackle a bigger issue (in that specific case, the annual deaths and injuries during New Year due to stray bullets). That case alone is a local event ultimately. Wide coverage by the national media does not automatically mean it is nationally notable or has nation-wide implications. The same goes for most crimes and viral videos for the same reasons. If its notable nationally, then it gets an entry here regardless if its resolve or not. One example is the Death of Jennifer Laude, since the case itself, the investigations, tested the Philippines-United States relations and bilateral agreements such as the VFA-MDT is in play.

Hope this clarifies things, ask me and other users who made major contributions to a particular page if you have more questions. Thanks for seeking clarifications.

By the way the X in the Philippines article needs a lot of work especially the most recent ones despite being long. We need to trim down events such as dealing with events part of a bigger event (recent example:exchange of dialogue between candidates of the 2016 elections, development of DQ case of certain candidates).

Just a friendly reminder, don't get discouraged from editing, After all we all seek to improve Wikipedia even if we have some difference in certain issues. Discussions like this are healthy and encouraged.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:06, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

2014 in the Philippines - GV Florida bus accident not there on February?
A bus by GV Florida was involved in an accident in February 2014, but why it is not in 2014 in the Philippines? Why it is not in 2014 in the Philippines, as Tado Jimenez died in that accident? In fact, it has its own article named 2014 Mountain Province Bus Accident, but why it is not in 2014 in the Philippines? Is that fatal accident notable in contrast with the 2013 Manila Skyway bus accident?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 16:24, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

As I repeat bus accidents aren't that much notable nationally. The fact that a famous person died in that accident does not merit inclusion in X in the Philippines article. Also, Tado Jimenez is in the "Deaths" section so that would be redundant already. If there is some record involved like the deadliest bus accident recorded nationally (all-time) then include it. It would be great if you also post your concerns at Talk:2015 in the Philippines regarding the inclusion criteria in "X in the Philippines articles" (not necessarily just in 2015) so other users can comment on your questions since I don't hold the monopoly over consensus over the said criteria.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:45, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

2013 in the Philippines: Death of notorious Oscar Dominguez not there?
Oscar Dominguez, the leader of a notorious gang, was killed in an ambush in an area in San Antonio, San Pedro, Laguna. But why it is not in 2013 in the Philippines, and it brought a controversy involving the Philippine National Police whether it officers are involved on the ambush, or it is a "rub-out"? Is that notable enough to be added in 2013 in the Philippines, or it is just a local incident, despite wide coverage by the media? --TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 16:56, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess, yes he could be included in the "Deaths" section since the person is notable himself. An article about him maybe created and put there his criminal career and details of his death. I don't know for the incident itself though. If you have references for related to his death, you can add Dominguez in the "Deaths" section, this is needed since he does not have an article yet.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:00, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I made a search on Google, but cannot find any webpage relevant to Dominguez's death in 2013. Can I find them on several Philippine news websites if they have it on their archives? Or look up at "Dominguez carnapping gang" first, since that Dominguez is one of the leaders of the gang?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, try searching there too. Try entering the site at https://archive.org/web/ if a certain link returns a "404 eror" or a "Page can't be found". If there are no English sources, you may use Tagalog sources too.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:13, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Amusement/theme park incidents in the Philippines
I still do not know whether these amusement/theme park incidents in the Philippines can be included in articles about years in the Philippines:


 * February 14, 2009 - A man dies when he fell on the Star Flyer in Star City
 * December 12, 2007 - Several riders, mostly high school students, are trapped on the Space Shuttle ride in Enchanted Kingdom in Santa Rosa, Laguna

Are these only local incidents or else, although there is one with fatalities? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TagaSanPedroAko (talk • contribs) 15:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes there are local incidents. So no. Although place them under "Incidents" section at the concerned articles (Star City (amusement park) and Enchanted Kingdom) instead and don't forget to add the references. Although the Space Shuttle incident is already in the EK article, you may add some detail to it though.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:20, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Star City seems to lack any information on incidents? Can you add any incidents with any verifiable source, especially from news websites, if they have such archived?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll try to add something in my free time. I'm sure there is at least one.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

New Year-related incidents in the Philippines
New Year-related incidents in the Philippines is always present every year. Hundreds, or even thousands are injured or killed, and sometimes fires happen, just like what happened in Tondo, Manila, where 2 are killed, and said to be caused by a flying firecracker (kwitis). Can we help in creating an article about New Year-related incidents in the Philippines?--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 03:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I guess it would be nice to create, a New Year's Eve celebrations in the Philippines instead. There are no other country-specific New Year article but doesn't mean it can't be made. Listing specific cases is exhaustive and not all cases will be reported by the media so I am not supportive of a list. It would be also good if there is discussion behind these accidents like the cultural influence and superstition why many Filipinos find it mandatory to light firecrackers every New Year. A listing of banned firecrackers can be made in one section and discuss why such material are banned. The stray bullet incidents may be discussed in another section here where specific cases highlighted by the media in the pass may be briefly mentioned such as the Nicole Ella's case but the section itself will be dedicated to stray bullets in general. Currently the "Philippines" section in the New Year's Eve celebration article has no reference at all.


 * But then I don't think adding such cases or related statistics to the "X in the Philippines" is merited. It is sadly WP:ROUTINE and expected that there will be annual deaths during this period. I have no qualms to create the article.--Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, they would be in the scope of New Year's Eve, but I will find a reliable source anywhere in the future. There is already information about firecracker ban in the Philippines, but only the Piccolo is listed. I can find a list of banned firecrackers possibly in government websites.--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016
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DYK for David v. Poe
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Love team listed at Redirects for discussion
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Case against Lt. Col. Ferdinand Marcelino and trial for Janet Lim-Napoles
Two other major events in the Philippines are the case Lt. Col. Ferdinand Marcelino and a trial against pork barrel scam leader Janet Lim-Napoles, along the case against Lowell Mallorca. But, I wonder whether those 2 events can be included here. They would be likely other major event to be added in 2016 in the Philippines, and the latter may be added on the Janet Lim-Napoles article.--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Most probably these cases should be included but only add "landmark events" regarding the case such as arrests, conviction (decision) of the case. Not every hearing, comment, word war, rebuttal, revelations and expression of support by relevant parties should be placed in the X in the Philippines to avoid clutter, but rather on the respective articles.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * An article may be feasible for Ferdinand Marcelino, as he led arrests of high-profile drug lords in the Philippines, like the "Alabang Boys" in 1998. The Janet Lim-Napoles or the Priority Development Assistance Fund scam article has been tagged as outdated since 2014. Maybe it needs updates, such as the trial of Napoles this year.--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:03, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, aside from leading operations against notorious drug lords in the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcelino's arrest is also controversial, as it happened in a drug den raid.--TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 04:08, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes go ahead, create the article anytime.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:38, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I can create a stub article, but you may help, as that will be a biography, and needs to comply WP:BLP. Current news and other reliable sources can help on that article if possible. Possibly, I will rather request it at WP:TAMBAYAN's article request section.