User talk:Harkey Lodger/ Archive 1

Geobox River
Hi, you once asked about the possibility to put references in the Template:Infobox River Geography. The template has gone a long way since then and now references can be put to any field in the infobox, to the appropriate _note (see e.g. Salem River). I've also supplied extensive help. The main page is now Template:Geobox River but the old name is redirected to the new place so nothing gets broken. – Caroig 11:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The map display should be OK now, I fixed the code. The problem was only encountered on IE7, all other browsers got it corrrectly. If you didn't see this problem before, either someone made some changes to the css fixes that Wikipedia software sends to IE7 to correct its numerous bugs or you've switched to IE7 recently. Actually how IE (whichever version) reacts to HTML and CSS is even less predictable than the weather. – Caroig 14:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Geobox 2
Hello, this message is sent to you because you've shown some interest in the Geobox templates in past. There is now a new version (aka Geobox 2) which supersedes all older Geoboxes (aka Geobox 1). The major difference is there are no feature specific templates (Settlement, River, Mountain range etc.) but just one master template which can handle all type of data. There are a couple of new features and many new fields making the template much more versatile so now it can be used for virtually any geography related feature without the need to create a specific template.

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There are several unresolved issues at the Geobox talk page, please add your comments and of course any other ideas you might come with as well as bug reports.

BTW: the template now displays Basin instead of Watershed by default. – Caroig (talk) 09:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Re - Yorkshire
Thanks for the message, my work on the article isn't the finished product yet (work in progress). I don't know if you saw but for some of the more lengthy information, which might be more specific than a general overview of Yorkshire I created articles like Natural and geological history of Yorkshire, Administrative reforms in Yorkshire and Culture of Yorkshire for (the latter of which I've started building with rearch). So writers who know more about those fields can contribute in depth to those areas of Yorkshire without really getting away from a general overview on the main one. - Yorkshirian 01:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Theres nothing wrong with the structure and all of the history parts (especially early) are essential information in an overview of the county and are mentioned in all other overviews of the county off Wikipedia. What do you suggest we do, just like, skip the part about the Celtic people live in Yorkshire and talk about mud and rocks instead? The article is already structured so that it has parts on natural Yorkshire anyway, including the huge "Physical geography" part and then below it a "Nature" section, which also has a Natural and geological history of Yorkshire. Please point out it you could, which decent articles on counties put focusing on mud and rocks even more, over what actually happened ontop of it? - Yorkshirian (talk) 07:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Creating articles
Articles are quite often created on Wikipedia that are never referenced or categorized properly by the initial author. Perhaps if you used the underconstruction tag on an article or used a sandbox to create a draft version in first it would save you trouble. --JD554 (talk) 14:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad I could be of help after all ;-) --JD554 (talk) 14:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Help with Kingston upon Hull
Hello, I saw your kind offer to help with the history and geography sections. Keith D and I have been the major contributors to the Hull article the last few months or so (though more he than I of late, sadly). I did want to mention that I spent several days thoroughly rewriting and sourcing the history section last fall (I've also stated this on the discussion on Keith D's talk page). I can certainly see adding to the history section when convenient, but the bulk of work remains finding sources for the large amount of unsourced existing material in other sections (for instance, I spent an afternoon a few weeks ago finding sources for the material in the Poetry material in the Culture section, a topic about which I know absolutely nothing). But at any rate, whatever help you can give will be most appreciated. Cheers, Doonhamer (talk) 17:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Was just looking at the article history, saw the contributions you made helping to source and tidy the theatre section, thanks for that. Doonhamer (talk) 18:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, please feel free to continue working on the History section, I made the comment above before reading the results of the peer review and seeing the action items for the History section. I'm certain that section could use a fresh set of eyes. Doonhamer (talk) 19:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Hello Harkey!

Just a very quick note (before I go on my Wikibreak!) to say thanks for the review. I will try my utmost to keep calm from here-on, I assure you! Thanks again, --Jza84 | Talk  23:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Harlow Carr Gardens entrance photo
Hi, Any chance you could change the entrance photo Image:Harlow_Carr_Entrance.jpg to the full-size image from the original source location? The current version is too small to be useful for anything.

Rbirkby (talk) 15:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

If you follow the link on the Image page to Geograph, there's a larger (640x479) photo there: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/22/44/224473_c371a78b.jpg

Rbirkby (talk) 12:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

City status in the United Kingdom
Hello Harkey and thanks for your message. City status in the United Kingdom, Towns of the United Kingdom, Counties of England and Regions of England are good places to start. Cities are granted that status by letters patent issued under the Great Seal of the Realm, towns have either a town charter (market towns) or are civil parishes whose councils have declared themselves towns under LGA72 s.245(6).

Metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties were created in 1974 under the LGA72, which abolished the former administrative counties, based largely on the historical or traditional counties and county boroughs. The term ceremonial county arises as unitary authorities are created from districts in metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties by legislation severing their areas from the parent county and technically creating them de jure counties in their own right without a county council. In such cases the unitary district is no longer part of the metropolitan or non-metropolitan county of the LGA72 and no longer comes under the jurisdiction of the county council, but remains in that county for purposes as defined by the Lieutenancies Act 1997. For instance, Peterborough, which became a unitary authority area in 1998, remains within the jurisdiction of the Lord Lieutenant for Cambridgeshire.

The nine Government Office regions formed in 1994, were adopted in place of the eight standard statistical regions in 1999. Although since then East Anglia is re-defined as NUTS Level 2, so still enjoys official status. See Hierarchical list of the Nomenclature of Territorial Units for Statistics and the statistical regions of Europe for a definitive list.

I hope this is helpful. Chrisieboy (talk) 20:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would add that "towns have either a town charter (market towns) or are civil parishes whose councils have declared themselves towns under LGA72 s.245(6)" isn't so as LGA72 s.245(6) was repealed in the 90s (see annotation F3). Hope that helps, --Jza84 | Talk  02:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * 1994 cap.19 refers to Wales. Last time I looked Leeds was in England! Chrisieboy (talk) 13:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire
Hi, thanks for the attempt at improving the project page. The one in your sandbox looks a lot better than the one currently in use. I have updated it in line with the live page.

The only problem I have, though the same applies to the live page as well, is the wording of the Goals & Scope parts.

Under Goals - "about people, places, and things resident in or native to Yorkshire" seems rather strange wording to me.

Under Scope - "its history, geography, and people" always seemed a bit restrictive and does not mention the 3 E's which are covered, Education, Employment and Enjoyment.

If you do not get any more comments I would put your page live and we can take it from there.

I will get round to look at Hull once I have gone though the changes in my watchlist in the last 7 days, just this came up on day 1.

Keith D (talk) 09:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Yorkshire
Hi again, just seen this, and not sure it is required, as there is already the four separate categories covering the four divisions of Yorkshire. May be the four should be made sub-categories of it. Also it should be moved down to the England category.


 * Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the East Riding of Yorkshire
 * Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in North Yorkshire
 * Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in South Yorkshire
 * Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in West Yorkshire

Keith D (talk) 12:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

--Harkey Lodger (talk) 10:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Kingston upon Hull
I have dropped Jza84 a note and ask him to have a look over it again, but I would think that we are ready for a GA submission unless he spots some obvious problems. Keith D (talk) 00:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yorkshire edits
In the edit summary you said "reword for clarity" in an edit which actually removed clarification such as in the intro which said "northern England", it seems to be standard to put "___ England" in the intro of counties as per Lancashire, Lincolnshire, etc. I don't understand how such an edit of removal provided clarification? Thanks. - Yorkshirian (talk) 17:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * In regards to the "a" or "an" thing, I think some users might have discussed that before on the talk and either of the two are fine. Personally I'm not bothered which one, since either are fine : ) - Yorkshirian (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I did beforehand, check the talkpage. - Yorkshirian (talk) 08:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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User:Yorkshirian
I've raised a Wikiettiquette alert over User:Yorkshirian with this diff, particularly over this edit (which is the final straw for me). I would appreciate your commentary at that page as I seek to have this stopped. --Jza84 | Talk  12:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, was this addressed to me? I did mention you in a message to Yorkshirian, but I'm not sure if that's what you meant. If it's for me, I apologise if I've got mixed up somewhere. --Jza84 | Talk  12:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks for bringing to my attention that my original account with lost password were not redirect to my userpage. However the advisary, terse way in which you attacked me, was not acceptable, also you could have just simply asked me in the first place. - Yorkshirian (talk) 08:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, you reverted the last 4 edits on the Safestyle UK page and removed "POV edits" (what does that mean?) and "commercial links" - that's what your note said but what you've actually done doesn't really make sense, as there's nothing that violates anything wiki-related that I can see, so if you could please just explain and help me try to understand what your problem was with those edits? I'm sure you can understand that it's difficult making the effort to improve articles if the edits get removed. Many thanks, Safestyle (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

When I made the edit I was not aware of the above warnings etc. The edits are in contravention of WP:COI and WP:NPOV and there was more than one link to the Safestyle site.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 15:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but it doesn't really explain why you reverted all the edits in their entirety - I'm not sure you really read the changes properly. I have to say that for a site based on freedom of information, it is looking more like a dictatorship.

The above warnings are old news, I'm now trying to work with you: I'll make small, easily-understandable edits for your convenience, so if there's a problem you can then more easily explain what the problem actually is if you decide to revert. Can't say fairer than that... Safestyle (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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Kingston upon Hull
Hi, just wondered if you know what the references in the Nightlife section pointed to on the council web site as both are now dead. I checked them out after a disgruntled user removed their previous contributions after I reverted their new unreferenced additions. I was hoping that I could make some improvement of that section as it is now rather thin on the ground and does not really say much. Keith D (talk) 17:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll have a look to see if I can cached version.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope. Back to the drawing board.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have rejigged it with the reference you found, hopefully it reads OK. Keith D (talk) 18:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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Newsletter
I was just wondering if there was any offers of help for the next Yorkshire newsletter as a result of the appeal in the first newsletter. Keith D (talk) 21:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not so far... I was thinking about it this morning. There are some new members, the Northallerton article is coming on well and the recent changes seem to be getting more attention. Anything else? --Harkey Lodger (talk) 21:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There was the Lealholm GA nomination, should be coming up to review soon with the Kingston upon Hull one, may be one will get started before the end of the month. Keith D (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll get a draft started in a sandbox somewhere, then. Maybe tomorrow, now. If anyone else turns up they're very welcome.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I will be away over weekend, hope they do not do the reviews then. Keith D (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be away Thurs to Mon, too. Gives us some time before the end of this month to get newsletter done and maybe pick up on reviews.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 23:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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EH and NT temp, +
I've made the box I think you were meaning...

As for the Yorkshire article, I was trying to get a section on the architecture started up and then saw how daunting it is, since Yorkshire probably has more of these kinda cultural places than anywhere else in Britain. As well as some like Castle Howard which aren't covered by EH and NT. I'll start a discussion on the project page to discuss what is should include in that section sometime today. - Yorkshirian (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: EH and NT infoboxes ?
Hi Harkey! I'm afraid I'm completely lost on that one. EH and NT infoboxes??... --Jza84 | Talk  10:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahhh... English Heritage and National Trust? No, not that I'm aware of. However, I'm not keen on the above transclusion, which is yet another fork for the resurrection of Yorkshire. I think it needs splitting according to ceremonial county. --Jza84 | Talk  10:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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WP:YORKS progress
I noticed that you are on a beak at the moment, rather bad timing as both Lealholm & Kingston upon Hull are both now on hold for GA reviews. On Lealholm there are further comments by Dr Cash on top of the original reviewers, I have done a couple but do not know anything about place to do the expansions on weather & history. On Kingston upon Hull one user passed it then Dr Cash stepped in and demoted it with a set of comments, I have been working on these though could do with some help on expanding demographics & economy sections if you can get hold of information. I have also copy-edited the newsletter for end of month but the bot seems to have not delivered it as yet, there is a bug report on the user who is looking at the problem. I will be on holiday from next Thursday, not sure when you are back. Keith D (talk) 10:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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Yorkshire Portal DYK
I've removed been as the sentence actually doesn't need it (I tried being but it seemed redundant too). That's what I get from copying content from the Yorkshire project page ;). I only tend to skim the portal stuff as most of its copied from else where.  Putting some instructions on how to edit the different bits of the portal is on my list of things to do with it, which should make it easier for people to correct this sort of thing.  --Kaly99 (talk) 18:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Stats
Hi,, not sure about your addition of policing stats to the Kingston upon Hull article as the figures are for Humberside police which is a much larger area than the city, including parts of Lincolnshire, probably would fit on the Humberside Police article better. Keith D (talk) 22:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, just looking for some padding, really, to get layout moving.--Harkey (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * May be could add something on courts as that is police related, I think mentioned in List of courts in England and Wales. Keith D (talk) 22:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * OK and I'll have a look at culture tomorrow. Not feeling very cultured right now :-) and night life would be a no no !!--Harkey (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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