User talk:Harro5/Archive3

Pic Copyrights
Don't know if you are aware, but thought you would be interested. This pic will evidently be deleted without warning (found it after browsing your user page and the Caulfield Grammar School article: Dukiebbtwin 00:32, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Very Odd Comments You Made on the Clinton Talk Page

 * to your comments on the Bill Clinton talk page...
 * I don't agree or disagree with you, I just can't tell what language you're speaking, or what the words that are coming out of your mouth happen to mean,
 * to clarify I'm refering to this patent nonsense you inserted--64.12.117.14 20:49, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


 * ah, nevermind, somebody else signed your name, it's been reverted now--64.12.116.131 21:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: User:Billymcbillerson
''I'll keep an eye on Billy. He looks like he wants to annoy everyone no end for a little while. Harro5 04:32, August 20, 2005 (UTC)''
 * He's now tagged as a vandal in my instance of CDVF, so I'll be seeing his edits, too. Kelly Martin 04:33, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Pan American World Airways - FA critique
I managed to address the issues you brought up with the article during FAC. Can you look at it again and tell me if there are any other concerns to address? Thanks. Pentawing 17:37, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is still on the FAC page. Can you please look at it and comment? Thanks. Pentawing 21:19, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Concerning the second attempt at FA, I am not trying to prove a point by renominating it so quickly. As I had noted, the article never got any responses after the first two days. In fact, I have even addressed the only comment (yours) to the best of my abilities. I admit that my actions may appear to be gaming the system, yet I noted in the explanation that the responses to the first FAC was very sparse, and that the article was on the FAC page for less than a week.

Also, I have noted that I am waiting for your reply to my addressing your concerns. Sorry for sounding harsh, but I really dislike it when I don't get any feedback after addressing one's concerns. It is obvious that you still have objections, but not telling me (or anyone) what they are is, in my opinion, a great disservice and, to a certain extent, a show of disrespect. As a courtesy, can you at least see if your concerns were met and write out your thoughts (unlike last time)? Otherwise, I honestly can't take the article off the FAC page under the current situation. Thanks. Pentawing 16:23, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Anyways, I am having a bad feeling that the second FAC would receive the same amount of attention as the first one, so I am not sure if this will succeed. I am probably going to contact Raul654 if no one else responds over the next several days for his opinion on this. Pentawing 21:44, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

HappyCamper's RFA - Thanks for your support! :-)
Hi Harro5! Your support on my recent RFA has helped me become an administrator! Thank you for your sincere comments - indeed, I look forward to helping out with WP:CP. I will start slowly at first so that I learn the ropes well. If you ever need to find me, please feel free to leave me a note. Thanks again for your support! --HappyCamper 12:57, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Donald Bradman
Donald Bradman's is this fortnight's cricket collaboration. Thank you for voting for it. =Nichalp «Talk»=  14:29, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for 'setting the ball rolling' and supporting me in my recent RFB nomination. I'm now WP newest bureaucrat. :) Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»=  18:35, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Good work - thank you!
Hi Harro, thanks for your contributions to Vince Young. I'm particularly impressed that you took the time to reformat the references on the Talk page. Best, Johntex\talk 05:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Thredbo Landslide
Hi. You voted at the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight for 1997 Thredbo landslide which has become the current collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can when you return from your trip. --Scott Davis Talk 12:21, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Caulfield school

 * Image:Malvern.jpg is an unfree image and it will be deleted soon.
 * It is subject to a vandal attack. The new image looks like its from a horror movie. Please investigate. =Nichalp «Talk»=  11:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Image source/licensing for Image:Buckley.jpg
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Vallance
I'm a bit unsure of how best to get involved there, but it seems like the article has been appropriately merged at this point in time. If the student reverts it again, feel free to give me a yell. :) Ambi 11:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Bracks
Talk about instant gratification!

Thanks, BenAveling 09:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome!
No problem about the List of famous Caulfield Grammarians reverts. RC patroller TO THE RESCUE! Ironically, after reading that message on my talk page I had to go and revert it again! O_o Mo0 [ talk ] 07:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Emergency department
I wonder if you could consider supporting this article at Article Improvement Drive. Its an important place, where we all go by ambulance if we are very ill, and, I think, worthy of a comprehensive article.--File Éireann 21:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Kyle mansfield
I've speedy deleted the article—it was a non-notable bio and blatant copyvio, both of which are clear CSD. — Phil Welch 05:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

So much for civility
Thanks for the message about quick deletions. Perhaps no one taught you manners, like letting someone know what you're doing before you do it. I was unaware of the test page. You need to pay attention to the Wikipedia rules, such as DO NOT BITE THE NEWCOMERS and LET PEOPLE KNOW BEFORE YOU DELETE THEIR STUFF. Clearly, Wikipedia is such a volatile place that it's unsafe to make mistakes, or even take risks with important information.

You sent me a message that read, in part: "I apologise if I have put you off Wikipedia, but I hope you will reconsider. We have had problems lately with a mass of new articles being created with nothing useful contained in them, and so administrators like myself try to deal with the backlog as quickly as possible, often not consulting with the authors beforehand. I hope you understand that Wikipedia is one of the internet's most popular sites, and with that comes a lot of unwanted material for administrators to sort through, and we usually work hard and fast to delete."

I don't have time to deal with this kind of stuff. All I want to know is how to delete my account.

Harro5, the Mindless Crusader
Well, here's another unhappy victim of Harro5. I set up a page and a one-line article and a few minutes later s/he deleted it. I'm the leader of a government work group that's testing the waters in the wiki world, and there's this self-appointed crusader deleting the first thing I post. So much for Wikipedia. I'll find some other way to do this.

Hopkins School
Tried to cut it down a bit more! Staxringold 03:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Any further advice, or shall I submit it for FA?
 * I have NO idea how to do the custom renumbering. I tried several times, but unsucessfully. Could you nip in and fix that if you know how? Staxringold 13:08, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, I'll be finding about 1 more good image, then submitting the article for FA contention Staxringold 01:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * (Hopefully) Last time I'll bother you on this. Hopkins school is up as an FAC, could really use your support as the other major contributor. Staxringold 21:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, Hopkins lost out, could I get some advice on further fixing it up? Staxringold 15:16, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been talking to the school historian on just that gap in the history, hopefully he'll have some useful information. As for clubs, I leave that up to you as I'm heavily biased. Staxringold 02:24, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There we go, added new Heath shot for ya' to look at. Staxringold 20:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Also updated the DYK and Member section for the Schools Portal, but they aren't showing up on the main page. Any idea why?

Question for Harro5
I was recently reviewing past RfA nominations and saw your name. I have seen you around and thought you would make a good Admin. The only problem is that you seem to have a lot of images credited to your name that have no source information. I would encourage you to fill in the necessary information if you wish to be an Admin. Thanks. -- LV (Dark Mark)  20:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I am no copyright expert either but here are a few links that you might just want to have a peak at:


 * Image use policy
 * Image copyright tags
 * Untagged images
 * I can try to summarise most of the stuff so you don't have to read a ton. Basically, since WP is free for anybody to use, everything on here, including images, needs to be free as well (that's why we cannot stand for copyvios). So in order to cover our bases, we need to know where the images on WP come from. So there is a system set up for tagging images with their copyright information (to basically tell us that we're actually allowed to be using the image). In the second link above, there are a variety of tags to place on images to tell us where they came from. I don't know if I have answered any of your questions, but I hope you get a moment or two to "thumb" through the links above. I will try to get an image expert over here to correct me if I have not been clear enough. For the time being, is there any specific image question you may have for me? -- LV (Dark Mark)  14:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update. I look forward to seeing more good things from you. Good luck on your RfC. -- LV (Dark Mark)  14:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

My responses here. Harro5 07:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

DYK request
Yes I saw it. Have you found any pictures of him? Australian pics made before 1955 are in the public domain. Otherwise I was thinking of illustrating it on the main page with a poppy- unless selected selected anniversaries is using a pic for the same topic.--nixie 05:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Editorial Complaint
This is an official complaint against the user Harro5 for his repeated exercise of 'perceived' editorial rights over articles. He has been abusive on multiple occassions to users who are willing to stand up and disagree with his opinion (an opinion that he uses to edit and revert numerous articles without a justifiable cause). I would suggest that this this user be monitored for such behaviour, as he is turning hordes of potential wikipedia contributors away with his repeated bullying tactics.

I wish to remind Harro5 that acticles and portals are not 'owned' by any one member, but rather all members, and that he should desist in moderating when such moderation does not have the support of the wikipedia community who are interested.

If this behaviour continues I will have no choice but to report you to an administrator. Beyondcapricorn 11:13, 13 November 2005 (UTC) *Yea: Also as an example, his hissy fit on the Simon Gipson discussion page, followed by this outburst. Comradeash 13:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreement: Harro5 is trying to kill Wikipedia from the inside, beginning with the "schools" section. Don't commit your hate-crimes here, fascist! (Not signed, but posted by Egocentre. Bishonen)
 * That's nice. You guys, however many you are (my guess woould be one), feel free to use the dispute resolution process if you have any complaint about a user. Please see WP:RFC. Or "report" Harro5 to me, why don't you? I'm an administrator. In any case, please adhere to No personal attacks or you'll be blocked from editing. Bishonen | talk 12:04, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There are four seperate people making the same complaint. I have been speaking to them this evening. I'd be happy to report him. Have a look at the discussion pages for St Michael's Grammar School and the feature article discussion for Caulfield Grammar School. As you can clearly see Harro5 does not accept any content unless it asks as a marketing mouthpiece for a school. If it is at all posing any negative conotations he immediately removes it and cites vandalism. It would be like stating Tito was a great leader and not including any of the atrocities. We have all been discussing Harro5 in an editorial group working on the St Michael's page and are absolutely fed up. That is the primary reason for our complaint. We have no inclination to break any wiki policy and hope that you can understand how we felt when our hours of work were removed by Harro5 as he wished to have personal edutorial control. 220.253.48.90 12:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Adding to my original complaint following some additional research. If you see [my user page] or the [simon gipson talk page] you can see how he deals with people who edit articles that he feels he has a connection to. More telling is how he spoke to User:Macbandit on his talk page when he had a go at him. Finally, before Caulfield Grammar School became a feature article, there was a [discussion] on school content. Harro5 may have changed the Caulfield page to get himself more attention, however he puts his original editorial principals which were clearly opposed for their bias on many other pages he edits in relation to his Portal:School. We feel that Harro5 needs a warning for this. 220.253.48.90 13:18, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Formal Conduct Complaint Laid
As per above, we have now filed and signed a formal complaint.

See Requests_for_comment/Harro5 for further discussion on this issue.

Enough is enough Harro5. This has gone along for too long.

Yes, you do
Yes, you do a lot of good work, and yes, I saw you'd gotten angry—I clicked on your contribs, and the edit summaries made a bit of a collection—and then I looked into it a little more deeply, and realized what you were having to put up with. :-( I can only hope there's not quite that level of abuse in the world of school articles all the time. Anyway, I was concerned that the viciousness would cost us yet another good editor; I hope you're not letting it get to you, and that the way the RFC is going is giving the people involved some food for thought. I'll look into the image thing today or tomorrow. Do get back to me if you have any further trouble that you think I can help with. Best, Bishonen | talk 21:54, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, do I know it
Somehow, i got sucked into this mess (through the AFD article on Gipson? through a "Newbie Edit?" I'm not sure. I do know that i've been sort of behind the scenes monitoring for some time, and i've been watching these guys, and im finally sick of it.  They  do the same thing wrong (maliciously) 10 times in a row, then figure it out the 11th time, follow procedure, and act innocent when you accuse them.  I know they'll latch on to me, but i'm not all that worried - if they do much (like an RfA), anyone who knows anything about the site will likely side with me, as they did on your RfAr page.  I also hate that i point out one example in 100000, they change it, and then they say "ok, all set.  everything's perfect now."  yea.  jfg284 09:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Any idea what brought about the change of pace from beyondcapricorn and comradeash? theyve struck out some of their worse accusations, withdrawn support from the RfAr page, and just overall changed their stance, from what i've seen.  did you work it out with them somewhere?jfg284 14:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Aw, shucks
Hi, Harro, aw shucks, thanks! [Blushes] You've no reason to stay away from the St. Michael's article, the way I see it, still less to undertake to stay away from it—it needs you. OTOH, if some of the former gang, now obviously internally at odds, are engaged in cleaning it up right now, it might be tactful to keep a low profile and let them deal with it, and only step in to help when/if an obvious need arises. But that's a matter of taste, I wouldn't see it as "wrong" to be more proactive, either. Incidentally, I hope you note that there's not a breath of criticism of you from the rest of the community on that RFC, and some see the way you handled it as a feather in your cap, even. No need to wait with the RFA, I would have thought. Best, Bishonen|talk 23:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC).

RFC?
I hadn't run into you in a while, and suddenly found you'd been hit with an RFC! I wish I understood the whole school article business more... Anyway, I was just wondering if you needed any help with this whole thing or if it was just some anon getting mad or what. Always looking to help out an old FA accomplice. Deltabeignet 04:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Objection
In light of this edit, let me inform you that it is not easy working on an article all alone (the majority of the time), and truthfully Hollaback Girl looks very good with the work of only three people. If you think it is so easy, why don't you improve an article for featured status? I am not personally attacking you, but feeding you the knowledge to think. There are minor edits in the article, and I am personally asking you to look them over and tell me what you think should be accomplished. Thank you and I apologize if I sounded like I was insulting you. All is in good faith. --Hollow Wilerding 21:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * ...Well it appears I was just ignored, and misunderstood although I addressed the situation. Oh well for me. --Hollow Wilerding 21:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Response here. Harro5 07:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Leave my Ninja alone!
You heard me. Vote here to keep Ninjas Killed my Family! —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Ewok Slayer (talk • contribs)

Ianblair23's RfA
G'day Harro5, I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It closed with the final tally of 57/0/0. I can only hope I can live up to the expectations that this wonderful community of ours demands from each of its administrators. If you ever need anything, please just let me know. Cheers! -- Ianblair23 (talk) 04:53, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

COTW
We're long overdue for a new COTF--since I don't see any competitors I'll just switch it right over. Thanks for the suggestion! --Dvyost 06:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Buffy
This is rude. I'm in project Buffy and I'm making a contribution by homogeneizing the structure of all episodes, so that later someone will fill in the blanks more easily. I don't see you in the project, so if you don't have the time or don't want to bother thinking before leaving silly messages, then I suggest you simply shut up.

Abaraibar 09:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Harro5, you should know that I'm the one who went through all existing Buffy articles and added any missing intros and sections. Abaraibar, besides adding the standardized structure for the missing episodes, has added synopses and other details to many existing articles, as I'd earlier pointed out on his (?) talk page immediately before the comment you posted. It looks to me like this is merely the next round of editing. Please do your homework — i.e., reviewing user contributions and edit histories and reading other talk page comments — before making requests of other editors, especially if you're going to phrase them in a way that could be taken as criticism. (In fact, read my "Dawn's hair" posting on Abaraibar's talk page for my own similar error in Wikiquette!) And your own contributions suggest to me that you know that people who contribute substantial editing to a large set of related articles can hardly be expected to do everything in a day. I know that general policy recommends not adding empty sections, but there are 144 Buffy episode articles to flesh out, and this system has worked for other TV-ep article sets (see the Firefly episode articles for a recent successful example). Wikipedia works on the basis of ever-decreasing entropy, not immaculate conception. ;-) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Meelick hurling club
Hi, There's an assertion of notability Meelick hurling club was founded in 1884 and is one of the oldest clubs in the country - that's admittedly fairly marginal but I'd be prepared to wikify and clean the article. However there's no point if it's going to be deleted. So I guess the question is would you be prepared to remove Afd if it were cleaned? No problem if not - it'd be saving me some work :-)  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  11:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The question is whether there is anything else worth writing. Looking at the present ramblings, it would be left as a one or two line stub, unlikely to improve. Maybe it would be best to just leave it, and if it really is notable for that fact alone, mention it in hurling. Harro5 21:29, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I've passed the substance of what Bobet suggested on to their PRO - let her decide how notable she feels the club to be! I think there's potentially an article there but let the Afd take its course - in its current incarnation its certainly deletable.   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  21:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Legal status of Taiwan
I saw your comment regarding the article, and how listing arguments on each side tends to be POV. Since I am one of the original authors of that article, I was wondering if you can elaborate on what you mean there, and whether you might have suggestions that can be used to improve the article from where it currently is. Thank you very much. Ngchen 04:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Gus solomon
Hi, I have noticed that you've slapped a copyvio tag on the article. Since it is new, why not speedy it under A8 as mentioned in WP:CSD? --Gurubrahma 06:58, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. I'll remember to do that with copyvios off WP:NP in future. Harro5 07:41, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Spyware
What sort of person would have motivation to blank the Spyware article? Who would profit from taking information on defeating this scourge off the net?

Your reverting the changes is very much appreciated. Reyk 03:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO RfA
Thank you for your support on my RfA. They promoted me and I thank you for helping out. I'm also gald to see that you are having a much easier time than I did and I wish you success in what appears to be a guaranteed promotion soon. Thanks again!--MONGO 08:56, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Emergency department
Many thanks for your support!--File Éireann 23:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Featured_article_candidates/Hollaback_Girl
I noticed that you cast a vote on the FA nomination for Hollaback Girl, and you don't seem to have been notified on your Talk page that User:Raul654 has cleared and restarted the nomination. If you want to recast your vote, you should do so at the article's new FA page. -- keep sleep ing   say what  04:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)