User talk:Hartmacl/sandbox

Hey, would you like to collaborate on here before adding the finalized iguana stuff to your user page? Ayersmm (talk) 09:35, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

General Feedback on Group Gameplan:

- Mikayla's use of the Wikipedia's organizational format is very easy to navigate. I suggest that you all use something similar in your individual sandboxes and your group sandbox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ayersmm/sandbox As you generate more and more content, you will need to be able to keep it as organized as possible.

-Great job on embedding the URLs for the pages your are editing.

-Remember to link to this group sandbox from your individual sandboxes.

-Please SHOW in addition to TELL. Do not just list sources. Ask yourself: "How are other Wikipedians supposed to assess that these are good sources?" If you don't put the sources in context, how can that happen? What sorts of relevant information do they contain that will help you add needed content (also, what is that needed content?)? This becomes particularly critical when you post to the talk pages. Effective writers guide their readers rather than ask them to divine what the author's meaning and intention is. You do a little bit of this, but need to do more here in the sandbox to mirror the contributions you made to the talk pages of the dewlap and iguana, which are quite good (although not all of you contributed to the talk pages). These talk posts were very good, but including those elements here will help you create a roadmap for what you want to work on.

- you do a great job of using parallel structure to present your materials. I saw another team use the sandboxes to draft comments or ideas for comments to post to talk pages. This tactic might be something you want to consider in the future so that you all know what is out there for your topics. Remember that you are a team. Each of you is responsible for taking the lead on your independent sections, but then you compile them as a team in this sandbox. That means that in this space you can help each other improve your individual contributions. This includes the general content that lives in the sandbox, but also the content that then goes "live".

* Specific comments:

-Atrium/ Heart: What about those sources is useful? Do you see information on this page that needs more development? How? It does mention other vertebrates, but only in passing. You may want to search other Wikipedia pages such as this [|one].

-Skull: Good start. Keep digging. You might want to see if their teeth are different from the teeth of other lepidosaurs that are more carnivorous.

Osquaesitor (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

In regards to the anatomy of the Iguana heart:

- While on the reptile page they begin to discuss the anatomy of the reptile heart, I think that there could be added content from the sources that I've compiled either on the Iguana page specifically or with addition to the reptile page when they begin to discuss circulation.

- They start to address the basic structure: that they have three-chambered hearts with two atria, with a little bit on the muscles that allow the heart to contract.

- I'd suggest that it goes into more detail about how the the three-chambered heart can act as a five-chambered and the muscles surrounding the heart and the structure itself allows this. I believe my first source would be a good resource for this added material. I'd still like to compile a little more sources to address the muscles surrounding and supporting the heart along with why evolutionarily this is desirable. Hartmacl (talk) 02:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review from FigginRD
All: It would beneficial to get all of your sources and ideas written out in sections so as to provide a better idea of your proposal. Proposal is very neatly compiled and organized!

Courtney: It would be best if you spoke about the iguana heart specifically and perhaps how it varies in morphology/location as compared to other reptile species. It sounds like you have good sources to do so.

Lexie: I like your idea of explaining the origin of the dewlap. One thing I do not see is the 'why": Why do iguana's have a dewlap? How is it significant enough to have evolved the trait? Perhaps you will touch on it when your article is written out. Question: Do the Dewlaps of different species differ? Perhaps another idea to touch on if "yes"?

Mikayla: Providing picture of an iguana skull and another reptile skull with labeled bone plates would be very helpful in distinguishing between species. I like that you've related your topic back to Lexie's.

FigginsRD (talk) 20:27, 23 March 2017 (UTC)FigginsRD

Peer Review/Copy Edit (3/23/17)
Courtney: It looks like you've got some good sources that you can pull some excellent detailed information from. One question I have is if you're planning on adding your new information to the Iguana page or the Green iguana page, because the iguana page has significantly less information then the green iguana page. I think putting the information you gather about the heart in one of those two pages would be more beneficial than adding it to the actual Reptile page, because I'm sure that there is a lot of variance in heart anatomy between the large number of species that make up the "reptile" group. Also, if you are able to get some quality images of a heart cross section from your dissections, I think those would be valuable to add to the page as well.

Lexie: It seems like you have a really good idea of what information you want to add to the page. The dewlap page is very bare, with even less information on the reptiles section of it. What other information could you add from your sources to the page to help give it more richness? Maybe add a section on the evolution/development of the dewlap? All of your sources seem to be neutral and reliable.

Mikayla: I think focusing on the skeletal structure of the iguana is a very good idea, as there is very little information on the Iguana page. What sources will you be using to compare the iguana skulls to other species of lizards? Providing graphic images from your dissection could be very advantageous for this page. If you are creating an entirely new skeletal section, is there anything else you could add to help give this section some more depth? Maybe try to find a few more simple bones you can add. Besides that, your sources look very reliable, and I like how you all are connecting your topics together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cksmith8 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review/ Copy Edit
Courtney

I think that the comparison of the different types of hearts is really interesting and that addressing why evolutionarily that a specific heart is favored is a great way to look at reptilian in general. I think it might be more helpful in the long run, especially when you are actually writing an article to contextualize the sources with the information.

Lexie

The dewlap is really cool, and there isn’t much on lizard dewlaps on the dewlap page. I really like that you’re going to explain more on the coloring of the dewlap and how that occurs. In your anatomy and structure of the dewlap, will you be going into the musculature as well (if it is a mobile dewlap)? And have you given any though to the size of the dewlap and how that relates to mating and sexual selection?

Mikayla

I like the way that you’re using the skeleton to tie together all of the topics being addressed. I think you could also benefit from contextualizing your sources a bit more, so that when you are drafting it will be much easier to transfer the information. Also are you planning a comparison of lizard skulls, or specifically focusing on structures unique to the iguana?

Overall it is very nicely formatted. It looks like you have a great start! Hobbscassidy (talk) 23:56, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review
Courtney- I really like the part of your draft where you mentioned the differences in the anatomy of the heart between species of lizards. My question here would be is there significant data on these differences? If there is, then I would probably focus on these and post directly in the iguana page, because this sounds very interesting and the specificity would be really nice to add to the page. If there is not enough substance on that topic, however, then I agree with your plan to put your section in the more broad page with a link in the iguana page. Overall, I think your draft looks good and I'm sure it will become a great article!

Lexie- You have a great start and some nice sources. Starting on such a blank canvas gives you a lot of room to play around with the dewlap anatomy. I do disagree a bit with some of the others who have commented; I think that you should focus on the mechanisms (and the pigment stuff- that seems really interesting!) and anatomical structures of the dewlap, instead of the "why" question. That is just my opinion, but I think that including the "why" question strays to far from the strictly anatomy topic and might split your focus a little too much.

Mikayla- Similar to my comment for Courtney, I really like your plan of discussing anatomical differences between lizard species. I also think that though you have multiple focuses that have the potential to split your time and be difficult, I think the way your topics fit in so well with the topics of your other group members will only lend to your group overall being very thorough with the deeper understanding of how everything connects together. Nice job! Julisymmons (talk) 02:33, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Draft 1 Feedback
Notes for Courtney

All of this information appears to be neutral. You appear to have appropriate citations, as well. I would recommend embedding these new sources into a reference list if you haven't already, and citing this information in your sandbox. The information that you want to add seems to be very informative, and that initial new source that you write about seems like it would be a very useful reference that you should use. I think it is a good idea to link the reptile page to the iguana page if that is not already in existence.

Overall, I like the trajectory of your project and think that this is a really good game plan to be following!

Notes for Lexie

Overall, this information appears to be neutral, and its great that you have these links included. I would recommend making formal citations for these in a reference list somewhere if you have not already. This might make it simpler for both you and your other group members to use these sources in the future. The information seems like it would be informative and concise, and I like that you are interested in approaching the "why" question of the coloration of the dewlap.

I noticed that you haven't included plans to search the evolutionary history of the dewlap, and that might be something that you could look into or contribute to as a way to link to what we're learning about in class evolutionarily to what you're learning anatomically.

I overall think this is a great start and that you have a good plan to follow!

Notes for Mikayla

Overall, this information is presented as neutral. I like that you have included sources that you would like to use here, and I would suggest compiling these into a reference list in your sandbox if you have not already done so. The information you plan to include seems informative and relatively easy to understand from the perspective of the general public. I also like that you have chosen a really integrative approach to your project with your teammates. Overall, it seems like you have a good project trajectory and a great game plan.

I didn't see anything mentioned about including pictures of these structures. If they are not already well-represented, you should consider taking your own photos and using them to enhance the iguana page. Newmansr (talk) 04:14, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review
Hi Ladies, I think you have a really good start. All of your sources are properly embedded and work properly. I like that the three of you each decided to work on something different. I think this will give you enough to work on, and make for an interesting project. However I would have really liked to see you be more specific in your outline. What exactly are you going to edit, perhaps start drafting and narrowing down your focus, The heart and the muscles and the skeletal structure is an enormous undertaking. There are entire books written about these specific topics. Do you think you are biting off more than you can chew? I think it might be helpful to narrow your focus a little. Overall though I think you guys have a great start and have a lot to cover, should be interesting to see you proceed.

Terhaaed (talk) 04:36, 24 March 2017 (UTC)terhaaed

Peer Review
Courtney: You've found some great sources and laid out a clear path for your section. It's a good idea to focus on the musculature divisions of the heart, and to include some pictures. Now you just need to put it into paragraph form and incorporate your sources.

Lexie: I like your idea to discuss the pigment involved in the coloration and the anatomical structure of the dewlap. It might be helpful to include pictures in your section, and possibly discuss the communicative aspect of the dewlap (discussed in your second source) or any evolutionary advantages. Your sources should be sufficient for your drafts, and will work well with Mikayla's section on the dewlap extension.

Mikayla: You've identified an important section (skeletal structure) to improve upon, and your dewlap mechanism should compliment Lexie's section nicely. The sources that compare the skeletal structure of lizards could help you to describe the general features of an iguana, and variations in the dewlap.

All: Your sections seem to compliment each individual topic very well, and it might be worth it to compile a detailed paragraph on the dewlap and add it to the specific dewlap page. The sources that you've gathered are all reputable, and now it seems that you're ready to prepare the paragraphs that you'll add to the page. You guys have a created a thorough plan of action.

-- Grant Kido (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:01, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review
Awesome start to this process, as you have specific sources for all of the subjects you would like to change an edit. I think your teams ideas on working together to link subjects is a very interesting and exciting idea, just be careful to ensure the edits remain related to the specific article, and that the information is relevant.

My advice for you all is to start fleshing out what your edits would look like so that they can be reviewed for language and content. You definitely have good subjects and resources to back them up, just begin to look at what specifically you would say on the pages so that you can receive advice from your peers. You have a great start and are highly organized, just keep going!!!Murry4329 (talk) 23:04, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review
For Courtney: I think it's a really good idea that you link the Iguana and Reptile page together. It would be better for your team to compile a reference list so that all the sources can be cited again easier in the future.

For Lexie: Similar to my suggestion to Courtney earlier, it would be easier if you create a reference for all of these external links. It's great that you have hyperlinked these resources, good practice of citation. Great job on mentioning your plan on adding the mechanic of the dewlap on the wiki page and how that connects to your teammates' work as well!

For Mikayla: That is definitely important to start a new subsection about skeletal structure. I really like your idea of distinguishing the iguana's skull from lizard's. This can help the wiki readers to have a better understanding overall. Similarly, you need have a list of reference for your resources for a better organization.Megamanhuy (talk) 23:47, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review 3/24
Courtney: Sounds like a sweet game plan in adding a new section for the heart on the iguana page altogether, have you posted on the talk page sharing your idea? Your sources do appear legit and provide you with quite a bit of information to pull from as you begin fine-tuning your draft. Have you thought about adding a figure or image of an iguana heart and how it may be different compared to related taxa? You seem very much on the right track and maintain a neutral structure. Even though Mikayla is focusing on the skeletal structure of iguanas, perhaps you both can make new sections on the iguana page and share some insight with one another?

Mikayla: You are headed in great direction and certainly have a bit of work cut out for you in focusing on not only the skull but also the dewlap hyoid bone. Working together with Lexie seems like it would be a good call in sharing information and dividing the work load. In focusing on the iguana skull, are you going to focus narrowly on what separates it from other reptile skulls or on the anatomy of the skull altogether? Your sources look great and your direction can be highly correlated to the work your group is doing as well. This group is looking good.

Lexie: This seems quite fascinating as there always seems to be a reasoning behind the coloration of reptiles (camouflage, warning, signaling, etc.). It would be interesting to know not only why they produce these colors but also the functionality + mechanisms behind them like you stated. It seems like you have a lot of room to work and are headed in a great direction. I didn't even know a dewlap referred to the throat coloration of reptiles before I read this. Perhaps add some sweet images as well? Beckjt (talk) 01:15, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Peer Review
Nice work guys! It appears you have done some good background research up to this point in the draft. For Courtney: I like what you have done so far. You have a clear anatomical structure, with some quality sources to draw from. After reviewing the reptile page, it seems like there is plenty of room for improving the circulation subsection and specifically the iguana (heart). For Lexie: The pigment and coloration of the dewlap is very interesting. In addition to your work thus far, maybe you could talk about the significance the dewlap has in iguana mating, if any link exists (for example, I believe anole lizards use it for attracting partners). For Mikalya, I enjoyed the cited sources you found, especially the tomographic anatomy article. Not sure if the iguana page needs it, but that article had some great pictures of the skull anatomy. The only small suggestion I would have for the overall group draft would be in regards to organization. The group sandbox containing all draft information was a little difficult to make sense of at first glance, so making it more uniform might help you guys out in the long run. Otherwise, keep up the good work!Benson02 (talk) 04:54, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Overall, the information you guys presented as a whole appears to be sufficient and neutral. I think your team did a great job of laying out your plan and the sandbox is well organized and easily to follow. Your topics are interesting and each of you have provided a good amount of reliable sources in order to support your changes. Lexie, the information of the dewlap is well though out. I like how you're including the anatomical structure of the dewlap. Images of what you are focusing on would be a cool support to the page and maybe talking about evolutionary changes or significance are the only additions I can think of. Courtney, your section of the heart if really informative and off to a great start! I can't wait to see where you go with the rest of it. Mikayla your section specifically is going to fit really well with Lexie's. Starting a new section is a really cool idea. However, I do think that maybe focusing your plan may be a good idea. Ahyneman (talk) 05:32, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Comments on Peer Reviews:
-Read these comments carefully and compare them to the feedback posted for you on Sakai on the content of your first draft under Resources and Wikipedia Assignments Feedback. There is a folder there for your team.Osquaesitor (talk) 17:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Mikayla
Group: I think that we should work more on organizing our section/integration so that we have a specific direction and plan for each person. This is especially important when it comes to the dewlap because Lexie and I will be working together. I want to make sure that Lexie and I have our own directions. As mentioned by several peers, it will be important to establish a formal citation list in the sandbox.


 * FigginsRD/Cksmith8/Newmansr/Murray4329/Beckjt: I agree with the addition of pictures to my section and will be implementing this using dissection pictures from our group. Our group will also discuss how to integrate our sections with each other - as many of you have mentioned, it will be important to work together with each other in order to establish good article contributions (for each of us).


 * Hobbscassidy/Julisymmons: I will be using the skulls of other lizards sparingly in order to draw more attention to the iguana skull. I will use the skulls of other reptiles as needed to highlight the unique aspects of the iguana skull (potentially teeth). I will work to narrow my focus to important aspects of the skeletal structure such as hyoid bone for dewlap and potentially teeth as they relate to diet.


 * Terhaaed: I am narrowing my focus by looking at specific bones that make the iguana unique from other reptiles. I will collaborate with my other group members to lessen the workload involved with this.


 * Grant Kido: I will work on continuing to complement Lexie's section with my findings and will use my sources as needed to illustrate variations in the dewlap/other unique anatomical structures.


 * Megamanhuy: I am glad that you are in agreement with starting the new subsection about skeletal structure! I will also implement a reference list on the shared sandbox page.


 * Ahyneman: Several other peers have mentioned organization. I will work on this by drafting a more specific outline in the future, once I begin editing my draft once more and collaborate more with my group mates..


 * Professor Schutz: I plan to fix my sources so that they are in Wikipedia format. I would love to see the cast of the skull! I think that this will be much easier than excising the skull from our iguana. I would also like to see how the group last year dissected their iguana. I will like to use teeth as one aspect to focus on skeletally - I think that this will help with diet and would be cool to look at since the iguana is an herbivore.

Ayersmm (talk) 23:39, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Courtney
Group: I'd agree that we should get more specific with areas within each of our topics we want to add. I'd also be beneficial to site all of our sources and have them compiled in the sandbox so it's a little more organized and makes it easier for our final draft.


 * FigginsRD: I think my first source will help me compare the Iguana heart to other reptile hearts, but I'm starting to narrow down on what I want to focus on and I think it's important to focus on getting the information out there on the Iguana heart anatomy because there isn't anything on the page or the reptile page.


 * Cksmith8: I think it's a good idea to add this to the Reptile page and add a link to the Iguana page. The reptile page is more widely used and there are many similarities with the iguana heart that relate to all reptiles.


 * Newmansr/Megamanhuy: Like I said above, I like this suggestion to actually compile the cited list of our references to help with our organization and clarity moving forward with our edits.


 * Benson02: I thought when I looked at the reptile page it had a good start with the circulation, but that it needed more on the structure, anatomy, and function. I'm glad you agree with me there, I think that's where I'm going to focus in on!


 * Grant Kido: I'd love to add a picture and I've already been trying to find old sources that I could use. But I think my best bet would be to try and get a good picture during my dissection. I'll have to be very precise with the cross-section though because it is a juvenile Iguana it may be difficult.


 * Julisymmons: I have found differences between the Iguana's heart and other reptile hearts, but I'm not sure yet with how significant they are, so I think this will lead me in the direction to stay more general and link to the Iguana page. I plan to do some more digging though, it would be nice to add a complete section to the Iguana page.


 * Beckjt: It's a good suggestion to add a taxa, but I think I'd rather focus on getting the information about the anatomy and function of the heart muscles than go into the evolution of the heart. I think it would be taking on too much if I tried to tackle both.
 * Terhaaed: I'd agree with you that our first draft is very broad and we might be tackling too much. After looking at these peer reviews, I think I'm going to narrow down my topic to specifically addressing the Iguana heart anatomy; this seems like the best starting place for the page.


 * Professor Schutz: I would love to be able to add images to the page, I think that was the initial drawback to the page that I saw when I first read it and I think it helps readers to better understand when they have a visual to follow along with the information given. Using my textbook can help me narrow down on the important/significant differences as well.

Hartmacl (talk) 03:51, 3 April 2017 (UTC)