User talk:Harvested Sorrow

HIM's genre
I noticed back in March you changed HIM's genre from heavy metal to alternative rock. While "heavy metal" clearly isn't the right genre, alternative rock isn't neither. HIM's genre of music is alternative metal, which is a mixture of both alternative rock and heavy metal. Thank you! D G X  17:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

HIM has no elements of metal in their music, so they can't be a part of 'alternative metal' which is a non-existent genre in itself. They certainly don't qualify as nu-metal, either, which leaves Alternative Rock. I mentioned this in the HIM discussion section.

Harvested Sorrow 15:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Alternative metal is non-existant??? Than why does it have it's own article. It's not "made up". And even if it didn't qualify as nu metal, it doesn't have to end up in the alternative rock group. HIM most certainly have elements of metal in it's music. If you listen to thier music, you can clearly hear elements, as you would say, in many of thier songs. D G  X  18:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

It's an article because want to believe that their favorite bands are metal so they deny reality and created a fake genre, because it's so 'cool' to be metal and people know that nu-metal is a sub-genre of alternative rock so they can't call their favorite bands nu-metal any more and think they're cool. This means they had to make up alternative metal despite the fact that 'alternative metal' and nu-metal are the same thing, alternative rock with some minimal metal influences. If you look at the page it's clearly run by fanboys of those bands. And yes, in the case of HIM, it does have to fit into the category of alternative rock if it's not nu-metal. It's alternative rock that has no metal influence which would allow it to be qualified as nu-metal, so this leaves...alternative rock!

The closest thing they have to elements of metal influence is alot of stolen Sentenced riffs, and the era of Sentenced they're ripping off is Sentenced when they weren't metal any more anyway. Their biggest influence (Sentenced) is named as a 'Suicide Rock' band. This alone should tell you that they're not metal.

Harvested Sorrow 20:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't care wheather in your opinion its a fake genre or not because it is real. I suggest you mind WP:CIVIL. Just because you say there is no difference between nu metal and alternative metal and alternative rock doesn't mean it is true.


 * Whether or not you want to believe it or not, Nu metal, alternative metal and alternative rock are three differant things completly differant from each other. They may sound the same to you, but it qualifies under a differant genre. I'm not even going to respond to your last comment about 'sentenced' riffs, because of it's entirly false. HIM doesn't qualify as alternative rock but as alternative metal, final. D G  X  01:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with my opinion, it's fact. Other people wanting to imagine that those are different genres when nu-metal and alternative metal consist of the same bands, the same musical structures, and the very same idea (alternative rock with some metal influences) is their problem. And of course, just because one person says it doesn't mean it's true: However, since everyone who knows anything about music theory -- even if it's only the rudimentary basics -- and anything about metal and rock agrees with me DOES mean it's true. Some fanatical fans of those bands that run those articles incorrectly can't change that. If you'd ever heard Sentenced you'd know very well that it is indeed true. HIM's sound is completely based off of Sentenced. They come from the same country, Sentenced started using that sound earlier, HIM uses it now. You can't deny the facts. HIM has no elements of metal in their music, so they don't qualify as metal of any kind, much less a non-existent sub-genre. I'm through with dealing with your ignorance, my final statement has been made.

Harvested Sorrow 17:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Cradle of Filth
Hiya. After long discussions we're trying to keep things neutral on the Cradle page, so we've gone with "heavy metal" in it's loose, all-encompassing sense, and explained the details of their sound and the reasons for our decision elsewhere in the article. If you really must add to the already very unwieldy debate threads (as you actually already have) then feel free, but please keep your opinions off the main page - you're not helping. --Cardinal Wurzel 18:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I posted no opinion on the main page, only a fact. That said, if the decision has been to keep it labeled as 'heavy metal' please, do so. It was listed as 'black metal' when I got there. -- Harvested Sorrow 03:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)