User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/December

Your talk page archives are a bit messed up
This is just FYI. The archives of your talk page appear to have been corrupted on at least two other occasions than the 2009 incident which you mention at the top of your page. You can find a complete list of the pages here. The problems include, but are not limited to, the pages:

User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2010/January/Archives/2010/February

User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/July/Archives/2013/July/Archives/2013/July

Makyen (talk) 04:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The error is that your ClueBot II configuration was in a section of your page which was archived. It then was archived over and over into a deeper and deeper page. You can find your ClueBot III configuration on the long page I linked above. You can retrieve it from there. Just make sure to put it near the top of your page so it is not in a section that gets archived. I am willing to help fix things, but on a User talk page I don't want to do that sort of thing without your permission.Makyen (talk) 16:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * All removals by ClueBot III into deeper files have been reverted. The January 2009 edit that was mentioned at the top of the page has been corrected with no lost of data. Specific issues corrected are:
 * 2013/Apr: Cluebot III removed sections. All restored.
 * 2010/Jan: Cluebot III removed sections. All restored.
 * 2009/Aug: Cluebot III removed sections in multiple different edits separated over multiple days. All restored.
 * 2009/Jan: Cluebot III removed sections in multiple different edits. One . All restored.
 * 2008/Nov: Cluebot III added 26 extra copies of section "Re: Formatting a list with images". All extras removed.
 * There is one set of tasks that still needs to be done: Have all of the extra erroneous pages deleted. The easiest way to do this is through the speedy deletion process. It is easy. I can either do it for you, or I can tell you how to do it (some text I can write for you to cut&pate to the top of a list of pages I can link here).


 * Given that these are in your User talk space, if you want me to do it I would feel more comfortable if you gave me an explicit request/permission to have the pages removed via the speedy deletion process. Unless I have miscounted, there are 15 pages to be deleted. If you want me to do it, please put something here to the effect of: "Yes, please delete those erroneous talk pages." Alternately, I will write the text that you can cut&paste.  In addition, if you are doing it, I will make a list here of links to the pages.
 * Makyen (talk) 22:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Age of sections to archive: For ClueBot III (CB3) configurations, the age is in hours.  The header now has a comment with some typical ages, you can select what you desire. It is good practice to also change it in the archive box template. Age in the archive box is by default in days, but can be whatever you desire (see the documentation).
 * The reason that I suggested you wait to change it to what you desire is that if you want to put out the effort you can manually cause CB3 to archive the sections in correct monthly chunks and put them into the correct archive page (It may be easier for you to cut&paste them form 2013/December). If you want this, it will be some work and probably take a few/several days (waiting for CB3 to run multiple times) for you to accomplish it.  You would need to adjust the age such that the (current day - age) is close to the end of the month you desire to fill.  You would need to make this change multiple times (at least once for each month).  CB3 might run multiple times on you page per day, it might be a couple/few days between runs (it is indeterminate).
 * (Option B, probably better): Set up the One Click Archiver (OCA) including putting a Archive basics template up in the header area. Without the Archive basics template and using CB3, OCA does not automatically find the appropriate archive page and fails w/o doing anything bad. The first Archive basics template (cut&paste) would look like (Note: untested):


 * You would then go through your threads and click on the (new with OCA) archive link for those sections you want in that month. Then change the month in the Archive basics template and go through the threads again. You would do the process once for each month.  Threads are generally in increasing date order, making it easier.  It probably wouldn't take all that long.
 * The choice is up to you. The easy way is to just adjust the CB3 age once now and accept having all the threads in one month (213/December). It is up to you.
 * Makyen (talk) 00:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Requesting speedy deletion of the erroneous files: If I were you, I would put the following text at the top of each page:
 * I tend to be a bit long-winded. So much detail is probably not needed, but covers all the issues I am aware they would raise.  The list of files is:
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2009/August/Archives/2009/August
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2009/August/Archives/2009/September
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2009/January/Archives/2009/February
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2010/January/Archives/2010/February
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/April
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/July
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/July/Archives/2013/July
 * User talk:Hassocks5489/Archives/2013/April/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/May/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/June/Archives/2013/July/Archives/2013/July/Archives/2013/July
 * As I am sure you can see, I did miscount. Just copy the above text.  Edit each page putting the text on the top and save.
 * Makyen (talk) 01:29, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The configurations of Archive basics and User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver did not work. They failed in a way that implied that it would not work for YYYY/Month archives (actually anything where the archive page did not end with a number).  I have been planning on working on his code to make it much more versatile (i.e. understand the common Mizsabot and Cluebot III configs).  While that is not going to happen in the near future, I expect that hacking it to hard code each page destination would work.  It would mean that I would semi-automatically archive the current backlog for you.  That certainly is not going to happen immediately.  At a bare minimum, I need to go to sleep as I have been up for 36 hours, or so. Makyen (talk) 08:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The configurations of Archive basics and User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver did not work. They failed in a way that implied that it would not work for YYYY/Month archives (actually anything where the archive page did not end with a number).  I have been planning on working on his code to make it much more versatile (i.e. understand the common Mizsabot and Cluebot III configs).  While that is not going to happen in the near future, I expect that hacking it to hard code each page destination would work.  It would mean that I would semi-automatically archive the current backlog for you.  That certainly is not going to happen immediately.  At a bare minimum, I need to go to sleep as I have been up for 36 hours, or so. Makyen (talk) 08:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

That was fun :) Must have been the longest page titles I have deleted in a while. Your talk space does look much cleaner now. Cheers, —Kusma (t·c) 14:06, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I strongly recommend that you do not start CB3 up yet . It has a bug  (mis?)feature where archives such as yours where there is a backlog that results in the archives going in seriously wrong locations.  I have not yet reported the bug —I will do so shortly—, but the notice I placed on Help:Archiving a talk page says ""ClueBot III (CB3) has a bug which is resulting in archives being place in significantly inaccurate archives. For example, on at least three archives which were started in December 2013 CB3 put all threads in 2013/September.  This was in spite of the threads having dates from 2006 through 2012.""
 * I only just noticed this issue. I am still trying to see what is going on.Makyen (talk) 13:24, December 12, 2013 (UTC-7)
 * After a bit more looking, it appears that this is a feature, not a bug. This is the explanation of it I have placed instead of the notice I mentioned above:"Note:Each time ClueBot III runs it places threads in single archive which is the YYYY/Month of (NOW - age). If you are starting archiving with a backlog this will result in a single file with all of your old threads older than age. ClueBot III does not appear to run every single day. Thus, even once archiving has been running for a while, some threads may end up in a archive that is one month later than when they last were edited."


 * I have looked at some of the Miszabot/lowercase sigmabot III (lcSB3) contribution history . In those I have clearly seen lcSB3 separate archives into their respective archive by the date of the last signature. Here is an example of lcSB3 splitting an archive task of 185 threads into .  The drawback of lcSB3 is that, at the moment, it is not running as regularly as CB3. However, CB3 also has days that it will not run.  lcSB3 does appear to be running more often with several thousand edits this month.  You may have to wait a few days for lcSB3 to run on your page, but your archives will be placed in their correct YYYY/Month page by last edit date. Given that you are filling in an already existing monthly archive, I would suggest using lcSB3 instead of CB3. I will put a config in the header of this page that implements the 90 days you mentioned on my talk page.Makyen (talk) 00:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

John Nelson Goulty
OK...I think that's pretty much all I can do. I can't find his dates. I also added a non-valid reference for his two marriages and all his children, because I find it useful, but I think this could be moved to his talkpage on a real article if we can't find a better citation. Anyway, can you please help me expand it? It would be great to create it tonight!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Good. Happy to help a little this week, but I am travelling next week. I'll try to create Arthur Sassoon either tonight or this week as well. I have a sandbox for Arthur Wagner as well.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you like to work on churches next week when I'm away instead?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Any idea how I can delete this now that I've created the actual page? Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Just created these, which you may find interesting and may be able to expand perhaps? Arthur Sassoon and Reuben David Sassoon.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was wondering if you were still alive! Btw King's Gardens, where Arthur Sasson lived and where the King stayed, is listed and I'd like to see an article there, if possible.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:28, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Btw. Towards the pier after the Mercure hotel, and before the Holiday Inn, there is a "Cavendish Place." I wonder if it's named after the "William Cavendish and his wife Lady Emilia Augusta" mentioned in the Adelaide Crescent article?Zigzig20s (talk) 19:46, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You'll notice there is mention of a William Cavendish for Fife House, but the info about the wife does not match.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:52, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm, looks like you've moved on to other projects...Shame!Zigzig20s (talk) 22:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool. Maybe an article about the whole block, with a sub-section about numbers 1-4? I'm travelling, but happy to keep working on those articles--but it is somewhat more encouraging to see others work on the same articles as well--so I could do some of that in the evening...Btw I recommend adding Rev Arthur Wagner as a possible article-I'll keep trying to expand this userpage.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * ALSO--this may be of interest to you (and his father and grandfather and two sons, who should have a page too), and his residence Ockenden House is listed, under Ockenden Manor on the Wikipedia page, but on the website British Listed Buildings it is called Ockenden House. Definitely worth an article I think. Also High Beeches is now a famous garden and should probably have its own page and Whittlebury Hall may be listed and thus could have its own page (now a hotel apparently). See this and I think the current baron's brother was a high sheriff for West Sussex. This is getting overwhelming though--we can take our time to do all that. Interesting to note that the elite still owns most listed buildings in the UK though...Zigzig20s (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Cool. Just make sure to add a reference for every sentence that you write. I don't make list, start with sentences, so we work a bit differently...I hope you'll help with Goulty as well (and his children need to be fixed as the ref is no good). Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * So anyway, do you want to work on Goulty/Wagner tonight, or still working on the train ticket? Btw I've just created Brighton Blue, which needs a lot of work obviously (history, ingredients, cultural references possibly), but is a start and has a picture at least.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I created it at John Nelson Goulty. Will try to add more categories. It would be great to take a picture of the bus too. Btw I think Arthur Sassoon's father had 17 children from two wives, but I haven't managed to find the entire list and dates of the children...Zigzig20s (talk) 23:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * See this article, but it's not detailed. There is also Sassoon family of course, but the family tree is not complete--and I also think it would be much easier to understand/work from if it went from top to bottom rather than from left to right.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:12, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Not relevant to Brighton, but perhaps you can help. I have a problem with François de Ripert-Monclar's talkpage, which goes directly to Jean-Pierre-François de Ripert-Monclar's talkpage. But actually it looks like it deleted Jean-Pierre-François de Ripert-Monclar's page, which is catastrophic! I had created Jean-Pierre-François de Ripert-Monclar's page under François de Ripert-Monclar as that's the name used on the French wikipedia page, only to realise this was wrong as the full name is the ancestor and the shorter name is the descendant, both prominent people. Any idea what I can do? Note (after preview of this message): it didn't delete Jean-Pierre-François de Ripert-Monclar, which can be found by googling it, but it won't let me find it when I look it up from the wikipedia page. Any idea what is going on and how to fix this?Zigzig20s (talk) 14:31, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:03, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you happen to know if this picture, even here, can be added to his page here François de Ripert-Monclar? Sorry to be going off topic; thought you might know; someone once helped with this for articles I created about Nashville, but they've disappeared since then.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:07, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Hmm, Wagner soon?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Btw for Embassy Court, you could try to take a picture of the carpet with 'Embassy Court' written on it (easily seen from the doors at the side). I no longer have access to the apartment building as my friend has moved out though.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:12, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Western Street. They're fairly new. (Since last summer I think.)Zigzig20s (talk) 07:25, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

BTW. Created this Gérard Worms yesterday, I wouldn't be surprised if he were a descendant of the Rothschild family from Hove. But not sure at all how to find out about his parents/ancestors.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:01, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Myanmar National Symphony Orchestra
Hello, thanks for reviewing the DYK nomination of MNSO. I've updated the article to address your concerns. Please check again. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Wagner?
Busy for Christmas or do you think you'll have time for Arthur Wagner?Zigzig20s (talk) 15:09, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bear Road, Brighton
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)