User talk:HatsOff

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I'm going to move your article on Padraig rynne to a capitalised title. In the meantime, you would be well-advised to look at our guidelines on notability and verifiability and add suitable references, otherwise the article is likely to be deleted. Deb (talk) 10:32, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Pádraig Rynne


A tag has been placed on Pádraig Rynne, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Ruby  Murray  11:19, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
Thanks for replying to me. There is no conflict of interest here. I am a music lover who is adding some info on musicians who are not on wikipedia. I am taking info from their official pages as I did here. I was in the process of referencing them when the page was deleted. All information provided on this page is correct as per their official websites and also can be found with a simple search online. The only external links provided were to the musicians official web page and his bands official web page where the very same info is available as provided here.

I would be very grateful if you would review your decision to delete the page after reading my reply.

Kindest regards, Harry

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Promotional writing, independent sources, and copyright
I see that you said, referring to the article Padraig rynne, that you "cannot see any suggestion of promotion on it". The page was full of such langauge as "at the forefront of ground breaking projects", "one of the finest concertina players in Irish music today", "outstanding", "the trend setters in World / Irish music". Moreover, even the parts of it which avoided such blatantly promotional language were all heavily slanted to the idea that Pádraig Rynne is a great musician. There is no reasonable way of seeing any of the article as being written from a neutral point of view, as required for a Wikipedia article. If, as you stated above, the content was taken "from their official pages" then that is not at all surprising, as a musician's web site will present him or her in a favourable light, and will not be written from a neutral point of view. The web site of a person, company, or organisation is almost never a suitable source for writing a Wikipedia article. Instead, content should be based on independent, third party, sources. (Also, since you wrote "I am taking info from their official pages", it is important to make sure you do not copy the actual wording from those pages, as doing so would infringe copyright.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks James.

Can you make the page live again and I will edit it removing any such content and rewrite as suggest in my own words content from their websites? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HatsOff (talk • contribs) 12:37, 25 February 2014‎


 * I have "userfied" the article, which means that I have restored its content at User:HatsOff/Pádraig Rynne. It can stay there temporarily while you work on it, and when it is ready it can be moved back to Pádraig Rynne as an article.


 * When you post to a talk page, you should end your post with four tildes (in other word ~). That will be automatically converted into a signature, including a link to your talk page. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)