User talk:Hatzopod

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 * Thank you for adding citations to the article. it is, however, grossly promotional in tone, and may or may not be a copyright infringement, about which I'll ask administrative assistance. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, you may want to read WP:RELIABLE, which is helpful in discerning which sources are considered acceptable, and which are not. Thanks, 76.248.149.47 (talk) 21:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but how is this promotional? I'm not selling anything, trying to influence anyone towards a product, person, or event. Not meaning to sound upset, I'm just very confused. -Hatzopod Sept. 27, 2012

Also, I haven't added a single word to this article. I've only tried my best to cite the facts in it because I saw that Wikipedia commented on it for not having enough citations. -Hatzopod Sept. 27, 2012


 * It's all explained above: the templates have nothing to do with your edits. The article is promotional in tone--if that's not apparent, perhaps you're unfamiliar with encyclopedic prose, or have a conflict of interest. Please read WP:RELIABLE to distinguish acceptable sources, and don't remove the templates again until the issues have been resolved. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 22:27, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Now I believe I understand. I doubt I would be the best person to fix the article. I didn't write it either. I'm sure, once you check the citations I added (I saw that previously citations were needed) that they are all solid. If for some reason you do find that there is something wrong with any, please let me know and I'll make sure to delete/edit any of the marks causing issues. And I will read all the info and make all the appropriate adjustments. Also, I will not delete any of the templates again. If I knew it was an administrator putting those on, I would never have touched them. Thanks for the help, I'd love to get these issues resolved. Sorry for any ill temper I may have conveyed, been a long day.


 * I'm not an admin, but a user who's been editing here for over 7 years. I gathered that your contributions were made in good faith; though I haven't gone through each of the sources, I know that imdb is not generally accepted. Of further concern is the similarity between this article and the imdb bio, and I've asked for help in ascertaining which came first. If copyright violation isn't an issue, then someone can move ahead to copy edit the article toward a neutral tone. (76.248.149.47) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.149.47 (talk) 23:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I checked this morning, and you're right. Most of this bio came directly from IMBD. That's very unfortunate and I wish I knew that before attempting to add significant citations. I see that most of the article has been deleted. That makes sense. I'm going to add to it, hopefully in a better, un-oriented, tone that better suits an article in an encyclopedia. I hope that you don't mind me doing this, as I am new, and I am trying my best to create a relevant and interesting article. Please, if you have advice, criticisms, or any type of comment regarding any edits I do, let me know. I'd love to get this right.


 * I've gutted several swaths of text as probable and/or clear copyright violations. I also removed citations to user-generated web content (imdb, the TCM page, etc.), which is categorically unacceptable for living persons' biographies. I also noticed another recurring problem: you seem to have attached sources to the preexisting text. As a result, you have placed citations on claims, but the sources behind the cites do not actually support the claims. Original research and synthesis of sources are unacceptable because they are misleading. It's best to start from scratch once you discover a copyright problem, rather than risk throwing cites at text when they don't actually apply, or when the cites are to unacceptable sources. Please avoid repeating these problematic edits.
 * One last bit of uninvited advice: living persons' biographies are subject to special rules in order to counter libel, self-promotion, and PR warring among others. You might feel more at ease editing articles about deceased, fictional, or non-human subjects. Happy editing! JFHJr (㊟) 19:13, 28 September 2012 (UTC)