User talk:Haukurth/Archive10

Thanks!
Sæll Haukur, og þakka þér fyrir orðsendingu. Frábær upplestur Þjóðreksvísunnar hjá þér! --Dependent Variable, eða kannski þekkirðu mig betur sem höfund Loga sögu loptgengils... Vonandi hef ég ekki gert hér of margar Íslenskuvillur ;-)

Respelled pronunciation of "Garðar Thór Cortes"
Actually, I think the article "Garðar Thór Cortes" is one where a respelled pronunciation would come in very useful. Can we consider restoring it? Not many people read IPA symbols with ease, particularly those representing Icelandic phonology, and on my browser the character that you inserted after the "r" in "Cortes" doesn't even display properly – it appears as a little square. (What character is it supposed to be?) Also, I'm not sure it's right to consider the respelling system I used as "idiosyncratic" as I was applying the system set out in the "Help:Pronunciation respelling key" article. I've put a copy of this message in "Talk:Garðar Thór Cortes"; perhaps we can continue this discussion there. Cheers, Jacklee 01:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course. Let's discuss it there. Haukur 01:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:IAR
The newer (but long-standing) wording conveys exactly the same intended sentiment with far greater clarity, and it also advises against blindly performing common sense-defying edits purely for the sake of following the rules. Please see the talk page before fueling this edit war. Thank you. —David Levy 02:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. But don't worry, I'm going to Spain for a week now :) Haukur 10:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Ragnarök
Hi

You seem to be at least slightly aware of old Icelandic, so I'd like to ask you for some help. On the Ragnarök article, it says that the erroneous translation of Ragnarök as ,,Götterdämmerung" is because of a mistake Snorri Sturluson made in the 13th century. Now I don't get it. How is Ragnarøkr different from Ragnarök? It's not about the final vowel, I get that. But isn't the -r just the nominative marker? Does it really make the difference between darkness and fate? Are røkr and rök etymologically related?

tia

bluppfisk 20:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Good question. Check the dictionary, those are two distinct words and not every noun gets r as a nominative case marker: http://www.northvegr.org/zoega/345r.php Haukur 11:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Seint svar!
Komdu sæll og blessaður Haukur!

Ég biðst afsökunar á því að ég skyldi ekki hafa svarað þér fyrr. Það er nú bara einfaldlega þannig að ég kann ekki nægilega vel á þetta wiki-kerfi eins og er. Liðu meira að segja margar vikur áður en ég einu sinni fattaði að einhver væri búinn að senda mér skilaboð hehe :). Er ennþá að læra þetta.

Varðandi táknið sem ég breytti aftur í R svo er það að segja að ég kynni örugglega vel við táknið sem þú notaðir væri mér kleift að sjá það :) Það er eitthvað að tölvunni minni þannig að táknið "þitt,, verður að ferhyrningi. Skil ekki nákvæmlega af hverju. Ég hélt að notaður unikódi ætti að vera staðall og þegar til hjá öllum tölvunotendum. En augljóslega ekki. En þess vegna fjarlægði ég táknið þangað til ég færi að skilja þetta betur. Ef til vill eru fleiri sem ekki geta lesið táknið eins og það á að vera en ég vildi að textinn væri flestum læsilegur. Veistu nokkuð um einhverja lausn á þessu?

Bless í bili

Kveðja Útgarðaloki (njóttu Spánar!)

Útgarðaloki 16:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Spánn er góður! Ég skal skoða táknamálið þegar ég kem heim. Haukur 11:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Sæll, long time no see, og allt það, en ...
hvernig ber maður sig að við að fá annað notendanafn, þannig að bæði séu virk í einu. Þetta er spurning um, frá mínum bæjardyrum séð, að geta brugðið sér í eitt gervi, þegar maður fjallar um einn málaflokk og annað, ef maður skrifar um annan. Ef ég man rétt, var þetta viðurkennd ástæða hjá Wikipediu einhverju sinni. Kærar kveðjur Io 19:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Mig minnti, að svo væri. En hvernig ber maður sig að við það að koma upp öðru nafni? Ég er ekki svo fróður um fræðin. Beztu kveðjur Io 21:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Þakka þér fyrir. Þetta er svo einfalt, að ég skammast mín fyrir að hafa spurt. Kannski ég hafi tapað einhverjum greindarstigum með aldrinum - a.m.k. var þetta fullkominn aulaskapur af minni hálfu. En það er gaman að sjá þig aftur. Kær kveðja Io 14:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Icelandic language
After noticing your recent Iceland-related contributions, I would like to ask you to vote for the Icelandic language article in the Article Creation and Improvement Drive, your vote would be greatly appreciated if Icelandic language is nominated for ACID so that we can collaboratively improve the article. I would also like to take this opportunity to invitie you to become a member of WikiProject Iceland. Thank you! Max Naylor Max Naylor 15:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm interested in using your public domain image of Blommer's 1852 Freya painting. I'd like to know the original location of the work in order to cite it correctly. Do you know it?

Thanks so much.

rbivens@agnesscott.edu


 * I'm afraid not. I know nothing about the image beyond what it says on the image description page. Haukur 20:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Flog, flog
Just to be clear, I wasn't really aiming my comments at you- I'm agreeing with you. I had a bit of a disagreement on this exact issue with another editor who IMO ought to know better. Friday (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Peter Fisher (tr.)
Haukur 16:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)'' I reverted your linking of "Peter Fisher (tr.)" How were you able to revert so many in so little time? It took me over half an hour to put them in. as we don't have an article about him Obviously. Why do you think I put the links in? it's not a string you'd expect to see linked Why not? There are links to the editor of the book. Who are the "you" who would not expect it to be linked? Do you mean: it's not a string I'd expect to see linked, or is there some community or convention on this? Please enlighten me. I'm not even sure an article should be written about him Why do you say that? (i.e. Please enlighten me.) are you planning one? Well what do you think? Why do you think I would go to the time and effort of putting the links in? (Of course I was planning one.) Don't you think it's just a wee bit arrogant to go undoing other people's edits (which are clearly not vandalism) without discussing it with them first, or explaining why you did it? (Rather than just leaving a message afterwards saying "I reverted your link"s.)? Pdfpdf 04:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Post Script: as we don't have an article about him Who is/are the "we" that "don't have an article about him"? Pdfpdf 06:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * By 'we' I meant Wikipedia. Haukur 11:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * But, yeah, I should have explained better and I'll add a bit now. You'd linked Peter Fisher (tr.) in multiple articles and then created a redirect from that page to the non-existent Peter Fisher (translator). The bluelinked Peter Fisher (tr.) all over the place made it appear Wikipedia had an article on the subject when it didn't. If he meets WP:BIO and you were planning to write an article on him then please go ahead, I'll help link to the article once you've written it. Haukur 11:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll help link to the article once you've written it. - Thank you. made it appear Wikipedia had an article on the subject when it didn't - Well, yes. But ... the passage of time would have cured that ... I asked a few questions you haven't answered yet: Pdfpdf 11:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * How were you able to revert so many in so little time?
 * it's not a string you'd expect to see linked - Why not?
 * I'm not even sure an article should be written about him Why do you say that?


 * By using the 'rollback' function. You can have similar functionality by getting certain scripts/tools. I would expect Peter Fisher (translator) to be linked but not Peter Fisher (tr.) because the latter would never be an article title here. I wasn't sure whether he'd meet WP:BIO but I know very little about the fellow. Haukur 11:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

So I gather it's frowned upon to use redirects? Why? It's a lot quicker and easier to redirect Peter Fisher (tr.) to Peter Fisher (translator) than it is to replace dozens of "Peter Fisher (tr.)" with "Peter Fisher (translator)|Peter Fisher (tr.)". Pdfpdf 13:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

hndis tag on an article about given names
Please do not add the hndis tag (or disambig, for that matter) to given-name articles, such as Jón. These are not disambiguation pages, but articles about the given names and people bearing those given names. Jón Arason and Jón Leifs do not have the same name, and therefore the natural names of their articles are different, so no disambiguation is needed. There has been a good deal of discussion at the talk page for MoS:DP, if you are interested. Happy editing! Chris the speller 05:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Guðrún
Hi Haukur, I was thinking of moving Gudrun to the redirect Guðrún, and suddenly user:Jón changes the redirect into a disambiguation page. Since, you are an Icelander, like Jón, I will leave the decision about what should be done to you. (PS, I am working on the very very long Sigurðarkviða hin skamma, and I hope to be finished this weekend.)--Berig 10:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I noticed the same thing and got confused! I don't know what the best thing to do is :| Good luck on the long poem :) Haukur 10:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that Jón's article be moved to Guðrún (name) or even better Gudrun (name), since it would then cover also the infamous Swedish hurricane and the many mainland Scandinavians who have the name.--Berig 10:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, probably something like that. It's just that writing a good Gudrun/Guðrún (name) article would be significant work and I'm really not that interested in name articles. (I think Jón is a German, by the way.) Haukur 11:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, I am interested in names ;-).--Berig 11:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Eddica minora
I am going to try something with the Eddica minora group, and I will mostly do it as an experiment. You can edit the result at your leasure afterwards, because it is only a suggestion.--Berig 19:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

There! It is not an ideal solution and it is quite arbitrary. However, it allows those curious to take a tour in Norse mythology and ties it all up in a way.--Berig 19:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, interesting :) I guess it is a bit arbitrary. I'll give it a think and maybe try something slightly different. But you deserve much praise for finishing up the Eddic circle! Haukur 21:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I trust you to make the best out of it :).--Berig 21:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Nested Redirects
Continuing ...

So I gather it's frowned upon to use nested redirects? Why? (Example: It's a lot quicker and less effort to redirect "Peter Fisher (tr.)" to "Peter Fisher (translator)" than it is to replace dozens of "Peter Fisher (tr.)" with "Peter Fisher (translator)|Peter Fisher (tr.)". ) I gather there must be a policy or a convention? Can you point me at it please?

Also, I "renamed" a page using "move", and the software didn't seem to be as clever as I expected it would be in changing the links pointing to the page. It seemed to leave behind lots of links for me to fix manually. Is that right, or did I screw up the "move" somehow? Pdfpdf 10:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Deleting an image
Dear Haukur, could you please delete Image:Kraka by Winge.jpg. I have uploaded a picture of higher quality to commons, and this one blocks the commons pic.--Berig 17:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :).--Berig 20:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Eszett
The Eszett, when unavailable, is substituted. In English, it is almost always never used. That is the point of the matter. Meißen = Meissen. Charles 16:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It is easily available to us here and we use it in the titles of many articles. Haukur 17:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The fact that it is easily available is irrelevant. Like I clearly said, in the line about yours, it is almost never used in English. Charles 21:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You keep shifting your argument. Haukur 21:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Shifting my argument? I don't even see an argument. I see what I am saying as common sense when it comes to English. Charles 22:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I recognize that after retreating from some of your previous claims you still have a perfectly reasonable argument for your position (substituting ss for ß everywhere). It is not, however, the only reasonable position, nor the one best in harmony with our current practice nor (at least not inarguably) the one best in harmony with our policies as written. Haukur 22:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't retreated from my claims, at least not intentionally. If you care to point such a thing out, I would be more than happy to re-address it and clarify. Regarding your comment about it not being the only reasonable position, you are right. However, for the most part, that is the position that is applied in English, especially when it concerns a city with an established English name. I would be interested in knowing which policies this practice is not in harmony with. Charles 22:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * My interpretation of the Use English policy, as I've gone through at some length. (I do recognize it's not the only possible interpretation.) Perhaps 'retreat' was a badly chosen word. I was just referring to our 'directly equivalent' discussion. Haukur 22:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Regarding directly equivalent: Are you referring to Masse and Maße? In that case, it is a matter of context. The same is true for words in English for which there is an identical spelling but a different pronunciation and meaning. In the case of the Eszett, I believe that is being specifically handled through the spelling reform. Charles 23:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Masse and Maße are two different German words, spelled differently and pronounced differently. They were not affected by the spelling reform. Haukur 23:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * However, where the Eszett is unavailable... Charles 23:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Then the two words are written the same but pronounced differently. Which is a bit annoying, especially for those learning the language. Haukur 23:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Lewis
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is:Þykkvabæjarklaustur
Hi Haukur,

This is a very short article, but if you translate it, I'll try to add a few things. Sigo 15:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Will reply on your page. Haukur 16:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. This is the best I can do for the moment. Sigo 00:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you cover the points that are of most interest to the general (French) reader, i.e. the literary activity in the monastery. Most of the rest that can be said has to do with internal Icelandic church politics (and is, thus, probably of little outside interest). Runólfr Sigmundsson was involved with bishop Árni Þorláksson in the efforts of the Church to wrestle control of local church property from the chieftains (the "staðamál"). Þorlákr Loptsson, abbot 1314-1350, was involved in the issues surrounding bishop Lárentíus Kálfsson. Sigurður Halldórsson, who became abbot ca. 1530, was a prominent ally of bishop Jón Arason in the struggle against the Reformation. I've added these facts to the Icelandic article along with the names of the other known abbots (some of them we know almost nothing about, the 15th century, in particular, is very sparsely documented in Iceland). Haukur 22:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Historia Norwegiae
Hi Haukur! Do you have access to an English translation of Historia Norwegiae?--Berig 20:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! I'd love to have his translation of Historia Norwegiae's version of Ynglingatal (I definately need to go to bed now, and I am going to Finland for a few days tomorrow, so it's no hurry).--Berig 23:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * PS, I'd be happy with the translation from Yngvi to Olof Tretelgja. I hope it is not too much of a text.--Berig 00:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not too long. I've typed up Yngvi to Haraldr hárfagri; will send it to you by e-mail. Have a nice trip! Haukur 01:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks !!! It's excellent. That was really kind of you!--Berig 05:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, wow! I have to say you certainly put it to good use :) Haukur 23:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you! I thought, I'd never get around to provide those translations in the articles :).--Berig 13:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocked
I have blocked the bot. It is editing hundreds of articles for the sole purpose of changing "till" to "until". While "until" may be preferable style in some cases, "till" is a valid English word which does not need indiscriminate replacement. While in most cases this will be a relatively harmless waste of resources, in some cases it introduces errors in direct quotes. See here for example: Haukur 23:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Haukur, I wish you'd left me a message before blocking my bot. I know the bot was replacing instances of till with until, it was entirely deliberate. My bot is completely supervised, so I was watching out for 'till' being used in direct quotes, and had added about 180 usages of "till" (out of 800) to my bot's exception list. I'm sorry I made a mistake with Sweyn I of Denmark, but it you'd left me a message, I'd have added it to my exception list immediately.


 * Also if you look at the recent edits in my contributions, you'd have seen that I stopped editing 15 minutes before you blocked me, and 'till->until' wasn't the only change I was making, it's just I happened to be focussing on articles with that word in it today, just like yesterday I was focussing on "aircrafts". Could you unblock me please? Cmdrjameson 00:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I've now found three more examples of changes to direct quotes, just by checking a sample of the bot's actions for the last two days. This is in addition to the error brought to your attention by Jasper33 above. This is not good and makes me wonder if the rest of the bot's till-to-until edits should be reverted indiscriminately since checking every case is time consuming. I appreciate that you've done some good work with the bot and that an error now and then is acceptable but your current error rate is unacceptable. You are only authorized to run a spellbot if you carefully check each proposed edit. Haukur 00:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. Since it's so error prone, I've removed till->until from my bot's rules. Cmdrjameson 00:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I'll unblock your bot. Please proceed with caution. Haukur 00:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Right. I'll go back and review all the till edits tomorrow, and revert any inappropriate ones. Thanks. Cmdrjameson 00:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The reason I was changing 'till' to 'until' is because 'till' isn't very formal. For similar reasons I added a rule for changing 'often times' to 'often' when it was suggested to me. The former is technically correct, but it isn't really the right tone for an encyclopedia. In hindsight, the difference is probably small enough not to be worth the bother. I'll stick to less controversial edits for now! CmdrObot 00:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The best of luck to you. Haukur 00:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Tammet
Thank you for your fixes and reverts to this article. I'm watching it, too, but am not so good on editing reverts yet. Your work is much appreciated. Bearian 02:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know, I was kind of getting second thoughts myself about this. Maybe the IP editor is honestly trying to improve the article. Haukur 09:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Erastes
Hi

I would like to change my entry from "user erastes" to Erastes as my first novel has been well-received, has been nominated for literary awards and I have sold 20 short stories. I'm now the Director of the Erotic Authors Association too.

I note that other authors with fewer writing credits than I, such as Alexander Chee have their own main space pages.

Kind regards

Erastes


 * I'll reply on your talk page. Haukur 11:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: My RfB
I responded to your question. Please tell me if you don't understand my response, as I have a complicated view on the matter and I don't think I worded it amazingly. --Deskana (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletions
Hi Haukur

No problem with the deletions. I was not aware of the relevant rules and regulations. Concerning Ohthere’s Sciringes heal(h) then the location has been a much debated issue since I published my article last year. This article is also available in printed form at many university libraries (ISBN 9979-70-116-1). Naturally I am not popular among scholars for my pioneering theories, but I work with facts, not Truths. Many high-ranking scholars have already accepted my main theory presented in the article in question. The old theory (Sciringes heal(h) in Vestfold) is practically dead among elite historians but there are strong forces that want to keep the theory alive. The reasons for this you understand if you read the article. Some of the main proponents of the old theory do, however, not believe in it anymore! As you have a great interest in the early history of the Icelandic nation then I recommend my two articles. You already have the links. The location of Sciringes heal(h) has some major relevancy for any discussion about the origin of the settlers of Iceland. I will contact you later on if I have any relevant information for you, which could be next autumn.

Sincerely

Einar Gunnar Birgisson Independent researcher born 1960 in Iceland


 * Thank you. I have nothing against your theories. The thing is just that Wikipedia tries to be conservative and in some cases must give prominence to dusty old theories while new theories are gaining ground in academia. Haukur 23:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/bureaucratship
I have reverted the page back, following your self reversion to avoid 3RR (though to be honest this looks a bit like vandalism so 3RR does not apply). In all good faith I find it unlikely to the extreme that a new account's very first edit would be to that page. Hopefully they will leave it alone, or to put it another way, they will put a sock in it.... :) Pedro | Chat  12:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Got to love "consensus!!!" crusaders reverting without discussion or any attempt at reaching a compromise. The SPA-part is just icing on the cake. Haukur 12:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You may be interested in this over at ANI. Pedro | Chat  15:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Gunnhild Ozursdattir
Started work on this article, and will add more later. If you're able and willing, I could use a hand with expansion, refs, etc. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I added a couple of interwiki-links to it and rigged up a few redirects, bringing in more links. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Gunnhild_Ozursdattir Haukur 23:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The article is now at Gunnhild Mother of Kings. I'm not crazy about this title, but nothing else seems to fit (since the sources don't even agree on whose daughter she was). In any case, it has been greatly expanded, including references to sources id'ing her as a daughter of Gorm. Interestingly, some genealogy websites suggest that Gunnhild Ozzur's daughter and Gunnhild Gorm's daughter were two different people, both wives of Erik Bloodax, but I've found no corroboration in any scholarly sources yet. I still need to expand the "later life" section, talk about her role during the rule of Harald II etc. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice work! Haukur 20:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Bureaucrat
Thanks for your comments. I am Wikipedia's newest bureaucrat. I will do my best to keep your concerns in mind as I perform my duties. Andre (talk) 09:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation of Lapland
In Huld, the word "Finland" is linked to the article "Lapland". Since Lapland is a disambiguation page, we need to find a solution. I suspect the link was created when "Lapland" was a regular article, which I believe was moved to Sápmi (area). How about writing a little note about Sami/Finns? (if that is the intention), instead of hiding information under a link. --Leo Laursen ( T | C ) 10:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think linking to a disambiguation page is necessarily a bad thing. In truth I'm not really sure what Heimskringla means when it says "Finnland" but I don't think Finland is a good match for it. We're using a 19th century translation here which sometimes leads to problems. Try asking User:Berig. Haukur 10:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:IAR 2
Your latest version seems fine to me. Haukur 21:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool! I just tweaked the wording again, so I hope that it's still okay.  —David Levy 22:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Certainly, that's good too! Haukur 01:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to hear it! It would be nice if we could finally settle the wording dispute.  —David Levy 01:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion welcome at deletion review for Plot of Les Mis
After Articles for deletion/Plot of Les Misérables closed as a deletion, I'm challenging the way the closing administrator acted as in violation of Wikipedia rules. Your participation is welcome at that discussion, Deletion review/Log/2007 July 14. Please keep in mind that only arguments related to either new information or to how Wikipedia rules were violated or not violated in closing the discussion will be considered. It isn't a replay of the original AfD. I'm familiar with WP:CANVASSING and I am alerting everyone who participated in that discussion to the deletion review. I won't contact anyone again on this topic, and I apologize if you consider this note distracting. Noroton 04:59, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Vadalism
This User User:Lucky number 49 has been deleting informations on this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freyja&diff=141790268&oldid=141721684

Freyja er tignust með Frigg. Hon giftist þeim manni, er Óðr heitir. Dóttir þeira er Hnoss. Hon er svá fögr, at af hennar nafni eru hnossir kallaðar, þat er fagrt er ok gersimligt. Óðr fór í braut langar leiðir, en Freyja grætr eftir, en tár hennar er gull rautt. Freyja á mörg nöfn, en sú er sök til þess, at hon gaf sér ýmis heiti, er hon fór með ókunnum þjóðum at leita Óðs. Hon heitir Mardöll ok Hörn, Gefn, Sýr. Freyja átti Brísingamen. Hon er ok kölluð Vanadís. + ::Gylfaginning, Eysteinn Björnsson's edition

Freyja is most gently born (together with Frigg): she is wedded to the man named Ódr. Their daughter is Hnoss: she is so fair, that those things which are fair and precious are called hnossir. Ódr went away on long journeys, and Freyja weeps for him, and her tears are red gold. Freyja has many names, and this is the cause thereof: that she gave herself sundry names, when she went out among unknown peoples seeking Ódr: she is called Mardöll and Hörn, Gefn, Sýr. Freyja had the necklace Brísinga-men. She is also called Lady of the Vanir. + ::Gylfaginning, Brodeur's translation

He deleted a whole paragraph above and its translation; and seems to be using that page as his own homepage. What are you admins doing?

Lolita Goth 09:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Help me out with the Icelandic exonyms
Dear Haukur, Can you help me with the Icelandic exonyms? I addded a few like Peituborg (Poitiers), but they don't fit into the frame, I did something wrong and I don't know what. I don't understand html language. Can you fix it? Jökullind Fanndís Bergelmisdóttir 22:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The solution is not obvious to me - this table code is a bit arcane. I guess you'll just have to experiment a bit more, you did certainly manage to add some. Your examples are interesting though perhaps it would be worthwhile to make notes on which names are in common usage (e.g. Versalir) and which are not (e.g. Þuslþorp). Haukur 00:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Heimdallr
I still think Heimdallr means "home dale". (Aren't Þræl and Þræll the same word despite the variable second 'l'?) but I can't prove it beyond an obvious suspicion, so I won't fault you for your revert. What I would like is your opinion of the following Cleasby/Viguffson entry:


 * DALLR, m. a small tub, esp. for milk or curds; bæði byttur og dallar Lars951 23:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "Þræll" is the nominative singular form while "þræl" is the accusative singular form. The dictionary is certainly correct but the second part of the name Heimdallr is not generally assumed to be this word but from a root meaning "bright". Haukur 00:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Featured_article_candidates/Gunnhild_Mother_of_Kings
Since you worked on this article, I thought it would interest you to know that it is up for FA status. Your comments would be most welcome. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Gunnhild
Your criticisms are well taken, though my format of citation is similar to that used in many reference works (see, for example, any of the books of William Ian Miller.) I was not aware that there were significant differences in the numbering of chapters between editions. Would you be willing to help me change. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 00:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

'baegslit'
hello Haukur -- maybe you can help me with this one? --dab (𒁳) 07:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * X is the key :) Haukur 09:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks! De Vries has bœxl -- I guess I would have had to read the entire letter b to find that... Also, thanks for the pointer to the digitized Cleasby-Vigfusson. dab (𒁳) 11:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, any time. I can help you translate more of the text if you'd like. Haukur 11:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * well, what do you make of posa kellingar? I figured out that kellingar is for kerlingar, but it has a bewildering varieties of meanings, and I am not sure if this is really about an old woman (that's a wild guess from entrenched fairy-tale plots). Is posa really a bag? Google suggests that in Modern Icelandic, there's a posa meaning "pose" (an obvious loan). dab (𒁳) 12:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You were right on the money with "the old woman's bag", /rl/ > /ll/ is a common change. Posi is the nominative form. Pósa is indeed a recent loanword. Posi is also a new coinage for "Point of sale device". Haukur 12:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * of course, I see. I didn't pay attention to the syntax just now. I think I have more or less understood the text now, thanks again. dab (𒁳) 12:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hin, in, etc.
Hi Haukur. I wonder if you could tell me which form is "normalized" in Old Norse spelling. Logically hin should be the original and most "correct" form since it still exists in some expressions in modern Swedish, such as hin håle, the evil one. However, when looking at the names of some poems in the poetic edda, it seems to vary between hin and in. Which one should we use?--Berig 07:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's tricky. in, or en which is also frequently used in normalized texts, seems to be older but hin is clearly also quite old. Different editors have different tastes when it comes to normalizing. I think in is probably most common in normalizations of 13th century Icelandic texts. Haukur 20:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! BTW, you might be interested in/have opinions about my last contribution to List of names of Odin.--Berig 20:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

"Since she kindly mentions us"
Really? :) What does she say? Haukur 20:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * She gives a list of websites in the bibliography and she eventually adds:
 * "and of course, the entry in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology"
 * But the websites section begins with "I cannot vouch for the content's accuracy or political correctness"...
 * Sigo 22:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Axelsson
He's notable and the article makes that pretty clear: whew, thanks for the sanity check!

I think I'll pause now, I've been doing this the expensive way, via modem (and a mounting phone bill).

No need to reply, but if you'd particularly like to do so, please do so here. I hate pingpong discussions. -- Hoary 00:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Not much more to say, really. Kudos on your work on the article. And, yes, the guys is fairly well known - and from what I gather from you, not just over here. Haukur 00:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I heard of him via a rave review in one of the message forums of photo.net. Then I looked him up, liked what I saw, sent email to edda.is, and bought the book. (Previously I'd never received so much as a postcard from Iceland, so it's arrival was an exciting event.) Just one thing, though, if I could trouble you for five more minutes. What's the nature of this book? Not knowing any Icelandic, I wonder if it might have text by Ólafsson and photos by Axelsson and others, or have photos by Ólafsson and essays by Axelsson and others, or something entirely different. (For that matter, a translation of the title -- not to replace the Icelandic within the article, of course, but just to supplement/gloss it -- would be of interest as well.) Many thanks. Hoary 01:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, the text is by Guðmundur Páll and the photos are by Friðþjófur, Jóhann and Ragnar. The title is hard to translate; something like "Through the vastness near Snæfell" (the second Snæfell on that disambiguation page). The book documents an area going under water because of the Kárahnjúkar Hydropower Project. I don't know exactly how picture-heavy the book is - some sort of photographic essay, I guess. Haukur 01:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I'll attend to that a couple of hours from now. (In the meantime, I really must wash, shave, etc etc.) -- Hoary 01:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Gunnhild
On the contrary, I quite appreciate the input. I intend to make the changes you recommend eventually, regardless of what happens on FAC. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Occupation of Iceland
Concerning: "You seem to have taken text from http://stonebooks.com/history/iceland.shtml verbatim and put it into the Occupation of Iceland article. This would seem to be a copyright violation. Unless you can explain it some other way I will have to delete the article. Haukur 19:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC),"  please feel free to delete away. I could spend some time on the subject, find some alternative sources, and re-write it. But I just saw an "open link" and filled it. I probably should have left it alone. The only thing that intrigued me about the whole subject was what the "occupation of Iceland" was called. Most sources appear to agree that the "invasion" was Operation Fork. But the "occupation" is identified in Wikipedia as Operation Alabaster and Operation White Falcon. Neither name appears to be supported. I will leave this subject to you and I wish you well. Mkpumphrey 14:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Genitive case in Old Norse names
Can you help me out with this? I understand that the rules are not as simple as I once thought. My current understanding is:
 * Standard is to add "s" - Olaf becomes Olafs
 * When the name ends in n, d, or r - add "ar" - thus Ozur becomes Ozurar, or Gunnhild becomes Gunnhildar
 * When the name ends in i, the i is dropped and an "a" added - Tryggvi becomes Tryggva
 * when the name ends in a, the a is dropped and a "u" added - Sturla becomes Sturlu

Am I way off-base? Are there additional rules I don't know about? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 14:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You're on the right track but it's not quite so simple. I think the i > a and a > u rules are about foolproof (noting that the u-ending also triggers u mutation; e.g. "Þorgils Hölluson" (son of Halla)) but the others are not. Here are some examples, most but not all of which fit your rules:


 * Baldr - Baldrs
 * Óláfr - Óláfs
 * Eiríkr - Eiríks
 * Kári - Kára
 * Þórðr - Þórðar
 * Hjörtr - Hjartar (the vowel change has to do with "breaking" and u-mutation)
 * Hámundr - Hámundar
 * Ögmundr - Ögmundar
 * Haukr - Hauks
 * Lóðurr - Lóðurs
 * Özurr - Özurar
 * Hákon - Hákonar

Feminine names that don't end in 'a' typically take an 'ar' ending; Gunnhildarsynir, Eilífr Guðrúnarson (son of Guðrún). Some names even have two genitives in use, we have e.g. Jón Trausti Sigurðarson and Jón Sigurðsson. Haukur 15:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

My head is spinning a bit. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sometimes you can check the dictionary. For example this page gives the genitive of Björg, Björk and Björn: Haukur 15:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't suppose you've found any sources with a more complete listing of names and genitive forms, have you? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Russia
Please note that the person that added all those tags was also working on fixing all the tags. Danny did more then 80 citations. I'm sure he tagged some stuff wrongly, but don't remove all of them, remove just the ones that are badly tagged. (This article had only 4 inline citations as of a week ago) ——  Eagle 101 Need help? 18:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's unreadable like this. If someone is working on adding citations for every one of those tags and wants a copy of the article with them in then the best place to do that would be in a copy of the article in user space. Haukur 18:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
I've just unprotected this article. I never received any response from med com, so they can't be too concerned. - auburn pilot   talk  02:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for being so thorough in following this up. I hope we can get some useful editing done now. Haukur 02:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

We don't capitalize headers, I think
No we don't! Thanks! Stephen Kirragetalk - contribs 17:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Baden-Powell photo
I noticed you changed the copyright info of the Baden-Powell image that's on the front page. I agreed with your assessment and nominated it for deletion on the Wikimedia Commons, in case you would be interested in. --Tom (talk - email) 19:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Relevency
"If the website or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source for the article, and citing it." InternetHero 18:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes but "using it as a source for the article, and citing it" is not the same as copying text from it. Have you been doing stuff like this on many articles? If so, then we need to clean it up elsewhere too. Haukur 19:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought you aren't supposed to put your opinion on matters. All the same, I shall clean them up myself. InternetHero 19:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Advice about when a disambiguation tag may be warranted
Hi Haukur, I am in a disagreement with a new user about when a disambiguation tag may be useful. Pershaps, you have an opinion in the issue.--Berig 17:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

That street in Berlin
Really, Haukur, I see you have been keeping bad company; start a strightforward move request. What with all the moves Stremonitis has been doing, it may get consensus. If so, so be it; if not, so what? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't care where the street is. I do care that admins don't force their will on other editors. Haukur 22:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. In this case, however, it's put a dispute between two groups of editors (and I'm part of one) in a condition where it has to be settled by discussion, instead of by move-war. That's not all bad. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't really believe in protection as a mean of bringing about a productive discussion. It usually leaves one side bitter and frustrated and the other with no incentive to negotiate. Haukur 23:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Alll they need do is file at WP:RM, as they should have done to begin with. I'll argue for my view; but that's only fair. If the move protection is used to interfere with closing (even by Stremonitis, who has a PoV here), then I'll join you in complaining. And in this case, their advantage is all the other streets in Berlin, which I see Stremonitis has been moving. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've said my piece, I've nothing more to add. The representation of the name of a single article is not a big deal, to be sure, but I do have strong feelings on what is and what isn't appropriate use of admin tools. Haukur 01:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'm not sure what more I can say. I agree in principle, and would prefer: that the page were unprotected and ProhibitOnions would leave it alone until there was consensus to move it; but I don't think that's going to happen. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Elonka 2
Thank you for your support in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Wikipedia project, and I'll try again in a few months! If you ever have any questions or suggestions for me, please don't hesitate to contact me. Best wishes, --Elonka 02:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)