User talk:Hawkgirl5280

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Welcome to Wikipedia, JayDoc FHC! I have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on or by typing helpme at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Oh yeah, I almost forgot, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 07:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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Speedy deletions
Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself. Please use the template on the page instead if you disagree with the deletion, and make your case on the page's. 76.102.12.35 (talk) 04:46, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Please stop removing speedy deletion notices from pages that you have created yourself. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. 76.102.12.35 (talk) 04:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Apologies - I didn't remove the notice, I just moved it to the bottom of the page and changed the (dbspam) to (hangon).

The intent of the page is not to promote the JayDoc Free Clinic, only to describe what JayRock Benefit Concert is benefiting. Please let me know what changes can be made for this page to remain on wikipedia.

Thank you JayDoc FHC (talk) 04:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Stop mucking about with the Deletion tag. Oh, and you have a conflict of interest and shouldn't be editing about your organization anyway.

You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to No original research, Neutral point of view, and Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.)  76.102.12.35 (talk) 05:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

My sincere apologies for once again moving the deletion tag, but I would like to resolve this deletion issue and this seems to be the best way to get your attention. There is no conflict of interest as I am unaffiliated with JayDoc Free Clinic. Even so, it is a 501c3 Non-profit organization. No one stands to benefit financially from this entry. Please let me know what I can do to this entry to get the deletion tag removed. Thanks JayDoc FHC (talk) 06:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

You could start by reading the links contained in all the notices you've received. I really don't think you have given your history of removing the one that states "don't remove from articles you've created." 76.102.12.35 (talk) 06:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi JayDoc, and welcome to Wikipedia. Do you have any particular questions to go along with your helpme request? If so, feel free to ask them here. Otherwise, if you're simply trying to get help with the page in question, you should try using the article's talk page for discussion of the article. That way, contributors can discuss the content there and administrators can review you reasoning behind why you think the article should not be deleted. Thanks for your contributions, and welcome! -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 07:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

February 2010
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, JayDoc FHC, may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because Please note usernames should represent you as an individual, not an organization. Your dicussions here seem to show that your name represents or is similar to an organization, the "JayDoc Free Clinic". Accordingly, you should have your username changed to represent yourself.. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may file for a change of username, or you may simply create a new account and use that for editing. Thank you. Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 07:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Shirik, thank you for welcoming me to wikipedia. I am trying to get the deletion notice removed from the page I created: JayRock. There was a miscommunication with an administrator regarding the deletion notice, and the accusation of both promotion and a conflict of interest. Neither of these reasons for deletion are valid (see the explanation below and on the JayRock talk page). I am also in the process of changing my username so as to further avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. Please let me know what can be done to have the deletion tag removed. Thank you!

With regard to the speedy deletion, the first (and only) removal was accidental. I misunderstood the instructions for challenging the deletion. The subsequent moving (not removal) of the deletion was in an effort to gain administrative attention. Again, apologies.

In response to the conflict of interest, I am not affiliated with JayDoc Free Clinic or JayRock Benefit Concert. In addition, JayDoc Free Clinic is a 501c3 non-profit organization. No one stands to benefit from this encyclopedic entry. There is no opportunity for financial (or any other) gain by creating this page and/or describing the association with JayDoc Free Clinic. I fully support the deletion policy for articles made about oneself and agree that independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. That is what is going on here - the site for the organization is listed for verification purposes.

Regardless, I believe the JayDoc Free Clinic and JayRock to be "notable" organizations/events. According to the general notability guidelines:

If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.

The following independent and reliable media sources have covered JayDoc/JayRock: http://blogs.pitch.com/wayward/2009/02/concert_review_republic_tigers.php http://www2.kumc.edu/publications/centerexpress/020509.pdf http://www.kckpl.lib.ks.us/wycohelp/wycohelp.htm?id=386 http://blogs.pitch.com/wayward/2010/01/dead_girls_not_playing_radio_city_release_show.php http://www.lawrence.com/events/2010/feb/01/37024/

With regard to its fame, importance, and popularity, JayDoc Free Clinic provides healthcare free of charge to one of Kansas City's most indigent regions. It is a safety net clinic that is entirely run by medical students.

In addition, wikipedia already has similar entries: the UCSD Student-Run Free Clinic Project http://www.kckpl.lib.ks.us/wycohelp/wycohelp.htm?id=386, the Berkeley Free Clinic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Free_Clinic, and the University of Kentucky Salvation Army Clinic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kentucky_Salvation_Army_Clinic just to name a few.

Hopefully this helps in the removal of the deletion tag from this worthy encyclopedic entry. Please let me know what further course of action to take. Thank you JayDoc FHC (talk) 07:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi JayDoc. This information is good. You should post this same information at Talk:JayRock so that the reviewing administrator can see the evidence here. This will ensure that, before the page is deleted, the administrator has a chance to see your justification for why it shouldn't be deleted. I feel that I'm too involved right now to choose either side, myself, but it seems like you're genuinely here not to promote an entity but to create a useful, encyclopedic article, and for that you are to be commended. Posting this information on Talk:JayRock will help others help you in getting the article to a high quality standard. Regards -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 07:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Shirik, thank you so much for your help in this matter. I fully appreciate it. As a final question, do you know how long the administrative review process will take? Thanks JayDoc FHC (talk) 07:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * By definition, the speedy deletion process is quite literally that: speedy. It happens as quickly as possible. However, because as all administrators are volunteers, it can take time for it to be reviewed. Sometimes this happens in minutes, and sometimes it takes hours. Unfortunately, I cannot give you a reasonable estimate for it. However, I have left a recommendation on that page that, if the administrator feels it needs work before it can become an article, instead to copy it to something known as your userspace where you can work on the article and then move it back when concerns have been addressed. Whether or not that will be done is not up to me; only time can tell. Sorry I couldn't give you a more concrete answer. Regards, -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 07:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of JayDoc Free Clinic


A tag has been placed on JayDoc Free Clinic, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of JayDoc Free Clinic and leave a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Woogee (talk) 06:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of JayRock


A tag has been placed on JayRock, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of JayRock and leave a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Woogee (talk) 06:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)