User talk:Hc9796

Photos
Just to be clear, the number one thing that our photos have to be is licensed under a free copyright model, such as GFDL or Creative Commons. You can't just grab any photo of Joyce Murray that you can find on the web, and upload it here by calling it GFDL or Creative Commons — we have to follow copyright rules, which means that if we can find any indication that any given photo of her has preexisting copyrights on it, we have to delete it.

Conversely, it is not one of our rules that a photo of her used on here necessarily has to be recent. It has to be of her, it has to be correctly composed (i.e. focusing on her and not just having her in the background of an image where she isn't the main focus) and it has to be under the correct type of copyright, but other than that we have no rules about how new or old it has to be.

I'm assuming that you're probably a member of Joyce Murray's staff, either in Ottawa or in her riding — so please be assured that we are willing to update photos, if new ones can be provided that follow all of our rules. If somebody's willing to take a new, properly composed photo of her that they're willing to release under GFDL or Creative Commons, then we can use that — but we can't freely use just any photograph of her that you might be able to find. If a photo doesn't focus on her in the correct way and/or has preexisting copyrights on it, we can't use it — a new replacement photo has to follow our rules, not Joyce Murray's own personal preferences. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Hc9796 (talk) 19:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bearcat, thanks for taking the time to share this with me. I am indeed a member of Minister Murray's team. The rights to the photos I've uploaded are owned by the office. With that information, it's my understanding that everything meets your criteria. If not, please explain how the photos I've uploaded, particularly the second (one with the Indigenous pattern shirt) does not meet your criteria. Thank you!
 * It's a question of being able to prove that you're the rightful holder of the copyright — it's not enough to just say you are, because we've gotten caught in a lot of cases where people said they were the photographer and copyright holder on a photograph, but were actually lying and nearly got us sued. It's incredibly easy for just anybody to reupload any photo they can find on a Google Image search, while actually misrepresenting the copyrights on it — so we have to be extremely careful and almost dictatorially strict about copyright issues, even if only to cover our own butts.
 * If a photo is clearly original, in that it was uploaded to Wikipedia first and has never appeared on any other website prior to being added here, then we assume good faith — but if there's any evidence whatsoever that the photo has ever appeared on another website before being added here, then you have to clear a much higher burden of proof that you're actually the true holder of the copyright on it, by filing proof through the WP:OTRS system.
 * Again, we're not being difficult just to be mean to Joyce Murray or other article subjects — we have to be strict about this to protect ourselves, because we can get into deep legal guano if we make any sort of copyright mistakes. So you would need to either upload a brand new photo of Joyce that has never before appeared on any other website, or file an OTRS to prove that you're actually the rightful copyright holder if you want to actually use a photo that's ever been used elsewhere. Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 14:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Hc9796 (talk) 16:41, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bearcat, I completely understand that you're just trying to do your job. I've read the WP:OTRS link you attached. Excuse me, but I don't understand from that link what evidence I or my office can provide to you that proves we're the owners of the photos? Could you please point me in the right direction. Thank you!

Hc9796 (talk) 16:37, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bearcat, following up. Please let me know when you get a chance. Appreciate your help with this.
 * I'm not personally involved in the OTRS team at all, so I don't know what to tell you. Please contact them directly to ask what they need. Bearcat (talk) 17:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

17:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)Hc9796 (talk)

Hi Bearcat, I believe a mistake was made for the latest photo's removal. Wikipedia was the only place that I'm aware of where we've posted that particular picture.