User talk:Hcberkowitz/Sandbox-IntWarCrim

This article overall has a lot of good and interesting information in it, and good commentary on it, too -- as per usual with your contribs!

As far as a name for it, I would only suggest that its name clearly reflect that it is about post-WWII/early-Cold War involvement by U.S. intelligence with war criminals, etc. In other words, it is NOT about any subsequent "moral lapses" (whether involvement with "shady characters" or in whatever other ways) that the intelligence community may have gotten itself into later, long after WWII -- it is just about what has been coming to light recently concerning that immediate post-war period.

So maybe something like, "U.S. Intelligence involvement with German and Japanese War Criminals after World War II" -- a somewhat cumbersome title, though I think being about that specific about it is necessary here.

Anyway, I guess that'd be my two cents on this! Great work, though!

Regards — Wi ki sc ie nt  — 23:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Timing is different for Japan
While the problematic things with the Nazis started right after the war and involved many more individuals than with the Japanese, with one notable exception, questionable Japanese involvement with intelligence, had a very different pattern.

At first, I only knew about one Japanese who bought immunity was LTG Ishii, against whom Mengele was only an apprentice monster. Digging into documents, however, It appears that far fewer Japanese war criminals were involved, but at much higher (cabinet) level, usually served some prison time, and then started clandestine collaboration after release -- perhaps early release.

In other words, you are quite right that the critical period with the Germans was perhaps 1945-1956, with the paramilitaries shutting down by 1952. I'm still trying to get my arms around the topic, but it seems as if the direct clandestine involvement with the Japanese didn't start until much later.

While it probably still makes sense to have one article, such things as the need to work with European allies, and the immediate threat of the Soviets at the border, made a much different dynamic than with the Japanese, whose help was needed during the fifties and into the Vietnam War. Rather than paramilitaries, the cooperation would involve basing rights and such, definitely involved the DCI level, and possibly the President. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 00:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)